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Not that one.
Besides, we sorta have a Joker like killer already. The beer gut killer we all love, The Clown who's laugh can brighten a room.
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@prayer_survivor said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/627172#Comment_627172
Killer complain about gen tapping. Lvl 18-20 survivors have a very bad experience at the beginning, when killers are like gods.
@prayer_survivor The difference is they eventually learn they don't have to gen tap and that it's better to just power through.
Killers complaining about Gen Tapping actually hurts killers, since tapping is actually worse then holding the fix generator button. What this is asking for is a nerf to a perfectly balanced killer, which, bare in mind, I'm not good at using myself. (Don't even mention insta saw, since the devs are looking into changing the add ons)
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Another 'Nerf Killer' post
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@Warlock_2020 NO WARLOCK! I SHALL PROTECT YO- -is banned too-
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Nothing makes me stronger then a succulent chest wound.
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Pretty sure even @Peanits stated that the reward is there, but it might as well not be.
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Actually @sirnewbington and @QuickStiQz the Prestige reward is so minuscule, it technically doesn't do anything at all.
It could be that the RNG was kind to you @Xaggy.
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I wasn't gonna answer, since I knew you wouldn't get the point, but this is in fact my last reply to you on this thread.
First off, I know several people who don't have English as their mother tongue, and they have better grammar, but that wasn't a legitimate point I was making, I could write an essay on your mistakes but that would be going too far.
Now this is going to be a dozy, but as my last reply it'll not matter how long it is. I hope this will get past your thick skull.
1."The Reverse Bear Traps maybe. And the main function of the Boxes is to free yourself of the trap. It's a solution to the problem and won't actually kill you on it's own":
"That a plain fallacy, this traps are not a solution, a killer its there to kill you, not to save you,(well maybe in the movie wanted save you, but no one in this game do)"
Misuse of the word Fallacy, since I clearly stated that the ENTITY made the boxes.
"The traps function its not kill, but trap, thats why are called traps, but even with that, they hurt you, they make you lose time"
The boxes aren't [Bad Word] traps. There is no time limit in the game, disregarding the other survivors being hunted, so until the timer starts on the RBT, you have all the time in the world. The RBT was made to kill, both in the game and in the movie.
"and they can get you killed in atleast 4 ways: cutting your hands to make you scream and spot you, same than Trapper traps do, since you cant waste time healing you will leave lots of blood and get spotted again, just dont giving you the key and making the bomb explode, and last making the laugh sound to spot you while you have your hands trapped."
The wrist cut doesn't actually do anything, holy hell how many times do I have to say it? And UNLESS the killer is a tunneler or happens to be in the immediate area, that is useless. Trapper's traps is a sudden SNAP sound, so even if survivors don't scream, the trap will make a sound to alert the Trapper. And you can 'waste time' healing if the trap isn't even active. The RBT isn't a bomb niether. It's a trap that rips your jaw apart.
The laugh sound happens if the box doesn't have the key, which means by thst time you are free to move, like you were able to any time.
"Its not a solution to the problem, it could be before end of the world patch,"
It's the Entity's solution to having a damned active trap on your head. Also it's Endgame Collapse, you illiterate.... Lovely person.
"but now pigs only use the bear traps to force you go to the box traps, so they can spot you and kill you,"
This implies the Pig was tunneling you
"in fact bear traps dont even explode at the exit gates anymore, so they are even less of a trap than the box since they dont even trap you"
For balance reasons of course the traps aren't active if they are put on once the last generator was done. But they are still a trap whether or not they are active.
2."The boxes seen in game never appeared in the movies":
"It dosnt matter the box are not in the movies, the traps of the movies not being in the game its irrelevant,"
It does matter, and it is relevant. Since the Pig (Amanda) was taken straight from the movie, it's canon to Dead by Daylight.
"the important thing in the movies you see ppl die through diferent random crazy traps, they could be a box that cut your hands or a bear trap, or a shotgun that only make noise, or a bird with a bomb inside, no matter if they dont look like a trap, they are traps to kill and this game copied that lore perfectly."
The only difference is, Amanda, who is in fact the Pig killer that we play, rigs her games to be UNBEATABLE, as in, even if you did everything right, you would die. So by your own logic, no, the game didn't copy the lore perfectly.
3."They don't bring you down a healthstate nor are you actually stuck. If you'veplayed the game at all you would know this. The bleeding is only temporary and you don't scream unless you fail a skill check.":
"Another fallacy, they bring you down x2 health states if the killer use the grab,"
Another misuse of the word, as I am 100% correct in this instance. You are ASSUMING the killer will follow the one person who shouldn't be doing gens and was hooked previously. So no, it doesn't bring you down a healthstate or two normally.
"its basically an insta hook trap, the bleeding its ALWAYS temporary, and fail an skill check its a cuestion of stadistic,"
Failing a skillcheck does not hurt you, just makes the killer aware you are finding a key.
"if you think being very good will make you never fail an skillcheck, then you never studied maths at school."
I'm a mediocre survivor. But I don't need a degree in rocket science to know how to hit a good or great skillcheck. Over the course of my survivor gameplays I've rarely missed a good skill check when trying to get a trap off my head.
"If you ever played this game you would know only a friendly noob pig before "end of the world""
Endgame Collapse.
"patch would let you play with the boxes, any pig that want make a kill will inmediatly go in stealth mode, follow your bleeding and insta down you at the box trap, if want achive a kill withouth end infinite pallet looped like a noob."
Not all killers are complete and utter [Bad Word]holes like you.
4."The boxes are just there to make a visual representation of a survivor having a chance":
"If you think that you should be the worst pig killer on the game, just because you dont know how to use them to insta down survivors dosnt mean they are useless, if you want learn how to do it just read point 3."
Dude, I've already stated that I am not a Pig Main. I might very well be the wost Pig Player in the game, but that doesn't disregard my point that only [Bad Word]holes or complete and utter noobs go for the one person who's life is on the line when they could go for literally anyone else.
5."Unlike the Pig's RBT, you can manually free yourself from Bear Traps set by the Trapper. And unlike the Trapper, the Pig's Traps have one definitive box that always has the key for every trap placed on your head, it's just your luck if you find the right box.":
"i dont see the diference, in bobth case its a question of luck you manage to manually free yourself, with the trapper traps or the pig ones, in all case the pig ones are more elaborated traps and harder to get free yourself, something you cant do withouth the boxes cuz are part of the trap."
The difference, my poor friend, is that RBT keys are set in stone which Box has the key. The luck isn't based on which box has the key, it'sbased on if YOU happen to have found the right box, while the Trapper's Trap is PURE luck whether you get out or not. One has a definite solution, the other doesn't. That, and with the Trapper you are actually stuck in place while if you are searching a box and you see the Pig coming for you, you can freely stop checking the box. Meaning you aren't trapped in place.
6."The Pig's trap is the one placed on your head, without the boxes it can't be removed, but the boxes themselves are not traps, they are solutions to a trap granted by the Entity."
"they are not, in the movie the traps from jigaw had a chance to free yourself because he say, you can free yourself through suffer (through suffer his traps),"
You forgot one key detail, can you guess what that is?
Mhm. That is JOHN we are talking about, John, the first Jigsaw.
The one who, in his sick twisted way, wants people to appreciate life.
AMANDA is the killer we are playing as, and she never gives her victims a fair chance.
"that was his philosophy, its nothing of a solution, watch the movies again, its a soul salvation through enduring,"
His philosophy, not Amanda's. Please tell me you aren't completely brain dead.
"idk if here the entity grants it, but in the movies was jigsaw the one granting liberation through pain, wich is a twisted logic and thats why police wanted jail him, because if you suffered yet the pain and maybe cutted your hands, the soul liberation its worthless."
It was the Entity who created the boxes as a means of giving survivors the chance to not die, and thus give them hope. If it were up to Amanda, none of the survivors would ever get to live. But it's not up to her, and that's why the survivors have a chance to live.
"Also as you has stated you cant free yourself withouth that box, meanning they wouldnt leave you escape withouth that boxes so wouldnt work like the trapper traps,"
Except the difference is you can let go of the interaction button, and as you stated yourself, if placed once the Final Generator, the traps are useless and therefore you don't need to remove it.
"but since they are there, you can free yourself same like with the trapper, wich means they are part of the trap,"
They aren't controllable though. You can control when a trap is put on, but you can't decide which box has the key. As stated before, the boxes are just a solution that was presented when asked how to remove the RBTs.
"and they are basically WHAT ITS KEEPING YOU TRAPPED, so they are traps, also trapper traps always have a chance to free yourself,"
No to that first half, as you CAN stop searching and just walk away before finishing the box. By that logic the item chests are also traps.
The difference between a Jigsaw Box and the Trapper's traps, is that you can always stop searching and it won't hurt you ON IT'S OWN, while the Trapper's Traps WILL KEEP YOU IN PLACE until you are grabbed or freed by any means.
"specially with "slippery meat" perk wich still dont make sense only afects to him"
Trap your arm in something that you can slide in easily, but not out as much. Then cover your trapped arm in something slippery and then try pulling out. Tell me what happens.
"but not the pig,"
The boxes are said to slit your wrists with sudden movement. It would be counter productiveto cause injury to yourself when safe then sorry is key.
"the hag, or the new freddy"
Now you're just reaching at straws here. If you truly don't see how moronic that statement is, then I'm glad this is my last reply.
"because the perk lore its about being hard to get catched on a trap,"
It's actually how much more easier it is to escape, not to avoid getting caught. It's counter productive to slit your wrists more when searching a box.
"and if dosnt help you with the boxes, then its DOING HIS FUNCTION properly."
?????????? I think you meant it's not doing it'sfunction properly, in which case you are wrong.
Now a better buff for Slippery meat would be to make the Wiggle Meter fill up faster when grabbed, as that would make more sense. Sorta make it a counter to Iron Grasp.
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@GhostfaceneedaNerf Lemme break this up so I can specifically answer parts of your argument, couldn't do it earlier since I had been on my phone.
I won't even get into how bad your grammar is. You're welcome.
"I repeat you yes they are traps, The pig its a traps playstyle killer,"
The Reverse Bear Traps maybe. And the main function of the Boxes is to free yourself of the trap. It's a solution to the problem and won't actually kill you on it's own.
The boxes seen in game never appeared in the movies, and if this were like the movies then the Pig would have a 100% kill rate, as she never fights fair.
They don't bring you down a healthstate nor are you actually stuck. If you'veplayed the game at all you would know this. The bleeding is only temporary and you don't scream unless you fail a skill check.
"so they are traps to spot you and kill you, with a small chance to find the key"
The boxes are just there to make a visual representation of a survivor having a chance, a good survivor could easily do the boxes without getting found via missed skill checks.
"wich is totally irrelevant since even Trapper traps have that small chance to escape of the trap."
Unlike the Pig's RBT, you can manually free yourself from Bear Traps set by the Trapper. And unlike the Trapper, the Pig's Traps have one definitive box that always has the key for every trap placed on your head, it's just your luck if you find the right box.
TL;DR
The Pig's trap is the one placed on your head, without the boxes it can't be removed, but the boxes themselves are not traps, they are solutions to a trap granted by the Entity.
A single Reverse Bear Trap will always have a definitive Box to go with it. It's a 1/4 chance YOU find the box, not a 1/4 chance that the box you search will have the key (meaning that the box can either be the closest one to you, or the furthest one once the bear trap is on).
This is different from the Trapper as there will always be a chance to free yourself or be freed by others.
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Normally I would ignore people like you due to you having such a joke name, but I wanna let you know Pig is not my main, do I care if a already weak killer gets even weaker? Sure, but I don't care about her enough to be delusional about whenever there is a perk to counter her.
However, the Traps the Pig uses is the one she places on your head. The Jigsaw Boxes themselves aren't necessarily traps, they are a minigame. I would've taken you more seriously even with your name if you just haven't went to joking in your comment.
But let me reiterate, the Jigsaw Boxes have dangerous sharp holes you must stick your hand in and if you mess up, you get a cut. It would make more sense that you want to be as slow as possible to avoid cutting yourself up more then you already would. They aren't traps, they are something used to get traps off your head.
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@rainbows_for_blood "Delirious, she thought of home; she thought of the elders. She traced the symbols they had taught her. A dark hunger stirred inside her. It yearned for blood. She chose vengeance."
Her own bio does not specify that she knew about the Entity, she was only thinking of her home that she was ripped away from.
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-pokes head through doorframe and pulls out Philly, taking pictures-
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Honestly, I still play them cause I like the aesthetic and shiz, but they definitely had fallen down.
The only reason I do well with them is cause I play the Trapper a lot, so I know how to push the forward stick and press R2.
They need but a few tweaks, but the mods and devs on the forums ain't doing that, cause Legion is: "In a good spot."
Being able to get kills doesn't mean it's any fun to do so.
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Maps, all you need. And EVERYONE ignores that.
If you don't have a Rainbow Map, use a Regular Map with Red Twine.
Also, killers haven't failed the game up until the remaining survivors are out of the match. Untill then it's just another perk for someone to use.
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@Gorgonia Ranking systems are [Bad Word] I'll give you that.
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Funny thing right? Just played purple rank game where a killer brought a Ebony.
No one died AT ALL and it was a Leatherface.
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Who ever gave this dumbster fire of a thread attention is a brain dead idiot.
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Yes, that includes me.
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It's a neat idea, however that would just really take the fun out of a lot of things. I'm a semi casual player, which means I ain't sweatin' all my matches and I don't tend to run op builds, which I don't really mind either side running mind you. (Which makes it better when I do run them Iridescent Jaws/Bloody Coil add ons)
I just don't want this to be like Call of Duty where a lot of things are restricted (load-out wise) and I can't run what I want/need just because the game said no.
In my opinion it's okay for both sides to run op builds, it ain't happening all the time and there are cases you still steamroll through killers, solos, and swf who run the op stuf and it makes victory so much more worth it. Anyways, again, neat idea, but I wouldn't like it.
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Killers complaining could have been part of the reason, but the official reason is because it had become too troublesome with the Engine Updates.
So they removed it so they wouldn't have to worry so much about having to balance the game with the Moon offerings.
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@Toxic101 I actually figured just make it like Iridescent Button for Legion.
You hear the Spirit's Terror Radius but wouldn't know she was on you untill it was too late :D
Same thing, opens up more builds.
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I actually wouldn't mind a totem counter for survivors and killers so they know how much Dull Totems are still in play. Just remove the counter from TOTH, and put the number for how much totems are up in the right side of the screen.
Boom, no excuses why this shouldn't be added.
Killer Main btw.
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@artist I always try to own up to my mistakes with things that are objective, it's one of the very few good qualities I try to keep.
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It feels like the corn rows are more opaque.
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@GrootDude I figured as much as soon as I checked his profile once I made this thread. It's been a while since I appeared here. So I forgot who was the one I was arguing about that with.
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I concur with @DudeDelicious
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In case you didn't get the initial ping, apologies for the double ping but the forums are unreliable.
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A shame people here would never change their ways, but I do enjoy what you are trying to do here.
Honestly though, the game should be played how you want it, no made up rules or honor codes. Use what you want, play who and how you want. Do I like campers? No, but it's well in the rights of the killer to do so.
Clicky click t-bagging survivors? Go ahead, I don't mind it, but I'm not happy about it. Anyways, well on you @Bbbrian2013 for a nice idea. :)
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Fuming Mixtape was better pre-nerf Legion, as they could use their power at any time.
That being said it was a horridly designed add on to begin with, but more power to Raven for being able to make use of it.
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@lynelmane I doubt it, but there is hope.
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@Raven014 FM means you have to suffer a stun for little gain, at least for me. I guess this is something that is really our own opinion. But I am glad you can find use in a discount Wraith add on.
Security Camera is a special thing there. And the Tape is okay I guess.
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Howabout no?
Killer Main btw.
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@Onomo The brightest outfit actually belongs to Neon Nea and Neon Legion (Joey), seeing as how they are uh... Neoned?
I would say that Claudette is the second brightest with the skin to clothes difference.
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Now the real question is:
Is the Nightmare Before Christmas a Halloween animation? Or a Christmas one?
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Personally I don't care which it is.
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@Waldemar1328 It is rather silly, but at the end of the day, it's a game.
And Bunny Feng isn't that bad in the grand scheme of things. It wouldn't affect gameplay, so chill a bit before getting angry at a skin.
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Or actually make the other two free.
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@Waldemar1328 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/617505#Comment_617505
This cosmetic SHOULD NOT be in game. It's not Fortnite, they have to do more "realistic" skins, but not like that ridicolous Bunny And other skins like that. What next? Gonna ask Fortnite dances, or Nea with cat ears? I want to remind, It's "horror". It's a good skin, but it shouldn't be in game.
@Waldemar1328 Hey guess what? Clown is getting a silly elephant skin.
No need to be a [Bad Word] buddy.
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... I didn't complain about MoM before, and even then, it screwed me over a couple of matches before it's nerf. Have you ever gotten to the End Game and EVERY survivor had MoM active?
No, or else you wouldn't be saying that horse [Bad Word]. The Rework is a bit more fair, since you gotta work for that (yOU hAd tO sURvIVe cHAsES, no, you didn't.) And now MoM is something I don't care about again, so, oh well?
NoEd can be countered before it's active at all, I know, because I've done it several hundred times in Solo matches. By using maps.
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It's actually a simple solution, I thought about it while making a fan chapter that had a survivor using a hood.
Just have the torso and head, and put: If X is True, then Y is on.
X being either/both torso and head with the Y putting the hood up.
So in essence, if X= Bunny Torso and Bunny Specific Head, the Y would make the hood go up.
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@se05239 I never am toxic to folk who aren't toxic to me. What created the cesspool was toxic people being toxic to people just trying to have fun, and then they are converted into toxic people who then spread further toxicity.
Me being toxic to a toxic person doesn't breed more toxicity. Me being toxic to a new player or person just trying to have fun would.
That is the most time I've ever said toxic that much.
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@KillermainBTWm8 The most nodding does is show you acknowledge that you probably won't let them live.
A quick mori tap means if they screw up again, that's it for them, at least when I do it.
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@KillermainBTWm8 Ehhhhh... I see your point there...
But I like being toxic to survivors who were toxic to me.
Or at the very least giving a warning to toxic survivors by pressing the mori button once and hooking them.
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@se05239 But Clown has the best mori spam .0.
To be fair some people begin the mori but then notice another survivor, thus they stop and chase that one. It's what I do. It's a niche situation but still there.
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Eh, it's not terrible. I myself enjoy playing a bit of Legion time to time even though they got their ner- I'm sorry, rework.
Don't worry about what other people say, just take in the salt or close the message box in the end screen if you are on PC.
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This has been asked for many times, and while unfortunate, the Devs and Mods already said no. There are hundreds of skins, and Prestige doesn't have an overlay effect, it's a entirely new skin in and out of itself.
Much as I wish it, hoping for it won't make it so.
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There are these beautiful items called Maps, if you can't find/use a Rainbow Map, use the regular one with the Red Twine add on.
Boom, NoEd countered.
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What @Warlock_2020 said.
Though what KYF does need to have is special game modes that can be tested out. Like 2v8, some sort of Capture the Flag, or anything that people can test out.
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What?
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@0EvanRaven That isn't entirely accurate. Myers and Ghost Face both have built in insta downs and both have two iridescent add ons, of which Ghost Face needs a iridescent add on rework as both are 'Meh'.
@Raven014 The Iridescent Button is actually really good now, being able to freely vault pallets and breaking it without needing to first hit some body shuts down a lot of loops. I believe you meant the Fuming Mixtape.
And all killers deserve iridescents, and since Nurse and the Chainsaw Brothers are getting their add ons looked into, this is a perfect opportunity.