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@Oblitiry said:
I think you two need to just get it on already. The obvious tension here is making me about as sweaty as a middle aged woman reading 50 shades of gray.Thicc daddy Jake makes me tense, not Feng
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@Eninya said:
lolWow it's almost like I don't keep up with movies because in my opinion movies typically are not enjoyable to watch.
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The Trapper is a regular M1 Killer except for the fact that his power is not only destructible, but can often straight-up hinder him instead of actually helping him.alivebydeadight said:@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
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@willcenx said:
Freddy is already broken and very boring to play against. His WH-ability and invisibility are pretty annoying. These buffs would make him even more braindead for survivors and I'm 100% sure if devs will apply them to him you will get at least 1 dc almost every game. The only way is to completely rework his abilities (devs are already working on it btw).Freddy is literally the fourth worst Killer but ok.
correction IS the worst killer
Nah Trapper and Spirit are way worse, LF is debatably worse.
Ok you are "different", trapper is mid tier and decently powerful, while spirit is made for mind games making her, well, also mid tier because you can play her like a brute or mind f*ck survivors, now, what exactly can Kruger do in a chase, nothing, he cant do ANYTHING in chase but injure survivors that are asleep and running murky reagent is his weakness, and hexes are unusable on him because survivors can destroy them without any danger near, also leather face is a chainsaw killer with the ability to hit several survivors at once and 1 hit them with the chainsaw, showing power, most leather face killers will just use insidious in the basement anyways
The Spirit’s one mindgame of pretending to phasewalk is simply countered by listening for the sound it makes. Outside of that, she’s a Hag without her traps.
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@powerbats said:
Grabs more butter and popcorn,I’m really tired and tiredness makes me petty
Probs gonna look at this in the morning and delete my forums account tbh
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@Vietfox said:
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@Vietfox said: No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said: No_Mither_No_Problem said:
If you didn't get my analogy I don't really need to say anymore tbh I actually got it, but it's a poor analogy. Nice dodge though.
10/10 would be dodged by u again. You literally said you didn't get it in the previous reply. Just like when trying to juke in DBD, you screw yourself over by doubling back.
Oh, let me introduce you my friend called "sarcasm" Let me introduce you to my friend called "Lack of tone in text". Lack of "understanding" as well.
PS: i get u might have difficulties to understand me. I was raised by watching british tv shows.
Errr, ok? What does that have to do with anything ever? I can still pick up sarcasm just fine, just not when it's in the form of text where tone does not carry over.
"What? XD
Didnt really get ur last comment." Does not sound in any way sarcastic. Like, at all. And even if it did, it would be absolutely pointless to add a comment like this as "sarcasm", thus leading me to believe you were genuine.
Okay
See THAT was easy sarcasm
Good job you managed to properly be sarcastic
(I kinda wanna die right now tbh can you please come to my house and mori me)
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@Vietfox said:
No_Mither_No_Problem said:@Vietfox said:
No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said: No_Mither_No_Problem said:
If you didn't get my analogy I don't really need to say anymore tbh I actually got it, but it's a poor analogy. Nice dodge though.
10/10 would be dodged by u again. You literally said you didn't get it in the previous reply. Just like when trying to juke in DBD, you screw yourself over by doubling back.
Oh, let me introduce you my friend called "sarcasm"
Let me introduce you to my friend called "Lack of tone in text".
Lack of "understanding" as well.
PS: i get u might have difficulties to understand me. I was raised by watching british tv shows.But whatever I was hella high on sleep deprivation when I made this thread and I still am
I'm gonna get some sleep before it outright becomes hazardous to my health.
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@Vietfox said:
No_Mither_No_Problem said:@Vietfox said:
No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said: No_Mither_No_Problem said:
If you didn't get my analogy I don't really need to say anymore tbh I actually got it, but it's a poor analogy. Nice dodge though.
10/10 would be dodged by u again. You literally said you didn't get it in the previous reply. Just like when trying to juke in DBD, you screw yourself over by doubling back.
Oh, let me introduce you my friend called "sarcasm"
Let me introduce you to my friend called "Lack of tone in text".
Lack of "understanding" as well.
PS: i get u might have difficulties to understand me. I was raised by watching british tv shows.Errr, ok? What does that have to do with anything ever? I can still pick up sarcasm just fine, just not when it's in the form of text where tone does not carry over.
"What? XD
Didnt really get ur last comment." Does not sound in any way sarcastic. Like, at all. And even if it did, it would be absolutely pointless to add a comment like this as "sarcasm", thus leading me to believe you were genuine. -
@Vietfox said:
No_Mither_No_Problem said:@Vietfox said:
No_Mither_No_Problem said:
If you didn't get my analogy I don't really need to say anymore tbh I actually got it, but it's a poor analogy. Nice dodge though.
10/10 would be dodged by u again.
You literally said you didn't get it in the previous reply.
Just like when trying to juke in DBD, you screw yourself over by doubling back.
Oh, let me introduce you my friend called "sarcasm"
Let me introduce you to my friend called "Lack of tone in text".
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@Vietfox said:
No_Mither_No_Problem said:If you didn't get my analogy I don't really need to say anymore tbh
I actually got it, but it's a poor analogy. Nice dodge though.
10/10 would be dodged by u again.You literally said you didn't get it in the previous reply.
Just like when trying to juke in DBD, you screw yourself over by doubling back.
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If you didn't get my analogy I don't really need to say anymore tbh
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Run Diversion tbh
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@Vietfox said:
No_Mither_No_Problem said:@Vietfox said:
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@Vietfox said: No_Mither_No_Problem said:
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@Vietfox said: -If your pfp is Feng Min nothing you say matters. Love it xD You're the perfect example
I know u were thinking of me <3 "Diversion terrible Perk" "Adrenaline not OP against Freddy" I have several cheeks of yours to clap but I don't want to get swarmed by other Fengs. Diversion needs a lower timer
Adrenaline is fine cause it's an endgame perk, deal with it. Have a nice day though. True but it's still an awesome Perk if you try to use a brain. NOED is fine cause it's an endgame Perk, deal with it.
Check my comments and u'll find out i already said noed is fine. Not really no lol NOED's crappy existence somehow justifies Adrenaline's unfair existence ok
Nothing is unfair, deal with both and adapt. If u think they are broken then complain to devs and wait for an answer.
There's nothing to adapt to. Situational brokenness is still brokenness.
Not really, but if that makes u feel better... Then yeah
"If it's broken but it only happens at a certain point it's not broken"
"If I'm a complete prick on Tuesdays but a swell guy for the rest of the week, I'm not a complete prick."
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@Vietfox said:
No_Mither_No_Problem said:@Vietfox said:
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@Vietfox said: No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said: No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said: -If your pfp is Feng Min nothing you say matters. Love it xD You're the perfect example
I know u were thinking of me <3 "Diversion terrible Perk" "Adrenaline not OP against Freddy" I have several cheeks of yours to clap but I don't want to get swarmed by other Fengs. Diversion needs a lower timer
Adrenaline is fine cause it's an endgame perk, deal with it. Have a nice day though. True but it's still an awesome Perk if you try to use a brain. NOED is fine cause it's an endgame Perk, deal with it.
Check my comments and u'll find out i already said noed is fine.
Not really no lol
NOED's crappy existence somehow justifies Adrenaline's unfair existence
ok
Nothing is unfair, deal with both and adapt. If u think they are broken then complain to devs and wait for an answer.
There's nothing to adapt to. Situational brokenness is still brokenness.
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@Vietfox said:
No_Mither_No_Problem said:@Vietfox said:
No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said: No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said: -If your pfp is Feng Min nothing you say matters. Love it xD You're the perfect example
I know u were thinking of me <3 "Diversion terrible Perk" "Adrenaline not OP against Freddy" I have several cheeks of yours to clap but I don't want to get swarmed by other Fengs. Diversion needs a lower timer
Adrenaline is fine cause it's an endgame perk, deal with it.
Have a nice day though.
True but it's still an awesome Perk if you try to use a brain.
NOED is fine cause it's an endgame Perk, deal with it.
Check my comments and u'll find out i already said noed is fine.
Not really no lol
NOED's crappy existence somehow justifies Adrenaline's unfair existence
ok
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@Vietfox said:
No_Mither_No_Problem said:@Vietfox said:
No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said: -If your pfp is Feng Min nothing you say matters. Love it xD You're the perfect example
I know u were thinking of me
"Diversion terrible Perk"
"Adrenaline not OP against Freddy"
I have several cheeks of yours to clap but I don't want to get swarmed by other Fengs.
Diversion needs a lower timer
Adrenaline is fine cause it's an endgame perk, deal with it.
Have a nice day though.True but it's still an awesome Perk if you try to use a brain.
NOED is fine cause it's an endgame Perk, deal with it. -
"Diversion terrible Perk"
"Adrenaline not OP against Freddy"
I have several cheeks of yours to clap but I don't want to get swarmed by other Fengs.
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@Vietfox said:
-If your pfp is Feng Min nothing you say matters.Love it xD
You're the perfect example
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Smh its like you people don't know that throwing it at vaults and pallets are a thing
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People really be out here thinking Decisive Rock is useless because it's the only aspect of Survivor that takes any skill and they're not used to trying lol
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@PoppaSquat said:
wait I have one I made a while ago
"A couple of kids"
Excuse me papa Jake is a THICC M A N
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2 characters btw
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@alivebydeadight said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@willcenx said:
Freddy is already broken and very boring to play against. His WH-ability and invisibility are pretty annoying. These buffs would make him even more braindead for survivors and I'm 100% sure if devs will apply them to him you will get at least 1 dc almost every game. The only way is to completely rework his abilities (devs are already working on it btw).Freddy is literally the fourth worst Killer but ok.
correction IS the worst killer
Nah Trapper and Spirit are way worse, LF is debatably worse.
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@MegMain98 said:
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@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!Adrenaline is not a crutch seeing how it is a one time use endgame perk. If we wanna talk crutches then you gotta bring up NOED. Even though it can be destroyed or voided, it is RARELY voided since survivors will probably not get every dull totem. Don’t start talking about crutch end game perks when NOED is sitting pretty as the #1 killer crutch perk. Even if perks are crutches who really cares? They are perks and perfectly able to be used.
I already has this chat and I’m not having it again.
You’re the one who brought up that it was a crutch perk when most Freddy players will run the #1 killer crutch perk 🤷🏼♂️> @No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
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@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!Adrenaline is not a crutch seeing how it is a one time use endgame perk. If we wanna talk crutches then you gotta bring up NOED. Even though it can be destroyed or voided, it is RARELY voided since survivors will probably not get every dull totem. Don’t start talking about crutch end game perks when NOED is sitting pretty as the #1 killer crutch perk. Even if perks are crutches who really cares? They are perks and perfectly able to be used.
I already has this chat and I’m not having it again.
You’re the one who brought up that it was a crutch perk when most Freddy players will run the #1 killer crutch perk 🤷🏼♂️
Actually, I don’t want to know. The whole “Killer crutches exist therefore Survivor crutches that are far less counterable, far more effective, and exist in far greater abundance don’t need to be looked at” argument is preposterous.
Both sides have crutch perks need I remind you. It is an asymmetrical game and the “weaker side” is going to have more crutches than the “stronger side” regardless of what you think.
I never said certain perks don’t need to be looked at but killer mains have whined and complained about every perk and they just nerfed exhaustion perks? What OTHER crutch perks are there besides Decisive Strike because Adrenaline is not a crutch perk since it can easily be counteracted with NOED.
Your first mistake was calling Survivors the “weaker side” of this asymmetrical game. Just because they’re supposed to be doesn’t mean they are, and they certainly are not. If they were the “weaker side” most Survivors would have great difficulty in getting more than two of the four Survs out of the match on average. In most matches, unless you’re going against a god Nurse, If two Survs or less get out it’s because the Survs made an ass-ton of mistakes, not because the Killer was bombastically good.
Also the Exhaustion nerf only really clapped Dead Hard. Good Survs won’t need the others more than once per chase.
And outside of Perks, Survivors have a bunch of other crutches. 4-Man SWF and all the nonsense it comes with, instaheals, gen jockey toolboxes...
Regardless if they are actually the weaker side or not, survivors are INTENDED to be the weaker side...they are the victims in all this. In non-SWF they are but in SWF it is balanced.
What you fail to realize is that not every survivor is in a SWF group nor are all SWF group toxic and think about BM’ing the killer. Some play to have fun and enjoy the game. Me and my friends RARELY talk about bringing in items. Sometimes a luck offering or a shroud of binding but we don’t think about just being toxic with purple flashlights and insta heals. We just go with the flow of the game.
It could be argued that killers also have crutch add-ons they can use, not only survivors by the way. You gotta look at it from both perspectives. Sure survivors have crutch perks and add-ons but so do killers, it goes both ways and the reason survivors have more is that they are intended to be the weaker side. 1 survivor is not going to beat the killer. All four working together however will. 4 survivors pretty much equals the strength of 1 killer in a normal match up
None of this changes the fact that Survivors are much more powerful than Killers are, and an M1 Killer who literally needs to M2 just to M1 is in dire need of buffs.
Agreed that Freddy needs some changes. I just DON’T agree about pulling survivors off generators when they aren’t in the dream world and Adrenaline not waking up asleep survivors. Other than that all the other changes you suggested I’m not arguing against.
Why shouldn't he be able to pull off gens? So morons who horseplay when he's right there can suffer no consequences?
Why should Adrenaline wake you up? So it can crutch you even harder than it already does against an M1 Killer who needs to M2 to M1?
I don't understand how these two changes in particular aren't reasonable.
Freddy is ONLY supposed to interact wih survivors in the dream world. That is the point of the dream world. Why can’t the Wraith pull survivors off the generators when he is cloaked? There are reasons for it.
Again...Adrenaline isn’t a crutch. It has a ONE time use. You claim it is a crutch and act as if NOED isn’t a crutch perk, okay then...whatever YOU say.
Not something that is needed for Freddy’s quality of life changes
See except the Wraith doesn’t have to wait 7 entire seconds to hit Survs. He can also move faster when uncloaked and has no TR. THAT would be OP. You can stil,tell when Freddy is coming, ergo it wouldn’t be OP because he wouldn’t be getting any semblance of a jump on you.
Decisive Strike is also a one-time use; does that make it not a crutch? And at least with NOED you still have to actually catch the Survivors.
The difference is the DS is a get out of jail free card while with Adrenaline you can still be tunneled and downed by the killer. Not a crutch. NOED on the other hand helps a killers mistake by letting the generators get done and giving all survivors the exposed status effect something that can be broken but if on the right map will never be found.
It can be argued the Adrenaline counters a survivors mistake of getting downed or injured but the killer can still catch up especially with NOED.
Give Freddy a 0 TR and he would be a lot better.
I don’t care when and how it activates, 5 seconds of Sprint Burst and an instaheal will always be a HUGE crutch. The Killer technically can catch up to that, but will he if the Survivors had half a brain and efficient enough with their loops to save some for the endgame? Nope.
The way the gay is designed, if you get smacked by the Killer it is most certainly because YOU made a mistake and you deserve to be punished for it. NOED merely makes you punished more harshly. It’s hella crutch, but not nearly as big a crutch as instaheal+5 seconds of 150% movement speed.
Half the time Adrenaline isn’t exactly helpful UNLESS you are in a chase. If you play stealthy then what is the use for it? Even at that if the killer is on your tail and Adrenaline activates and the killer goes for a swing at the right time you’ll go down to NOED. The survivor STILL has to get to and open an exit gate which at that point the killer will camp to ensure a kill. Adrenaline has been a perk since the beginning of the games release, there is no need to change it’s purpose when it isn’t OP in the slightest.
Implying any of these "counters" actually take place or have any semblance of an effect
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@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!Adrenaline is not a crutch seeing how it is a one time use endgame perk. If we wanna talk crutches then you gotta bring up NOED. Even though it can be destroyed or voided, it is RARELY voided since survivors will probably not get every dull totem. Don’t start talking about crutch end game perks when NOED is sitting pretty as the #1 killer crutch perk. Even if perks are crutches who really cares? They are perks and perfectly able to be used.
I already has this chat and I’m not having it again.
You’re the one who brought up that it was a crutch perk when most Freddy players will run the #1 killer crutch perk 🤷🏼♂️> @No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!Adrenaline is not a crutch seeing how it is a one time use endgame perk. If we wanna talk crutches then you gotta bring up NOED. Even though it can be destroyed or voided, it is RARELY voided since survivors will probably not get every dull totem. Don’t start talking about crutch end game perks when NOED is sitting pretty as the #1 killer crutch perk. Even if perks are crutches who really cares? They are perks and perfectly able to be used.
I already has this chat and I’m not having it again.
You’re the one who brought up that it was a crutch perk when most Freddy players will run the #1 killer crutch perk 🤷🏼♂️
Actually, I don’t want to know. The whole “Killer crutches exist therefore Survivor crutches that are far less counterable, far more effective, and exist in far greater abundance don’t need to be looked at” argument is preposterous.
Both sides have crutch perks need I remind you. It is an asymmetrical game and the “weaker side” is going to have more crutches than the “stronger side” regardless of what you think.
I never said certain perks don’t need to be looked at but killer mains have whined and complained about every perk and they just nerfed exhaustion perks? What OTHER crutch perks are there besides Decisive Strike because Adrenaline is not a crutch perk since it can easily be counteracted with NOED.
Your first mistake was calling Survivors the “weaker side” of this asymmetrical game. Just because they’re supposed to be doesn’t mean they are, and they certainly are not. If they were the “weaker side” most Survivors would have great difficulty in getting more than two of the four Survs out of the match on average. In most matches, unless you’re going against a god Nurse, If two Survs or less get out it’s because the Survs made an ass-ton of mistakes, not because the Killer was bombastically good.
Also the Exhaustion nerf only really clapped Dead Hard. Good Survs won’t need the others more than once per chase.
And outside of Perks, Survivors have a bunch of other crutches. 4-Man SWF and all the nonsense it comes with, instaheals, gen jockey toolboxes...
Regardless if they are actually the weaker side or not, survivors are INTENDED to be the weaker side...they are the victims in all this. In non-SWF they are but in SWF it is balanced.
What you fail to realize is that not every survivor is in a SWF group nor are all SWF group toxic and think about BM’ing the killer. Some play to have fun and enjoy the game. Me and my friends RARELY talk about bringing in items. Sometimes a luck offering or a shroud of binding but we don’t think about just being toxic with purple flashlights and insta heals. We just go with the flow of the game.
It could be argued that killers also have crutch add-ons they can use, not only survivors by the way. You gotta look at it from both perspectives. Sure survivors have crutch perks and add-ons but so do killers, it goes both ways and the reason survivors have more is that they are intended to be the weaker side. 1 survivor is not going to beat the killer. All four working together however will. 4 survivors pretty much equals the strength of 1 killer in a normal match up
None of this changes the fact that Survivors are much more powerful than Killers are, and an M1 Killer who literally needs to M2 just to M1 is in dire need of buffs.
Agreed that Freddy needs some changes. I just DON’T agree about pulling survivors off generators when they aren’t in the dream world and Adrenaline not waking up asleep survivors. Other than that all the other changes you suggested I’m not arguing against.
Why shouldn't he be able to pull off gens? So morons who horseplay when he's right there can suffer no consequences?
Why should Adrenaline wake you up? So it can crutch you even harder than it already does against an M1 Killer who needs to M2 to M1?
I don't understand how these two changes in particular aren't reasonable.
Freddy is ONLY supposed to interact wih survivors in the dream world. That is the point of the dream world. Why can’t the Wraith pull survivors off the generators when he is cloaked? There are reasons for it.
Again...Adrenaline isn’t a crutch. It has a ONE time use. You claim it is a crutch and act as if NOED isn’t a crutch perk, okay then...whatever YOU say.
Not something that is needed for Freddy’s quality of life changes
See except the Wraith doesn’t have to wait 7 entire seconds to hit Survs. He can also move faster when uncloaked and has no TR. THAT would be OP. You can stil,tell when Freddy is coming, ergo it wouldn’t be OP because he wouldn’t be getting any semblance of a jump on you.
Decisive Strike is also a one-time use; does that make it not a crutch? And at least with NOED you still have to actually catch the Survivors.
The difference is the DS is a get out of jail free card while with Adrenaline you can still be tunneled and downed by the killer. Not a crutch. NOED on the other hand helps a killers mistake by letting the generators get done and giving all survivors the exposed status effect something that can be broken but if on the right map will never be found.
It can be argued the Adrenaline counters a survivors mistake of getting downed or injured but the killer can still catch up especially with NOED.
Give Freddy a 0 TR and he would be a lot better.
I don’t care when and how it activates, 5 seconds of Sprint Burst and an instaheal will always be a HUGE crutch. The Killer technically can catch up to that, but will he if the Survivors had half a brain and efficient enough with their loops to save some for the endgame? Nope.
The way the gay is designed, if you get smacked by the Killer it is most certainly because YOU made a mistake and you deserve to be punished for it. NOED merely makes you punished more harshly. It’s hella crutch, but not nearly as big a crutch as instaheal+5 seconds of 150% movement speed.
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@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!Adrenaline is not a crutch seeing how it is a one time use endgame perk. If we wanna talk crutches then you gotta bring up NOED. Even though it can be destroyed or voided, it is RARELY voided since survivors will probably not get every dull totem. Don’t start talking about crutch end game perks when NOED is sitting pretty as the #1 killer crutch perk. Even if perks are crutches who really cares? They are perks and perfectly able to be used.
I already has this chat and I’m not having it again.
You’re the one who brought up that it was a crutch perk when most Freddy players will run the #1 killer crutch perk 🤷🏼♂️> @No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!Adrenaline is not a crutch seeing how it is a one time use endgame perk. If we wanna talk crutches then you gotta bring up NOED. Even though it can be destroyed or voided, it is RARELY voided since survivors will probably not get every dull totem. Don’t start talking about crutch end game perks when NOED is sitting pretty as the #1 killer crutch perk. Even if perks are crutches who really cares? They are perks and perfectly able to be used.
I already has this chat and I’m not having it again.
You’re the one who brought up that it was a crutch perk when most Freddy players will run the #1 killer crutch perk 🤷🏼♂️
Actually, I don’t want to know. The whole “Killer crutches exist therefore Survivor crutches that are far less counterable, far more effective, and exist in far greater abundance don’t need to be looked at” argument is preposterous.
Both sides have crutch perks need I remind you. It is an asymmetrical game and the “weaker side” is going to have more crutches than the “stronger side” regardless of what you think.
I never said certain perks don’t need to be looked at but killer mains have whined and complained about every perk and they just nerfed exhaustion perks? What OTHER crutch perks are there besides Decisive Strike because Adrenaline is not a crutch perk since it can easily be counteracted with NOED.
Your first mistake was calling Survivors the “weaker side” of this asymmetrical game. Just because they’re supposed to be doesn’t mean they are, and they certainly are not. If they were the “weaker side” most Survivors would have great difficulty in getting more than two of the four Survs out of the match on average. In most matches, unless you’re going against a god Nurse, If two Survs or less get out it’s because the Survs made an ass-ton of mistakes, not because the Killer was bombastically good.
Also the Exhaustion nerf only really clapped Dead Hard. Good Survs won’t need the others more than once per chase.
And outside of Perks, Survivors have a bunch of other crutches. 4-Man SWF and all the nonsense it comes with, instaheals, gen jockey toolboxes...
Regardless if they are actually the weaker side or not, survivors are INTENDED to be the weaker side...they are the victims in all this. In non-SWF they are but in SWF it is balanced.
What you fail to realize is that not every survivor is in a SWF group nor are all SWF group toxic and think about BM’ing the killer. Some play to have fun and enjoy the game. Me and my friends RARELY talk about bringing in items. Sometimes a luck offering or a shroud of binding but we don’t think about just being toxic with purple flashlights and insta heals. We just go with the flow of the game.
It could be argued that killers also have crutch add-ons they can use, not only survivors by the way. You gotta look at it from both perspectives. Sure survivors have crutch perks and add-ons but so do killers, it goes both ways and the reason survivors have more is that they are intended to be the weaker side. 1 survivor is not going to beat the killer. All four working together however will. 4 survivors pretty much equals the strength of 1 killer in a normal match up
None of this changes the fact that Survivors are much more powerful than Killers are, and an M1 Killer who literally needs to M2 just to M1 is in dire need of buffs.
Agreed that Freddy needs some changes. I just DON’T agree about pulling survivors off generators when they aren’t in the dream world and Adrenaline not waking up asleep survivors. Other than that all the other changes you suggested I’m not arguing against.
Why shouldn't he be able to pull off gens? So morons who horseplay when he's right there can suffer no consequences?
Why should Adrenaline wake you up? So it can crutch you even harder than it already does against an M1 Killer who needs to M2 to M1?
I don't understand how these two changes in particular aren't reasonable.
Freddy is ONLY supposed to interact wih survivors in the dream world. That is the point of the dream world. Why can’t the Wraith pull survivors off the generators when he is cloaked? There are reasons for it.
Again...Adrenaline isn’t a crutch. It has a ONE time use. You claim it is a crutch and act as if NOED isn’t a crutch perk, okay then...whatever YOU say.
Not something that is needed for Freddy’s quality of life changes
See except the Wraith doesn’t have to wait 7 entire seconds to hit Survs. He can also move faster when uncloaked and has no TR. THAT would be OP. You can stil,tell when Freddy is coming, ergo it wouldn’t be OP because he wouldn’t be getting any semblance of a jump on you.
Decisive Strike is also a one-time use; does that make it not a crutch? And at least with NOED you still have to actually catch the Survivors.
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@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!Adrenaline is not a crutch seeing how it is a one time use endgame perk. If we wanna talk crutches then you gotta bring up NOED. Even though it can be destroyed or voided, it is RARELY voided since survivors will probably not get every dull totem. Don’t start talking about crutch end game perks when NOED is sitting pretty as the #1 killer crutch perk. Even if perks are crutches who really cares? They are perks and perfectly able to be used.
I already has this chat and I’m not having it again.
You’re the one who brought up that it was a crutch perk when most Freddy players will run the #1 killer crutch perk 🤷🏼♂️> @No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!Adrenaline is not a crutch seeing how it is a one time use endgame perk. If we wanna talk crutches then you gotta bring up NOED. Even though it can be destroyed or voided, it is RARELY voided since survivors will probably not get every dull totem. Don’t start talking about crutch end game perks when NOED is sitting pretty as the #1 killer crutch perk. Even if perks are crutches who really cares? They are perks and perfectly able to be used.
I already has this chat and I’m not having it again.
You’re the one who brought up that it was a crutch perk when most Freddy players will run the #1 killer crutch perk 🤷🏼♂️
Actually, I don’t want to know. The whole “Killer crutches exist therefore Survivor crutches that are far less counterable, far more effective, and exist in far greater abundance don’t need to be looked at” argument is preposterous.
Both sides have crutch perks need I remind you. It is an asymmetrical game and the “weaker side” is going to have more crutches than the “stronger side” regardless of what you think.
I never said certain perks don’t need to be looked at but killer mains have whined and complained about every perk and they just nerfed exhaustion perks? What OTHER crutch perks are there besides Decisive Strike because Adrenaline is not a crutch perk since it can easily be counteracted with NOED.
Your first mistake was calling Survivors the “weaker side” of this asymmetrical game. Just because they’re supposed to be doesn’t mean they are, and they certainly are not. If they were the “weaker side” most Survivors would have great difficulty in getting more than two of the four Survs out of the match on average. In most matches, unless you’re going against a god Nurse, If two Survs or less get out it’s because the Survs made an ass-ton of mistakes, not because the Killer was bombastically good.
Also the Exhaustion nerf only really clapped Dead Hard. Good Survs won’t need the others more than once per chase.
And outside of Perks, Survivors have a bunch of other crutches. 4-Man SWF and all the nonsense it comes with, instaheals, gen jockey toolboxes...
Regardless if they are actually the weaker side or not, survivors are INTENDED to be the weaker side...they are the victims in all this. In non-SWF they are but in SWF it is balanced.
What you fail to realize is that not every survivor is in a SWF group nor are all SWF group toxic and think about BM’ing the killer. Some play to have fun and enjoy the game. Me and my friends RARELY talk about bringing in items. Sometimes a luck offering or a shroud of binding but we don’t think about just being toxic with purple flashlights and insta heals. We just go with the flow of the game.
It could be argued that killers also have crutch add-ons they can use, not only survivors by the way. You gotta look at it from both perspectives. Sure survivors have crutch perks and add-ons but so do killers, it goes both ways and the reason survivors have more is that they are intended to be the weaker side. 1 survivor is not going to beat the killer. All four working together however will. 4 survivors pretty much equals the strength of 1 killer in a normal match up
None of this changes the fact that Survivors are much more powerful than Killers are, and an M1 Killer who literally needs to M2 just to M1 is in dire need of buffs.
Agreed that Freddy needs some changes. I just DON’T agree about pulling survivors off generators when they aren’t in the dream world and Adrenaline not waking up asleep survivors. Other than that all the other changes you suggested I’m not arguing against.
Why shouldn't he be able to pull off gens? So morons who horseplay when he's right there can suffer no consequences?
Why should Adrenaline wake you up? So it can crutch you even harder than it already does against an M1 Killer who needs to M2 to M1?
I don't understand how these two changes in particular aren't reasonable.
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These goddamn stone age memes
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@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!Adrenaline is not a crutch seeing how it is a one time use endgame perk. If we wanna talk crutches then you gotta bring up NOED. Even though it can be destroyed or voided, it is RARELY voided since survivors will probably not get every dull totem. Don’t start talking about crutch end game perks when NOED is sitting pretty as the #1 killer crutch perk. Even if perks are crutches who really cares? They are perks and perfectly able to be used.
I already has this chat and I’m not having it again.
You’re the one who brought up that it was a crutch perk when most Freddy players will run the #1 killer crutch perk 🤷🏼♂️> @No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!Adrenaline is not a crutch seeing how it is a one time use endgame perk. If we wanna talk crutches then you gotta bring up NOED. Even though it can be destroyed or voided, it is RARELY voided since survivors will probably not get every dull totem. Don’t start talking about crutch end game perks when NOED is sitting pretty as the #1 killer crutch perk. Even if perks are crutches who really cares? They are perks and perfectly able to be used.
I already has this chat and I’m not having it again.
You’re the one who brought up that it was a crutch perk when most Freddy players will run the #1 killer crutch perk 🤷🏼♂️
Actually, I don’t want to know. The whole “Killer crutches exist therefore Survivor crutches that are far less counterable, far more effective, and exist in far greater abundance don’t need to be looked at” argument is preposterous.
Both sides have crutch perks need I remind you. It is an asymmetrical game and the “weaker side” is going to have more crutches than the “stronger side” regardless of what you think.
I never said certain perks don’t need to be looked at but killer mains have whined and complained about every perk and they just nerfed exhaustion perks? What OTHER crutch perks are there besides Decisive Strike because Adrenaline is not a crutch perk since it can easily be counteracted with NOED.
Your first mistake was calling Survivors the “weaker side” of this asymmetrical game. Just because they’re supposed to be doesn’t mean they are, and they certainly are not. If they were the “weaker side” most Survivors would have great difficulty in getting more than two of the four Survs out of the match on average. In most matches, unless you’re going against a god Nurse, If two Survs or less get out it’s because the Survs made an ass-ton of mistakes, not because the Killer was bombastically good.
Also the Exhaustion nerf only really clapped Dead Hard. Good Survs won’t need the others more than once per chase.
And outside of Perks, Survivors have a bunch of other crutches. 4-Man SWF and all the nonsense it comes with, instaheals, gen jockey toolboxes...
Regardless if they are actually the weaker side or not, survivors are INTENDED to be the weaker side...they are the victims in all this. In non-SWF they are but in SWF it is balanced.
What you fail to realize is that not every survivor is in a SWF group nor are all SWF group toxic and think about BM’ing the killer. Some play to have fun and enjoy the game. Me and my friends RARELY talk about bringing in items. Sometimes a luck offering or a shroud of binding but we don’t think about just being toxic with purple flashlights and insta heals. We just go with the flow of the game.
It could be argued that killers also have crutch add-ons they can use, not only survivors by the way. You gotta look at it from both perspectives. Sure survivors have crutch perks and add-ons but so do killers, it goes both ways and the reason survivors have more is that they are intended to be the weaker side. 1 survivor is not going to beat the killer. All four working together however will. 4 survivors pretty much equals the strength of 1 killer in a normal match up
None of this changes the fact that Survivors are much more powerful than Killers are, and an M1 Killer who literally needs to M2 just to M1 is in dire need of buffs.
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@Vietfox said:
XD
That’s my brainlet meme
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Here, have another cropped NSFW DBD meme
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@xxaggieboyxx said:
No_Mither_No_Problem said:Decisive Strike
Useless
Coming up next, why Trapper is the best Killer hands down
Nah fam Freddy op he needs another nerf
True
Can we make dream transition last forever
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@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!Adrenaline is not a crutch seeing how it is a one time use endgame perk. If we wanna talk crutches then you gotta bring up NOED. Even though it can be destroyed or voided, it is RARELY voided since survivors will probably not get every dull totem. Don’t start talking about crutch end game perks when NOED is sitting pretty as the #1 killer crutch perk. Even if perks are crutches who really cares? They are perks and perfectly able to be used.
I already has this chat and I’m not having it again.
You’re the one who brought up that it was a crutch perk when most Freddy players will run the #1 killer crutch perk 🤷🏼♂️> @No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!Adrenaline is not a crutch seeing how it is a one time use endgame perk. If we wanna talk crutches then you gotta bring up NOED. Even though it can be destroyed or voided, it is RARELY voided since survivors will probably not get every dull totem. Don’t start talking about crutch end game perks when NOED is sitting pretty as the #1 killer crutch perk. Even if perks are crutches who really cares? They are perks and perfectly able to be used.
I already has this chat and I’m not having it again.
You’re the one who brought up that it was a crutch perk when most Freddy players will run the #1 killer crutch perk 🤷🏼♂️
Actually, I don’t want to know. The whole “Killer crutches exist therefore Survivor crutches that are far less counterable, far more effective, and exist in far greater abundance don’t need to be looked at” argument is preposterous.
Both sides have crutch perks need I remind you. It is an asymmetrical game and the “weaker side” is going to have more crutches than the “stronger side” regardless of what you think.
I never said certain perks don’t need to be looked at but killer mains have whined and complained about every perk and they just nerfed exhaustion perks? What OTHER crutch perks are there besides Decisive Strike because Adrenaline is not a crutch perk since it can easily be counteracted with NOED.
Your first mistake was calling Survivors the “weaker side” of this asymmetrical game. Just because they’re supposed to be doesn’t mean they are, and they certainly are not. If they were the “weaker side” most Survivors would have great difficulty in getting more than two of the four Survs out of the match on average. In most matches, unless you’re going against a god Nurse, If two Survs or less get out it’s because the Survs made an ass-ton of mistakes, not because the Killer was bombastically good.
Also the Exhaustion nerf only really clapped Dead Hard. Good Survs won’t need the others more than once per chase.
And outside of Perks, Survivors have a bunch of other crutches. 4-Man SWF and all the nonsense it comes with, instaheals, gen jockey toolboxes...
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@RuneStarr said:
No_Mither_No_Problem said:@RuneStarr said:
Not even sorry for ruining candle wraith for anyone.
#Bless that t h I c c booty
Here, have a cropped NSFW DBD meme.
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@RuneStarr said:
Not even sorry for ruining candle wraith for anyone.
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@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!Adrenaline is not a crutch seeing how it is a one time use endgame perk. If we wanna talk crutches then you gotta bring up NOED. Even though it can be destroyed or voided, it is RARELY voided since survivors will probably not get every dull totem. Don’t start talking about crutch end game perks when NOED is sitting pretty as the #1 killer crutch perk. Even if perks are crutches who really cares? They are perks and perfectly able to be used.
I already has this chat and I’m not having it again.
You’re the one who brought up that it was a crutch perk when most Freddy players will run the #1 killer crutch perk 🤷🏼♂️
Actually, I don’t want to know. The whole “Killer crutches exist therefore Survivor crutches that are far less counterable, far more effective, and exist in far greater abundance don’t need to be looked at” argument is preposterous.
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@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!Adrenaline is not a crutch seeing how it is a one time use endgame perk. If we wanna talk crutches then you gotta bring up NOED. Even though it can be destroyed or voided, it is RARELY voided since survivors will probably not get every dull totem. Don’t start talking about crutch end game perks when NOED is sitting pretty as the #1 killer crutch perk. Even if perks are crutches who really cares? They are perks and perfectly able to be used.
I already has this chat and I’m not having it again.
You’re the one who brought up that it was a crutch perk when most Freddy players will run the #1 killer crutch perk 🤷🏼♂️
What the hell kind of Freddy players you going against?
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@MegMain98 said:
@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!@No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!Adrenaline is not a crutch seeing how it is a one time use endgame perk. If we wanna talk crutches then you gotta bring up NOED. Even though it can be destroyed or voided, it is RARELY voided since survivors will probably not get every dull totem. Don’t start talking about crutch end game perks when NOED is sitting pretty as the #1 killer crutch perk. Even if perks are crutches who really cares? They are perks and perfectly able to be used.
I already has this chat and I’m not having it again.
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Y’all want some more?
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Bruh you think Claudette’s finna be a problem on that map? The new Etika-looking Surv can wear that grey trench coat and crouch in a rocky area with his back to the Killer and literally look exactly like a rock. He’ll be literally hiding in plain sight. You’ll see him dead on and think nothing of it.
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Decisive Strike
UselessComing up next, why Trapper is the best Killer hands down
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People kept telling me Leatherface was worse, so I just put Fredward in front of him. Personally, I’d say Spirit and Trapper are both behind Freddy.
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@Vietfox said:
No_Mither_No_Problem said:@Vietfox said:
No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said: No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said: No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said: 1 - ok 2 - ok 3 - ok 4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.
1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk. 3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for. 4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world? 1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant. 2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters. 3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever! Lol nice rant to my nice reply.
4 - survivors change their playstyle depending on the killer. It's not a stupid decision to keep repairing the gen if u know you can't get hit when awake. 1 - i'm pretty sure that means freddy can't move stuff with his mind, like in the movies. 2 - dont get me started with crutches. If you are gonna call certain survivor perks "crutches" i could do the same with some killer perks/addons. As devs said already: " survivors using certain perks is fine". 3 - i think i don't even need to reply to that. Especially to someone who needs to tell me to get out from rank 21 to feel that he/she's right. I’m having trouble formulating a response as to why any of these arguments make any sense. 4-It should be a stupid play, regardless of the Killer. Dicking around when the Killer is right there NEEDS to be punishable. 1-What the hell is even your point here? 2-Freddy Perks that are actually crutches: NOED, Remember Me, Blood Warden Freddy Perks that are crutches that he needs in order to even do somewhat decently: Ruin, Enduring, Brutal Strength, Bamboozle Survivor traits that are absolutely crutches and give them a ridiculously unfair advantage over Freddy and any other Killer but are somehow justified by their mere existence: Decisive Strike, Adrenaline, instaheals, SWF, any Exhaustion Perk that isn’t Dead Hard, any decent level Toolbox with decent level addons, infinites/loops that cannot be mindgamed, infinites/loops that CAN be mindgamed but are still utter bullshit, the simple way that like a quarter to a third of the maps in the game are designed Survivors are balanced btw pls nerf Freddy 3-Nice job not formulating a counterpoint. Please, do follow my advice and get out of rank 21. 4 - just because you think it needs to be punished doesnt mean it has to.
1 - you talked about freddys powers being altered. Keep than in mind, watch the movies and u'll understand. 2 - i was talking about killer perks, not onky freddys ones. (also addons, like more blinks for nurse) 3 - looks like you got stuck in your pointless "21 rank" reason. Anyway, i'll be kind and i'll explain it to you: if there are addons to reduce skill checks chance it's because it shouldnt be part of freddys passives. 4-I don’t think so. I know so. Anyone who isn’t mentally clapped knows so. 1-I already told you, the movie canon is irrelevant. The Enitity literally took his canon powers and altered them to suit its needs. 2-Hey guess what? This is about Freddy, not other Killers. 3-“If there are addons to make a trash-tier Killer slightly less trash-tier than it shouldn’t be part of his passives.” Of all this nonsense stuff i'm just gonna point the number 2:
I talked about killer perks since you talked about survivor perks, which can be run by any survivor.
Actually, gonna point the other ones as well.
4 - using insults to prove your point... Nice, you got yourself exposed.
1 - you were the one who said freddys powers were altered and i explained you which ones were changed/removed.
3 - other killers can make it to rank 1 as freddy, i wonder why you can't :P (if u did, then why you complain?)
Yes, because Perks like Decisive and Sprint Burst exist therefore they mean they’re fair and balanced.
4-I’m just insulting your basic lack of sense.
1-Lore-wise, the Entity can alter them as he so pleases, meaning the devs can alter him as they please.
3-As someone who has hit rank 4 with weak Perks on Freddy—Yes, you’d know all about rank 1 as Killer, wouldn’t you?
Aha, ok. Interesting.
Anyway, gonna do something more useful, like staring at a wall.
Just take a look on the conversation and realize how easily you got triggered, even after agreeing with you on the first 3 points.
U wanna get constructive threads? Reply accordingly, not ranting.
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@Vietfox said:
No_Mither_No_Problem said:@Vietfox said:
No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said: No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said: 1 - ok 2 - ok 3 - ok 4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.
1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk. 3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for. 4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world? 1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant. 2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters. 3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever! Lol nice rant to my nice reply.
4 - survivors change their playstyle depending on the killer. It's not a stupid decision to keep repairing the gen if u know you can't get hit when awake. 1 - i'm pretty sure that means freddy can't move stuff with his mind, like in the movies. 2 - dont get me started with crutches. If you are gonna call certain survivor perks "crutches" i could do the same with some killer perks/addons. As devs said already: " survivors using certain perks is fine". 3 - i think i don't even need to reply to that. Especially to someone who needs to tell me to get out from rank 21 to feel that he/she's right. I’m having trouble formulating a response as to why any of these arguments make any sense. 4-It should be a stupid play, regardless of the Killer. Dicking around when the Killer is right there NEEDS to be punishable. 1-What the hell is even your point here? 2-Freddy Perks that are actually crutches: NOED, Remember Me, Blood Warden Freddy Perks that are crutches that he needs in order to even do somewhat decently: Ruin, Enduring, Brutal Strength, Bamboozle Survivor traits that are absolutely crutches and give them a ridiculously unfair advantage over Freddy and any other Killer but are somehow justified by their mere existence: Decisive Strike, Adrenaline, instaheals, SWF, any Exhaustion Perk that isn’t Dead Hard, any decent level Toolbox with decent level addons, infinites/loops that cannot be mindgamed, infinites/loops that CAN be mindgamed but are still utter bullshit, the simple way that like a quarter to a third of the maps in the game are designed Survivors are balanced btw pls nerf Freddy 3-Nice job not formulating a counterpoint. Please, do follow my advice and get out of rank 21. 4 - just because you think it needs to be punished doesnt mean it has to.
1 - you talked about freddys powers being altered. Keep than in mind, watch the movies and u'll understand.
2 - i was talking about killer perks, not onky freddys ones. (also addons, like more blinks for nurse)
3 - looks like you got stuck in your pointless "21 rank" reason. Anyway, i'll be kind and i'll explain it to you: if there are addons to reduce skill checks chance it's because it shouldnt be part of freddys passives.
4-I don’t think so. I know so. Anyone who isn’t mentally clapped knows so.
1-I already told you, the movie canon is irrelevant. The Enitity literally took his canon powers and altered them to suit its needs.
2-Hey guess what? This is about Freddy, not other Killers.
3-“If there are addons to make a trash-tier Killer slightly less trash-tier than it shouldn’t be part of his passives.”
Of all this nonsense stuff i'm just gonna point the number 2:
I talked about killer perks since you talked about survivor perks, which can be run by any survivor.
Actually, gonna point the other ones as well.
4 - using insults to prove your point... Nice, you got yourself exposed.
1 - you were the one who said freddys powers were altered and i explained you which ones were changed/removed.
3 - other killers can make it to rank 1 as freddy, i wonder why you can't :P (if u did, then why you complain?)Yes, because Perks like Decisive and Sprint Burst exist therefore they mean they’re fair and balanced.
4-I’m just insulting your basic lack of sense.
1-Lore-wise, the Entity can alter them as he so pleases, meaning the devs can alter him as they please.
3-As someone who has hit rank 4 with weak Perks on Freddy—Yes, you’d know all about rank 1 as Killer, wouldn’t you? -
@Vietfox said:
No_Mither_No_Problem said:@Vietfox said:
No_Mither_No_Problem said:
@Vietfox said: 1 - ok 2 - ok 3 - ok 4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.
1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk. 3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for. 4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world? 1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant. 2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters. 3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever! Lol nice rant to my nice reply.
4 - survivors change their playstyle depending on the killer. It's not a stupid decision to keep repairing the gen if u know you can't get hit when awake.
1 - i'm pretty sure that means freddy can't move stuff with his mind, like in the movies.
2 - dont get me started with crutches. If you are gonna call certain survivor perks "crutches" i could do the same with some killer perks/addons.
As devs said already: " survivors using certain perks is fine".
3 - i think i don't even need to reply to that. Especially to someone who needs to tell me to get out from rank 21 to feel that he/she's right.
I’m having trouble formulating a response as to why any of these arguments make any sense.
4-It should be a stupid play, regardless of the Killer. Dicking around when the Killer is right there NEEDS to be punishable.
1-What the hell is even your point here?
2-Freddy Perks that are actually crutches: NOED, Remember Me, Blood Warden
Freddy Perks that are crutches that he needs in order to even do somewhat decently: Ruin, Enduring, Brutal Strength, Bamboozle
Survivor traits that are absolutely crutches and give them a ridiculously unfair advantage over Freddy and any other Killer but are somehow justified by their mere existence: Decisive Strike, Adrenaline, instaheals, SWF, any Exhaustion Perk that isn’t Dead Hard, any decent level Toolbox with decent level addons, infinites/loops that cannot be mindgamed, infinites/loops that CAN be mindgamed but are still utter bullshit, the simple way that like a quarter to a third of the maps in the game are designed
Survivors are balanced btw pls nerf Freddy
3-Nice job not formulating a counterpoint. Please, do follow my advice and get out of rank 21.
4 - just because you think it needs to be punished doesnt mean it has to.
1 - you talked about freddys powers being altered. Keep than in mind, watch the movies and u'll understand.
2 - i was talking about killer perks, not onky freddys ones. (also addons, like more blinks for nurse)
3 - looks like you got stuck in your pointless "21 rank" reason. Anyway, i'll be kind and i'll explain it to you: if there are addons to reduce skill checks chance it's because it shouldnt be part of freddys passives.4-I don’t think so. I know so. Anyone who isn’t mentally clapped knows so.
1-I already told you, the movie canon is irrelevant. The Enitity literally took his canon powers and altered them to suit its needs.
2-Hey guess what? This is about Freddy, not other Killers.
3-“If there are addons to make a trash-tier Killer slightly less trash-tier than it shouldn’t be part of his passives.” -
Boom
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@Vietfox said:
No_Mither_No_Problem said:@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.
1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.
4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever!
Lol nice rant to my nice reply.
4 - survivors change their playstyle depending on the killer. It's not a stupid decision to keep repairing the gen if u know you can't get hit when awake.
1 - i'm pretty sure that means freddy can't move stuff with his mind, like in the movies.
2 - dont get me started with crutches. If you are gonna call certain survivor perks "crutches" i could do the same with some killer perks/addons.
As devs said already: " survivors using certain perks is fine".
3 - i think i don't even need to reply to that. Especially to someone who needs to tell me to get out from rank 21 to feel that he/she's right.I’m having trouble formulating a response as to why any of these arguments make any sense.
4-It should be a stupid play, regardless of the Killer. Dicking around when the Killer is right there NEEDS to be punishable.
1-What the hell is even your point here?
2-Freddy Perks that are actually crutches: NOED, Remember Me, Blood Warden
Freddy Perks that are crutches that he needs in order to even do somewhat decently: Ruin, Enduring, Brutal Strength, Bamboozle
Survivor traits that are absolutely crutches and give them a ridiculously unfair advantage over Freddy and any other Killer but are somehow justified by their mere existence: Decisive Strike, Adrenaline, instaheals, SWF, any Exhaustion Perk that isn’t Dead Hard, any decent level Toolbox with decent level addons, infinites/loops that cannot be mindgamed, infinites/loops that CAN be mindgamed but are still utter bullshit, the simple way that like a quarter to a third of the maps in the game are designedSurvivors are balanced btw pls nerf Freddy
3-Nice job not formulating a counterpoint. Please, do follow my advice and get out of rank 21.
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@Vietfox said:
1 - ok
2 - ok
3 - ok
4 - hell no, freddy isnt suposed to interact with survivors while in the dream world, a part from M2.1 - no. In Freddy's movies people could wake up by hurting themselves.
2 - no, it's an endgame perk.
3 - no. Run the addons, that's what they are for.4-So he’s just not allowed to punish Survivors for making stupid plays because hurr hurr no dream world?
1-This point isn’t worth giving a ######### about but I’ll debunk it anyway: In Freddy’s DBD backstory it directly states the Entity altered Freddy’s powers. Ergo the extent of his abilities in Nightmare on Elm Street canon is irrelevant.
2-It’s a ridiculously overpowered and crutch endgame Perk that is even more overpowered and crutch on Freddy. Add to that his endgame is one of the worst Killer endgames out there, and Adrenaline is one of the more extreme Freddy counters.
3-Please get out of rank 21. “Uhhhhh the addons are there for that!” They NEED to reduce skill check chances. I shouldn’t have to waste addon slots just to reduce the odds of a Survivor rendering themselves invulnerable to me until I find them again. The Pig has addons that she would greatly benefit from if they were baseline, but “that’s what they’re there for” so I guess she’s fine right? Doesn’t need ANY tweaking whatsoever! -
@sulaiman said:
The thing is you dont know where you can go to, because you cant see him. So staying is just as good/bad as going away and running into him 50% of the time.In Freddy’s current state, staying is actually better than running because it gives you more time to finish your task/wake up/literally anything that gives you the upper hand.
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@Dabrownman1812 said:
No_Mither_No_Problem said:There are two main factors that makes Freddy so weak.
The first is the dream transition. It's already bad enough that Freddy is an M1 Killer, but to make things even worse, he's an M1 Killer who has to initiate a 7-second waiting period after finding a Survivor in order to be able to hurt them. 7 seconds is ample time for a Survivor to finish what they were doing, run away, get woken up, or a combination of the three. 7 seconds for the Survivor to prepare, while Freddy stands by helplessly. This needs to be fixed. So what are my fixes?
* Make the dream transition two seconds shorter, for a 5 second default. Five seconds is still ample time, but the difference between 5 and 7 is absolutely massive when Killers are running on borrowed time every match (pun not intended). It gives Survivors much less time to finish their gen, get to a loop or, God forbid, miss a skill check and wake up, causing Freddy to need to reset the transition.
* Make the dream transition cancel all interactions and prevent further from being performed. Again, we're going back to the two big issues of Survivors getting stuff done during the transition or missing a skill check. You found the Survivor; they shouldn't be allowed to sit there and prevent you from doing a thing to them while they get a gen done right in front of your face. If not this, then at the very least make the 50% action speed penalty apply during the transition.
* Make transitioning Survivors unable to be woken up. The transition is already long and painstaking for Freddy as is; giving Survs the ability to cancel it is ridiculous. He'll need to stat a whole new transition that can also be cancelled, further extending his inability to do anything.
* Give Freddy the ability to yank awake/transitioning Survivors. I know what you're thinking: "Isn't that OP? They can't see him!" But see, I think it's perfectly fine, for two reasons. The first is that his only other option is the long-ass transition where Survs can dick around without Freddy being able to do jack. The second is, he has a 24-meter lullaby for awake Survs that gets louder the closer he is. The only reason choosing to stay on a gen when you know the Killer is coming straight for your ass isn't a stupid decision against Freddy is because he can't punish you nearly harshly enough for it. If we made such a terrible play actually have consequences, then Survs with half a brain wouldn't execute it. Thusly, it would be a very stupid play and giving Freddy the ability to yank non-asleep Survs would make him able to punish said stupidity accordingly.
Now, that's just the first reason Freddy is weak af. The second reason is that even after the nonsense that is the dream transition has lapsed, Survivors can very, VERY easily get out of the dream world, meaning they are once more invulnerable to Freddy and he has to sleep them all over again. A few simple, minor changes will fix that.Make healing skill checks of any kind unable to wake up Survs. The only time a Survivor isn't running Self Care is when they're running No Mither. They have literally constant access to the ability to wake up. To make matters worse, the dream world action speed penalty is actually a hindrance to Freddy here, since SC slow+dream world slow=48 seconds for a Survivor to fail a skill check and wake up.
Make Adrenaline not wake up Survivors. Like, come on. It's already strong enough against any given M1 Killer as it is. An instaheal and 5 seconds of Sprint Burst ON TOP of waking up is simply too much. Actually, better yet, make it wake them up, but in exchange, make the instaheal+sprint burst not take effect if Adrenaline causes them to wake up. Excellent trade-off.
Significantly lower the odds of Skill Checks in the dream world. They happen way too often. In most cases, if Freddy isn't running anti-skill check addons, Survivors who get away from him will need no time at all to wake themselves up. Sure, it tells Freddy where he is, and sure, it sets back the progress of their action by 5 nanoseconds, but again, it leaves them unable to be smacked by Freddy until he goes through the annoying-ass transition again.
I feel like if at least a good deal of these buffs were implemented—specifically shorter transition, interaction cancel, and no healing wakeup—Freddy might be reasonably strong. For an M1 Killer, that is.
Taking transitioning survivors off gens nah, just make it so survivors can't do channeling actions that aren't saves while in transition.
No, if they choose to make a play as stupid as staying on a gen with the Killer near they should be punished accordingly.
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@Peasant said:
Quentin all the way. This mainly because he's the one character I have the most in common with.Are you saying you’re a lil ######### that looks clapped? You shouldn’t be so hard on yourself.