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@ToxicMyers said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1560637#Comment_1560637
Yes again with the flexing on how many times you can win in a row type stuff. I don't wanna hear it it just hurts your case because if you succeed that much then these perks aren't really that much of an issue are they? Also you literally said "you can't win without using the strongest killer and 4 gen regress perks." So yeah you did say you can't win without using strong killers. Anyway to your other comments you made way more mistakes then just 1 to 4 you made at least 5 or 6 and I'm not even done with the video. Here's the deal, you are using the strongest killer in the game when played right, second chance perks aren't an issue against good nurses or literally any good killer. This loss was on you. Killers dictate the pace of the match by their actions since they are the most impactful.
That was just because I didn't understand what you were trying to tell me, one single game of 4k doesn't say anything. But I also have to say my answer wasn't the smartest on that. I succeed really often because I would say I'm a strong nurse, that's why I win really often. But most players are not playing nurse, it doesn't affect me yes but I think it affects other people and that's why I said my opinion to it. I care of the state of this game and I think most people wont be able to beat a swf with these stacked up perks, even if they are better. In my opinion it should get changed. I said that yes, but I mean you can of course win, it is just really hard and most of the time players are just not gonna win even if they play better. At that point I think I just should have said it differently, thats a mistake on my side sorry for that. With the mistakes I think everyone thinks differently of what counts as an mistake or not. I might have also made 5 mistakes or even more, you can always play better. On the next one if you think so okay its your opinion, I think if a killer plays really well he can still win against meta perks. Just I think if they are stacked up really hard killers are most of the time not gonna win or just not get as many kills as they should have even tho they played better. This lose was on my side, I could've made things better. But at the same time I would've probably gotten like 3 kills if they didn't had these perks. Even the survivors themselves agreed on that. But I mean the round was just to show off.
I respect that you got a different opinion same as mine is different, but I mean thank you I guess for bringing good arguments instead of just trash talking. ehehmhm babydweetmain... uh wat? :)
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@ToxicMyers said:
I don't think you understand what I'm saying. You don't need to play the strongest killer to succeed against this type of game. Just means with the weaker killer more skill is required to win. You slugged too much in this match which costed you. If you took early hooks you probably could have had an easier mid/endgame. I'm currently at the part in your video where you hit the girl with bt after downing the rescuer which was a waste of your time I think.
It is still possible to win even with a weaker killer, it is just really hard, and as long as you are not a ######### god killer, or the survivors being complete babys. It is not really realistic to 4k. But of course it is possible, everything is possible :3. It will most of the time just not happen, even if the killer plays better than them.
Yes I made mistakes. But I mean having to sweat your balls of and not even making a single mistake against average players with just these perks is not really fair. I mean from the survivor side you just have to press E or hit a skill check (DS, DH).
But I mean you can think of it what you want :D
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@Khar said:
Yep. When you can stack multiple second chance perks it usually spells disaster for the killer. And they wonder why killers resort to slugging, camping, and tunneling 😂
+1
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@ToxicMyers said:
I can link a game for you where I use one regression perk and 4k
I can just play you like 3 - 5 games right now where I play with no regression perks, and 2 flex perks and 4k every time. It has nothing to do with you cant 4k. It has something to do with you cant really 4k against stacked up meta perks, its just not realistic unless the survivors are not really working on gens. You are totally missing the point.
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@ToxicMyers said:
Also since there are no statistics for this game. I'm gonna guess by you whining about dead hard that you don't remember how good nurses counter it. Sure it saves them once, but only once. If you were one of the best as you claim then you would've been able to down them no issue after they used dead hard and had no more perks up their sleeves
After they used DH I also got them, I don't know if you watched the video.
Statistics for this game:
I had 30k points, which means I did a lot in this game. I made it last for 11 minutes. I had only one kill and didn't pipe. So it was a lose.
It is just if every single time I chase them they can just get more time of it by DH. Than after some time you cant win no matter how fast you down them because it just wastes so much time.
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@ToxicMyers said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1560591#Comment_1560591
Yet there are people like Stalky boi who use weaker killers and 4k. You can succeed with any killer in high ranks. Just with some the difficulty is higher
Of course people can 4k with weak killers, even at high ranks. I just said that it is not really realistic to do well with a weak killer against these stacked up meta perks, or even with a strong killer it is still hard as long as your survivors are not just complete babys. I think you are missing the point.
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@Waffleyumboy said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1560591#Comment_1560591
That's not true. The mistakes you made were major, I doubt you played much more skillfully than the survivors. Don't be surprised when you lose when you handicap yourself 2 perks and then don't manage to completely outskill the survivors. Check your ego, the perks aren't the problem here, it's your entitled attitude.
You missed the point, I didn't say that I just lost because of these perks. I did mistakes yes I even said that before. What I just want to say is that it isnt really balanced if just 4 friends can put these perks on and play in a swf. And than the killer has to play the strongest killer in the game with strong add-ons, gen regression perks, and do almost no mistakes. That isn't really balanced.
I also don't say to change these perks, they are strong but if a survivor uses them its fine. Its just extremely hard to beat them when all survivors are just stacking them up. And you cant really do any changes to that. The only thing I did was asking for opinions what other people think of it.
I don't even complain that I lost. "Check your ego" "it's your entitled attitude". You cant even understand my point in my post, thats something you learn in 4th grade. Just don't even put trashtalk like this in the forums.
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@BabyDweetMain said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1560508#Comment_1560508
I read everything, so did everyone else. I'm just done with your clear delusion. Your stuck up, delusional, deluded, and just annoying. You did cry that deadhard was op, that was your literal post and people gave you reasons and examples why it's not, but you're kissing your own ass so hard that you think you're not the problem. You literally said you can't always bait out a bit with deadhard when all you have to do is get right up on them. That's it! But nooooo, everyone is still wrong and you know better. Everyone is just hating and toxic.
You ARENT one of the best nurses out there and that's clear by your play style. Sorry that hearing that hurts your feelings but you'll just say I'm toxic and I'm wrong.
And Jesus f'ing Christ are you full of yourself. You had to keep saying you aren't flexing by constantly saying how many games you win etc. but that's exactly what you were doing and you know it. You were trying to sound cool and #EpicGamer but people called you out on it and you tried to act like you were humble. Give me a break.
You shouldn't even of made the post. If you're so good and you get so many 4ks then losing to a SWF who obviously were better than you cause if they weren't they wouldn't of won, shouldn't be a big deal at all. But it clearly bothers you. Cry all you want that these perks require no skill but they do. Its very easy to F up deadhard or missing your decisive. You got out played.
Accept that there are better survivers than you, stop blaming it on perks or swf, stop kissing your own ass, stop with the delusion that numerous people are wrong and toxic because they don't agree with you or kiss your ass too, and queue for a new match.
As I said I never said that DH was OP. I just said that in my opinion needs changes, you can see that because I also say that SB is stronger than DH and doesn't need changes. It also wasn't my post, someone else created the post about and HE THOUGHT that DH was OP. People gave me examples but most of them where just bad and I could just argue easily against them, and than no more better arguments came. And as I also said it was just my opinion about it. I said you cant always get close to them to bait DH, survivors can just use DH at a loop to get more time and loops of it and you cant counter it, you also can just use it for distance and you cant counter it. Other people just always gave the same arguments where I already showed that they are wrong. And I said toxic to people in this discussion a few times, not because I just cant take criticism. But because these ppl didn't even really read my post and didn't even understand what it was about. And instead they just gave comments with insults / toxicity, and were just trying to provocate instead of acting like everyone else in a discussion.
If you think I am not one of the best nurse's than that's totally fine it's your opinion, I just said that to tell how I consider my own nurse skills in that example. I don't even understand why you have to say this, because it just totally isn't what this discussion was about. It was totally not what I tried to say with this post, it was just an example.
People were asking me for some reason why I think I am one of the best nurse's out there, and so I just told them about how my matches go how much experience I have and so on. I would never said these things if those people would have understand what this post was about. Now I also changed the name of the discussion so people hopefully understand what I want to say with this.
If you watched the video you would've seen that the survivors weren't better. The game took 11 minutes, it took them 11 minutes and I did made mistakes yes, but they did even more and got carried really hard by those perks, mainly DH. I would've killed them in a long time but they just keep getting so many second lifes and so much longer chases because of these meta perks, and mostly not because they played better. These survivors in that game even agreed that I was playing way better and that they would've lost if they weren't using these perks. I'm not even complaining that I lost, and now I am gonna explain you what this post was about :D. I wasn't complaining that I lost, I was happy that I finally had a fun challenging game. What I want to say is just. If the only way to beat average survivors as a swf with meta perks is to play the strongest killer in the game with strong add-ons, gen regression perks, and a low amount of mistakes. Than that's not really balanced, just think of it like this: How is someone suppost to win against this while playing a weak killer like clown or trapper? How are you suppost to win on a bad killer map like red forst? how are you suppost to even have a slight chance to win if you are just not that good. These players were just average players and a average killer would still have no chance to beat them. This doesn't even affect me because I main nurse, this is just because I care of the state of the game and I care about the game experience of other players.
I never said that there are no better survivors than me, I also didn't blame it on swf. I blamed it on the meta perks because stacked up its extremely hard to beat them, these survivors won not because they played better, but because they played these perks. Otherwise I wouldn't hold this game for 11 minutes. And these survivors even agreed to it, these survivors that are running these perks.
You said 11x in this post that I am delusional, deluded, annoying, I cant take criticism. You are bringing things up like that I said DH was OP and so on even tho I just told you before that it isn't like that. You just kept missing the point of this discussion and are just acting childish. You were exactly like this in the post about DH. There is not even a need to keep arguing with you, I just think you should get banned from these forums, honestly from me to you. Have a nice day, I wont be arguing with you anymore no point at all, think what you want.
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@MrPeterPFL said:
Opex: I didn't say that he / she was toxic
Also Opex: Are you just trying to be straight up toxic?
On a serious note by watching your video, can’t judge players who play as Nurse as I don’t play Nurse (GF ftw) however I can judge you on how you as a killer. This isn’t trash talking this is constructive criticism, you have zero gen defence perks, gens were gonna fly. Pop or Surge would of been nice instead of Deerstalker. At 1:25 after kicking the gen you spent 25s on one spot and you tried to slug 3 guys. These two were your downfall, time management is important and you wasted all that time for one hook. I saw 4 DH proc and you know DH is a strong counter to Nurse just like Urban Evasion is to Hag and Spine Chill to Wraith. Borrow time proc once, it happens. DS proc once and that’s your fault. 8:35, you gave up on the chase and went to the hook and downed Nea who you hooked. 1. Why did you give up the chase? If you got him, that’s map pressure, they’re on the other side probably healing. Hook him, BBQ, blink away. 2. Should of kept track of who you hooked. At 9:33 just after the DS you spent 1m:20s to start another chase, that’s a lot of time, infact enough time to complete a gen.
I don't have much to deny you are right, these things that I did were mistakes. And gen regression would've helped me in that game, I just use two flex perks because I don't need more than 2 perks in 99% of my games.
What I am just trying to say is, survivors just have to take meta perks, like all of them, and just be average players and play as a swf.
And now if we say the killer wants to win this than he has to play the strongest killer in the game, with strong add-ons, 4 perks with gen regression. And make almost no mistakes. Than that's not really balanced.
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I changed the name of this discussion because people didn't understand what this was about and there were a lot of people just trashtalking and didn't even read the post / didn't even understand what it was about. :)
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@Todgeweiht said:
So I finally sit down to play some dead by daylight on my console, enjoy some nice games.
I pick Demo, my favorite killer "maybe I will get a map that does not screw me because of low FPS"
Nope. its lerys.
Horrible game, 15 FPS maximum and something like 10 or 5 FPS minimum. I got 2 sacrifices, which is not bad, but I had to sweat my ass to get that result. An overall unfun game and the reason I am staying away from Demo at this moment.
Well then, It was just a bad game. I will pick Billy, the only killer I have consistently fun games due to him having a fun power and decent FPS. I will bring double speed add-ons, hopefully enough I will get rotten fields, azarov or any other decently big map and not an indoor map.
Guess what? Lerys! AGAIN!
At least this time the survivors went down really easily because they were not good, but it was not exactly fun playing as an M1 killer for most of the time. It felt like I completely wasted 2 add-ons.
Ok, I tell to myself. The game is being really insistent on bringing me to lerys. Maybe I should bring a jumpscare Myers build next game, it is a really fun build at the end of the day. I put on a lerys offering just in case and...
ITS COLDWIND
ITS ######### ROTTEN FIELDS
Needless to say, that game was a shitfest, survivors were actually competent this time and kept running in a straight line. Only got 2 downs the whole game. ARGH!
Thanks for listening to my rant
Haha I exactly know how it feels xD
That's why I also started throwing map offerings every game. The problem is just........ I started running out of them lmao
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@Han said:
Well yes everyone with a working brain knows how op these perks are. Unfortunately the devs are unwilling to change the meta.
I mean if one single survivor is using these perks they are strong. But not OP just usual strong perks. It is just as soon as all 4 survivors are using it and they are just winning because of these perks its a different story. Thats also why I don't want to say that it should get nerfed or what so ever because what are they suppost to change? Just nerf all perks down? Thats just stupid. That's why I am asking for opinions from other players.
I mean you can have this opinion its totally fine. I just said what I think of that. I hope there was no miss understanding. :)
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@woundcowboy said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1560488#Comment_1560488
That is totally unreasonable. You are basically saying that you want to sip a drink, talk on the phone, and cook a pizza while still dominating. If that were possible, this game would be incredibly broken. If survivors are using meta stuff, you have to use meta stuff. This is true of any pvp game. Use what’s available to you or don’t complain.
Okay I guess I am just stupid but I don't really understand what you mean with the first example lol. And I mean you are kind of right with the last one. Totally fair your opinion and its not really wrong. I think of it this way: Having to play the strongest killer in the game with 4 strong perks strong add-ons while doing no mistakes is not equal to it.
4 friends are just playing as an 4 man swf and they are just playing these easy to get perks. And are about average at the game.
That's just why I think it is not really balanced.
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@Kumnut768 said:
and i guess im one of the few good billys left i still crush meta perks the only meta perks i think are unbeatable is small pp build on all survivors
plus these survivors still played in a way that meant they were beatabke if they played like a tourney squad
Yes, it was beatable. But just if the only way to beat average survivors as a 4 man swf all with meta perks is to play nurse, with strong add-ons. 4 perks. No mistakes. Than its not really balanced is it?
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@Jed_Olsen said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1560425#Comment_1560425
The thing is tho, there are people who play other killers like clown and trapper in red ranks and perform really well.
Both sides have meta perks.
I understand you feel like you shouldn't have lost but it happened anyway, the game is supposedly balanced around 2 dead, 2 surviving. Also there's a certain RnG elements to each trial to I suppose help achieve that balance. If you get a lot of 4k's your really not in a position to complain regardless of how you played (if 3 escaped they obviously played well) . You should try not let it get to you that much, it is only a game. Each trial is meaningless.
I mean I think you miss understood what I said :D
I don't have a problem with me losing, I just used it as an example to show how strong meta perks are. I am really happy that I finally had a challenging game, it is possible to perform well as weak killers like clown or trapper. For example otzdarva is a really strong trapper and I wish I was as good as him with that killer (in my opinion he is good). But just because people have good games means that these meta perks on all survivors as a 4 man swf is really balanced. But I mean still ty for not trashtalking like others and actually giving a good comment on this.
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@BabyDweetMain said:
You literally cried about how deadhard was overpowered on another post. You are far from the best at any killer.
I didnt cry about DH and never said it was OP. I only said that in my opinion it should get changed and gave a few arguments no one could argue against without just trash talking. First: I never said that I was the best nurse. Second: How am I a worse killer if I say specific things? Third: Did you even read my post? This was about what people think of all survivors are running full meta perk builds and its balancing. What you are saying has nothing to do with my post and is just bullshit.
Please stop trashtalking and if you have nothing good to say just don't even say anything. Thank you
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@dugman said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1560427#Comment_1560427
30k with one kill is basically a close win or a tie game in my book, that's just me though. Even if you go by a strict 0-1 kills is a loss and 3-4 kills is a win and 2 is a draw you can still use score as a reasonable tie breaker with 2 kills.
I guess the question, if you're trying to figure out what went wrong, might be to start by looking at why you got no kills for almost 12 minutes. Hypothetically, let's say it takes 10 seconds to find a survivor, 60 seconds to down them and 10 seconds to hook them. That's 80 seconds per hook. If you did that 9 times in 12 minutes you would have at least one guaranteed kill (because worst case you hook each survivor once the first four hooks, then you get a second hook on each of them the next four, and finally a death hook on the ninth.) Therefore even if you played badly and just chased one survivor at a time for 12 minutes and your downs weren't all that quick you'd still have a kill by at least the 12 minute mark and more likely sooner.
So somewhere along the way you must have been losing time efficiency. Maybe it took too long to find survivors to chase? Or maybe your chases were longer than you think? Or maybe you should have hooked a little more and slugged a little less? I have no idea specifically but something along those lines must be going on to have no kills in 12 minutes, especially considering Nurse is typically a faster than average chaser.
It took me longer to get kills because of mainly DH, also because I lost downs / hits because of DH / DS / SB. And if the only realistic way to beat average survivors as a 4 man swf with meta perks is to play nurse and do no mistakes, than that isn't really fine the way it is, is it?
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@woundcowboy said:
I am also a rank 1 Nurse main who consistently 4ks. Here’s my feedback:
-Build: this is your biggest problem. Nurse’s, deerstalker, and shadowborn are doing nothing for you. Good players know not to heal too close to Nurse, and deerstalker is replaced by having an awareness of the map. You NEED gen defense, whether that’s pop, corrupt, ruin or some combination of those. There were numerous times that you could have squashed them if you hooked and attacked the gens.
-addons: I had a hard time telling, but I think you used double range. Optimal addons are 1 range and 1 charge.
you were right to stay near the boat, but you should have patrolled the nearby gens.
Yes I made a few mistakes, and yes I used two range add-ons. I use two flex perks (Shadowborn and deerstalker) because in 99% of the games I only need two perks which are nurses and bbq. I mean if the only real way to beat 4 man swfs all running full meta perk builds is a strong nurse with optimal add-ons that is using 4 perks and makes no mistakes, than its not really balanced lets just say that xD.
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@Fibijean said:
Firstly, maybe lay off Aven. You said that you were one of the best Nurses in the game in your title, and also repeated it in your post. That's a very bold claim to make and you deliberately drew attention to it, so it's only natural that people would focus on that. Also, the mistakes you made are very relevant to the discussion of whether or not this game was unwinnable, which is exactly what you asked for our opinions on, so neither pointing that out nor challenging your assertion that you are one of the best Nurse players out there is "toxic". It's just addressing the content of your post the way you invited us to.
Regarding the game itself, 11.5 minutes is not a genrush. That's actually longer than the average game length. And as for meta perks, the only ones I saw in play were Dead Hard, one Borrowed Time, and that one DS that Nea hit you with, which was admittedly unfortunate, but that's hardly being victim to a full roster of meta perks.
Since only Nea used DS, the fact that the other three had it is irrelevant when it comes to analysing your loss in this game. Same goes for the other three Borrowed Times, and possibly the Sprint Burst (although it might have been used at one point and I just missed it). The Borrowed Time you should honestly have expected from a team with 3 Dead Hards and just hooked the rescuer you'd just downed instead of trying to secure both of them - part of being good at this game is anticipating what perks your opponent is likely to be using and playing around that (and that goes for both sides). You also lost pressure at certain points by camping one spot for too long - even if you know there are survivors nearby, if you can't find them right away, you need to leave the area and put some pressure elsewhere, because while you're hanging around looking for the one or two survivors you know are nearby, their friends elsewhere are doing generators uncontested. I also personally think that you slugged too much and lost pressure because of it. I could be wrong, because I have seen slugging done well and maybe things wouldn't have worked out if you hadn't done that, but in my personal opinion, it's overrated as a method of applying pressure and if you had hooked even half the people you slugged early on instead of leaving them to get picked up by their friends, you might have got more kills towards the end.
In short, my opinion is this: you didn't play far better than the survivors did, your skills were roughly on the same level from what I saw in that match, and you also made more mistakes than you seem to think. In the end, the survivors managed to pip you at the post, which could perhaps have avoided if they hadn't used Dead Hard or DS, but could also have been avoided, I think, if you had hooked them more in the early game. What this game proves is that meta perks give you an edge, which everyone already knows, and that Dead Hard is particularly brutal against Nurse. It doesn't prove that they're overpowered or impossible to beat, and, to be blunt, you would probably improve more as a player if you looked back on games like this and analysed your own mistakes more carefully rather than blaming your loss on "meta perks".
I mean you are right with the first one people are most of the time gonna talk about that claim, but that still doesn't really excuse that they didn't really read my post and what it was about. I mean if you think I am not one of the best than that's totally fine but you just don't have to say that, its not what this post is about. I said toxic to the first one because I miss understood it, the person said "this comes from one of the worst nurse's in the game". The person meant himself and I just thought he was insulting me for no reason even tho that it wasn't about what the post is.
I never said I got genrushed. It is just that even they can finish gens and escape before the killer has a chance to kill them all, not because the survivors are good and keeping him for long but because they just keep wasting his time and stealing his deserved kills with meta perks like DH, even tho they didn't play better than the killer. BT and DS didn't do much in that game, it was mainly DH that made them win, there was one DS after waiting a long time and not tunneling. But usually in these games DS and DH are like the main perks that are making someone lose no matter how well he plays. In this game it was just only one DS luckely.
Yes you missed the point SB was used 2x in this game by the claudette. I made mistakes yes and lost presure at the beginning when I had 2x slugged. I don't even really have to argue about it you are mostly right with that cant deny it.
The survivors made mistakes same as me, I might have missed some while watching this replay of it. It is not OP but is just extremely hard to beat. And just what this is about is that even if a strong nurse with omega blink cant even get 2 kills for just making a few mistakes, and the survivors are completely getting carried by DH and other meta perks. Than how are people suppost to win that are on a bad map, ppl that just are not really experienced or just someone who plays a weaker killer? That's just what I am worried about.
And btw ty, your post was really good and not just mostly trash talk which other ppl wrote down here.
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@IronKnight55 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1560391#Comment_1560391
I'm not saying you played bad, just that I don't think you're one of the best. I've seen better. Anyways, no killer is going to win 100% of the time. You made some mistakes that game and you lost. Not really a big deal.
Yes thats totally fine if you think I'm not one of the best, that's just how I would consider myself of my nurse skill. Just this post wasn't about that, I just used it as an example to show how strong meta perks are because if a strong nurse with omega blink cant even win against it, even tho the survivors are just average players than it is not really fine. And you are also right with no killer is gonna win every time, but that's also just not what I said. OF COURSE I also lose games thats the most common thing in this game.
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@LowSpecGamersMatter said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1560242#Comment_1560242
64 streak of 4k as nurse is nothing special, sorry to burst your bubble of thinking you are on the top league. I do 50+ 4k streaks on Killer rotation without even trying really hard.
I just said I am a really strong nurse as an example to show of how strong these perks are, and I would even say that I am one of the best (Not THE BEST, but one of the best). I mean I don't even understand what this post is about, I was asking what people think of meta perks and their balance and used that as an example to show how strong they are. Yes you may be a really strong killer if that's what you are saying is true and that's really cool :D, but just it has nothing to do with it.
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@Veen said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1560395#Comment_1560395
You said you wanted opinions, I gave you mine.
Ye just your opinion in that post really wasn't about what this post was, I was asking what people think of how strong meta perks are. And this game was just an example to show, if a really strong nurse with omega blink cant beat average survivors in a 4 man swf all with meta perks. Not because they are better but JUST because of these perks. How is a average killer suppost to have a chance to win? Or someone on a bad killer map or just someone who plays clown or trapper? But I mean its still your opinion so yes okay, we can leave it like that.
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@knell said:
I haven't watched your game, and I don't know how great you are at this game.
I'll just say this:
If you are actually one of the best players of that particular killer (as in, you've reached the maximum potential of that character) and if all of your opponents are the best players of survivors doing SWF (as in, they've reached the maximum potential of playing survivors as well as maximizing communication), and you all play together over hundreds of times at your absolute best, and you average less than 2 kills per match, then yes, it means that 4-SWF is not balanced and they need to be nerfed. However, if they average less than 2 Escapes per match (again, over many, many games), then that means the killer type is too strong and needs to be nerfed.
This goes for any killer character. In order to get any balanced game, you balance at the height of its potentials, and then adjust from there.
But in your case, it's difficult to draw any conclusion from just one game.
The problem is I'm not saying 4 man swf's are a problem. They are hard to beat but thats completely normal, 4 people communicating are still beatable and they should also be hard to beat.
The problem is just that these survivors were just average players that aren't that good. The only reason they won wasn't because they played better but because they just played these meta perks. And now how is someone suppost to beat this with a weak killer like clown or trapper? How is someone suppost to beat this on a bad killer map? How is someone suppost to beat this that just isn't that extremely good?
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@dugman said:
- The video doesn't show the endgame scores so I can't actually tell who won or lost.
- First gen is done at 2 minutes, pretty average
- Second gen at 3:25, again pretty average
- Third gen is at 3:41. So three total gens in 220 seconds. It takes 80 seconds to do a gen solo without any buffs or toolboxes so 220 seconds for three gens is not really out of the ordinary for good players
- Fourth gen takes another three minutes. Presumably this is where the Nurse is juggling multiple opponents off gens so it takes longer. Still no kills after 6:45 seconds.
- Fifth and final gen done at 11:20, almost five minutes later. Still no kills.
I can't comment on the Nurse play one way or another, I hardly ever play her. But considering 60% of matches between equal opponents end with the Exit gates open the above seems pretty average of a game where maybe the killer didn't quite do well enough to get a kill early so the Exits got opened and three escaped. Not an indication of anything wrong with the game though.
I had a little more than 30k points (didn't pipe and only one kill, so it was a lose for me).
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@Jed_Olsen said:
Wow, get over yourself bud. You lost a game and also threw in a humble brag of going 64 games in a row with a 4k. So you clearly can beat meta perks, do you actually expect to win every game?
No I get really high win streaks as long as I don't play against people that are all running full meta perks, and if they do neither I get maps like the game where nurse is obsolutely broken or the survivors just are really bad.
I'm not saying I expect to win every game, you clearly didn't understand what this post was about. This post was about that meta perks are extremely hard to beat no matter how well the killer plays. I never complained that I lost, infact I'm happy that I finally had a fun challenging game.
It is just if one of the best nurse's in the game with omega blink cant beat survivors with meta perks, not because they are better but JUST because of meta perks. How is someone suppost to have a chance to win that isn't that good? How is someone suppost to win that plays a killer like clown or trapper? That's what this post was about.
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@EqMonkVeeshan said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1560242#Comment_1560242
you only lose 5 games a week and your crying because of one SWF seal team? sounds to me like killers are OP! i mean just imagine if a survivor only lost 5 matches in a week...............
I'm not crying because I lost, I finally had a fun game where I didn't just win. I'm just complaining because if I cant win because of them running meta perks instead of being better. How are you suppost to win with a killer that isn't nurse? How is someone suppost to win that isn't extremely good at the game? These survivors weren't bad, but they also weren't extremely good they were just average players as a 4 man swf.
I mean I can understand if someone says nurse is OP, and I wouldn't call her balanced. But there is a reason why nurse shouldn't get nerfed and is fine. She is by far the hardest killer in the game to learn and takes a lot of skill. People have to practice for her for a while to get good. the only thing nurse does is rewarding skill. Its a whole different story with spirit. But thats why killers are not OP.
Edit: I don't lose only about 5 games per week because I'm playing nurse. Other people that play nurse lose way more often. It is because I am really good with the nurse.
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@Slickstyles said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1560318#Comment_1560318
By camping the gen, you're at a stalemate with 3 survivors while allowing the fourth to progress the game by doing gens. However on your end, you are not progressing the game by hooking other survivors. I know this seems incredibly nitpicky but it is free criticism.
You said that you don't lose games very often and had you used stronger perks, you could've pulled off a few more kills with more gen slowdown. In in this case, if you played as well as these survivors and made the same amount of mistakes, you lost because you decided to use flex perks. Therefore, I'm not sure where you're trying to go with this post.
With the first one you are right because I didn't think of the fourth survivor in this point. I got a free down from it at the hook but also the fourth survivor made progress with gens while I was doing nothing. I would've probably got 2 if not even 3 kills if I used gen slowdown. But I usually don't use it because I don't need it in like 90% of my games.
Where I'm trying to go with my post is. If someone cant beat these survivors not because they are playing better but because of them running meta perks. And the killer is playing the strongest killer in the game with the strongest add-on. Than most killers are not gonna be able to beat these survivors because of these perks no matter how well the killer does. How is someone who plays Huntress suppost to win this? Huntress is not even weak but WEAKER than nurse, and a huntress would stand no chance and I also couldn't do really much.
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@Veen said:
I mean, for the strongest Nurse around you make a hell lot of mistakes, It must be shameful compared to your wannabes who 4k at 4 gens left.
I never said I was the best nurse. And this post was about something else and not about how I play nurse.
Mistakes I made in this game:
Overcharged a blink. Followed a survivor instead of staying nearby my slugs. Got juked on like 2 of my blinks.
damn thats a lot of mistakes. If you are gonna trashtalk without even reading what I wrote please do it somewhere else.
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@IronKnight55 said:
Best Nurse in the game... lol
I never said I am the best, I just said I am one of the best. That was my first lose in 2 - 3 days and a over 20 games 4k streak. You can see that I play nurse in that match really well and almost no one is denying that. This post was not even about this so if you are just gonna trashtalk don't even post this ######### please.
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@chase131119 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1560249#Comment_1560249
They were never calling you one of the worst nurses, they were calling themselves one of the worst nurses.
Yea thank you for reminding me, first it just looked like he just insults me for overcharging one blink in the game.
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@Waffleyumboy said:
You can't win em all, no matter how good you proclaim to be.
I'm not complaining because I lost, I'm just complaining because I would say I'm a really strong nurse and I used omega blink and the map also wasn't that bad. I did about 3 - 4 mistakes in this game and only got one kill even tho I played better than the survivors. And if the strongest killer in the game with a player who can play that killer really well and the strongest add-on cant beat survivors because of meta perks. Than they are not really balanced. And just think of it like someone who doesn't play nurse, lets say someone who play Huntress how are they suppost to have a chance to win?
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@StibbityStabbity said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1560292#Comment_1560292
If anything, they did a LOT of slugging.
Do you mean with "they" that I slugged a lot? I'm not sure what you said but if you mean me yes I was slugging them at some points to gain map presure of it.
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@AChaoticKiller said:
If you slugged i think you could have won? Im not going to watch since i can already see how that game would go but with no unbreakable you could have tried to snowball. Unless you thought they might be running that perk and tried to avoid slugging to get more hooks either way you have a valid point. Besides in a normal game you have to assume the worst and with gen rushing with meta and playing safely against the killer(besides nurse) you cant realistically win especially if you going for a normal 10+ hooks game. Against that you have to get everybody downed and hooked while no ones dead to win because unbreakable and ds will prevent you from tunneling and your definitely not going to kill someone before gens get done unless your satisfied with 1 or 2 kills.
I did a kyf with a group of r1's using coms, meta perks, rushing, and they played safe and i went demo and hag. They were only average in a chase and as demo non lasted longer than 40 second. I couldn't snowball and only got 1 kill but about 7 or 8 hooks.. As hag same situation but i got all but 1 down but 1 had unbreakable and i lost from that with 1 kill o and they all had DH. Hag suffers similarly to nurse against DH so i barely got downs after that in that game, i think i got about 4 hooks.
If I just slugged all of them down I could've maybe won yes. two of them had unbreakable, I just didn't mention it in the post because they never got to use it in that match. It is just really hard to beat those survivors with all of them running meta perks, the killer will most of the time lose not because the survivors are better but because all of them are running these perks with almost no counter play to it. You completely understood what this post was about, you cant really win, maybe if you are a nurse but than the survivors must be not that good at the game.
As you also said you have to imagine this with a killer that isn't that experienced, or just someone who doesn't play nurse but instead plays something like gorgon like you did in your kyf games.
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@Aven_Fallen said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1560249#Comment_1560249
Oh, I would never criticize your playstyle, I am not good at Nurse, not even close. And honestly, I just stopped the video at the point, because it got boring to see you camping.
But, you say that you get a lot of 4Ks, lose only 5 games a week (considering how you said that, it means that you rarely lose), but then you complain about one of the few times you actually lose a game?
Being good at the game, not even being good at the best Killer in the game should guarantee a win. This is a Multiplayer Online Game, this means both sides should have the chance to win. And if you almost ever win this shows that the Nerfs regarding Nurse were justified.
(But dont worry, my opinion will not be popular here. I guess you can just write something about Nurse being too weak in the title and write whatever you want in your Post, you will still get a lot Upvotes)
I mean you can criticize my playstyle, it just had nothing to do with the post and your post just felt really toxic. Because I also mentioned that I also made mistakes and you don't have to tell me that I made some, but I mean I still explained why I did these things.
I'm not complaining that I lost, I am really grateful that I had a challenging game because most of the time I win with them not even having a gen done (this is not suppost to be a flex this is just how it is). It is just if not even a extremely strong nurse with omega blink that didn't make that many mistakes has no chance against these survivors, not because they are better but because of all of them running meta perks. Than it just means that its not balanced. And I mean I don't want to say that I should win every game. But just I want people to think about it like: imagine this with a killer that isn't that good or doesn't played for long. Imagine this with a killer that isn't nurse, nurse is the only killer that can beat a really strong swf. Not even a good spirit can stop them from genrushing. And if they all are running full meta perk builds that its almost impossible to win no matter how good the killer plays. That's why I made this post.
About the nerfs, I can totally understand if people want to nerf nurse. But you also got to think of it from this way:
Nurse is by far the hardest killer in the game and also takes a while to learn. The different between nurse and spirit is that spirit maybe needs 5 games and you can just win almost every game not because you are good, but because you play spirit. Nurse is different because she just rewards players for learning a hard killer, and basically the only thing nurse does is reward skill with a strong killer.
You didn't had to write that last sentence. That's just again trash talk. Nurse is not too weak, I also never said that.
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@Slickstyles said:
Experience equates to knowledge. It doesn't always equate to the highest level of skill. I'm sorry but you're not one of the best nurses that I've seen in the game. You decided to camp the gen and boat instead of moving on to find the next survivor.
If you ran Pop instead of deerstalker, you could've kicked the gen and moved on to another chase instead of wasting time. You had two good slugs that you allowed to be picked and lost all of your pressure while wasting time on another injured survivor. Those are critical mistakes.
You also had chances to blink on top of survivors to bait out dead hard so that you can hit them with your second hit but you didn't. In addition to that, you mistimed your blinks, overblinked/underblinked.
I'm not saying you're a bad nurse at all. You played her really well. You play like a seasoned killer but there are better and I've seen better. A single survivor's mistake equates to 25% of the team. If you make a mistake, you make a mistake for 100% of your team (YOU). Killer is the harder role and you have to own up to the fact that you did not play well enough to take down that whole team.
I decided to camp on the boat for like 20 seconds for the following reason:
There were 2 survivors at the boat hiding and waiting for me to go away from the gen so they can finish it. By staying up there I was just wasting booth of these survivors time. I could've also searched for them and I usually would've done it but I could just keep an eye on the survivor and get a free down as soon as someone unhooks which I also got.
Ye pop would've been helpful on that gen. I usually only run 2 perks on nurse because in over 90% of my games I don't need mroe than 2 perks. Shadowborn and Deerstalker are just two flex perks, Shadowborn just feels good and Deerstalker to end endgames faster. It also allows me to slug more if needed because I know where everyone is.
When I could've countered DH I would've done it. About middle of the game I realized that almost all of them had DH excluding the claudette. And when I had the chance to counter DH I did. The problem is just if the survivor is not really close to you than you cant really counter it. you have to blink exactly on top of the survivor with your first blink. Even if he is only 10 meters away from you thats already enough because by me blinking exactly on top of them they can just easily doubleback and I will need my second blink to get to them. And if I get to them they will DH. In situations like at the shack I could counter it.
I never said that I am the best nurse out there, but I said I am one of the best ones. There are not many strong nurse's left and I also cant think of many better nurse's at the moment. But yes of course there are better nurse's out there, but I mean even a really strong nurse with omega blink that cant beat survivors just because of meta perks would already be enough to say that its not really balanced.
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@xenofon13 said:
Oh my god the best nurse worldwide 🤭
Btw don't use the word "toxic" so often.
Toxic is racism, homophobic attacks, etc.
By telling you that you missing hits, camping, is not "toxic" bud. Relax.
If you are just gonna say some provocating ######### don't even post under this.
I didn't say that he / she was toxic because of telling me that, I said it was toxic because she just ignored exactly what I said. Wants to tell me that I'm one of the worst nurse's for overcharging one single blink.
I mean ye sure he / she can tell me which mistakes I made, but I never even claimed I did no mistakes. I said that I made mistakes same as the survivors. It just has nothing to do with the discussion.
And why do you have to make fun of me again for no reason? This could be a normal discussion but people like you just have to type some stupid things like "Oh my god the best nurse worldwide". Please if you are gonna type something just don't type something like this.
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@MeatBycicle said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1560242#Comment_1560242
It doesn't matter what you say, survivor mains will come up with an excuse as how you should have played better and all those meta perks wouldn't have mattered.
The survivors in that match even said themselves after the game that I played way better than them. And they also kind of agreed that they wouldn't have won if they wouldn't get carried by it. Other people like @Aven_Fallen are just an perfect example of what you described. Just not understanding what this discussion is for and just leaving a toxic post. I made like 3 - 4 mistakes in that game. And these mistakes didn't even made me lose I still would've lost even if I didn't make those.
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@Aven_Fallen said:
What makes you say that you are one of the best Nurses of the game? This is coming from one of the worst Nurses of the game, but I see you missing your second Hit (he used Dead Hard, but too late) and camping on the boat instead of going for other Survivors...
Are you just trying to be straight up toxic? Yes I missed my second hit that was just an overcharge, it just looked like he would double back but instead he kept walking, and I overcharged my blink by a little so I couldn't get him. How do you want to say that I am one of the worst nurses for that one single mistake? I mean mistakes happen, even if not often. I was camping on the boat for about 20 seconds because there was a almost done gen on top of it and 2 survivors hiding to finish the gen. I stayed up there for a little because two survivors were wasting their time by just waiting for me to go. And at the same time I could instantly go for a survivor as soon as they try to unhook. Maybe now you understand the thought process of it.
I am maining her for 3 years now and got a lot of experience. I almost never lose my games, one example for that are my 64 4k's in a row for that. This post wasn't even about that, I even said that I made a few mistakes. It was about what you think of survivors running full meta perks since it is extremely hard to beat. And not for people to be toxic.
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@LowSpecGamersMatter said:
how are you the self proclaimed "one the best nurses" if I can ask?
There are not many nurse mains left, I main her for 3 years and I am one of the most experienced ones that are still playing her. My highest 4k streak was 64 games in a row, and usually I maybe lose like 5 games per week.
I also have not many people in my mind right now that would be better than me. I would say bruscles is about the same skill level as me, I would say I'm a little better than scorpionz. And yea I just cant really think of many people being much better than me as nurse.
But also why does that matter? This post was about something else, it was about what you think of survivors all running full meta perk builds. It is extremely hard to beat and if a really good nurse with omega blink even stands no chance against it than that doesn't sound really good right?
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@ChickenMcthicken_5 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1556605#Comment_1556605
Respecting it is basically the counter, the boost it gives you is so small that if you don't attack and bait it out you reach it in 1 second. How the ######### respecting it situational, unless your on Badham, Lery or The game is literally very hard to all the times find good loops cause there are three other survivors to chase around the map. For the trappers trap, I guess try to put it in areas that are covered by grass, most maps have pallets and even vaults close to them, yes it's annoying that they jump over the trap but you can attempt to make the survivor use it before reaching the trap. The Huntress is barely affected by DH, if he is on a dead zone just throw another one, you have 5 of them. It's funny your saying I have no argument when your arguments themselves are so weak. Saying DH is OP is absurd on so many levels and I don't believe for a second that you actually play survivor or constantly play Against ######### killers . DH is fine the way it is, I explained it to NurseBootie, you can read it and maybe understand what I mean. If you don't, than keep living in your bubble where apparently DH is entirely uncounterable. And honestly if you fall for DH more than 1 time by the same survivor in every game than honestly your a horrible killer and you need to GIT GUD.
Respecting it is the counter yes, and if you can bait it out which is not often the case it also works well with countering it.
If a survivor doesn't know how the map is build up and starts walking large distances to far away loops that you could get a free hit its not on the perk side but on the player side. The way to respect DH is just not swinging when you could swing at them. And when you can swing you will also not be at a loop or something but instead in a deadzone. And if a survivor just walks to one its his own fault.
"I guess try putting it in grass" Survivors are not gonna walk through grass against a trapper. Even the I guess just shows you don't even know what to do. Why do you try denying that it doesn't counter trapper when you know it does?
Same for Huntress if a survivor just uses DH into a deadzone its their own fault. It just counters her ability since you can just DH when she throws a hatchet at you. No counter what so ever.
I have no argument, this is the first post you actually said something not completely braindead and toxic things. And if my arguments are so bad than how do you explain why you have been wrong until now in every point? Which arguments are bad? You cant even argue against trapper getting countered by DH and just say weird things like "I guess" or "try make them use DH before they reach the trap". Just a little fun fact if you want them to use DH you will have to get close to them, and you cant just start walking faster as a killer to reach them just saying mate.
"Saying DH is OP is absured on so many levels" Only thing you said until now is, "iT's NoT sItUaTiOnAl YoU cAn AlWaYs BaIt" "uhhh I gUeSs MaKe ThEm UsE dH eArLiEr". You basically still have no right argument against it until now. "I don't believe for a second you actually play survivor" How do you want to know that? Instead of bringing a good point you just guess something you cant know. I do play survivor and killer booth actively, a little more killer than survivor. I even stopped using DH myself as a survivor because it just felt like a crutch for me.
A few months ago I would've said DH was really strong just like now but it can stay the way it is. Since the ruin nerf playing killer is just most of the time really sweaty with a normal killer unless your survivors are complete babys. Gens go really fast and the killer needs all time he has to presure survivors and stop gens. If you usually need 30 - 50 seconds to end a chase instead of 10 seconds. Not because your survivors are playing better than you, but because they all have DH and press E. If it would take at least some skill but no not even that, if something is really strong it should also take more skill than things that are not as strong. For example that's why Nurse is fine but Spirit isn't even tho Nurse is stronger. If they would make changes that would just make DH harder to use it would already be fine, doesn't even have to get big nerfs.
"Keep living in your bubble where DH is OP" and as always no argument, just a lot of trash talk.
Btw I never fall for DH, if I got the chance to respect it I will always do it. And again you are saying some random things that you don't even know instead of bringing a good argument. "Your a horrible killer GIT GUD" and the same thing again.
Incase you should respond what I think you will I will not argue with you anymore. You have no points and you are just trash talking the entire game instead of giving some normal points like what you should do in a discussion. No need to argue anymore.
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@Deadman316 said:
Nope. Sprint Burst is more effective, it's pretty much a healthy Dead Hard.
Sprintburst can be better than DH in many games I totally have to agree on that, but SB doesn't need a change like DH.
It doesn't just give you second chances for no skill by pressing one single button. It gives you distance and can help out in repositioning. For example if there is a gen in a deadzone with no pallets or windows than the only way to get out of there is spine chill OR Sprintburst.
It CAN be a second chance perk when 99ed, but you first have to get rid of your exhaustion until the last moment. You cant stop sprinting otherwise your 99 will be gone. And if a survivor just doesn't sprint but instead walk it is really obvious you got SB and no one will sprint.
Usually when you don't 99 it and you work on a gen instead you cant sprint otherwise you will waste your SB, so you will be moving slow through the map. This perk just takes more skill and doesn't give you second chances for just pressing a button. It got downsides like you cant sprint and have to move slow through the map while not being in a chase or exhausted. This is why I think SB can stay the way it is not like DH, even tho SB is most of the time better.
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@SCP_FOR_DBD said:
Its really easy to bait and doesn’t work half the time. Its certainly good, but not broken. Edit: just realized I already commented on this lmao.
Baiting it is easy yes but it is really situational, most of the time you wont be able to bait it because survivors are just gonna use it for distance to reach a pallet or window and there is no way to counter that. The survivor didn't play better than the killer, the only thing he did was pressing one single button.
You cant use it as an argument that it doesn't work often. A bug is not part of the perk. It has nothing to do with the potential. And you are also arguing against yourself with that, as soon as it gets fixed and the devs even said themselves that they are gonna fix dedicated servers and with that DH it will just become even stronger.
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@Tizzle said:
If a Survivor uses Dead Hard to make it to a pallet or window and avoid taking damage isn't that doing exactly what the perk is designed to do????
Read the description of the perk.
The problem is not that it's doing its job, the problem is WHAT its job is. Its job is giving you 3 second chances per game if not even more. It can keep doing its job and it also should do that. It should just do something else.
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@BabyDweetMain said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1556622#Comment_1556622
Okay don't be a dick. I don't know you and you don't know me so stop with the ######### attitude.
Deadhard is not overpowered. If you think it is, you're just bad as killer, PERIOD. You can always bait deadhard just by getting close to them before hitting. If you lunge and they deadhard, at first that's fine, you now know they have it and the perk is doing what it's SUPPOSED TO DO, but if it's constantly cucking you from hitting them, that's on you for not playing to bait it. And so what if they use it to get to a pallet. Since the devs listened to all the cry baby killers such as yourself and took away and broke many loops and added more deadzones to maps, you may need deadhard to get from one loop to another without risking getting hit in the middle of a deadzone.
And may I remind you that it also gives exhaustion. You can't use it again and again. If you're letting a survivor get it back by walking or standing, again, you're just bad at killer.
And by your nurse profile picture, I'm guessing you play her? JUST TELEPORT TO THEM AFTER THEY DEADHARD. Nurse players should be the last people complaining about deadhard. Their whole power is an easy counter to it. Stop trying to nerf survivors even more just cause you still suck.
First you tell me to stop with the ######### attitude, yes you are right and I shouldn't say things like I did because I don't know you. And I'm sorry about it I wont do it again. But in the same post you just tell me multiple times that I'm a trash killer and I just suck? ??????????????
You cannot ALWAYS bait DH. It is really situational that you are close to them and can bait out a hit and than get a free down. The very most time they are just gonna use it to get to a pallet or a window where they wont make it to without DH. The killer cant counter that and as a survivor you just got a second chance, not for playing better than the killer, but instead for pressing one single button which takes no skill. Survivors also don't get punished for mistakes. If the killer mindgames them and just play better or the survivor just makes a dumb mistake they can just press E and get a second chance most of the time.
It gives you exhaustion so you cant use it multiple times in a chase yes. If a survivor can just hold them for so long that they just get their exhaustion back in the middle of the chase the killer must be embarrasing bad. But it is already insanely strong by just gaining 3 second chances for gaming, 3 chases to kill you. And I'm not even counting if the killer has to give up a chase. That will also happen sometimes that you are wasting too much time of the killer by just pressing one single button and than the killer just has to give up the chase. In that case you can use it even more often than 3 times. But
Just because I have a nurse pp it doesn't have to mean I play her, but I mean in this case you are right I main nurse since 2017. You can only bait DH if the survivor is like 5 meters infront of you. lets say for example he has DH and is 15 meters away. To bait DH I must blink exactly on top of the survivor with only one blink. But by just charging 15 meters up and blink right on the survivor I just play her blinks wrong and give the survivor an easy juke to my blink. They can just double back in that case and you wont even reach them with a second blink. Just if the survivor is not far away you can blink on top of them with only one blink fast enough that they cant double back, and than I can use my second blink to hit them after the DH. The very most times you cant bait a DH as nurse because the survivor will just have a good distance on you since after you injure them they will gain a sprintburst and you will get a fatigue stun and a cooldown. The whole power is not an easy counter to it as it is just really easy to "counter the counter", unless the nurse is like quite close to you. But just because nurse is the strongest killer in the game does that mean that I cant complain about DH because it needs changes? I could also say the same thing for survivors, survivor has always been the stronger role in this game and the game is very survivor sided. So I could also just say survivors cant complain about spirit right? No they still can, same as I can complain about DH. What you just said makes no sense. And since survivors are the stronger role and gens already go way too fast they don't need a second chance perk like DH that just takes no skill and rewards the player for nothing instead of giving the killer his deserved kill, and this is not because I just suck. You don't know how I play so stop saying those things after you told me to stop with that. I would consider myself one of the best nurse players out there and I maybe lose like 5 games per week as nurse. And if I want to tryhard and play 4 perks and add-ons everygame I would legit almost never lose. But I mean yea I just suck and thats why I want to nerf DH you are right ; ). Like literally you have never seen me play before same as I have never seen you play, you might also be a extremely strong player I don't know. The only thing I just said was I don't think you play since 4 years. And I mean that's still not okay and I'm sorry for that again.
"Okay don't be a dick. I don't know you and you don't know me so stop with the ######### attitude." xD
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@pwncxkes said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1556622#Comment_1556622
Not all The time people are going to use Dead Hard to a window or pallet. Here are some scenarios.
1) You Dead Hard into a deadzone with nothing.
2)Dedicated Servers cucks you
3) The survivor actually makes it to a pallet/window with Dead Hard.
4) The survivor Dead Hards to a pallet but still gets hit.
5) the survivor Dead Hards into a corner/wall.
There are more situations the survivor can get downed than getting away.
If dead Harding to a pallet/window is the only effective way to use it then how does that make it a overpowering perk? Dead Hards job is to avoid damage, but sometimes it doesn’t work in your favor at all like. Like you said if survivors use it most of time to go to pallets and windows then why is it a problem? The only thing survivors have is pallets and windows to escape.
Killers have abilities/addons to make Dead Hard less effective like insti down addons or The Oni or The Hillbilly, instadown hatchets, Tier 3 Myers, Ghostface, addons that make you exhausted,etc. You said Dead Hard can counter most killers. Well, Most killers can make Dead Hard less effective or in some cases useless.
There is so much bullshit in this I don't even know where to start...
Yes not ALL the time, but MOST of the time as I said. Can you read what I even type before saying some #########?
1) That's the mistake of a survivor. DH is really easy to use and takes no skill, and if a survivor still manages to mess up its completely the survivors mistake and has nothing to do with the perk.
2) The devs said they will fix dedication with their servers and also DH. You cant use an bug as an argument a bug is not part of the potential perk its just a bug and will get fixed. And as soon as it gets fixed survivors also wont die to that.
3) ??? You are just saying exactly what I say lol???
4) Usually that never happens, when you DH to a pallet you get a dash forward that gives you a little bit of distance which is enough. After your dash you instantly drop the pallet. The killer cant just swing after your entire dash behind the pallet. This scenario can never happen and even if it could it would be extremely rare.
5) That's not the perks mistake but the mistake of a survivor. DH is really easy to use and if someone still manages to DH into a wall and dies than this survivor is just a complete baby and 99% of all survivors are able to not DH into a wall. And also this is just a mistake on the player side and has nothing to do with the perk.
It is not the only effective way to use DH, it is just one example of what survivors usually use DH for. And that has no counterplay to it like baiting the hit. There are way more scenarious for example where DH is used with no counterplay. For example you unhook a survivor and than instantly use DH to go behind him. The unhooked survivor tanks a hit / bodyblocks because he has DS or the other survivor that unhooked had BT. This is just one out of a few more scenarios where survivors use DH where you just cant counter it. The next sentence from you just made me rage a little bit... I said that survivors DH to pallet or windows where they wont make it to without DH. The problem is not that survivors use pallets or windows, but the problem is that they wont make it to it and the killer should get a hit / down. But instead the survivor can just get a second chance by the press of E, takes no skill and gives a second chance for nothing 3x per game and the killer has no counterplay against it. You would've known that if you would read what I type, instead you just say stupid things like: WhY iS iT a PrObLeM tHeY jUsT uSe PaLlEtS oR wInDoWs.
You are right for the very first time which really surprises me. DH counters 50% of all killer abilitys with no counterplay. But some killers can also counter DH.
Oni, Hillbilly, Myers, Ghostface. These killers have the ability to onehit you and not even let you get injured to use DH. The thing is these killers cant always do that (exeption hillbilly).
Oni has to get his ability first by injuring survivors which gives them DH and than he can onehit for 60 seconds, in these 60 seconds he can counter DH if the survivor he is chasing isn't already injured. I wouldn't say he really counters it.
Hillbilly is the only killer that can always onehit survivors. And most of the time you will also be able to chainsaw / curve them so they are instantly downed. Nothing I gotta say to this you are right with this one.
Myers can only onehit survivors for 60 seconds in his last tier which also takes long to get and before that you will have more tier 2 than tier 3 chases and injure people that can than use DH. I wouldn't really say he is really countering it.
Ghostface doesn't stalk often, most of the time you are just using his stealth mode for mindgames and to sneak up on ppl to get free hits. Its most of the time easy to spot ghostface, even tho it depends on the map. Usually a ghostface stalks like max 2 survivors per game. He also doesn't really counter it most of the time like the others.
About the Iri Hatchets or exhaustion add-ons. These are also just ADD-ONS. Iri hatchets is one of 20 add-ons that huntress has and it is a PINK add-on. It's not really a point that just this add-on is counter it. Same goes for the exhaustion add-on just a few killers have exhaustion add-ons and these are also just one single add-on out of many. One example for this: Iron Will is the only perk that counters spirit. And there are 80 survivor perks. Does that mean that spirit doesn't need a nerf? No it does not mean that.
From all your points only one single one was right, and that only one point was also just kind of right with the add-ons and killers because they don't really counter it (exeption hillbilly). And I don't really want to argue with someone who mostly doesn't even read what I say so I'm also gonna stop arguing with you. If you are gonna answer I'm just not gonna answer back I'm just done with arguing with people like you all the time in this discussion.
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@BabyDweetMain said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1556419#Comment_1556419
I'm always rank 1 and have been playing for 4 years, both killer and survivor. If you're seriously complaining about deadhard, you're just crying for attention at this point.
If you would play for 4 years you would know that rank means NOTHING and you wouldn't try to say you are good by just being Rank 1.
Second you cant just bait a hit out, it is really situational and most of the time the survivor is just gonna use it for distance to get to a pallet or window. The killer has no counterplay to it and the survivor just gets a second chance by the press of one single button.
You cant use "iT dOeSn'T eVeN wOrK" as an argument. Usually if it doesn't work you are just doing it too late and you can counter that it doesn't work by just using DH early, and you will get exhausted on the ground less often. The devs said that they are gonna work on dedication with their servers and fix all the problem like getting hit away from 10 miles, and also fixing DH.
And you are kind of arguing against yourself at this point, even if they wouldn't fix it soon... doesn't that still mean if it works it would be even stronger? You cant say a perk is fine just because of bugs, these bugs have nothing to do with the potential of DH and still is only a bug.
Can you just bring one single good argument for once? You have just been talking bullshit this entire discussion, please stop denying that your 3 second chances per game for just pressing one single button should get taken away. :)
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@ChickenMcthicken_5 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1553978#Comment_1553978
Says the guy who thinks DH is OP.
DH gives you 3 second chances per game. The only way to counter it is by respecting it, which is really situational. Most of the time the killer cant respect it because the survivor is gonna use it for distance to reach a pallet or window. There is no way to counter that and it takes no skill for the survivor its just pressing one button. And that 3 times per game, even more often if the kilelr gives up a chase because they are wasting too much time because of DH.
DH also counters exactly 50% of all killer abilitys with no counterplay to it (exeption Deathslinger).
What are you gonna do as trapper when a survivor DH through your trap?*
What are you gonna do if you throw a hatchet at them and they just use DH?
That goes for 10 killers, 50% of all. The killer just plays better and uses his ability right, and the survivor just gets a second chance with no counterplay to it even tho the killer played better. And the only thing the survivor had to do was press one single button.
And now please tell me why DH is fine the way it is, instead of just saying some braindead ######### mister survivor main. Please just give me a good argument why DH should stay the way it is and why it is balanced. :)
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@nxbvla said:
xbox one with crossplay on
all tank 19/20 killer and survivors, one survivor new to the game (the first one to get stuck).
killer was Doctor
was playing with two of my friends (3 of us in total). one of them got stuck and so the other went to go save them, all while the killer had hooked me in the basement. they ended up both getting stuck in the rock and i died. the fourth survivor who wasn’t queued with us was able to get the killers attention after about 30 minutes of the killer not paying attention. they got unstuck after the killer downed them and they farmed for bloodpoint afterwards.
video linked from youtube, POV of them being stuck.
This didn't happen to me but while I was playing killer it happened to my opponents. They should fix it.
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@jacindazs said:
BBQ is one of the most OP perk. I literally dont understand, why is so powerful. Lets compare BBQ and We will gonna live forever.
Meanwhile survivor must take protection or make safe rescue, for killer is no extra effort. Killer MUST hook survivals. Both gives bonus bloodpoints. Ok
But. If you have BBQ you see auras. If you have WWGLF, you dont see anything. Instead of you risk own life for saving smb. Mostly you must use other perk like borrow time for example, that can help you.
So my suggestion is: Split perk to two.
first one: show auras
second one: give stackable bonus.
BBQ has following counters:
Go inside a locker.
Get in a 40 meter range of the hock.
Hide behind a gen.
Its also your fault if you are not countering it and after that you are not moving at all. Many times you will also be so far away that the killer wont bother going for you and instead go for nearby survivors. BBQ is totally fine and I mean I can understand if people complain about perks like NOED, even if someone complains about devour I can kind of understand it. But BBQ???? Are you serious? How much playtime do you have?
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@ChickenMcthicken_5 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1542418#Comment_1542418
Yeah, only if your braindead
your a clown