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I just got a 53 mins Ban when i was trying play as killer with the Plague, because the loading screen got frozen for 20 mins and i had to force close the game, yesterday my game crashed 2 times and seems it stacked with today when i force close the game, i wrotte the suport but seems i m not getting answer.
This patch its a mistake, now killers can be as toxic as they want because they know survs get banned if DC, this last 2 days i see all killlers doing facecamp and tunnel to death + pink mori, just because they dont fear be punished by survs with a DC, so they just are the most toxic possible with the hope survs give up and suicide, and if not just pink mori they. They now can also make survs their slaves and force them to do engines, then destroy the engine and force they to built the engine again in a infinite loop of farming, because survs cant DC anymore against toxic behaviours on killers.
It also punish killers since survs are also killers when they play as killers, this opressive system its gonna hurt killers and survs, and leave the field open to facecamping, tunneling, slugging, and all the toxic stuff a killer wants to do, since survs dosnt have anymore a tool to punish a bad behaviour on the killer, not to mention getting banned 24 hours cuz the loading screens are bugged as hell.
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@HawkAyeTheNoo said:
I watched a well known streamer the other night try loop a huntress in the shack, the huntress totally outplayed him/her and hit him/her through the window with a hatchet, normal hatchet. It was an amazing shot. Outplayed, the streamer DCs. Salty and crying because he/she got owned by a very clever huntress.
People see this and think "if its ok for this big streamer to dc its must be ok for me". Theres no punishment, no timeout. Instead he/shes invited to DBD headquarters in March to meet the devs and other streamers. Has previous and this is only one example of his/hers many many DCs due to saltyness.
People dont care anymore because they dont fear any punishment so we're seeing the number of DCs rising and getting worse. If theres no punishment people will abuse it and abusing it they are.
Have a nice day.this same can be said now in the opositte, now killers can be as toxic as they want because they know survs get banned if DC, this last 2 days i see all killlers doing facecamp and tunnel to death + pink mori, just because they dont fear be punished by survs with a DC, so they just are the most toxic possible with the hope survs give up and suicide, and if not just pink mori they. They now can also nake survs their slaves and force them to do engines, then destroy the engine and force they to built the engine again in a infinite loop of farming, because survs cant DC anymore against toxic behaviours on killers.
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@AlwaysInAGoodShape said:
From:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/319894/p1First time you DC you get a pass, maybe your internet played up.
Second time it should be a 15 minute wait before you can get back into a lobby.
Third time and it's an hour wait to get into a lobby.
Fourth time a 3 hour wait.
Fifth time 24 hour ban.
Any following disconnections then result in another 24 hour ban.(resets after a day without disconnecting/disconnection penalty)
I think that would work.
i just got 53 min ban for a game crash, the loading screen got frozen for more than 20 mins and i had to force close the game, seems your dream came true at the cost of make others suffer.
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@SteelDragon said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/897410#Comment_897410
it was red ranks SWF, my ruin was dead in under 30 seconds, coldwind Thompson house map
Ruin its crap totem based skill, its a luck skill, you depend of luck they fiind it or not, if you cant play withouth ruin, you should use tanatophobia instead, you should not play in a toxic way just because someone its trying to survive and had to do your ruin in order to do his engines, some ppl dont know how to lose with dignity, you can facecamp and slugging but they cant do your ruin ?? are they supossed just walk to you and give you the kill or what ?? Freddy its yet a OP/p2w killer you can literally teleport to any place of the map, why dont you relax and do your match instead of slugging and ruin the match for everyone? you dont notice by rushing to kill, camping and slugging you are shutting down the match for everyone and doing less points yourself plus forcing downrank and bad points on survS ?? you are inmortal, you dont lose anything for playing, just play your match and do some points, even if you kill 4 survs thats only 1 of your emblems, try fill your other emblems. farm points, be fair, make the match be worth to be played by you and survs, dont be toxic just to scrap some sacrifice points, this is only 1 of your objetives, ppl its gonna do your ruin hundred of times, try get over it and dont rage on it like a ******, SWF dosnt mean anything i m always on a swf when i dont play as killer, we all are very bad, our red rank dosnt even infinite loop, we dont use tools to rush engines, most of swf are just party of friends and belive me they are more weak than 4 red rank survs selected just by matchmaking. The killer its the Director of the match, do not act desperate, think if you are sufering cuz the ruin, maybe that surv its also sufering because his gf its on the hook and you slugged him so cant rescue her, he dont even have the silly chance of do a suicide rescue to save her, because you raged on them for do a totem that its meant to be done, think survs are not NPCs there so you can gind, they are also ppl likes you, with feelings and all.
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@MeIIo said:
Ghost Face is the PTB when he got buffed was fine, I don't know why he got nerfed...one of the worst decisions dead by daylight devs have ever made.
Number one, A survivor should not be able to reveal ghost face while hooked, I dont give a ######### about the logic "Oh the survivor can see ghost face on the hook so he can reveal him" No that's ######### bullshit. How is it fair in the slightest that a survivor who is dying on a hook, can get free points by looking at the killer?
Number two, I've been in many games as Ghost face when i'm having a stalkoff with a survivor, and somehow he/she reveals me when I crouch behind a rock, the reveal is delayed A LOT and needs to be fixed.
When I played Ghost Face in the PTB, here's something for you Devs that you might find crazy! I actually had FUN playing him! YEAH! I have no idea, I don't know why the ######### you nerfed him! the only people who were complaining are rank 20 survivors who were getting bodied, they just need to get gud. Please give us back the buffed Ghost Face we had in the PTB before he ends up like Freddy and Plague as a low-tier killer.
I dont agree, as killer playing Ghostface its almost every match i get 2,3 or 4 DC players just in the moment they see me, they dont even try run away like with other killers, since i would oneshot him in less of 2 seconds.
i dont likes waith 10 mins to do a match and get 4 DC because someone likes you want a killer that makes fall death all survs just looking at them. Ghost face its a very insidious killer yet, having black clothes by default crouching faster than pig, stealth mode when try be sneaky but also in chase, basically denie terror radious on chase and not on chase, he totally automatized with surv skills like "spine chilling" gettting visual and sound alerts when someone looks at him, he has aura reading skills but in oposite of Leather face that is slow and need hook survs, or Nurse that get fatigue and gets blind plus need hurt a surv, ghost face only need start the match and waith sitting to activate "all ears" and boom there is your aura reading skill activated, he can stalk like mayers but in less of 1 sec, he can oneshot, he can denie chase and grab from engines with easy, for most survivors its yet just not worth play against him since he denie chase, denie the 2 hits chase, and can camp the hooks in stealth mode so you will insta die in less of a min with all points denied and a -1 rank, making the match unworth to be played for survs, he literally has no counter and the only counter its stay quiet in front him and sending to him viisual and sounds alert of where you are but since he apply the veil faster, he will oneshot you anyways, he has almost zero disventages being a better Mayers, a better Legion, and a better pig, he only miss teleport like Nurse to be a God. Ghost face its a new generation killer with extrem stealth, aura reading skills, and the modern oneshot weapons, compared to him the nerfed Nurse its not even Tier A having so many cooldowns and disventages in everything compared to him, in fact you almost dont see Nurse on high ranks anymore but more Spirits, modern killers with oneshot weapons its proved to be the evolution to top Tier killers, even the new killer from charperter 14(that demon samurai ancestor of Yamaoka family) its also a sprint + oneshot weapon.
I belive most of ppl that complain about ghost face being weak its ppl that bought it with p2w spectatives but they dont really know how play as killer, go try the Trapper or Billy, or Huntress or even the Nurse or Mayers, then go back to ghost face and you will see you are driving an high tech automatized oneshot machine.
Speciaally after instaheals got deleted, all oneshot killers, feels pretty unfair and use to cause DC on Survs, making him more OP isnt gonna give you more kills but the opposite, the game its yet more balanced for killers than survs, since Freddy re-work, Demogorgon, pallets and medikits nerf, ghost face releasse, and other new killers, the amount of teleport/sprint/oneshot killers is very high, not even deleting pink mori you wouldnt be in the same spot that survs are actually.
As you said yourself, you just need to get gud, and if not just use a pink mori, counting killers cant die and you get points by just walking around stabbing ppl, and you play as ghost face a oneshoter ultra stealth killer, just get better man or the next time you need play as huntress or any other old killer you gonna sufer a lot, ghost face can end a match in less of 3 mins with easy, dont complain about it, he is basically what all killers was asking for, a oneshoter killer that have it easy to destroy the matc in few seconds withouth care about any emblems but sacrifice all 4 survs in 2 mins and able to camp in invisible mode in case someone thought can be rescued.
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@Kurisataru said:
Ive been playing this game since Dec.2018. Mained survivor till about march or april then switched to killer main. Ive hit red ranks as both and so I feel like I understand this game as it is since then to now to have a say. Honestly, survivors really are easier to play. Survivors have way too many advantages that countless killers have stated before from swf to busted (now currently half-fixed) sounds, the layout and palette/window rng being too good, killer theyre going against, and what not. but something I want to address here that I have seen a few times and needs to be spammed like crazy are the ABSOLUTE IMBALANCE of instaheals. Sometimes 1 instaheal is enough to end the game for the killer. Good survivors and survive with friends and god forbid a group of good swf should not have insta heals in their arsenal. Its crap like this that makes some killers derank themselves out of red ranks and down with the baby survivors. The loud majority of this community seem to be survivor mains and it seems like the devs really dont listen to killers until killers throw months and months of spat at them (like with sounds for killers and spirit, and DS from what I've seen). And they care more to listen to survivors like with Legion issues, nerfed Plague for survivors, (I heard rumors of nerfing ghostface for survivors, unsure if true), and the fact that even survivors want to see freddy buffed even though when killers were begging for it they didnt seem to give a crap for a whole year or so.
Devs need to understand that this game will always be toxic and killers will always be angry with them if they don't stop listening to all these survivor main players. They bully killers, they bully each other, and don't even realize that they have so many second chance perks inflating their egos and too many times a killer playing better than a survivor doesnt matter when they're running adrenaline and instaheals with dead hard, mom, whatever other millions of second chance perks they have and a swf or a person or few on their team who is also good on top of their second chance perks. don't even get me started on the good chasers with botany and selfcare, why the heck should they have instaheals when even i as a survivor can make killers ragequit or just lose hope with how often i will get chased and heal in no time with botany x sc without even needing a medkit. Baby survivors can learn from the massive amounts of survivor main streamers and youtubers out there, they dont need so much second chance perks that can get in the hands of skilled survivors that make even great killers going against them imbalanced. Nobody wants to be stuck only having to use the same 2 killers to go against crazy swf because the devs don't want to ignore the ignorant survivors who call killers op because they couldnt be loltoxic for their amateur twitch channels. I am not at all addicted to this game and I have taken a 2 month break from it recently but kept up with the news on it. I honestly cant keep playing this game if they're going to keep helping skilled survivors stay imbalanced. Seriously survivor is far easier than killer and 10/10 times if i'm a survivor and I get caught by a killer it's because I made a mistake, or I let the killer outplay me by not being smart enough. Not because the killer was swinging like a mad person and being "op". Stop letting survivor main ignorance run the balance feedback.
as you can see for the nerf, inbalance now its balanced to protect crying baby killers, now insta heal its garbage and cost 7000 points, so much crying for a 1 use item that destroy your medikit, when you can insta heal many times with a green medikit or inner strength from Nancy or Steave 2nd Breath, lmao you are inmortal, and you have 4 emblems hook 4 survivors isnt even your objetive, as i said too much cry for a 1 hit more item that destroy your medikit, you are an inmortal being, if insta heal was nerfed i think now its fair killer can be hitted by survivors like "Friddayy 13th" videogame, i think the fair thing to do now its survs can kill the killer like in that game to balance the instaheal nerf.
You as killer should learn fill your 4 emblems, play with the food, and play your 4 emblems, rushing to kill all 4 survs in 10 seconds its the same than gen rush, its play 1 single emblem and objetive, insta heals make the match few seconds longuer, and give extra points to survs and killer, its very silly complain about a item that give more points to survs and killers, if you want rush to killl and destroy the match in 10 seconds its not the survs problem, but your lack of knowdgle about emblems problem, still got balanced in your favour and now its trash so stop crying plz.
I play as Surv and killer 50%, i have never complainned about a medikit since as killer i m aware i m inmortal and i cant be killed and i get points by just walking around and do few hits, instaheals and chase 3 seconds more a surv, never was a problem to me, in all case an extra chase wich means extra points, if you count there is killers like Ghost face that can oneshot survs in less than 3 seconds, its rediculous you complain about a medikit.
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@Johnny_XMan said:
They aren’t terrible but the fact that you have to stop and use it is.
They need to allow survivor to be able to use them while running.
ironic comment i guess, still i think not a silly thing, since you have killers like ghost face that can apply the veil in 0.70 seconds, then sprint burst with no terror radious to you, and oneshot you. So even if you say it ironically, i think use it on chase would be a nice buff against that rusher killers that ccan end the match in less than 3 mins.
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Yeah you need juke him or find a pallet and drop it in front him, if you was lucky and skilled enough you do that, you inject yourself, then killer break pallet, hit you and kill you before the injectiom do effect, if you are extremly skilled maybe you dont get hit and manage to loop him 10 seconds more, still the injction do nothing you get downed and killed, and now if you are extrem infinite looper hardocore player, maybe you manage to loop 16 seconds and get insta heal, but since he still its chassing you he will eventually hit you because the killer has to be so bad to dont do it after more than 30 seconds of chase and breaking pallets loop, so at the end you also die. As you can see no matter what situation, its a useless item now.
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@Desolate_Sands said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/810707#Comment_810707
Idk what you are even trying to get across to me. Instaheals were ridiculous in their previous state, and are still useful even post nerf. You either get a passive heal mid-chase or a 3rd health state on demand, how people don't think that is useful is beyond me.
easy, imagine that, you wear a medikit, you get wounded, you loop and distract the killer, you inject yourself with a 7000 points item, your medikit get destroyed, you loop the killer for an infinite 15 seconds, he hit you, you get downed and die, wasted a medikit and a pink add-on and got nothing in exange, when you could easy run Inner strength from Nancy that heal you in half of the time and skip Nurse calling aura reading skill, or Steave 2nd breath that heal you in chase every time you get unhooked, both skills works faster and better, you dont need wwaste 7000 points on them, and even a low lvl self heal skill at lvl 1 green, its faster and you will be healed before the injection do anything, lol even brown medikits that are a 3000 points items, heal faster than this crap. So its a useless item and a crazzy expensive item that will not heal you before you heal yourself or a team mate heal you.
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@Desolate_Sands said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/810500#Comment_810500
How about you can heal in the middle of a chase with a killer? It still works almost as good but just isn't ridiculous by taking downed survivors to full hp instantly.
If you can't make a chase last longer than 8 seconds idk what to tell you.
heal in middle of a chase its nothing bad, you can do it with Steave skill (2nd breath), steave can do it in fact every time he get rescued, and no one cry about it, its 1 time use item, if you as killer cant deal with hit 1 more time a wounded surv in a whole match, then the problem its yours, insta heal dont heal to full HP, only heal 1 state, it dosnt even work against the plague, and its a 1 time use item, meanning you destroy your medikit when you use it, a green madikit its a lot more dangerous since you can instaheal many times in the match with it, by the way its 16 seconds not 8 and you need juke the killer first so you can inject yourself, and idk if its bugged or what because my friend had time to selfheal himself with self heal skill "lvl 1 green", before the injection did effect, so as you can see its a useless item, and you are babycrying about a medikit that dosnt even heal and get destroyed when you use it, when you have killers like gohstface that oneshot survivors and hook them in less than 3 seconds, in fact a good Ghostface killer can oneshot all survs and end the match in less than 3 mins.
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@Venoxxie said:
So, I just wanna know thoughts and opinions is all. I know a lot of people are mad because we survivors no longer have an insta heal and yet killers still have an insta down perk not to mention we've already had one shot killers still and blah blah blah.
However, I just had a debate with a friend on Styptic Agent and he actually seems to think it's a buff (now, he likes to play killer and thinks he HAS to tunnel as killer to win so I'm gonna go out on a limb already and say he's not that good in the first place even though he claims he's reached rank 1 in the past).
His claim is it'll be powerful against one shot killers and it might be because insta heal, you could still one shot the person anyway meanwhile Endurance, you still have to hit them again. But A) not all killers are one shot killers, B) even if you happen to lose the killer after using the Agent, they could still hear you moaning in pain, and C) if you were to use it to take a hit you could do that while healthy too... and you could get a second "take the hit" in even if insta heal was going to remain a thing. But no one really uses their medkits to take a hit for someone and no one wants to stay injured just to use endurance.
To me, it's about the same with a slight nerf (since you'll still be heard clearly even after using it and killers rely on sound if they lose a survivor).
insta heal its now useless, dont waste 7000 Bloodpoints in a useless item, for 3000 points brown medikitsare more fast and effective, i have try it myself, i put the insta heal on a friend that i rescued, he had to selfheal himsef, and he did it before the insta heal do it, it just dont do the job its meant to do, its faster heal yourself with basic self healing, the 2nd function of insta heal its also ruinned, you could use it in a loop to get 1 extra hit, but now the killer enters in chase mode before you get healed, so you waste your medikit and still die in 2 hits before you get healed, not to mention if the killer has oneshot weapons.
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@mcNuggets said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/542002#Comment_542002
You play a different game I guess, try civilization 5. xD
After the obvious jokes were made:
Ghostface in fact is weak, his power grants you stalking ability, but good survivors (red ranks) can annulate this power very easily.
It's not hard to look at someone, if you have eyes in the head.
A SWF or Object of Obsession completely ######### Ghostface up and there is nothing the killer can do about it. Their power becomes useless.
In my opinion, you shouldn't be able to break ghostface out of his power without being NEAR him. I mean like near him 32 meters range at max and then look at him for 1.5 seconds with a clear audio cue for ghostface.
And when being in a chase (which should only be possible when going after someone for more than 3 seconds) the power ends (or when you hit someone, NOT stab the air)
i think i maybe try civilization 5 but you should play Fortnite and forget about DBD, high rank players are the same than others, i have a friend that its rank 1 red and he dont know even how to infinite loop, you are talking nonsense, looking at him just break his stelth but not his oneshot power, ghost face literally dont give a crap you look at him, in fact i have that killer and when a survivor looks at me i get a visual and sound signal, cant be more automatized, its like spinie chill for killers. So the counter basically its an spine chill for him, you break his stealth mode and he just have to walk in the signal direction and oneshot you, he dont see you ? np just stalk randomly in 360º and since takes less of 1 sec stalk he sure catch someone. So keep looking at him lmao when i play as Goat face i m glad ppl likes you look at me giving me signals where to oneshot you. Goat Face its p2w, maybe the Nurse its nice at super high rank with super ultimate meta skills in the hands of a super skilled player, but goat face its p2w because withouth using 1 single skill i can literally oneshot a whole party of 4 survivors in less of 3 mins and i m very bad player as killer, even if Goat face has problems at high ranks in all the other ranks and lvls has no counter and its imposible to escape him, in the opposite of Nurse that if its low lvl ppl literally has to do friendly to her so she can stab someone.
No matter how you say it, Goat Face its OP, he its overpowered because its a uncharismatic killer and ppl laughed long on him in Scary Movie franchise, thats why to sold it, they did it OP, he oneshot like mayers, run like legion, crouch like Nea, sprint like Meg, has spine chill signal when survivors look at his back, stealth when crouched or chase, crouch like the pig, black clothes by default (in other killers like the pig black clothes cost 10$), he has aura reading skill but to activate he only have to sit and waith someone make noise while Nurse need do a hit to activate Nurse calling, and Leather face its slow and need hook a survivor to activate BBQ, Goat Face has literally not weak points, his only counter its look at him for 5 seconds while oneshot you takes less of 1 sec for him, and if you do the counter and look him, he get visual and sound signals, jesucrist just need teleport like the Nurse lol. Goat Face its p2w, and ppl who pay for p2w dont care he struggle at high ranks, since p2w ppl has no honor or pride so they dont mind stay at low ranks as long they be OP against low lvl survivors, what a p2w customer wants its the opositte of a Nurse wich is extremly painfull to lvl up but free and only OP at super high rank.
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@Shad03 said:
Normally I would ignore people like you due to you having such a joke name, but I wanna let you know Pig is not my main, do I care if a already weak killer gets even weaker? Sure, but I don't care about her enough to be delusional about whenever there is a perk to counter her.
However, the Traps the Pig uses is the one she places on your head. The Jigsaw Boxes themselves aren't necessarily traps, they are a minigame. I would've taken you more seriously even with your name if you just haven't went to joking in your comment.
But let me reiterate, the Jigsaw Boxes have dangerous sharp holes you must stick your hand in and if you mess up, you get a cut. It would make more sense that you want to be as slow as possible to avoid cutting yourself up more then you already would. They aren't traps, they are something used to get traps off your head.
Also dont juzgue ppl for their name, better look on my steam profile and the hours i played this game. And about ghost face i just want say its a p2w killer that wasnt releassed with a counter survivor in the DLC, so has no counter, and if struggle at rank 1 its something no one cares cuz ppl that pay for p2w items or chars just care about win 100 matches downranking on prupose, they dont want to be a free to play nurse that sufer agony during 3 prestiges and 20 ranks to be OP, they pay to get easy kills, and thats why ghost face being a very uncharismatic killer its getting sold so well, ghost face works perfectly to that p2w function, and needs a nerf because p2w its something i dont want in my game and ruin the whole game just because few kids want pay to onshot low lvl survivors, its a silly bussyness model and the best way to kill your own game.
What you are doing here its like see the movie of saw and when the girl its tied to the chair, with a bomb-bear trap in the head, you say the chair its not a trap cuz....its a chair...and the bomb its not a trap cuz...its a bomb lol go tell that to the girl suffering it lmao
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@Shad03 said:
I wasn't gonna answer, since I knew you wouldn't get the point, but this is in fact my last reply to you on this thread.
First off, I know several people who don't have English as their mother tongue, and they have better grammar, but that wasn't a legitimate point I was making, I could write an essay on your mistakes but that would be going too far.
Now this is going to be a dozy, but as my last reply it'll not matter how long it is. I hope this will get past your thick skull.
1."The Reverse Bear Traps maybe. And the main function of the Boxes is to free yourself of the trap. It's a solution to the problem and won't actually kill you on it's own":
"That a plain fallacy, this traps are not a solution, a killer its there to kill you, not to save you,(well maybe in the movie wanted save you, but no one in this game do)"
Misuse of the word Fallacy, since I clearly stated that the ENTITY made the boxes.
"The traps function its not kill, but trap, thats why are called traps, but even with that, they hurt you, they make you lose time"
The boxes aren't [Bad Word] traps. There is no time limit in the game, disregarding the other survivors being hunted, so until the timer starts on the RBT, you have all the time in the world. The RBT was made to kill, both in the game and in the movie.
"and they can get you killed in atleast 4 ways: cutting your hands to make you scream and spot you, same than Trapper traps do, since you cant waste time healing you will leave lots of blood and get spotted again, just dont giving you the key and making the bomb explode, and last making the laugh sound to spot you while you have your hands trapped."
The wrist cut doesn't actually do anything, holy hell how many times do I have to say it? And UNLESS the killer is a tunneler or happens to be in the immediate area, that is useless. Trapper's traps is a sudden SNAP sound, so even if survivors don't scream, the trap will make a sound to alert the Trapper. And you can 'waste time' healing if the trap isn't even active. The RBT isn't a bomb niether. It's a trap that rips your jaw apart.
The laugh sound happens if the box doesn't have the key, which means by thst time you are free to move, like you were able to any time.
"Its not a solution to the problem, it could be before end of the world patch,"
It's the Entity's solution to having a damned active trap on your head. Also it's Endgame Collapse, you illiterate.... Lovely person.
"but now pigs only use the bear traps to force you go to the box traps, so they can spot you and kill you,"
This implies the Pig was tunneling you
"in fact bear traps dont even explode at the exit gates anymore, so they are even less of a trap than the box since they dont even trap you"
For balance reasons of course the traps aren't active if they are put on once the last generator was done. But they are still a trap whether or not they are active.
2."The boxes seen in game never appeared in the movies":
"It dosnt matter the box are not in the movies, the traps of the movies not being in the game its irrelevant,"
It does matter, and it is relevant. Since the Pig (Amanda) was taken straight from the movie, it's canon to Dead by Daylight.
"the important thing in the movies you see ppl die through diferent random crazy traps, they could be a box that cut your hands or a bear trap, or a shotgun that only make noise, or a bird with a bomb inside, no matter if they dont look like a trap, they are traps to kill and this game copied that lore perfectly."
The only difference is, Amanda, who is in fact the Pig killer that we play, rigs her games to be UNBEATABLE, as in, even if you did everything right, you would die. So by your own logic, no, the game didn't copy the lore perfectly.
3."They don't bring you down a healthstate nor are you actually stuck. If you'veplayed the game at all you would know this. The bleeding is only temporary and you don't scream unless you fail a skill check.":
"Another fallacy, they bring you down x2 health states if the killer use the grab,"
Another misuse of the word, as I am 100% correct in this instance. You are ASSUMING the killer will follow the one person who shouldn't be doing gens and was hooked previously. So no, it doesn't bring you down a healthstate or two normally.
"its basically an insta hook trap, the bleeding its ALWAYS temporary, and fail an skill check its a cuestion of stadistic,"
Failing a skillcheck does not hurt you, just makes the killer aware you are finding a key.
"if you think being very good will make you never fail an skillcheck, then you never studied maths at school."
I'm a mediocre survivor. But I don't need a degree in rocket science to know how to hit a good or great skillcheck. Over the course of my survivor gameplays I've rarely missed a good skill check when trying to get a trap off my head.
"If you ever played this game you would know only a friendly noob pig before "end of the world""
Endgame Collapse.
"patch would let you play with the boxes, any pig that want make a kill will inmediatly go in stealth mode, follow your bleeding and insta down you at the box trap, if want achive a kill withouth end infinite pallet looped like a noob."
Not all killers are complete and utter [Bad Word]holes like you.
4."The boxes are just there to make a visual representation of a survivor having a chance":
"If you think that you should be the worst pig killer on the game, just because you dont know how to use them to insta down survivors dosnt mean they are useless, if you want learn how to do it just read point 3."
Dude, I've already stated that I am not a Pig Main. I might very well be the wost Pig Player in the game, but that doesn't disregard my point that only [Bad Word]holes or complete and utter noobs go for the one person who's life is on the line when they could go for literally anyone else.
5."Unlike the Pig's RBT, you can manually free yourself from Bear Traps set by the Trapper. And unlike the Trapper, the Pig's Traps have one definitive box that always has the key for every trap placed on your head, it's just your luck if you find the right box.":
"i dont see the diference, in bobth case its a question of luck you manage to manually free yourself, with the trapper traps or the pig ones, in all case the pig ones are more elaborated traps and harder to get free yourself, something you cant do withouth the boxes cuz are part of the trap."
The difference, my poor friend, is that RBT keys are set in stone which Box has the key. The luck isn't based on which box has the key, it'sbased on if YOU happen to have found the right box, while the Trapper's Trap is PURE luck whether you get out or not. One has a definite solution, the other doesn't. That, and with the Trapper you are actually stuck in place while if you are searching a box and you see the Pig coming for you, you can freely stop checking the box. Meaning you aren't trapped in place.
6."The Pig's trap is the one placed on your head, without the boxes it can't be removed, but the boxes themselves are not traps, they are solutions to a trap granted by the Entity."
"they are not, in the movie the traps from jigaw had a chance to free yourself because he say, you can free yourself through suffer (through suffer his traps),"
You forgot one key detail, can you guess what that is?
Mhm. That is JOHN we are talking about, John, the first Jigsaw.
The one who, in his sick twisted way, wants people to appreciate life.
AMANDA is the killer we are playing as, and she never gives her victims a fair chance.
"that was his philosophy, its nothing of a solution, watch the movies again, its a soul salvation through enduring,"
His philosophy, not Amanda's. Please tell me you aren't completely brain dead.
"idk if here the entity grants it, but in the movies was jigsaw the one granting liberation through pain, wich is a twisted logic and thats why police wanted jail him, because if you suffered yet the pain and maybe cutted your hands, the soul liberation its worthless."
It was the Entity who created the boxes as a means of giving survivors the chance to not die, and thus give them hope. If it were up to Amanda, none of the survivors would ever get to live. But it's not up to her, and that's why the survivors have a chance to live.
"Also as you has stated you cant free yourself withouth that box, meanning they wouldnt leave you escape withouth that boxes so wouldnt work like the trapper traps,"
Except the difference is you can let go of the interaction button, and as you stated yourself, if placed once the Final Generator, the traps are useless and therefore you don't need to remove it.
"but since they are there, you can free yourself same like with the trapper, wich means they are part of the trap,"
They aren't controllable though. You can control when a trap is put on, but you can't decide which box has the key. As stated before, the boxes are just a solution that was presented when asked how to remove the RBTs.
"and they are basically WHAT ITS KEEPING YOU TRAPPED, so they are traps, also trapper traps always have a chance to free yourself,"
No to that first half, as you CAN stop searching and just walk away before finishing the box. By that logic the item chests are also traps.
The difference between a Jigsaw Box and the Trapper's traps, is that you can always stop searching and it won't hurt you ON IT'S OWN, while the Trapper's Traps WILL KEEP YOU IN PLACE until you are grabbed or freed by any means.
"specially with "slippery meat" perk wich still dont make sense only afects to him"
Trap your arm in something that you can slide in easily, but not out as much. Then cover your trapped arm in something slippery and then try pulling out. Tell me what happens.
"but not the pig,"
The boxes are said to slit your wrists with sudden movement. It would be counter productiveto cause injury to yourself when safe then sorry is key.
"the hag, or the new freddy"
Now you're just reaching at straws here. If you truly don't see how moronic that statement is, then I'm glad this is my last reply.
"because the perk lore its about being hard to get catched on a trap,"
It's actually how much more easier it is to escape, not to avoid getting caught. It's counter productive to slit your wrists more when searching a box.
"and if dosnt help you with the boxes, then its DOING HIS FUNCTION properly."
?????????? I think you meant it's not doing it'sfunction properly, in which case you are wrong.
Now a better buff for Slippery meat would be to make the Wiggle Meter fill up faster when grabbed, as that would make more sense. Sorta make it a counter to Iron Grasp.
i m sorry but i m not going bother on read that bunch of crap from a grammar Nazi likes you, who think insulting my grammar will makes your arguments better, you dont know how to use the boxes (wich is laughable) and you are making worst the problem for the Pig since you seems totally unware the bear traps are usless nowdays, so there is no point argue more with you, you are delusional and trying to denie my arguments but the point was protect the pig from a "slippery meat" buff and since you dont seems understand the problem for the pig with the useless bear traps and the relationship with "end of the world" patch, or how to use the box traps, so honeslty not point answer you more, cya and GL with that noob mentallity about the key being salvation and not a bait, you will fail as killer and as survivor if you keep like that, not that i care tbh, i m not here to teach you play or be your babysitter. Learn the game or unninstall, not my problem.
PS: As you can see i express myself perfectly and you understand me, so no problem with my grammar, not that you have an amazing speech too, you seems the usual internet hater that get lost in his own arguments and making worst the problem that tryed to solve, so i just can laugh about your arrogant kid attitud.
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@Shad03 said:
@GhostfaceneedaNerf Lemme break this up so I can specifically answer parts of your argument, couldn't do it earlier since I had been on my phone.
I won't even get into how bad your grammar is. You're welcome.
"I repeat you yes they are traps, The pig its a traps playstyle killer,"
The Reverse Bear Traps maybe. And the main function of the Boxes is to free yourself of the trap. It's a solution to the problem and won't actually kill you on it's own.
The boxes seen in game never appeared in the movies, and if this were like the movies then the Pig would have a 100% kill rate, as she never fights fair.
They don't bring you down a healthstate nor are you actually stuck. If you'veplayed the game at all you would know this. The bleeding is only temporary and you don't scream unless you fail a skill check.
"so they are traps to spot you and kill you, with a small chance to find the key"
The boxes are just there to make a visual representation of a survivor having a chance, a good survivor could easily do the boxes without getting found via missed skill checks.
"wich is totally irrelevant since even Trapper traps have that small chance to escape of the trap."
Unlike the Pig's RBT, you can manually free yourself from Bear Traps set by the Trapper. And unlike the Trapper, the Pig's Traps have one definitive box that always has the key for every trap placed on your head, it's just your luck if you find the right box.
TL;DR
The Pig's trap is the one placed on your head, without the boxes it can't be removed, but the boxes themselves are not traps, they are solutions to a trap granted by the Entity.
A single Reverse Bear Trap will always have a definitive Box to go with it. It's a 1/4 chance YOU find the box, not a 1/4 chance that the box you search will have the key (meaning that the box can either be the closest one to you, or the furthest one once the bear trap is on).
This is different from the Trapper as there will always be a chance to free yourself or be freed by others.
I couldnt care less about my grammar since its not my mother language, and i lived a long time in Scottland and ppl wasnt a jerk or complain about it like you do now, plus many young ppl in UK writte a lot worst than me through mobile phone messages, so yeah...i couldnt care less, specially because they cheered me up for speak 3 languages and work like the best of them so thats the important thing. Now leaving behind the grammar nazis and insults, lets go about your arguments:
1."The Reverse Bear Traps maybe. And the main function of the Boxes is to free yourself of the trap. It's a solution to the problem and won't actually kill you on it's own":
Thats a plain fallacy, bear traps are more irrelevant than never since end of the world they dont explode in the exit and dont keep you "trapped". The boxes in the opposite can get you killed atleast in 4 ways: Denie the key and make the bomb explode, make the laugh sound and spot you, stop you from healing to make you bleed and spot you through your bleeding, getting catch on the trap and insta hooked. They are traps, its what keep you trapped, withouth them you would insta die or insta free yourself, the only reasson you are trapped its cuz the box, they are not a solution, THE KEY ITS THE BAIT NOT THE SOLUTION, you can actually do engines and escape with a bear trap in your head and if the killer its next to you the timmer will stop.
2"The boxes seen in game never appeared in the movies".
If they are in the movie or not its irrelevant, the movies are about ppl dying to crazzy traps, it could be a bird with a bomb inside(in that case you sure say the bird isnt a trap right ? but a bird...) it could be a shotgun that make noise instead of shot to make the killer find you, or whatever, in all case the game captured the essence of the weird crazzy traps with that boxes and bear traps, withouth the boxes you wouldnt have the feeling of have to escape to diferent traps.
3."They don't bring you down a healthstate nor are you actually stuck. If you'veplayed the game at all you would know this. The bleeding is only temporary and you don't scream unless you fail a skill check.":
Thats another fallacy, You have your hands trapped, if you get scared and try run they will cut you and you will scream, and they will slow down your escape, they bring you down x2 health state when killer use the grab, if you think being good will allow you to never fail an skill check then you never studied stadistic or maths at the school, if you ever played this game you will know you scream when fail skillcheck or the pig spawn behind you and you force the disengage with the box so thats 2 situations not 1, as you can see you are full of lies and half-trues.
Only a noob/friendly pig would let you play with the boxes after "end of the world" patch, if you would play as pig atleast 2 or 3 times, you would knew the most easy way to do the first kill its get in stealth mode, follow the bleeding of the survivor(the bear trap only works for that, to keep them away from healing) , and then use the box trap to insta down the survivor, being the bear trap an useless tool that you need just to do that, and since end of the world, kill the first survivor asap its a priority, so you better learn to do this soon as possible or trust your bear traps and get tea bagged at the exit doors by survivors with your bear traps as hats in their heads.
4."The boxes are just there to make a visual representation of a survivor having a chance, a good survivor could easily do the boxes without getting found via missed skill checks"
If you trully belive that then you should be the worst Pig killer in the game, Its basically an insta hook trap, just because you dont know how to use them to insta down survivors dosnt mean they are useless. If you want learn to instadown survivors with the box trap, just read point 3.
5."Unlike the Pig's RBT, you can manually free yourself from Bear Traps set by the Trapper. And unlike the Trapper, the Pig's Traps have one definitive box that always has the key for every trap placed on your head, it's just your luck if you find the right box.":
I dont see the diference its cuestion of luck in both case that you free yourself from trapper or the pig in time, just the pig ones are more elaborated traps and have more mechanism to slow you down while trpper ones are more easy to "place and forget". In both case you free yourself manually, depends of trapper add ons you will will have more luck or less, and with the pig depends of the box you will have more luck or less.
6."The Pig's trap is the one placed on your head, without the boxes it can't be removed, but the boxes themselves are not traps, they are solutions to a trap granted by the Entity."
In the movies was Jigsaw the one giving the chance of salvation through pain no the entity, so again its not true what you say, maybe in the game its the entitiy, but in the movies was Jigsaw twisted logic about find "salvation through pain", and it was a twisted logic because if you pass through pain first then your soul salvation its worthless, and thats why he was a psychokiller and police wanted jail him, otherwise he would be claimed as a hero that saves ppl.
You also seems totally unaware of how Pig main killers are complainning bear traps are absolutly useless, actually box traps its you best way to oneshot survivors by grabbing them, they are not a solution but an elaborated trap, for ppl who thinks like you, the key its not your freedom but a bait, bear traps dont trap survivors anymore, but box traps do.
PS:As you can see you dont understand how to use box traps, you dont know how to play pig, and probably all survivors will escape from you with your beloved bear traps in the head, and they will go through the exit laughing at you, because you are a full of lies and half-trues that you belive yourself, you wasted a lot of time writting a bunch of crap, that only make things worst for the Pig since the mayor complain of Main killers PIg its bear traps being useless after "end of the world" patch, so next time plz talk about the topic wich is slippery meat perk, and try dont talk about what you dont know, and specially dont tell how to play to this who actually know how to do it, or just dont talk at all about what you dont understand.
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@Shad03 said:
@GhostfaceneedaNerf Lemme break this up so I can specifically answer parts of your argument, couldn't do it earlier since I had been on my phone.
I won't even get into how bad your grammar is. You're welcome.
"I repeat you yes they are traps, The pig its a traps playstyle killer,"
The Reverse Bear Traps maybe. And the main function of the Boxes is to free yourself of the trap. It's a solution to the problem and won't actually kill you on it's own.
The boxes seen in game never appeared in the movies, and if this were like the movies then the Pig would have a 100% kill rate, as she never fights fair.
They don't bring you down a healthstate nor are you actually stuck. If you'veplayed the game at all you would know this. The bleeding is only temporary and you don't scream unless you fail a skill check.
"so they are traps to spot you and kill you, with a small chance to find the key"
The boxes are just there to make a visual representation of a survivor having a chance, a good survivor could easily do the boxes without getting found via missed skill checks.
"wich is totally irrelevant since even Trapper traps have that small chance to escape of the trap."
Unlike the Pig's RBT, you can manually free yourself from Bear Traps set by the Trapper. And unlike the Trapper, the Pig's Traps have one definitive box that always has the key for every trap placed on your head, it's just your luck if you find the right box.
TL;DR
The Pig's trap is the one placed on your head, without the boxes it can't be removed, but the boxes themselves are not traps, they are solutions to a trap granted by the Entity.
A single Reverse Bear Trap will always have a definitive Box to go with it. It's a 1/4 chance YOU find the box, not a 1/4 chance that the box you search will have the key (meaning that the box can either be the closest one to you, or the furthest one once the bear trap is on).
This is different from the Trapper as there will always be a chance to free yourself or be freed by others.
i couldnt care less about grammar since its not my mother language and i lived a long time in Scottland and no one was a jerk to me or complain about it like you do now, instead they cheered me up for talk 3 diferent languages withouth problems, not to mention many young ppl from UK talk worst than me through movile messages. Now about your arguments:
1."The Reverse Bear Traps maybe. And the main function of the Boxes is to free yourself of the trap. It's a solution to the problem and won't actually kill you on it's own":
That a plain fallacy, this traps are not a solution, a killer its there to kill you, not to save you,(well maybe in the movie wanted save you, but no one in this game do) The traps function its not kill, but trap, thats why are called traps, but even with that, they hurt you, they make you lose time and they can get you killed in atleast 4 ways: cutting your hands to make you scream and spot you, same than Trapper traps do, since you cant waste time healing you will leave lots of blood and get spotted again, just dont giving you the key and making the bomb explode, and last making the laugh sound to spot you while you have your hands trapped. Its not a solution to the problem, it could be before end of the world patch, but now pigs only use the bear traps to force you go to the box traps, so they can spot you and kill you, in fact bear traps dont even explode at the exit gates anymore, so they are even less of a trap than the box since they dont even trap you
2."The boxes seen in game never appeared in the movies":
It dosnt matter the box are not in the movies, the traps of the movies not being in the game its irrelevant, the important thing in the movies you see ppl die through diferent random crazzy traps, they could be a box that cut your hands or a bear trap, or a shotgun that only make noise, or a bird with a bomb inside, no matter if they dont look like a trap, they are traps to kill and this game copied that lore perfectly.
3."They don't bring you down a healthstate nor are you actually stuck. If you'veplayed the game at all you would know this. The bleeding is only temporary and you don't scream unless you fail a skill check.":
Another fallacy, they bring you down x2 health states if the killer use the grab, its basically an insta hook trap, the bleeding its ALWAYS temporary, and fail an skill check its a cuestion of stadistic, if you think being very good will make you never fail an skillcheck, then you never studied maths at school. If you ever played this game you would know only a friendly noob pig before "end of the world" patch would let you play with the boxes, any pig that want make a kill will inmediatly go in stealth mode, follow your bleeding and insta down you at the box trap, if want achive a kill withouth end infinite pallet looped like a noob.
4."The boxes are just there to make a visual representation of a survivor having a chance":
If you think that you should be the worst pig killer on the game, just because you dont know how to use them to insta down survivors dosnt mean they are useless, if you want learn how to do it just read point 3.
5."Unlike the Pig's RBT, you can manually free yourself from Bear Traps set by the Trapper. And unlike the Trapper, the Pig's Traps have one definitive box that always has the key for every trap placed on your head, it's just your luck if you find the right box.":
i dont see the diference, in bobth case its a question of luck you manage to manually free yourself, with the trapper traps or the pig ones, in all case the pig ones are more elaborated traps and harder to get free yourself, something you cant do withouth the boxes cuz are part of the trap.
6."The Pig's trap is the one placed on your head, without the boxes it can't be removed, but the boxes themselves are not traps, they are solutions to a trap granted by the Entity."
No they are not, in the movie the traps from jigsaw had a chance to free yourself because he say, you can free yourself through suffer (through suffer his traps), that was his philosophy, its nothing of a solution, watch the movies again, its a soul salvation through enduring, idk if here the entity grants it, but in the movies was jigsaw the one granting liberation through pain, wich is a twisted logic and thats why police wanted jail him, because if you suffered yet the pain and maybe cutted your hands, the soul liberation its worthless.
Also as you has stated you cant free yourself withouth that box, meanning they wouldnt leave you escape withouth that boxes so wouldnt work like the trapper traps, but since they are there, you can free yourself same like with the trapper, wich means they are part of the trap, and they are basically WHAT ITS KEEPING YOU TRAPPED, so they are traps, also trapper traps always have a chance to free yourself, specially with "slippery meat" perk wich still dont make sense only afects to him but not the pig, the hag, or the new freddy, because the perk lore its about being hard to get catched on a trap, and if dosnt help you with the boxes, then its not DOING HIS FUNCTION properly.
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@Shad03 said:
Normally I would ignore people like you due to you having such a joke name, but I wanna let you know Pig is not my main, do I care if a already weak killer gets even weaker? Sure, but I don't care about her enough to be delusional about whenever there is a perk to counter her.
However, the Traps the Pig uses is the one she places on your head. The Jigsaw Boxes themselves aren't necessarily traps, they are a minigame. I would've taken you more seriously even with your name if you just haven't went to joking in your comment.
But let me reiterate, the Jigsaw Boxes have dangerous sharp holes you must stick your hand in and if you mess up, you get a cut. It would make more sense that you want to be as slow as possible to avoid cutting yourself up more then you already would. They aren't traps, they are something used to get traps off your head.
Also dont juzgue ppl for their name, better look on my steam profile and the hours i played this game. And about ghost face i just want say its a p2w killer that wasnt releassed with a counter survivor in the DLC, so has no counter, and if struggle at rank 1 its something no one cares cuz ppl that pay for p2w items or chars just care about win 100 matches downranking on prupose, they dont want to be a free to play nurse that sufer agony during 3 prestiges and 20 ranks to be OP, they pay to get easy kills, and thats why ghost face being a very uncharismatic killer its getting sold so well, and it needs a nerf because p2w its something i dont want in my game and ruin the whole game just because few kids want pay to onshot low lvl survivors, its a silly bussyness model and the best way to kill your own game.
What you are doing here its like see the movie of saw and when the girl its tied to the chair, with a bomb-bear trap in the head, you say the chair its not a trap cuz....its a chair...and the bomb its not a trap cuz...its a bomb lol go tell that to the girl suffering it lmao
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@Shad03 said:
Normally I would ignore people like you due to you having such a joke name, but I wanna let you know Pig is not my main, do I care if a already weak killer gets even weaker? Sure, but I don't care about her enough to be delusional about whenever there is a perk to counter her.
However, the Traps the Pig uses is the one she places on your head. The Jigsaw Boxes themselves aren't necessarily traps, they are a minigame. I would've taken you more seriously even with your name if you just haven't went to joking in your comment.
But let me reiterate, the Jigsaw Boxes have dangerous sharp holes you must stick your hand in and if you mess up, you get a cut. It would make more sense that you want to be as slow as possible to avoid cutting yourself up more then you already would. They aren't traps, they are something used to get traps off your head.
Also dont juzgue ppl for their name, better look on my steam profile and the hours i played this game. And about ghost face i just want say its a p2w killer that wasnt releassed with a counter survivor in the DLC, so has no counter, and if struggle at rank 1 its something no one cares cuz ppl that pay for p2w items or chars just care about win 100 matches downranking on prupose, they dont want to be a free to play nurse that sufer agony during 3 prestiges and 20 ranks to be OP, they pay to get easy kills, and thats why ghost face being a very uncharismatic killer its getting sold so well, ghost face works perfectly to that p2w function, and needs a nerf because p2w its something i dont want in my game and ruin the whole game just because few kids want pay to onshot low lvl survivors, its a silly business model and the best way to kill your own game.
What you are doing here its like see the movie of saw and when the girl its tied to the chair, with a bomb-bear trap in the head, you say the chair its not a trap cuz....its a chair...and the bomb its not a trap cuz...its a bomb lol go tell that to the girl suffering it lmao
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i play killer and survivor and i agree pig its useless now, but not less than this perk. Buffing a survivor perk its not a Nerf to the killer, you can still buff the pig, or do a full re-work like they did with Freddy or make survivors die instantanely if the Pig look at them if you want, i dont care and i m not talking about the pig.
I m talking about a perk, and if a killer like the pig its in a very bad position now, and would be even worst by fixing this perk, just buff that killer lol its well know The Pig its yet the most weak killer on the game, i dont have any problem with it being buffed or reworked, but being your killer weak its not an excuse to leave a perk outdated and in a totally useless state, in fact re-working this perk would be the perfect excuse to buff the Pig, but not reworking this perk means Devs will not accept the Pig its a weak killer and they will not look on it.
Leaving this perk in a useless state also open the doors to "leaves things in a useless state" politic, what would cause Devs leave the pig in her actual useless state, so you are actually not helping your killer by saying that everything should stay as it is now.
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@Shad03 said:
Jigsaw boxes legitimately have nothing to do with traps, they hold the key to your salvation, but are not traps themselves. This buff would not make sense.
they are traps, since can be used to hunt survivors by tunneling this traps, that have your hands trapped inside, the Pig trap its not only the bomb but a whole system for what you have to go to that trap boxes that will cut your hands and make you scream and giving away your position to the killer, that boxes are part of the system to trap the survivor and denie it its silly.
The whole franchise of saw movies its about a killer that set traps. The lvl of delusional you are reaching to protect your killer its epic, i know the Pig suffered a big nerf with that bomb traps not exploding in the head of survivor at the exit gates, but the Pig traps are traps, same than Hag traps, Freddy traps, Trapper traps, Felix from Re:Zero anime or Astolfo from Fate. All them are traps and if you dont take care you will fall in that traps.
The pig its another killer that use traps to kill and what not make sense its having a skill to survive to traps and it dosnt seems afect to Freddy, Hag, or the Pig but only the Trapper, thats an obvious case of a perk that got outdated since only the Trapper set traps on that time, but now lots of killers use traps and that perk must be buffed.
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@Cymer said:
Let's analysis him, is he op?
He can Shroud himself to mask his TR, like Pig, Wraith, Tier 1 Myers, nothing special here.
He can stalk you and expose you. That's nice, but you can actively cancel that process by looking at him. You can even hide behind obstacles and use the 3th person camera to your advantage. And MYC, Hex Devour Hope and Haunted Grounds are a thing we are used to as well. Him stalking is even easier to avoid.
So can he shorten loops? No.
Does he have mobility like a Spirit, Billy or Nurse? No.
No traps.
No way of slowing the game down.
He is loopable like every other m1 so he relies to some extent on Enduring and Spirit Fury as well some perks like Ruin to slow down the game. By throwing pallets sooner you can negate half of his perks and in chase of Ruin it will buy him some seconds of time to start snowballing if he gets lucky but realistically after a minute you negated 3/4 Perks.
He has snowballing potential against oblivious Rockie survivors, but besides that I wouldn't call him op.
Lets analysis him: He can shroud so no terror radious or red light so no mind games from survivors, crouch like the pig but 100% faster, hide like wraith, stalk like mayers but in less than 1 sec when mayers needs 5 mins or even more if you play on the farm map, he oneshot survivors, he has sprint chase like Meg or Legion, run when crouching like Nea, do teabags like survivors, black clothes by default withouth need buy cosmetics, overall insane agility and speed, no counter since no counter survivor was releassed in his DLC, the supossed counter its look at him wich mostly end in the survivor giving an alert sound and visual signal to the killer, not to mention the killer dont give a crap they try counter him since you dont need stealth to oneshot the survivor and the stealth can be activated again after 60 seconds. There is nothing new true, but if you put all toguether he literally its a mix of all the good things, like oneshot from mayers withouth the negative stuff of mayers, the speed of legion withouth need hit the survivor 4 times, survivor habilitys, now add his aura reading habilitys, in the opposite of the nurse who need hurt the survivors to read auras and have many downsides like fatigue or leather face that need hook the survivors but its fat and cant run much, "all ears" skills allows you to read auras withouth do anything, you just need sit and waith until someone make noise and there its your aura reading activated withouth do anything to earn it, add also his hability to lock the engines so survivors cant gen rush, ghotface its pure p2w and has all the good stuff that killers asked for withouth 1 single downside = P2W killer
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@Decarcassor said:
Ghostface is only good as his ability to sneak on survivors, wich is not great. Survivors have the superior 3rd person camera advantage over him. Don't waste time trying to break him out of Night Shroud, just run away and loop him. If he stalks you, you can just gain more distance on him. Eventually you'll find the time to break him out of Night Shroud, or just drop a pallet on his face.
Not to mention, Ghostface can waste a lot of time trying to sneak, crouch and lean around stuff to get a good stalk. Its nice if it pays off with a quick instant down. But its crippling if its for nothing and the survivor just spot you or even finish the gen you where trying to stalk him off.
tl;dr: He is just another M1 killer and not even a particularly good one.
lmao Mayers hability its sneak on survivors and was OP for a long time, now Mayers 2.0 aka ghost face can do it in less than 1 second when the first mayers takes 3 or 5 mins to do the same, his best hability by the way its not sneak around, his best hability its oneshot survivors but even sneaking around he its better than the pig, you say he takes a lot to crouch and sneak ? try play the pig that has animations like 100% slower than him. Ghost face its good at everithing, has nice weapon lunge, run like Meg or Legion, stealth, black clothes by default withouth pay extra money, oneshot, stalk, hide, lol he even do teabags, the only thing missing its teleport like the nurse.
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In the second PTB, most people wanted more buffs for GF as he was still too weak and you have decided that your community feedback is worthless because it goes against your vision for the character.
Ghostface its a P2W KILLER has sprint from Meg survivor + run while crunching from The Pig killer and Nea the survivor + stalking from Michel Mayer but instant + kill in 1 stab from Michel Mayer but faster + watch survivors like bbq and chile from leather face + run more than survivors or Legion even without use his sprint + long weapon lunge from Freddy + his own habilitys like block engines = block the main target of survivors + learned habilitys from other killers, etc,... just need teleport from Nurse right ??. Literally 90% killers switched to him, you dont even see the old killers anymore unless you play 24/7, i bought recently Michael Mayers and i feel scammed cuz he can stalk and oneshot in less than 5 seconds while i need the whole match to do the same with Michael Mayers, totally game breaking, all matches as survivor against him, he killed the whole party in less than 2 mins even with obiously noob player handling him. Nerfing him its a must, or someone give me back the money i spent on Michael Mayers/Laurie DLC so i can use that money on buy the p2w killer.
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you have bad ping, try dont play EU games when you live in North Korea
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Dear Anybody who reads this rant, Nerf Ghostface because he is somehow decent Nerf Spirit because she can Mindgame Nerf Billy and Leather face because they can down you with one hit Nerf Nurse because she can blink through walls How about just making every killer Wraith and Doctor level?
LMAO try play survivor one day, also ghost face need a nerf its a P2W KILLER has sprint from Meg survivor + run while crunching from The Pig killer and Nea the survivor + stalking from Michel Mayer but instant + kill in 1 stab from Michel Mayer but faster + watch survivors like bbq and chile from leather face + run more than survivors or Legion even wihouth use the sprint + long weapon lunge from Freddy + his own habilitys like block engines = block the main target of survivors + learned habilitys from other killers, etc. lol just need teleport from Nurse right ??. Literally 90% killers switched to him, you dont even see the old killers anymore unless you play 24/7, i bought recently Michael Mayers and i feel scammed cuz he can stalk and oneshot in less than 5 seconds while i need the whole match to do the same with Michael Mayers, totally game breaking, all matches as survivor against him, he killed the whole party in less than 2 mins even with obiously noob player handling him plus dont cry more about teabags, Ghost face do Teabags aswell, so its not a survivors thing anymore.
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P2W KILLER has sprint from Meg survivor + run while crunching from The Pig killer and Nea the survivor + stalking from Michel Mayer but instant + kill in 1 stab from Michel Mayer but faster + watch survivors like bbq and chile from leather face + run more than survivors or Legion even withouth use the sprint + long weapon lunge from Freddy + his own habilitys like block engines = block the main target of survivors + learned habilitys from other killers, etc. lol just need teleport from Nurse right ??. Literally 90% killers switched to him, you dont even see the old killers anymore unless you play 24/7, i bought recently Michael Mayers and i feel scammed cuz he can stalk and oneshot in less than 5 seconds while i need the whole match to do the same with Michael Mayers, totally game breaking, all matches as survivor against him, he killed the whole party in less than 2 mins even with obiously noob player handling him. So yeah you are doing something wrong.
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Been hearing a lot of people on youtube and Twitch talking about ghostface saying either hes going to be nerfed, or plz don't nerf.
P2W KILLER has sprint from Meg survivor + run while crunching from The Pig killer and Nea the survivor + stalking from Michel Mayer but instant + kill in 1 stab from Michel Mayer but faster + watch survivors like bbq and chile from leather face + run more than survivors or Legion even wihouth use the sprint + long weapon lunge from Freddy + his own habilitys like block engines = block the main target of survivors + learned habilitys from other killers, etc. Dead game for me lol just need teleport from Nurse right ??. Literally 90% killers switched to him, you dont even see the old killers anymore unless you play 24/7, i bought recently Michael Mayers and i feel scammed cuz he can stalk and oneshot in less than 5 seconds while i need the whole match to do the same with Michael Mayers, totally game breaking, all matches as survivor against him, he killed the whole party in less than 2 mins even with obiously noob player handling him.