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@SomberNokk said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2796011#Comment_2796011
99'ing a gate also goes against the goals of an endgame collapse 🤷 do bones.
End game collapse is an entirely separate part of the game, if it isn't active then it isn't in play, so how can 99ing gates be against end game collapse if end game collapse hasn't started?
The Devs have ALWAYS stated that egc ONLY exists to make sure matches don't get taken hostage, that's why the killer can activate it.
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@Tsulan said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2795312#Comment_2795312
But it's not the same. Blocking a survivor in a corner would be taking the game hostage. Since the survivor can't do anything.
Sitting in front of the box isn't taking the game hostage, because the survivors can still do everything.
As per definition, it's not the same.
Btw, I recommend every pig player to use Tempered Timer + Box of crates. Because that's way more fun than sitting afk.
If the survivors key is in that box they really can't do anything, nobody to save because the pig is idle, nobody to heal because nobody is injured, they literally just have to die because the one thing they can actually do to save themselves and escape a match that'll land them less then 5K points is take that box off, but sure, they can do gens for a little bit sure but ultimately they can't do anything to help themselves escape.
And I really don't care for what you recommend because whatever you recommend you'd still defend this playstyle and would dismiss other peoples issues with it because "you haven't vs'ed it yet".
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@katoptris said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2795328#Comment_2795328
Bubba doesn't care about your skin color. He go after every colors of the rainbow. I swear it like Myers in the new Halloween movie cause apparently people think he homophobic due to killing a queer character.
jfc nobody thinks BUBBA the CHARACTER is racist, this argument holds 0 weight.
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@Brokenbones said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2795454#Comment_2795454
But according to you, the cosmetic itself was racist regardless of how it was being used, right?
So BHVR authorised and allowed something racist to be put into the game and left it there for years.
I'm just trying to understand your perspective here, that's all. I'm with you I'm glad it's gone, it sucks to see content removed from the game like the other masks but it had to happen
I think it's entirely possible to think "oh wow, this is such a cool idea and it's totally thematic to leatherface". But in hindsight it just isn't a good thing at all, there's obviously a lot of negative (and rightfully so) opinions around darkening your skin.
Just look at the front page right now, there's yet another thread "if bubba had his mask removed should they remove huntress black variant as well?"
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@Brokenbones said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2795437#Comment_2795437
probably gonna regret asking this, forgive me:
since BHVR authorised & created that cosmetic in the first place, do you consider BHVR a racist company?
No, even the artist that made them came out and said he was glad they were removed, but I saw my friends targeted with this mask many times and could see the negative effects on it. I'm white, and the mask didn't effect me but I saw how it could effect others and I think being empathetic to obvious racism is important.
Just because things aren't offensive to you doesn't mean they aren't offensive to someone else etc.
Just look at the front page right now, there's yet another thread "if bubba had his mask removed should they remove huntress black variant as well?"
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@GeneralV said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2795414#Comment_2795414
I presume this is what you mean:
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/656554495777701900/940006526251331637/unknown.png
I voted "No" because I don't think the cosmetic by itself was offensive. It was a nod to the original movie, and a unique kind of unlockable.
What was disgusting and inexcusable was people using it to be racist and attack others based on their skin color. These people are vile and had to go, but not the cosmetic itself.
Again, do not twist my word and opinions.
oh look the forum is full of people that don't think things that are racist is bad.
They literally made bubbas face under the mask darker than his default skin, it was far more than just a mask.
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@GeneralV said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2795403#Comment_2795403
Do not twist my words.
The cosmetic itself was fine, the problem was horrible people using it for racism. Those people had to be banned ASAP.
The situation had to be dealt with. BHVR merely chose the wrong approach.
You even voted "no" on it being offensive despite black people being offended by it, but sure punish people for spamming the ctrl button because it's 'annoying'.
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@GeneralV said:
People who do things with the sole purpose of annoying the other side, without being provoked first, do not deserve to play the game.
But there is no way such thing would ever work properly.
I do find it funny how you state that blackface bubba was fine but want people punished for spamming ctrl or hitting survivors on hook, lmao.
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This is incredibly cringe.
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@Hex_Llama said:
Anyway. I suspect that the rule against going AFK is more about people who repeatedly load into matches that they don't play, because they're farming blood points. I used to see a lot more of those.
I'm actually surprised to hear people describe body blocking the Jigsaw box as being AFK, because the killer is obviously standing still as part of a strategy and not just abandoning the game. (IMO, it's also not a very good strategy).
"Idling" is also there in the rules for this very reason.
One of the moderators stated the other day that blocking a survivor in the corner, even if gens are being done is bannable, in my opinion this is very similar to blocking someone in the corner, if they do any gens their trap is activated, they then MUST remove this trap or they will die, if their key is in that box they can't do a single thing, there is no counter, it's ridiculous people are defending this as if it's "normal gameplay".
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@Tsulan said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2795274#Comment_2795274
Yeah that's why I always write a time stamp. Since the mark is saved by a cookie, on your pc.
Juuust saying.
Well, you're entirely wrong about that, bhvrs embed obviously messed up the link because you can "link with timestamp" from Twitch, has nothing to do with cookies, just saying.
'https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1284353386?t=0h20m53s" is the link i embedded, nobodies fault that the forum embed screws it up.
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@Tsulan said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2795255#Comment_2795255
You expect me to watch 4 hours of stream?
I literally linked it at the 20 minute mark where the match started lmao
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https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1284353386?t=0h20m53s@Tsulan said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2795143#Comment_2795143
So I take that you've never seen a afk pig in person.
Yeah, thx for the discussion.
Yea no I've literally never faced one Tsulan /s unlike half the forums I don't lie about my experience, I'm glad you've dismissed this whole issue because YOU haven't faced it, what an embarrassment.
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@ThanksForDaily said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2795238#Comment_2795238
I mean if the guy wants to report them, why not?
I said what BHVR says. The In-game report is MUST.
I've had someone banned while forgetting to in-game report.
Actually, I had someone banned because they gloated on my steam account about being banned and having a secondary account and all I did was report them about this message with proof etc and his second account was banned as well.
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@ThanksForDaily said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2795226#Comment_2795226
Sadly, the in-game report is crucial.
I mean, is it? If the guy said nothing in End Game Chat and the guy went to his stream and the streamer said ######### off the in game report probably doesn't mean anything, and because the streamer just told someone to ######### off I doubt BHVR cares too much, there are a lot of players that go into others chats to gloat about winning when the person has moved onto the next game.
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@Moro_SenpaiKiller said:
Hello spooky and Creepy Dead by Daylight Forum, I guess we should see the Prestige Level or the general Level from the Killer and Survivor in the Lobby because that can be better for the preparedness (and somepeople can indicate with that hehe ^^''). So yes whats your Opinion about that?
This doesn't really help for a lot of people, like myself, I stopped prestiging my killers and survivors about the time deathslinger came out because i was just wasting my time maxing everyone and then not having the items / addons i wanted on the killers i was maining etc.
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@Tsulan said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2794415#Comment_2794415
So how many afk pigs have you personally faced?
Idling or being afk isn't allowed. But camping and insidious are desired gameplay features. So where do we draw the line of what is what?
The killer still kills with that. So he's participating in gameplay. Doesn't has to be a gameplay you and I like. But it still is valid gameplay.
Getting a bit off topic with this example, but a couple of days ago, someone showed a clip on Twitter about reaching a usually unreachable spot with DH. People called it skilled gameplay. I called it exploit. People started to insult me instantly.
The point is, that things are not weighted equally. Some people are completely fine with ignoring obvious exploits as long as it benefits them, but get mad when they're are affected by something the other side does.
Things get easily blown out of proportion. Especially here on the forum. Instead of trying to understand what the other person is trying to say, he just gets called biased or biased xxx main.
What's happening now probably won't last. Since people usually figure out some kind of counter (slugging in the case of Boil over), when more people start doing it.
Staying afk sounds terribly boring. So people might give it a couple of tries and move back to their normal gameplay. But we'll see how and if the devs react.
How are you comparing camping to afk and idling, camping means you've literally caught someone and ate standing next to them, the fact that you guys are so adamant that standing still for the entire game is 'normal gameplay' is hilarious, yea dude, stick some add-ons on, stand Infront of the box and do nothing.
There is a pretty easy to tell difference between camping someone on hook and standing still doing nothing it's actually embarrassing that I have to explain this
"Where do we draw the line between a killer chasing someone, hooking them and camping them to death, and someone loading into a match, moving Infront of a box and doing absolutely nothing" 😂
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@Barbarossa2020 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2794408#Comment_2794408
If that was the case then insidious Bubba would be ban able.
So the fact that they haven't thus far shows that it's fine?
I would think it probably is, but because they don't harm anyone, nobody reports it, afk bans are pretty rare as you have to be doing it consistently and over a long period of time to be banned for it, so even if the mods did deem this bannable, most people aren't going to do it long enough to hit the ban requirement.
But keeping bubba in mind, killer loads in, walks to basement, the survivors do the gens and leave, this is literally preventing players from doing that, it is vastly different from a killer just afking the entire match.
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@Tsulan said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2794396#Comment_2794396
With the difference, that I see people using Boil over almost every match. But I've never seen afk pigs.
You know very well how things get blown out of proportion on the forum.
I remember very well how many people defended Boil over as intended gameplay, and now those very same people claim that afk pigs is an exploit.
As I said on a different thread. Either both Boil over and afk pigs are considered an exploit or none is.
I've not seen any boilover matches, but thankfully I can admit it's still a problem.
I can also see that "unsportsmanlike" have "AFK" and "Idling" as reportable, I don't know about you, but loading into a match, moving in front of a box and doing nothing the rest of the match kinda sounds like afk, and if you're still at you're desk, it's idling.
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@Barbarossa2020 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2794396#Comment_2794396
There are 2 threads so hardly a flood of complaints about it. But that might depend on timezones, server populations etc.
But to quote you again.
"What I am curious about it, I'm sure I've seen the mods tagged several times on this thread, and they're usually REALLY quick to correct someone saying something is against the rules, but no response to this massive thread is interesting."
What does this quote have to do with anything? I would rather the mods clarify something, but I can clearly see in the reportable section in dead by daylight that AFKing & Idling are against the rules so what exactly am I missing, and how does this make me bias that I'd like confirmation on the rules?
Honestly, you guys are amazing, lmao.
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@Barbarossa2020 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2794378#Comment_2794378
so 24 people (your couple of dozen) compared to how many there is in game and/or on the forums and you take it for Jesus's gospel?
You bias is literally unmatched.
I'd never heard of this afk pig thing until I went against it last week, I wasn't the one that was blocked but I can see how it's an issue, jjust the same as I can see boil over as an issue.
What bias do I have, exactly? I see two faults on both killer and survivor and I didn't dismiss one because I saw two people say something isn't common, when there is entire threads of people saying they're going against it often.
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@Tsulan said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2793844#Comment_2793844
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2794101#Comment_2794101
Thank you for confirming this. Since I never faced a pig doing this I really wondered if I'm extremely lucky or if this is just a forum thing.
Are you for real? a couple dozen people complaining about it, but all it took was two people saying "it's not that common" for you to basically dismiss it?
Your bias is literally unmatched lol.
Don't worry guys, a youtuber made a video about boilover builds, and some people complained about it on the forums so it's not actually a thing, it's just a forum thing /s
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@SunsetSherbet said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2794132#Comment_2794132
That's a survivor side exploit though. So, it's "tech"
killers literally used 3rd party programs to turn blight unnaturally and they called it a "tech", lmao.
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@DoritoHead said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2794082#Comment_2794082
That's not how Pig works, unless they reworked her. Every survivor has a different box that their key is in.
This has absolutely never been the case, it is entirely possible for one box to have all the keys in, or each box to have one key each in, or only two boxes having two keys each in them etc.
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@fulltonon said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2793883#Comment_2793883
Considering how boil over abuse was pretty much considered as exploit and about to get fixed, it doesn't work that way.
What even is this sentence?
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Ahhh yes, everything survivors do that you don't like is an exploit :)
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@GoodBoyKaru said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2793861#Comment_2793861
im almost certain that similar principles apply to anything age restricted, be it alcohol, cigarettes, or video games, however i definitely could be mistaken. haven't learnt that one yet and i dont know if we'll go over it for this spec, sadly- but hopefully ill be able to conclusively know within a few years
You can just google it, almost all instances of people talking about pegi ratings talk about the sale of a game to someone under the age ratings.
https://videostandards.org.uk/RatingBoard/ratings - Scroll to "is it illegal to play an age restricted game if they're not old enough"
https://www.thinkuknow.co.uk/parents/articles/gaming-whats-appropriate-for-your-child/#:~:text=Yes%20%2D%20in%20the%20UK%2C%20the,the%20games%20for%20a%20child. "Is pegi legally enforceable"
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@GoodBoyKaru said:
Legally, no. He isn't allowed to purchase the game, nor is anyone allowed to purchase it for him. As per BHVR's EULA (https://deadbydaylight.com/en/eula) "RESTRICTIONS OF AGE MAY BE IMPOSED TO ACCESS ONLINE SERVICES AND FEATURES IN COMPLIANCE WITH LOCAL LAWS". Essentially meaning that it is entirely possible your friend could have their access restricted.
However, that would need someone to report them for it, and to have ample proof to do so- after all, the principle of "Innocent until proven guilty" applies to most legal situations in Canada.
afaik age ratings don't matter if it's the parents that purchase the game for the user, they aren't legally enforceable unless you are the store owner or sales person selling the game to someone underaged.
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No, he won't be banned.
Ratings are more of a who you can sell to, and given parents permission you can play pretty much any game you want, there is also no way for them to verify.
At least in my country, the rating only prevents stores from selling to these ages, it does not however prevent a parent or guardian from purchasing the game for the child.
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It is funny to me seeing players absolutely oblivious to how useful 99ing gates is for killers and how awful a regress mechanic will be.
If survivors can't 99 gates, and there is someone on the hook, it's almost guaranteed death, and they'll open the gates and leave, I've seen many killers, myself included snowball from a 99'd gates attempted save, 99ing gates makes survivors come back into the match and try to save or trade and nets killers with more points.
This mechanic literally benefits killers more than survivors, but go ahead, make gates regress, we'll see how many of you complain survivors just leave immediately and you get 1 kill.
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@supersonic853 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2793198#Comment_2793198
To be fair dms i feel is fairly balanced for m1 killers its just doc and artist who kinda break it. I feel its a healthy combination otherwise and something fresher then ruin undying tinkerer every game. That's just me though.
I understand what you're saying, and I promise I'm not asking for DMS to be nerfed, but I have absolutely seen people calling it op on this forum and asking for it to be nerfed, it was just an example of super current things people are complaining about.
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@Zozzy said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2792703#Comment_2792703
Pfft.. they nerf anything survivors cry about so why not have fun in the mean time?
Yes, they nerf 'anything' survivors cry about, while they are currently nerfing boil over and not DMS but please, King. Continue to tell us of these biased developers that bow down to survivors.
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@Barbarossa2020 said:
New Meta slug and camp.
"New".
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This is so comical to me.
Boil over - I can't hook this survivor it's abusable and an exploit
Afk pig - this random survivor (could sometimes be the entire team) can't remove the box from their head, and that's completely fine because it's on the killer side and killers have decided that not playing is a 'meme' playstyle
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@SunsetSherbet said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2790460#Comment_2790460
Your goal is to do gens and escape. Nothing else. You can add little extra caveats but those are just your own and aren't supported by the devs. Doing this is not against the rules. It's really that simple.
The goal of the game is to survive, you literally CANNOT do this if you allow a trap to stay on your head and do gens.
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@konchok said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2790485#Comment_2790485
I wouldn't be opposed, but I feel that that would be an overall nerf to the pig.
I mean, if the pig wants to stand infront a box the entire game is it really an issue? Boxes and keys wont be moving around during normal gameplay this targets afk pigs only.
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@konchok said:
The simplest change in my mind would be to have it so that the exit gates no longer kill you while wearing the reverse bear trap if that specific add-on is in play. It doesn't nerf the pig in any circumstance other than precisely this one.
I was thinking like pyramid heads cages, if a pig is too close to a box, the 'key' is moved to another one, or the box is moved to another spot.
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@Mringasa said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2790460#Comment_2790460
They are playing the game though. They've used an add-on and are awaiting the results. Just because it's a ######### move, and really bad sportsmanship, doesn't remove any of the legitimacy.
A survivor's goal is only to complete gens, open the gates, and leave. It has always been acceptable practice for a Pig to bodyblock a Survivor in the Basement and wait for the timer to pop their head. Devs have stated that multiple times in the past when it was complained about. This is only extending that definition further. Instead of having one Survivor trapped and ticking, they now have 4.
Truthfully, it can be argued that the Survivors are holding the game hostage because they aren't doing their objective(s). Pretty sure no one doing gens is actually one of the definitions. Pretty messed up right?
I'm not defending this behavior, but people need to understand that just because something requires more effort than M1 or Hold W, doesn't make it against the rules. Look at the situation, figure out a way around it (there is more than 1 box...), and try to overcome it. Doesn't always work out, but no one is entitled to a win.
"A survivors goal is only to complete gens" Do you honestly genuinely believe that in a match against pig, with an active trap your only goal is to "do gens" the survivors goal is... well it's in the name "survive" you literally can't do this if you ignore taking the trap off your head and just do gens.
The fact you say you don't defend this playstyle but try and make the distinction between "not actually afk" and "afk" is funny to me. I didn't play the entire match but i absolutely wasn't afk nope not even. Just like crash dcs and task manager dcs there is no distinction between these, lets hope bhvr starts removing these players.
Additionally, it's just another "playstyle" killers use to legitimise their de-ranking so they can have an easier time, just like basement bubba is a totally legit not at all deranking playstyle so they can bully low mmr survivors for their dopamine rush.
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@Mringasa said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2790438#Comment_2790438
Only thing is, the Killer isn't bodyblocking. The Survivor's can continue with normal game play. The Killer is standing in one spot, but as long as they are at their keyboard, it's a legitimate play. It's a toxic and pretty ######### one, but it does not break any rules. Survivors are not being stopped from completing their goal(s).
Not trying to defend this type of play, it's funny but trash tier, but throwing around some buzzwords doesn't make it any less legitimate than 3 people coordinating to bodyblock a killer, sabo the hook, and force a drop. You can keep doing your objectives, you just now have to time it properly and coordinate it. Something that is damn near impossible in solo queue, especially if someone doesn't understand the mechanics.
The Killer IS doing their job. They're trying to kill people. They are probably not AFK, most likely they're giggling and giving their audience a good show, but there is no rule that requires them to move from any position on the map as long as they are not inhibiting a Survivor from doing their objective(s), complete gens, throw a switch, leave out the exit gate or hatch if it's available.
A survivors goal if they have an active trap on their head is to get it off, a killer, who has chosen a box at random from the start of the game prevents that being removed, ever.
Also, can we stop with the pedantics of "They're not actually AFK if they're at their desk" this is such a petty excuse to try and skirt the rules, if you're at your desk, and you're not playing the game you are "afk".
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Survivor Bodyblocking = Hit them, collision lost and killer melts right through them, has a counter, injures survivors, game can be progressed
Killer bodyblocking = absolutely no gameplay around it, there is no counter
This is a huge issue in the community is making these awful comparisons thinking they have a 'gotcha' moment.
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Why is that a few years back survivors were absolutely ######### on for deranking, but killers have always had 'playstyles' that enabled the same behaviour.
Basement bubba, now AFK Pig.
How about everyone just plays the match they queue up for?
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@Psycho_ said:
100% extra wiggle strength. (people underestimate this) plus if you get slugged and they drop from a great hight you get extra wiggle progress based on your current recovery, you could run flip flop and still instantly get out if they slug.
I think that's much better, I honestly didn't think the wiggle drop needed to be part of it.
The current boil over isnt good, it just causes a boring game loop where people where slugged to death while the gens don't get done.
Is this your proposed change or you misunderstanding what this change is?
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@fulltonon said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2788107#Comment_2788107
Or actually get good.
Ahhh yes, let me get good after running the killer for 2 - 3 gens and then the team mates don't save me, if only I had been better at the game.
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@burt0r said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2777076#Comment_2777076
Search YouTube DBD dev instablind and you will be in for a treat. I love that video. It's hilarious and led to flashlights being nerfed in a week or so.
Edit: nvm. Here you go.
It is always funny seeing people act like this led to flashlights being nerfed lol.
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@Brimp said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2787624#Comment_2787624
Tfw you havent even tested the perk and call it dead.
Like I don't think the perk should have been buffed the way it was, but let's not pretend that killers who have a survivor in a high place don't drop down as fast as they can, I would say at max any survivor in a building would be able to get to about 10% - 15% max, that's only 3.3 - 5% wiggle from the drop.
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@MikaelaWantsYourBoon said:
If killer can see you have this perk, still garbage. At least, it is not abusable anymore.
But why killer is seeing you have this perk, i never understand.
Probably so people aren't confused as to why they can't see hooks, I think.
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@GoodBoyKaru said:
Still not really a fan but it just sounds less abuseable already. Hopefully combining this and the RPD hook spawn changes will make it a lot less frustrating
I mean look at it this way, if you wiggle 20%, and the killer drops, you'll get 6.6% of wiggle progress, it's a very good nerf & change imo.
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Ahh the replies in this thread are those that refuse to see the other side clearly.
Yes, it sucks that survivors DC but at least there is still gameplay to be had with the other three, you can kill them, get almost full points, move on.
If the killer AFKs there is no gameplay, it's do gens, get less than 7k points and move on.
In the end, we all end up moving on, but to act like a DC is even remotely close to the other side not playing the entire match is exactly this forums problem.
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@snowflake102 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2786136#Comment_2786136
Then make the game block discord and other talk programs cause vc adds unfairness
Literally illegal and will cause the biggest boycott in gaming history, you can't just block peoples communication services for a bloody game.,
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@Mooks said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2783791#Comment_2783791
I love how some people generalize others without realizing that it’s always individuals. You may see a trend but acting like all ttvs behave like this is really close minded
800 people talking toss in end game chat -shrug- that's dbd
6 TTVers talk toss -forum post- omg ttvers are so evil and they're trash sdonvowisdnviosdvonsd