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Very true.Delfador said:I love these kind of discussions. It just shows you which people you should ignore and don't even care what they have to say about the game or balance or fun whatever.
All these people talk like they want the game to be competitive e-sports level.
Yet they always defend their strategy of camping 1 guy out of the game then using NOED to clean up the rest.
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Again...DarthPancake said:@The_Crusader said:
Lol the other day we had a camping killerm so we all stood in exit gates as long as possibke tbagging. The killer acted like we were rhe bad guys for rhat after the game
the nerve of some people.I've also caused hatch standoffs against camping killers. Well cant really cause it as a survivor but I'll wait a hatch and get their attention and they'll always take the bait. Its so easy to win as survivor, you can just browse the internet on your phone, and ifnyou hear your character get hit through earphones you just press a button. Killer has to have hand on mouse at all times. Its funny because you glance up and can see they're getting restless. Even had one guy disconnect on me. But again before anyone tries to call me the bad guy - I never forced a hatch standoff, they accepted it. They had every opportunity to just hit me and lose.
So yeah, play toxic and I'll be toxic in return.
Camping is unfortunately a valid way to play the game for some people as annoying as it is,you shouldnt be a little turd like this in retailiation.
Camping someone and ruining the game for them = perfrctly fine
Standing at the exit gates pressing the crouch button a few times = OMG DEVS FIX PLZ THIS IS SOOO UNFAIR!!!
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Because killers dont do that?Boss said:@ConsoleNurse said:
IF KILLER CAMP MY FRIENDS, I WILL TAKE THE GAME HOSTAGE NO MATTER WHAT"If Killer plays in a way i don't like, i'll break the rules."
Enjoy your ban.
You looped me/tbagged me/sabotaged a hook....get blocked in the basement lolz -
Lmao you're full of crap saying ive defended anything survivor related.EntityDispleased said:
Sure you can hold the game hostage as survivor. I had a game where I killed 3 people with 5 gens left and the last guy was a green top Claudette with urban evasion on autohaven. He kept sneaking around for 20 minutes, did absolutely [BAD WORD] all but waste my time and be a dick. Also had a brown top Claudette on grim pantry, kept sneaking around like a moron for 10-20 minutes, then when I call him out for being an absolute knobhead all he says is "that's what you deserveThe_Crusader said:
Oh here you are defending camping yet again.Orion said:@The_Crusader said:
Lol the other day we had a camping killerm so we all stood in exit gates as long as possibke tbagging. The killer acted like we were rhe bad guys for rhat after the game the nerve of some people.I've also caused hatch standoffs against camping killers. Well cant really cause it as a survivor but I'll wait a hatch and get their attention and they'll always take the bait. Its so easy to win as survivor, you can just browse the internet on your phone, and ifnyou hear your character get hit through earphones you just press a button. Killer has to have hand on mouse at all times. Its funny because you glance up and can see they're getting restless. Even had one guy disconnect on me. But again before anyone tries to call me the bad guy - I never forced a hatch standoff, they accepted it. They had every opportunity to just hit me and lose.
So yeah, play toxic and I'll be toxic in return.
You were the bad guy in every one of those scenarios, just like the OP. Camping is an intended strategy, holding the game hostage is not. Good job on proving that you are bad for the community.
Survivors can't hold the game hostage genius. Killer sees me at the hatch? Just hit and I jump out. I OFFERED a hatch standoff, they never had to accept it.
As for the exit gate thing it didn't last long. Killer came over and hit us and we went out. You can't really hold the game hostage as survivor.
So no, we're not the toxic ones. You can't tell other people how to play and have fun. Maybe I want to be chased out for those few extra points? Maybe I want to stay in the game a while longer for more points? Especially since you don't get many against a camping killer since you lose benevolence and evader pointsm
I like how even the most toxic of all killers are always innocent in your eyes. They can never do no wrong. No they're the toxic ones and people lile you who defend every scummy thing in the game are bad for the community.
"But but only the killer is allowed to be toxic!!!"
Lmao give me a break.
". If they would've not made the mistake of showing themselves to me it could've gone on for hours.
If anything, survivors are more likely to hold the game hostage in most cases. But then again I've seen you defend anything and everything survivor related so I doubt you'll have it in you to process anything I've said about survivors being able to hold games hostage.
Ok you gave a good example I gave you that. I dont know why anyone would do that.
But thats a 5 gens remaining thing. I was thinking about post game.
Remember all of this is in reaction to CAMPING killers. Guess what? If the killer camps then at least 2 gens are getting done even if I do it myself.
With 5 gens to go the survivors were toxic cus im assuming the killer didnt camp. If they did csmp anf none of them did a single gen I dont know what to say. -
Here's a tip - selfcare sucks.
Post heal change and when 90% of killers are applying the mangled effect it takes too long to be useful.
People only bring it out of habit.
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And that I can agree with. OoO in a 4 man need to be quickly kicked out of the game because they're compromising yohr position at every turn.The_Daydreamer said:Uff, that topic is dangerous.
I just want to say a few things as I play mostly killer at the time even tho I am more a survivor-player.
I can really understand that camping can be annoying. But it depends on the situation. So please don't overall tell anyone that "camping" is the worst.Most of the time I face ultra altruistic survivors. Many of them just want their stacks or anything like that. So tell me why should I completely leave that Area, if they rush to the hook? It wouldn't be smart. If I dont see anyone I leave the hooked person.
But everytime I see one or two persons near the hook or a OoO-Survivors trys to bait me away I start to camp.And I face DS and instaheals all the time. The survivors doesnt give a damn about the killers fun. So I dont care either about them and just do whatever is right in my opinion depending on the situation.
And about hatch standoff: Come on people - If thats the last person just stop acting like a greedy victim and give that person the hatch.
But if the exit gates are open and the survivor is damn greedy and stands their for an hour, then record that match and send it to the support.People needs to stop acting like everyone has to follow any kind of rule.
Survivors gonna play like they want to and killers do the same.
Im not an angle. If I see someone uses DS or OoO I am instantly triggered and play like a dick against that people even tho its ultra childish. But for me that perks are ruining my fun. The same with people that ignore my presence and farm the survivor of the hook. I facecamp that farming dick.
But thats the problem of some players. Their are rules outwhere that doesnt should exist.I hope we can all improve our attitude and play style.
Also rushing unhooks...if I think its solo players and they unhook right in front of me then I punish whoever unhooked. Because I know how it feels to be farmed and its why a lot of people rage quit.
If its a 4 man though and you can tell because they all have clan names then I sturn around and go for any of them. To me the hook buys you a little bit of time. If they're going to unhook ehne I've only walked 10 metres away then yeah that needs to be punished because the quick unhooks are getting the survivors back on gens too fast.
What ive been talking about is killers who lut survivors on hooks and then just sit there until that survivor is dead. Many of them dont even care, rhey just want their daily. Thats not about rusbing unhooks its about ruining the game for others or being too lazy to play any other way. -
- Killer puts survvior on hookOrion said:@The_Crusader said:
I love how on this forum...If a survivor tbags, you camp them and it's perfectly ok. ( And I agree with that, I've camped a tbagger before).
But if a killer camps and survivors tbag in return its MODS BAN PLZ!!! THIS IS SOO TOXIC!!
The fact that you can't see the hypocrisy is really worrying.
Sweetie, we're discussing holding the game hostage. Were you confused?
You don't know DbD's history or how camping became a problem, so you lack the necessary context for understanding why the blame lies solely with the Survivors.
- Killer stands next to hook for a few minutes
- ITZ THE SURVIV0RZ GUYS!!! THEY MADE ME DO IT!!!!
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I love how on this forum...
If a survivor tbags, you camp them and it's perfectly ok. ( And I agree with that, I've camped a tbagger before).
But if a killer camps and survivors tbag in return its MODS BAN PLZ!!! THIS IS SOO TOXIC!!
The fact that you can't see the hypocrisy is really worrying.
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Actually no, people like you are the reason why there's such a huge war between the survivor and killer community.Mister_xD said:@The_Crusader said:
Mister_xD said:@The_Crusader said:
Orion said:
@The_Crusader said: I can take the hatch without killer knowing - or I give the killer a chance to win s hatch standoff. Seems I'm actually doing them a favour.
And I'd argue its killers who hold the game hostage. When they canp nobody gets any meaningful points. Its denying the other players a proper game.
Stop defending crappy behaviour. Losing points for staying near the hook, borrowed time changes...you think you'd accept that it's not the intended way to play by now. The Killer cannot win the hatch standoff and you know it. Stop pretending you're not being toxic. Camped Survivors eventually die. That's not holding the game hostage. I hope you didn't buy any DLC, because when bans come out on console, you'll definitely be on the chopping block. The killer CAN win a hatch standoff. I've won it before. I could take the hatch and get away - offer the killer a chance to grab me. I'm actually doing them a favour. Again they could end it at ANY TIME by hitting me, THEY choose to stand there. Standing in exit gates - again all they have to do is walk up and whack the survivor. Not hard at all. None of that is holding the game hostage at all. We've been over the exit gates thing before. None of this is holding the game hostage like say blocking the basement stairs bevause the killer can easily stop it at any time. So no, there won't be a ban my friend.
Enjoy the new borrowed time btw
I'll be bringing it every game. You're going to have to work harder for your camps.people like you are the reason why so many see the term "survivor main" as something negative.
i will stick with @Orion in this one. You were toxic and you knew it, yet you are trying to find approval by posting this on the forums.
no one likes ppl who do this #########, deal with that.
Ok lets review what I said...
Stand at exit gates - killer walks over and hits survivor out = OH NO HE WASTED 20-30 SECONDS OF MY TIME!!! SOMEONE CALL TEH POLIC3!!!
Stand at hatch - killer can walk over and hit survivor at anytime to force an escape - killer CHOOSES to stand there for 10 mins - HE FORCED ME INTO IT GUYZ!! HE USED THE JEDI MIND POWERS!!
People like you, orion and all the killer mains here are the problem with this community. You give "killer mains" a negative meaning. You think its perfectly acceptable to ruin the game for other people then you turn around and act like such snowflakes if the survivor forces you to chase then out of the exit gate.
Standing at the hook and forcing someones game to be over 40 seconds in, ensuring they depip and have wasted their escape cake = Perfectly acceptable.
Having to take an extra 20 seconds to walk over to the exit gate to hit a survivor out = COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE! BHVR BAN PLZ!!
lmfao give me a break. You lot are so entitled.
alright:
no one likey ppl who stay at the exit gate, teabagging the killer. however, i would just love to see BW activate and kick your a**.
also, a hatch standoff is called "taking the game hostage", especially if you do that on purpose. dont act like it was the killers decision to start the standoff, if you could have easily made it out by now, but rather decided to teabag him on top of the hatch. i myself can not wait for the upcoming hatch changes, where this wont be possible anymore. jump in early or witness the killer shutting the hatch under your feet and then kill you.
besides that, yes, that killer didnt want you to escape. however, you chose to stay there just as much as the killer did by not giving the standoff up, but instead sitting there, waiting until he hits you. and btw, i would probaply also start a standoff when you did nothing but pissing me off the whole game.face reality, kid! you are a toxic little ***** and no one likes you and your playstyle.
people like you are the reason of why there is such a huge war between the killer and survivor community in the first place, so do me a favor and delete your DbD account, thank you very much.
i do not want players like you in my game.
I love how you say "nothing but piss me off the whole game". - WE DID NOTHING WRONG!!
Thats the point. Many of us survivors don't tbag, we don't sabo hooks etc etc but people like you facecamp people out of the game. Then act shocked when we start tbagging in return.
I said I only tbag AFTER the killer starts camping. They start the toxic behaviour.
And you know what I do if I walk to the hatch and see a survivor on it? I hit them. Takes me 2 seconds and I save myself 10 minutes. Shocking concept I know.
Anyway im done with you. Like all killer mains here you think its fine for killers to play toxic and then start verbally insulting me by calling me a "toxic little ****" just because we get revenge. You are so entitled and petty. -
Petty much? I see I triggered you in the other thread and now you come here to call names.Mister_xD said:@The_Crusader said:
Yeah whatever. You have such double standards it's ridiculous and think the entire game should be about the killer and what they want from a game.you have never really played killer, have you?
cuz right now, you seem exactly like a little 12 year old OchiDO fanboy who gives a ######### about balance and just wants to bully killers until they DC.
honestly, people like you are a shame for the whole community.
I exclusively play killer at this point. I play killer a lot. I'm aware that not everything is perfect and survivors can be toxic little sods at times but that doesn't excuse the extremely toxic killer sided attitude this forum has.
Daring to stand up for survivors here gets you so much abuse it's ridiculous.
I never "bully" killers. I only annoy those who camp. You seem like one of those killers who wants to bully survivors. Put them on the hook and then stand there whacking them for 2 mins - I bet you think thats a "lEgIt StRaTeGy" -
The killer can still do something about it.powerbats said:@The_Crusader said:
So again tell me how survivors can hold the game hostage without cheating? Because off the top of my head I can't think of anything.
You can basically play hide and seek and if there's more than 1 person doing it with say bond in both exit gates you can easily do it. If the killer doesn't have NOED or it's not permanent Evil III Myers they can just sit safely inside or near the exit gates.
The sneakiest person and also probably the one wIth SB/UE/Fleet Footwork and w/e perks helps can roam the map always hiding from the killer. They can do that solo or with anyone that they play with.
So both sides can and do take the game hostage and both sides are breaking the rules and can be punished for doing so.
Still I dont go that far. I just stand at the exit gates tbagging until they force me out. It hurts their pride.
But again I ONLY do this to hard camping killers. The kind who hook their first guy and refuse to move. I never do it to normal killers.
I don't see how you can facecamp a guy and then act shocked when survivors get salty in return. -
Ok lets review what I said...Mister_xD said:@The_Crusader said:
Orion said:@The_Crusader said:
I can take the hatch without killer knowing - or I give the killer a chance to win s hatch standoff. Seems I'm actually doing them a favour.
And I'd argue its killers who hold the game hostage. When they canp nobody gets any meaningful points. Its denying the other players a proper game.
Stop defending crappy behaviour. Losing points for staying near the hook, borrowed time changes...you think you'd accept that it's not the intended way to play by now.
The Killer cannot win the hatch standoff and you know it. Stop pretending you're not being toxic.
Camped Survivors eventually die. That's not holding the game hostage.
I hope you didn't buy any DLC, because when bans come out on console, you'll definitely be on the chopping block.
The killer CAN win a hatch standoff. I've won it before.
I could take the hatch and get away - offer the killer a chance to grab me. I'm actually doing them a favour. Again they could end it at ANY TIME by hitting me, THEY choose to stand there.
Standing in exit gates - again all they have to do is walk up and whack the survivor. Not hard at all.
None of that is holding the game hostage at all. We've been over the exit gates thing before. None of this is holding the game hostage like say blocking the basement stairs bevause the killer can easily stop it at any time. So no, there won't be a ban my friend.
Enjoy the new borrowed time btw
I'll be bringing it every game. You're going to have to work harder for your camps.people like you are the reason why so many see the term "survivor main" as something negative.
i will stick with @Orion in this one. You were toxic and you knew it, yet you are trying to find approval by posting this on the forums.
no one likes ppl who do this #########, deal with that.
Stand at exit gates - killer walks over and hits survivor out = OH NO HE WASTED 20-30 SECONDS OF MY TIME!!! SOMEONE CALL TEH POLIC3!!!
Stand at hatch - killer can walk over and hit survivor at anytime to force an escape - killer CHOOSES to stand there for 10 mins - HE FORCED ME INTO IT GUYZ!! HE USED THE JEDI MIND POWERS!!
People like you, orion and all the killer mains here are the problem with this community. You give "killer mains" a negative meaning. You think its perfectly acceptable to ruin the game for other people then you turn around and act like such snowflakes if the survivor forces you to chase then out of the exit gate.
- Standing at the hook and forcing someones game to be over 40 seconds in, ensuring they depip and have wasted their escape cake = Perfectly acceptable.
- Having to take an extra 20 seconds to walk over to the exit gate to hit a survivor out = COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE! BHVR BAN PLZ!!
lmfao give me a break. You lot are so entitled. -
Yeah whatever. You have such double standards it's ridiculous and think the entire game should be about the killer and what they want from a game.
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@Carpemortum Defensive much?
I asked for an example because I can't think of any. Why are you trying to find some kind of ulterior motive where there is none lmao
@Tsulan Thanks for making an effort at explaining one. I don't see why people found that hard.
Refusing to leave isn't holding the game hostage really as again the killer can hit them. If they stay in after that then hit them again and hook them. If they stand in the exit gates until you hit them out it takes what, an extra 20 seconds to walk to the exit gates and force them out? Hardly holding the game hostage.
Hiding whenever they hear a heartbeat? Isn't that the entire point of the game for survivors? Lmao
Again the killer can do something about it. They can find them and kill them.
Holding the game hostage is doing something that the other side can't do anything about - examples being bodyblocking survivors in the basement or survivors glitching into areas where the killer can't reach them. -
Ok and with Borrowed Time changes you are not entitled to hitting a survvior once and getting to rehook them. You're gonna have to work a little harder pal.Orion said:@The_Crusader said:
Could just ya know....step away from the hook and chase someone else.Seens like an easy solution to me but god forbid killers chase anyone but the first guy hooked.
You are not entitled to a free rescue.
Oh and don't complain about gen times. Survivors don't have to slow down with gens just so you get more chase time. You are not entitled to that. -
Yes, they increased healing times to extend the game. They don't want to increase gen times because they think it would be boring.
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Taking the gane hostage nornally means killers bodyblocking survivors in the basement. That's a situation where those players can't do anything other than disconnect.Orion said:@The_Crusader said:
I'm curious how survivors manage to "take the game hostage" without cheating i.e. getting into places the killer can't reach.I mean if you're just crouching around the map or waiting at the exit gates you're not doing anything the killer can't sort out.
I'm curious how you think pretending not to know helps your case in any way. You're still the bad guy for taking the game hostage.
If the survivors are waiting at the exit the killer can easily do something about it. Just walk up and hit them, then they flee. Takes 30 seconds of their time most are just too proud to do it.
So again tell me how survivors can hold the game hostage without cheating? Because off the top of my head I can't think of anything. -
I'm curious how survivors manage to "take the game hostage" without cheating i.e. getting into places the killer can't reach.
I mean if you're just crouching around the map or waiting at the exit gates you're not doing anything the killer can't sort out. -
The killer CAN win a hatch standoff. I've won it before.Orion said:@The_Crusader said:
I can take the hatch without killer knowing - or I give the killer a chance to win s hatch standoff. Seems I'm actually doing them a favour.And I'd argue its killers who hold the game hostage. When they canp nobody gets any meaningful points. Its denying the other players a proper game.
Stop defending crappy behaviour. Losing points for staying near the hook, borrowed time changes...you think you'd accept that it's not the intended way to play by now.
The Killer cannot win the hatch standoff and you know it. Stop pretending you're not being toxic.
Camped Survivors eventually die. That's not holding the game hostage.
I hope you didn't buy any DLC, because when bans come out on console, you'll definitely be on the chopping block.
I could take the hatch and get away - offer the killer a chance to grab me. I'm actually doing them a favour. Again they could end it at ANY TIME by hitting me, THEY choose to stand there.
Standing in exit gates - again all they have to do is walk up and whack the survivor. Not hard at all.
None of that is holding the game hostage at all. We've been over the exit gates thing before. None of this is holding the game hostage like say blocking the basement stairs bevause the killer can easily stop it at any time. So no, there won't be a ban my friend.
Enjoy the new borrowed time btw I'll be bringing it every game. You're going to have to work harder for your camps.
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I can take the hatch without killer knowing - or I give the killer a chance to win s hatch standoff. Seems I'm actually doing them a favour.Orion said:@The_Crusader said:
Why are you being toxic again?If killers force a guy to get no points and depip due to camping then we're going to do our best to avenge the guy. It's the honorable thing.
Don't like it? Then either don't camp or don't complain about it.
Walking to the exit gates and forcing the survivors out is soooo hard lmao
Why are you being toxic all the time? Stop holding games hostage.
And I'd argue its killers who hold the game hostage. When they canp nobody gets any meaningful points. Its denying the other players a proper game.
Stop defending crappy behaviour. Losing points for staying near the hook, borrowed time changes...you think you'd accept that it's not the intended way to play by now. -
Why are you being toxic again?Orion said:@The_Crusader said:
Oh here you are defending camping yet again.Survivors can't hold the game hostage genius. Killer sees me at the hatch? Just hit and I jump out. I OFFERED a hatch standoff, they never had to accept it.
As for the exit gate thing it didn't last long. Killer came over and hit us and we went out. You can't really hold the game hostage as survivor.
So no, we're not the toxic ones. You can't tell other people how to play and have fun. Maybe I want to be chased out for those few extra points? Maybe I want to stay in the game a while longer for more points? Especially since you don't get many against a camping killer since you lose benevolence and evader pointsm
I like how even the most toxic of all killers are always innocent in your eyes. They can never do no wrong. No they're the toxic ones and people lile you who defend every scummy thing in the game are bad for the community.
"But but only the killer is allowed to be toxic!!!"
Lmao give me a break.
"You didn't let me score a goal, so I'm kicking you in the shin."
You were the bad guy and you know it. That's why you're seeking outside approval, and you decided to jump in this thread because you want to turn it into a safe space/echo chamber for people like you.
If killers force a guy to get no points and depip due to camping then we're going to do our best to avenge the guy. It's the honorable thing.
Don't like it? Then either don't camp or don't complain about it.
Walking to the exit gates and forcing the survivors out is soooo hard lmao -
Could just ya know....step away from the hook and chase someone else.Wolf74 said:@Tsulan said:
The_Crusader said:
Master said:@The_Crusader said:
Seriously.
If the game isn't lagging unbearably then it's just a tunnel fest. Before you cry "w3lL dun get c@Ught lol" they stil tunnel other survivors to death. You get penalized if you don't unhook. Plus its not nice to leave someone on the hook. But you have to. Because every killer walks a little bit away from the hook then quickly runs back to tunnel the unhooked guy before he can get away. Game after game after game this is the strategy of every 9 out of 10 killers. Its absolutely awful for the person being tunneled and its boring as hell for the remaining survivors. Dont give me "its a legit strategy" approach. Its garbage and has completely ruined one side kf the game.
They need to make some extreme changes to make this playable again. Its only worth it in SWF or playing killer now.
The more pressure you put upon the killer, the more likely he will camp.
I am really curious whats going to happen next patch with aura removal and BT lifted to DS lvl
I was worried about survivors exploiting BT when I read about the changes. I mean I leave the hook anyway but some will rush an unhook before you even have chance to leave the area.
That said with how bad the camping is IMO, I think this had to be done. There's no way around it. At least this way the unhooked guy will have a chance to defend himself.
Huh? How bad camping is? Camping is on a historical low. It was way worse, before BBQ was released.
But now with the upcoming changes? I guarantee it won't improve, but get as bad as before BBQ existed.Can't say I didn't warn you.
I am really hyped to see the patch coming.^^
The forum will get wasted with "killer camping" complains.
And all they will do is asking for punishments to killer and we are another step closer to the Devs caving in and doing it, like degenerating bloodpoints while near the hook or some crap like that .In terms of balance we had 1 step forward and 2 steps back for almost 2 years, now we had a brief moment of 2 steps forward and only 1 step back. We killer mains really thought things will become better now, but this will knock us back a lot, because there is a rattail attached to this.
It's a ticking timebomb.
Seens like an easy solution to me but god forbid killers chase anyone but the first guy hooked. -
Lol here we go with the survivor main garbage again.KiraElijah said:First off, @The_Crusader is probably the most biased survivor main on the forums.
Second: CLEANSE TOTEMS TO REMOVE NOED
Third; You would hate my endgame Wraith
Say anything negative about killers = survivor mains.
This forum is so warped and hostile to anyone who dares to suggest maybe not everything is peachy for survivors. If you don't follow the dogma that killers have it soooo hard and they need 1000 buffs and survivors have everything easy and hassle free then you get verbally abused and ganged up on. It's an extremely toxic forum. Notnsurprised thoigh when influences like tydetyme etc have been pushing this for so long.
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Oh here you are defending camping yet again.Orion said:@The_Crusader said:
Lol the other day we had a camping killerm so we all stood in exit gates as long as possibke tbagging. The killer acted like we were rhe bad guys for rhat after the game the nerve of some people.I've also caused hatch standoffs against camping killers. Well cant really cause it as a survivor but I'll wait a hatch and get their attention and they'll always take the bait. Its so easy to win as survivor, you can just browse the internet on your phone, and ifnyou hear your character get hit through earphones you just press a button. Killer has to have hand on mouse at all times. Its funny because you glance up and can see they're getting restless. Even had one guy disconnect on me. But again before anyone tries to call me the bad guy - I never forced a hatch standoff, they accepted it. They had every opportunity to just hit me and lose.
So yeah, play toxic and I'll be toxic in return.
You were the bad guy in every one of those scenarios, just like the OP. Camping is an intended strategy, holding the game hostage is not. Good job on proving that you are bad for the community.
Survivors can't hold the game hostage genius. Killer sees me at the hatch? Just hit and I jump out. I OFFERED a hatch standoff, they never had to accept it.
As for the exit gate thing it didn't last long. Killer came over and hit us and we went out. You can't really hold the game hostage as survivor.
So no, we're not the toxic ones. You can't tell other people how to play and have fun. Maybe I want to be chased out for those few extra points? Maybe I want to stay in the game a while longer for more points? Especially since you don't get many against a camping killer since you lose benevolence and evader pointsm
I like how even the most toxic of all killers are always innocent in your eyes. They can never do no wrong. No they're the toxic ones and people lile you who defend every scummy thing in the game are bad for the community.
"But but only the killer is allowed to be toxic!!!"
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Lol the other day we had a camping killerm so we all stood in exit gates as long as possibke tbagging. The killer acted like we were rhe bad guys for rhat after the game the nerve of some people.
I've also caused hatch standoffs against camping killers. Well cant really cause it as a survivor but I'll wait a hatch and get their attention and they'll always take the bait. Its so easy to win as survivor, you can just browse the internet on your phone, and ifnyou hear your character get hit through earphones you just press a button. Killer has to have hand on mouse at all times. Its funny because you glance up and can see they're getting restless. Even had one guy disconnect on me. But again before anyone tries to call me the bad guy - I never forced a hatch standoff, they accepted it. They had every opportunity to just hit me and lose.
So yeah, play toxic and I'll be toxic in return. -
Wow. If only I came across more pigs like you haha.Avariku said:mind you those good plays occurred at rank 10. Yes, I could probably rank up higher, but most of the time I play friendly and try not to hook people if I know they're going to die.
(I do love it when they die from traps though, but that is extremely rare. 1/50 games or so?)
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Oh. Gonna say Pig, Clown, Leatherface are known for getting gen rushed.trendyfartknocker said:@The_Crusader said:
Is this with all killers or do you main one/a select few?I main huntress, but I also play pig, clown, spirit and occasionally myers/leatherface/billy. I encounter these groups regardless of the killer I'm playing, but I'll say huntress since she's 70% of my games.
Billy and Spirit are good. Not sure about Huntress, some people rate her highly, me personally I rate her mid.
Try using Billy more. Get a lot of experience with him and it keeps happening.
Honestly being good in chases isn't enough. You walk to gen, survivor sees you and starts runninf, yoi slowly catch up, you hit them, they speed burst away, you hit them again, they go down, you hook them and then you slowly waddle across the map to find a new target.
All of that takes time and gens get done. You need 2 hooked at once, or 1 hooked and 1 down.
This is why Billy is good. You instadown survivors so you end the chase before it even begins. You then zoom across the map and find a new target in seconds.
It sounds to me like you need more pressure. You need the survivors so overwhelmed that they're forced to come off gens. Billy can do that, some killers can't.
Dont be afraid to change target mid-chase if a new survivor is right next to you. The other will still have to heal. Or give them a quick slap to injure them and then carry on chasing the first guy.
Try slugging too. If theres an unhook you can slug the injured guy and then chase down the healthy guy. This will force someone off a gen to go heal the slugged guy off the ground.
Also avoid bad areas. Some areas just aren't worth it like the inside of Crotus Penn. Or smash a pallet and then find a new survivor.
Dont get me wrong gens do go very fast. Can be 2 gone before you even hook someone, especially if DS comes into play. Thats why the tier list exists. You need a killer who can ddown survivors so fast they can't keep up. -
Thanks for that. Yeah I can use other survivors as baif, I always take BondMalakir said:@The_Crusader
The following videos were not made to create harm to any killer. I used precaution when recorded these time ago.
Video 1:
Video 2:
These videos were between rank 9-8. At higher ranks the loops I took and some things I did wouldn't work as much as worked here since I'm pretty bad as looper and more of a stealthy player, still usable as example how to get rid of a killer making him switch target. The difference between here and higher ranks are:
killers won't lose you that easily, would mind game more and respect pallets less
For survivors: gens would be done faster, loopers are way stronger than I have shown on these videos and I would do more gen and be more stealthyThe point of the examples is show how almost totally ignoring survivors and actually using them as a bait would lead you to survive more often. At high ranks if you would ever meet me, I'm the one who would flip the finger if you are in a hook to save myself if it means taking the risk to die. Unless its lower ranks like these were I was just having fun with the killer
though it's only a ladt resort.
I appriciate the advice but don't think it will help me. You see how fast the David went down in your second video? Thats what happens in my games. With Myers he normally pops his tier 3 like 30 seconds into the game and downs 2 people at once. The team never recovers from that snowball. I really wish I was joking but thats actually what happens. If he doesnt down 2 immediately then he puts 1 on the hook and another idiot runs in for the unhook against a tier 3 Myers and now there's 2 hooked survivors. Doesn't take long for the third guy to go down either.
I've tried rushing gens and getting the hatch but that becomes so slow paced and boring doing it time and time again.
So then I tried running borrowed time and stuff and unhooking but these people can't defend themselves.
I"m only going to play with friends from now on. I mean I could try finding the killer and looping them but I'm like you, I prefer stealth over looping, and I probably wouldn't last too long because I get put with people from eastern europe a lot and they lag like hell.
I mean I'd do it if I knew i could depend on other people to rush gens while I get the killers attention but as im running I can see my teams auras with Bond, theres always a claudette hiding in the grass despite the killer not chasing her, there's a Nea who keeps failing skillchecks so her gen goes nowhere, and then you go down, and you finally see the third aura.....it's a Claudette hiding away st the very edge of the map hoping everyone dies so she can have the hatch.
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Yeah I really liked playing as Clown but he's not nearly as strong as some people think he is.EntityDispleased said:Yeah a killer is fun for like the first few matches till you realize how weak they really are. I loved playing as LF since I loved that hammer and chainsaw but quickly I realized how trash he really is so I switched to someone else.
I'm all for fun and balance but if I'm gonna get punished for using my ability then that's no fun at all, at least for me.
He's fun and great at chases but has absolutely no map pressure so the gens go ping ping, ping very fast.
It can be frustrating to feel like you played really well, did really good in the chases but still got barely any kills. Feels like you couldn't have played any better sometimes.
Then you switch to Billy, Spirit or Hag and suddenly game after game they never get to power the exit gates and you ask yourself what's the point in using weaker killers?
Not to mention that you need to grind, grind, gring for perks to make some killers viable. Freddy or Pig without any kind of chase perks? No thanks.
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So did I. I don't know why people insist on doing it. It should be a last resort. Its around 40 seconds to heal.artist said:
with the healing nerf and a lot of killers running sloppy lately I stopped using self care entirely. just takes too longgrisstyl said:@artist said:
imagine not using adrenaline in 2018I'm really liking my games having dropped Self-Care in favor of Iron Will + Adrenaline. Self-Care really takes away from the team gameplay in my opinion.
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Is this with all killers or do you main one/a select few?
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Why are you acting so toxic and childish?GodDamn_Angela said:@The_Crusader said:
Lmfao. Since day 1 that's all anyone here has ever done here. I get it day after day as do others.Funny though how when someone you disagree with does it its suddenlt bad, yet when everyone else does it then it's A-ok.
Besides think its obvious with recent changes that there is an idealized way to play this game.
I don't think anyone is going to go to you for what is the "ideal" way to play this game.
You lose to campers.
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Tl:dr please don't respond to the thread if you aren't going to read a single thing I wrote.GodDamn_Angela said:After reading through this thread I am still confused about something.
How, in anyway, are Survivors punished and hurt for not immediately unhooking?
If you are going for the unhook you better know what you are doing. Not only that, if you are all the way across the map DON'T go for the unhook.
You have time to finish a generator and then unhook someone. Not doing gens is your fault and is WORSE for you and your team then not camping the killer and hook. If the Killer is camping and/or tunneling that gives you, and the other survivors, way more leeway and freedom to rush Gens.
Also, if the Killer knows a survivor (or in your case ALL of them) are coming to unhook and are waiting for the Killer to leave then they are going to camp the hook because they aren't just going to GIVE you it.
tl;dr: If you are losing to Killers who are hard camping, you're bad.
NOTHING you said applies here. I've alteady explained that all of those excuses you just typed clearly aren't the case here. You come across as just another camping killer running in to give your "git gud" excuse. It's really pathetic.
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I personally don't rescue when the killer is stood right there, others do.Orion said:@The_Crusader said:
They're ignoring the main point.The survivor waits but the killer won't leave. The person on the hook is seconds way from going into the struggle stage so the survivor unhooks anyway as there is nothing to lose.
Somehow it's the survivors fault for making risky unhooks....even thought they wait and the killer has no intention of leaving.
The killer causes this situation by patrolling around tethered to the hook for the full 2 minutes. Then try to blame it on survivors LOL
You could also... y'know, not rescue. Just because you want to do something doesn't mean you should be able to, especially when the guy you're supposed to fear is right there. You're playing the weaker role. Act like it.
End of the day it is a videogame, try to have fun with chases rather than sitting around a hook.
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Can survivors have a copy of the killer rulebook too? I mean I think we know most of them...
1) Don't loop, stand still and take a hit instead
2) Don't pallet stun, take a hit instead
3) Don't unhook, it's rude after the killer went to all the effort of hooking that survivor
4) Don't do gens
5) Don't cleanse totems
6) Don't bodyblock to stop a teammate from being hooked
7) Don't go for the hatch, just face the killer and take your death like a man
8) NO FLASHLIGHTS!
9) Don't use any perks other than ones like Left BehindDid I forget any?
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Orion said:@The_Crusader said:
Why do you salty killer mains always rush to try and call people #########?
If the random people I get put with unhook anyway for the points cus of the stupid benevolence system and let each other get tunneled faster then what does that have to do with me? I can't stop that. I manage to get the hatch many times against the spirit. But sat holding M1 while they circle the hook and then having them force a 10 minute hatch stand off isn't fun at all.
It has nothing to do with not being able to beat them you toxic person, its the fact that its as dull as watching paint dry. Why dont they try getting good? Spirit can be hard to use fsir enough, so a lot just dont use her power to chase they simply use it to camp the hook instead. Its sad.
I didn't call you anything and I'm not a Killer main, so clearly you're thinking of someone else.
So a Survivor decides to farm you for points, but the Killer is the one at fault? Walk me through your thought process.
If you're not having fun with this game, you should switch to something else. I hear Civilization is good.
just because a survivor farms another off a hook in front of a killer, it doesn't mean the killer must capitalize on the event. unless of course, they are desperate.
They're ignoring the main point.
The survivor waits but the killer won't leave. The person on the hook is seconds way from going into the struggle stage so the survivor unhooks anyway as there is nothing to lose.
Somehow it's the survivors fault for making risky unhooks....even thought they wait and the killer has no intention of leaving.
The killer causes this situation by patrolling around tethered to the hook for the full 2 minutes. Then try to blame it on survivors LOL
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Oh wow. I was wondering if there was an easy way to adjust the brightness, I know what I'm doing later.
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You mean where the killer walks away to just on the edge of terror radius and hides behind a wall to bait an unhook, then immediately comes running back to tunnel?Poweas said:@The_Crusader said:
towhead said:camping and tunneling rates are insane.
Played about 20 games yesterday.
I think maybe 3/4 of them tops had killers who stepped more than 20m away from the hook lmfao
I played 21 today, and only 1 camper and thats cause exit gates were powered. Camping is really little now, it's tunneling that's a problem.
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Lmfao. Since day 1 that's all anyone here has ever done here. I get it day after day as do others.MegaWaffle said:@The_Crusader said:
MegaWaffle said:@The_Crusader said:
So it wont affect most killers as most killers don't even play properly.
I'm sorry but who are you to tell someone how to play? Unless you paid for their copy of the game I don't see how you can say someone is playing wrong.
Oh ok then.
Well survivors bought the game to play it and enjoy it too. Maybe you lot could stop crying for nerfs every 5 minutes to ruin their enjoyment of the game.
Who are you to dictate how strong/weak each side should be?
Oh and stop crying about SWF flashlights, bodyblocking and teabagging. Who are you to tell them how to play?
I love how without knowing who I am you have assumed I'm taking sides in this ridiculous flame war killer vs survivor community. All I did was ask how its fair you can dictate how someone plays, be they survivor or killer. In the phrase I quoted from you you only mentioned "killers don't play properly" so I could only comment on what you said.
Not once in my short comment did I mention anything regarding game balance, game changes, SWF, or any of the other things you tried to claim I did. You my friend are a great example of why this community is so toxic. Rather then responding to what was written you inject what you want to hear so as to create an argument that was never there in the first place.
How about you put a little thought into your words before trying to brand someone with a title to fit your own narrative.
Cheers.
Funny though how when someone you disagree with does it its suddenlt bad, yet when everyone else does it then it's A-ok.
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Delete.
But really I don't know. Anything in its current form is too powerful.
If it really has to be in the game and it has to involve the survvior stabbing the killer....perhaps make them wobble uncontrollably in pain. Boil over is 75%? Make this 200% for 5 seconds. That way it cant be abused by swf for flashlight saves like the last idea could, but it could really screw the killer over.
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I feel the problem is toxic players.
I tried to stay low rank for a little while this month after reset so that I can have fun with low tier killers with no good perks unlocked because afterall I paid for them.
So upon letting survivors win to derank I'd had a laugh with people in most games and just messed about and they've been grateful.
However along the way you meet some really toxic people. Despite clearly letting a team win a claudette player for example didnt seem to realize this and spammed the game after with "ez" and proceeded to gloat about how I was "bullied".
Didnt bother me because the rest knew she was an idiot, but I'm sure we've all been there in our early days, got wrecked by a toxic swf and then told to uninstsll and to go die afterwards for no reason.
People don't want to put up with that crap. So they feel that yes they need a strong killer.
If everyone was chill and friendly I think people wouldn't be as fussed. I can be ok losing with Doctor because I'll still be swimming in bloodpoints so I had fun.
However when you get toxic swf who lobby switch at thr last second and try to be as toxic as possible...well when that happens lets just say I'm glad that I'm using someone strong like Hillbilly or Hag. -
It has EVERYTHING to do with it.Orion said:@The_Crusader said:
Well your idea of them having DS makes no sense and is only used as an attempt.to justify your argument. People get camped regardless of whether they have DS or not so that part should be disregarded.DS was put there to guarantee that the Survivor succeeded at something (namely, a skill check). The argument is the same with or without it.
@The_Crusader said:
As others have said LOL at the idea that catching a survivor is hard. You can attack. They can not. You move at 4.6m per second. They only move at 4m per second.The entire game is made so that the killer is able to catch the survivor.
You seem dead impressed with yourself for it though. Do you want a medal?
If you don't have anything to say that is relevant to this thread, you can start your own. This thread is about whether or not camping is fair. The difficulty in catching a Survivor has nothing to do with it.
If the killer wants to catch the survivor, they will catch them. It's only a matter of time - outside of maybe a rank 1 survivor going against a rank 15 killer.
So the game gives you the advantage to catch them, then you sit there and say "right pal, the game is over for you. You can sit there for 2 minutes until you're dead".
If they got spotted early enough then chances are they didn't even get to do anything in the game beyond touched a gen for 10 seconds.
That person is willing to play the game with you. They're allowing you to take the power role over them and in return you're turning around and screwing them over. They get no points and depip because you wouldn't give them a chance.
No it's not fair. Always seems to be the same people defending it too. -
Well your idea of them having DS makes no sense and is only used as an attempt.to justify your argument. People get camped regardless of whether they have DS or not so that part should be disregarded.Orion said:@The_Crusader said:
Well said.Its easier now than ever before to catch a survivor. This guy has a Nurse avatar too strangely.
I also love how he implies only the obsession gets camped. Lmao. Campers gonna camp anyone they get regardless of whether they have DS or not.
If you don't have anything to say that is relevant to this thread, you can start your own. This thread is about whether or not camping is fair. The difficulty in catching a Survivor and my profile picture have nothing to do with it.
As others have said LOL at the idea that catching a survivor is hard. You can attack. They can not. You move at 4.6m per second. They only move at 4m per second.
The entire game is made so that the killer is able to catch the survivor.
You seem dead impressed with yourself for it though. Do you want a medal? -
Well said.altruistic said:It doesn't matter how well any Survivor plays. If I want to catch someone, I will catch them. Imagine thinking catching a Survivor in 2018 is actually hard. I'm not even that great of a Killer, I am actually quite mediocre.
I don't even care about camping, I actually expect it. I am more surprised when someone actually leaves the hook completely. That's where DBD is in 2018.
Its easier now than ever before to catch a survivor. This guy has a Nurse avatar too strangely.
I also love how he implies only the obsession gets camped. Lmao. Campers gonna camp anyone they get regardless of whether they have DS or not. -
Exactly, and it's never as simple as it sounds. So I don't get why it gets floated around so much.Wolf74 said:@The_Crusader said:
Oh and please dont do the "bring x perk" thing. We all know that excuse gets used for every issue with the game but you cant have a perk for everything with only 4 slots.
But isn't that what survivor say to killer all the time?
Problem with gen rush? Bring Ruin.
Problem with pallets? Bring BS.
Problems with items? Bring FD.
etc.
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I agree that some survivors throw those termd around too easily, and no there's no such things as gen camping.Wolf74 said:@The_Crusader said:
Lol the guy who always defends camping and tunneling talking about whats fair and fun for the other side
The irony.
Because "camping" and "tunneling" are just social combat terms used by biased survivor player to shun other player from using legal tactics.
Survivor use these terms inflationary. Calling everything "camping" and "tunneling" no matter the circumstances.
Oh the injured guy is really bad at hiding and I find him again every time he gets unhooked = TUNNELER!
I hook someone right in the middle of a 3 last gen cluster, that the survivor created by rushing the gens without thinking and do not run to the other side of the map = CAMPER!But you constantly refuse to see it from that perspective. You only see YOUR "truth" from your precious survivor side. You seem to want free unhooks and free heals no matter what.
But you have to admit that sitting on the first person you caught and not letting them get away is a bit harsh.
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I was worried about survivors exploiting BT when I read about the changes. I mean I leave the hook anyway but some will rush an unhook before you even have chance to leave the area.Master said:@The_Crusader said:
Seriously.If the game isn't lagging unbearably then it's just a tunnel fest.
Before you cry "w3lL dun get c@Ught lol" they stil tunnel other survivors to death.
You get penalized if you don't unhook. Plus its not nice to leave someone on the hook. But you have to. Because every killer walks a little bit away from the hook then quickly runs back to tunnel the unhooked guy before he can get away. Game after game after game this is the strategy of every 9 out of 10 killers.
Its absolutely awful for the person being tunneled and its boring as hell for the remaining survivors.
Dont give me "its a legit strategy" approach. Its garbage and has completely ruined one side kf the game.
They need to make some extreme changes to make this playable again. Its only worth it in SWF or playing killer now.
The more pressure you put upon the killer, the more likely he will camp.
I am really curious whats going to happen next patch with aura removal and BT lifted to DS lvl
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Ok so killer camps and both my other teammates sit around the hook.Orion said:@The_Crusader said:
Yes but you moan about one thing and people say "bring this and this" and then you moan about another and they tell you to bring this and this etc etcSurely you've had it done to you. Its not helpful.
That's because you're looking to perks or nerfs to solve everything you can't counter. Sometimes, you're just going to have to play better. The vast majority of Killer perks and tactics have hard gameplay counters.
Thats on me. I need tk play better to fix that lmfao sure its all under my control
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So its fair to thr first guy caught that hes getting camped out of the game? Shows you dont play survivor.Orion said:@The_Crusader said:
Because the killer wont leave. So the survivors wait until the first stage is almost up then think "ah screw it" and run in anyway.Yeah the survivors would be better off gen rushing but the killers are starting the problems by refusing to leave the hook.
Besides its pretty crappy to ask survivors to just let that person die and not trg to help them. Plus some get fed up and suicide on hook or D/C which leaves the killer free to camp the next guy.
Why do people always try to push this on survivors? Some rush hooks and yes thats their fault but sometimes they wait and wait and the killer never leaves.
The Killer doesn't have to allow for unhooks. You don't have to go save anyone. It's pretty crappy to demand Killers give free unhooks.
Nobody pushes anything on Survivors; it is on Survivors. The Killer made their move, it's up to you to counter it. If you use a tactic that the Killer is already countering (reckless unhooks), it's your fault that it fails.
Also its hard to counter it solo when your teammates sit around the hook. Theres literally nothing I can do to make them play better. I can only control my own actions.
So its best to play SWF becausr you can agree to ignore a camping killer....but then people like you and wolf etc run to the forums screeching about how SWF needs to be removed from the game.
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Yes but you moan about one thing and people say "bring this and this" and then you moan about another and they tell you to bring this and this etc etcVietfox said:
That's actually the point of builds. Builds are meant to counter stuff that makes you struggle the most, no one is suposed to be able to counter everything.The_Crusader said:Vietfox said:
@The_CrusaderThe_Crusader said:
Nah he's right. Once you're on the hook against a Spirit it's game over.Vietfox said:
Sounds like a L2P issue.@Shadoureon said:Spirit = DC
The Game = DC
Found in first 15 seconds = DC because since Spirit patch most of the killers tunnel and camp you anyway.I play for fun and these 3 scenarios are not fun so I leave for a new match. And yes I dont care about the others when making that descision.
They walk away a bit then phase walk back hooing tk catch someone unhooking you. If nobody is there they just repeat it over and over again until someone does unhook you, then they down you before you have a chance to get away and rehook you.
If you're not the one being camped have fun doing gens solo while the other two survivors run in, get hit, run away, heal, run in, get hit, run away, heal - and repeat. Though in some cases they do manage to unhook at which point the killer puts them right back on the hook and gets to skip the timer.
They are really boring and unfun games.
No it's not game over. Each killer requires a different playstyle, also if you are having issues with the spirit use lightweight, iron will, etc.
Oh and please dont do the "bring x perk" thing. We all know that excuse gets used for every issue with the game but you cant have a perk for everything with only 4 slots.
Create a build around your main weaknesses and/or necessities and use the skills to counter the rest.
Surely you've had it done to you. Its not helpful.