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@DwightsLifeMatters said:
Legion doesn't need a buff nor does he need a nerf. He needs a rework.
I agree, Franks Mix tape needs to be nerfed though and they need to undo the moonwalking deep wounds exploit, (ie if the killer is within 15 meters when you are mending and the mend timer ends doesnt put you in dying). This is why survivors are not ashamed to DC against legion because that stuff is broken and unfun. Not much you can do against it. Same can be said for why survs DC against Prayer Beads spirit or Irri Head Huntress.
And honestly until they rework legion people will continue to DC against him, take it up with the Developers not the survivors. Legion is unfun to play against due to poor design, thats the consensus among the community (by that I mean twitch not the forum trolls obviously like OP although I say hes a better troll than most on the forums.)
Also @uncommon If it is really true that you are so hurt by what people say to you in an online game, perhaps DBD isnt for you by its nature. Try Garry's Mod, many communities are allot nicer for fragile people, or try playing a killer that doesnt make other people feel bored/cheated and they wont be mean to you, or try not being that jerk with Frank's and mend timers. Good luck making people feel ashamed for being rude to Legion players given how most legion players play. Then again, you are probably just trolling in which case, wp.
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@anarchy753 said:
I agree with your idea about resisting one-hit downs.
Like you said the huge issue with this perk is that it nerfs killers who already struggle to get chases finished quickly and literally doesn't affect those that are already in a strong position.
If we instead changed it to affect one-shots, it would instead become a counter to abilities that killers can bring that make chases way shorter or take less skill. It becomes like the good counter perks, ie DS is brought to counter tunnelling, MoM would be brought to counter one shots. On that though it would need to include powers and add-ons that one shot, not just "exposed," covering Noed (which most survivors hate), Hillbilly's chainsaws, Iridescent Heads on Huntress and perks like Make Your Choice which are common on Nurse. Sure, these can affect M1 killers too, but unlike current MoM it's not guaranteed to ######### them every game.
My ideal would be:
"Each time you are hooked, Mettle of Man gains a charge. Any time an attack or power would take you from the healthy state to the downed state, one charge is consumed and you become injured instead.
After using a charge of Mettle of Man, returning to the healthy state reveals your aura to the killer outside of 16/14/12 meters until you are downed again."
That would prevent it killing killer's momentum early, while allowing for 2 attack "blocks" which could prevent being one-hit downed, while not completely ignoring the attack.
Thats what I mean, and I think this is a good design. albeit start with 1 token so if you start against an irri head its not worthless
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@Coder said:
I've posted an idea for balancing this perk. Check it out, tell me what you think.
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/56050/idea-for-balancing-mettle-of-man
I think this is a step in the right direction but still is kinda a pigeonhole fix. Right now survs dont really have much of a response to things like Make your choice proxy camping nurses, Irrihead huntress, NOED (except breaking totems which in a close game can be enough time wasted to ensure death). And nothing for Instasaw Billy. However this is why I proposed making it turn exposed hits into regular ones (and thus furthering the theme of being tough and surviving Ash cut his own hand off and was fine after all). will still be a Good perk, but wont dunk on bad killers like how it is now. (with the exception of spirit who is good and affected by it. but a prayer beads rework is a discussion for another thread).
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An ebony mori should require more effort since it rewards the killer an easy kill.
I agree Ebony mori should only work for 2 kills in my opinion. full team wipes from it seem a bit broken
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I agree. BBQ is super good for killer and WGLF only gives BP I would like it if it was either easier to get tokens (ie one when the last gen finishes or one for healing a healthstate) or/and it did additional things (the most symetrical thing would be to show you the killers aura on gaining a token for 4 seconds).
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@DocOctober said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/400090#Comment_400090
I don't care about how you play Killer or if or not you have issues with Emblems (which is not part of this discussion anyways). And if you imply that I'm some low-rank, low-hour nobody giving feedback, you clearly have zero idea who I am.
With that tone of voice I am certain that you are one now. "you clearly have no idea who I am" Imao you sound like an entitled valley girl. Its okay to be a low hour nobody and rank means nothing bub. <3
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We are so divided, we cry to much. It's not even feedback anymore. We keep tearing at each other's throats, we keep screaming and yelling.
"We are so divided, we cry to much. It's not even feedback anymore. We keep tearing at each other's throats, we keep screaming and yelling." into "m sorry but I CANNOT STAND PEOPLE LIKE YOU".
Sounds like you have some internal conflict, sorry feel the need to turn on caplocks outta frustration. You'll have a difficult time convincing anyone not to scream or be upset if you in turn scream at someone who disagrees with you. Furthermore; a large number of forum trolls DO use the legion portrait cause they know how the character makes people feel. Making it hard to tell a vent post from a bait. Im still not sure if you are a master baitsman or just a half-clueless killer main. Either way I dont wish you ill, but really think you need to relax and if you cant stand people disagreing with you perhaps you should post on the internet.
What I cannot stand, I think its more of the Develpor's fault is the mechanics that make people feel like fun is not an option in the game. By this I mean how legion's mechanic's work, How stupidly imbalanced maps like haddonfield and Coldwin are for survivor. We should be at BVHR's throats to fix these things not eachother cause the forums are only an effective platform for us to communicate to the devs not really eachother.
Unless you are just here to yell at people, which many people come here for. If thats the case I hope you feel better now! Either way I think you oughta take a look at your own actions on a post "we are tearing eachother apart" to "I (hate) people like you". But what am I saying People gonna be people. Killers gonna be killers, Pigs are gonna tunnel, megs are gonna be stupid, and the game will go on.
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We are so divided, we cry to much. It's not even feedback anymore. We keep tearing at each other's throats, we keep screaming and yelling.
Heres an Idea, dont play Nurse with noed, or legion and people wont DC. People play this game for fun and if they dont think they will have fun they will just not play. The same can be said for playing against 4 survivor blendettes that do nothing but hide or getting Haddonfield as killer. I dont blame the killers for dcing or dodging that lobby because it would be unfun. I feel that your just trolling (evidenced by legion portrait), If you want real games where people arnt going to whine or dc, play a killer that isnt busted. Because I know many people in the community feel like if we see a legion with Frank's mix tape or starts moonwalking on deep wounds we just DC. Which is the SAME as any competent billy or huntress that gets haddonfield or lerys. So "Grow a pair, suck it up" and stop whining about the community's whining.
And honestly there is no consequences for dcing against, for say a prayer beads spirit, which the consensus among people is busted and Id rather just not play.
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After playing for a few weeks with this new pipping system, I've changed from the opinion of liking the difficulty bump (as killer) to feeling cheated by it (as survivor).
I think its too hard for survivors to rank up (which is in turn why every rank 1 killer streamer is always playing against green ranks). Its fine for killer I would say.
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How I would rework legion For anyone interested on why I think Legion's current state is bad for dead by daylight, I've included a detailed description on my thoughts on the killer later in this post.
I like the Idea. Much better then the currently implemented method.
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@DukeJukem said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/394977#Comment_394977
lol swf comms tells you where the killer can be right? well the killer just needs to patrol gens and find survivors around the gens. being on comms isnt going to make you invisible buddy. learn to open your eyes and ears and find someone, patrol gens. killers suck and have all the handouts
Master is a known forums troll, ignore him cause mods wont do anything bout it.
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haha
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@tastyflesh said:
Said the guy who mains nurse, no irony here.
He doesnt main nurse though... Billy main.
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@Master said:
Played yesterday a game where it literally was impossible for me to secure a kill (or camp lul) Thanks to BT and DS rushing the hook has become braindead easy
Just dont camp. Play like any decent killer and go to the next person. The idea you need to "secure a kill" is the problem, you ought to go put on map pressure and stop the gens being finished.
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Good idea
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@darktrix said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/393906#Comment_393906
No that's not right either, apologist.
Hes just a forums troll, literally all he does he has almost 10k posts and is negative and igorantly prokiller everywhere. He even has the audiacity to blatantly lie that MLGA is bannable. so ignore him. and mhhBurgers @Kikki
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@JoannaVO said:
It's not that hard to get stacks, just perform unhooks (safe please) and take a hit near someone injured and you're good. Perk doesn't need any buff. It's good to use when you want BP faster, if you want any kind of aura reading then just use any other perk as there are so many perks that allow you to read aura's or open exit gates faster. If they'd buff WGLF, those perks would literally stay untouched which is a waste.
Yeah it is. Its twice as hard to get stacks as surv then with BBQ if you dont farm. And I could make the same arguement about BBQ, I would use it even without the BP gain. Its just a little misbalanced that BBQ is the best BP perk for killer while also being a solid tracking perk while WGLF is only a modest BP perk. I would agree with @TreemanXD
Survivors get less BP then killers anyways and this could help some.
@Master Theres an easy fix for that, play with your friends or rank up.
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@fluffybunny said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/393500#Comment_393500
@No1TheLarch I was told that MLGA could get me banned if they detect it. I don't really want to block someone if they have a bad day, too. They may usually be nice.
EDIT: I saw your edit. Some of the killer portraits are survivor mains and some are 50/50 killer and survivor. I was just wondering if people were experiencing what I was experiencing.
You have been told incorrectly, here is a thread about it
I use it for people who lagswitch, are awful in post game chat (stuff like ######### or the R word), or like facecamp. Also Franks Mix Tape. I play the game for fun and if they banned people for using MLGA they would have no Fog Whisperers, and they would ban over half the veteran players. Plus it let you see their ping reliably.
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Has anyone else noticed an increase in toxicity from killers since the DS rework?
Yeah killers have been playing like scumbags more recently, but theyve always over camped and tunneled and BVHR has mechanics that reward this (dyling light, no BP penatly for tunneling). Honestly just MLGA block them and move on.
Furthermore these forums are HEAVILY killer stacked as evidenced by all the killer portraits as well as forum trolls such as Master (see 9,000+ posts I doubt he has as many hours as he does posts).
@DudeDelicious Also DS is trash now, most M1 killers use enduring (if they are any good) which makes it a .5 second stun even with enduring 1 https://www.twitch.tv/scottjund/clip/BitterKathishParrotStoneLightning?filter=clips&range=7d&sort=time
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@HeHeBoii said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/392300#Comment_392300
Doesn't matter. If it's in the game, it's there to stay. So to those that cry about maps, characters, addons etc, probably shouldn't be playing. "Unfun" so killer's should dc after every swf group, especially the toxic ones.
I wouldnt blame a killer for dcing if a swf groups pops an instaheal in their face, or uses a game piece or strode reality key, or double thick mist. and your asseration that "If its in the game, its there to say" is incorrect. They just nerfed DS into the ground because it was too strong and often toxic, they buffed hag heavily and now she is among the top 5 best killers from being 3rd worst. The same logic could be used for making prayer beads reduce the range phasing can be heard by half, (which would still be strong), or making deep wounds not down you if you stop mending and killer is within 10 meters, while still allowing legion's power to down by depleting it. Also the numbers for DW timer could be reduced for frank's mixtape which could allow for slightly more counterplay.
I dont think OP is entirely wrong about DCs being a problem, as a survivor I hate it when my teamate leaves within 30 seconds which screws me over, but I think a better attitude could be taken towards finding a solution that works best for the health of the game and community. After all the game is about fun, and its fine to have so strong items to use on occasion but we can work towards making them not completely game breaking. Take irri head hatchets for example. They are super strong but come with a super big downside AND cost 13000 BP to use effectively, AND can be found only on 1 in 3-4 bloodwebs.
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If you wonder why people are dcing, its because you play legion. Survivors are tired of the whole deep wound, then break chase and proxy until they drop on the floor. Cant really blame them because the game is for fun and that isnt fun. Same reason you cant blame killers for insta dcing on Haddonfield or wrecked shop, super unfun to play on. Furthermore your attitude "git gud" isnt gonna connect with anyone nor persuade that you have the moral high ground, frankly it just makes you look immature. I, for one, have 400 more hours on killer than survivor yet will dc the first time I see franks mix tape used or prayerbeads, because screw that noise on a game I am trying to have fun on.
On the other hand the numbers of DCs on first hits (not Prayer beads spirit or legion im talking about) its very problematic. I feel if you dc you shouldn't be able to reque for 5 minutes and you ought to take a 20% penalty to BP the next 2 games, to dissuade this while not penalizing the people whose dog tripped over the Ethernet cable too hard.
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@MrsMayhem_93 said:
This just happened to me it was ranks 13-18 going against a rank 2 -_-. Did it happen on pc or what platform?
PC and its not just me, its everyone. https://clips.twitch.tv/DeterminedCourageousMelonTooSpicy
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The average waiting time that I experience is 5 seconds as a Survivor and 3 seconds as a Killer..
its good for me
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Im trying to rememeber the name of this song. Singing the lyrics may help I think.
It starts, "Just a small town girl, Livin in a lonely world..."
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Kiss David or Kate, they are both delicious.
Hug, Spirit cause she needs one.
F, Susie bet she crazy or David for obvious reasons. First though Anna but I doubt anyone could survive those thighs.
Marry Dwight or Claudette cause they are both kind and lyfe material. Wouldn't David cause hed end up dead shanked in some bar breaking my heart prolly.
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@Blueberry said:
You got some good points I'd agree with but I think you over complicated it some. The devs have very little resources and are very slow on changes. They need something that is very quick and easy to implement.
Just get rid of the cheese nonsense of following blood backwards. Then give him normal 115% move speed like you said, followed by a longer base duration Feral Frenzy.
This moves his Feral Frenzy to being used to apply pressure and slow down the survivors. They will also now waste time healing against him because he has 115% move speed and can just M1 them if they stay injured.
It's the easiest changes for them to implement without a lot of work.
This, nerf Franks Mix Tape (everyone dcs on it anyways), and make deep wound not continue/down you if you are stop mending with the killer 10 meters away. This will stop the stupid breakchase cheese.
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The only thing that makes her OP is that she can infect everything and I think it is a bit busted.
Im sorry but you are incorrect. The reason she can be strong is survivors over use fountains. But Plague is still mid tiers. The generally accepted best killers are Nurse, spirit, then Billy, Huntress and Hag. Plague is right below them and right above myers and purple windstorm bodyblock wraith
Dont get me wrong, anyone who says shes low tier is again wrong (and LFs saying that is really amusing) shes good but not OP like Nurse and Prayer Beads spirit
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I agree, Also the timer should be slightly longer.
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Get rid of the see-through walls in Farm maps. They have no place in this game.
As a Huntress main, I agree completely. Its bad enough to have the great corn. but the see through walls make Coldwin stink for killer
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Stealth is boring to play as and against. Please ignore all of these people as Blendettes can still hide as is.
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Matchmaking isnt good atm, much more red pings then there used to be. I know its subjective but I think BVHR might have borked the spaghetti code again.
Also like matches are allot more lopsided these days. Please undo whatever you did to matchmaking and have it how it was 2 weeks ago.
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I know Behaviour want to nerf Survivors into utter oblivion but this is dumb.
Heres an Idea, get better internet. If you test your ping and its over 50, perhaps thats why your pallets arnt working. I personally am sick of so many Wifi killers and survs
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Hey all. So as we know the new killer dropped today (or yesterday technically) and I love her.
Im sorry, you play legion so you may not be familar with how DBD really works. So Plague is fine and strong just over Myers and under Hag and Huntress in strength. No changes needed.
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New DS is now an anti tunnel perk and AMAZING for solo survivors, but Enduring completely eats it.
I agree with OP here is evidence to back up here story https://www.twitch.tv/scottjund/clip/BitterKathishParrotStoneLightning?filter=clips&range=7d&sort=time
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@CydoniaTV said:
It's an anti-tunnel perk now.
Basically, if a killer is gonna tunnel someone who just got unhooked or within a few seconds. It's a second chance to get away from the tunneling.
No its useless now. as evidenced by good killers who use Enduring, even at lvl 1 . here is evidence https://www.twitch.tv/scottjund/clip/BitterKathishParrotStoneLightning?filter=clips&range=7d&sort=time
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Legion, then Pig and hag because people who play them are usually toxic and mean spirited
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Before I get into the downward trend, and the reasons for it from my experience of talking to other players.
For the love of the game please rework Franks Mix Tape, and Prayer beads as well as FIXING THE DANG LOADING SCREENS. I, for one, will not buy another thing in the game until the loading screens are patched.
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@ASurvkillivorer said:
If it wasn't an exhaustion perk it would be ridiculous. You could sit inside a locker and stun the killer then sprint burst off or whatever. Then simply get into another locker with 3 seconds to spare and do the same thing. If ALL you need is 3 seconds you could spend the entire game in a locker literally.
which would be good for the killer because if you are in a locker, you arnt on a generator.
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Please ignore all the Legion mains and forum heros such as @Eveline . DS is completely useless now, as actual good killers note. https://clips.twitch.tv/BitterKathishParrotStoneLightning
DS was very strong previously but instead of what they have done, a better change would be to do away with the timer entirely and base it on whether another surv has been hooked before they try to pick you up. this way it STILL counters tunneling, which is a huge problem driving people away, while not punishing non toxic killers. Futhermore Enduring shouldnt effect it as it does now as you can tell by this clip.
Many of my fellow killer mains like to blame survivors or survivor perks for not being able to win instead of improving how they run pallets.
Also with many surv perks not working: Head On, WGLF, Borrowed time etc. These things are why the population on DBD is so low atm and why I, at least wont pay for it until these issues are fixed. While
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I agree, the best fix for the issue as I see it is a mild punishment in two forms, if you dc (could be internet and we MUST remember this) cause you to be unable to join/create lobbies for the next 4 minutes and get -20% BP for the next 3 games which stacks for additional dcs. Since people care about BP this will discourage rage dcs, and the 4 minute suspension will decrease the RATE at which people can join lobbies to immediately dc. all while not punishing someone whose dog tripped over the Ethernet cable too hard.
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In the same patch you nerf lithe now you remove the fact that the ability activate only in the chase.
Just dont fast vault windows when your not in a chase, spam lockers for noise.... like its not rocket science. Also BBQ was nerfed, although they did nerf DS into the ground making it basically useless, @me for more on that
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I feel like its really good as is, you can use it like a backrev and get quickish downs. plague is strong now and prolly right above myers and below hag/huntress
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@Eveline said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/374279#Comment_374279
Maybe you can, after a few generators get done meanwhile.
I mean perhaps a forums warrior with the legion portrait could see what he means. If you play a decent killer ie myers, plague, huntress, windstorm wraith, hag, huntress, billy, or nurse youll have no problem. I certainly wont mind it as playing nurse is easy enough as is.
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@feechima said:
But you know the devs don't do anything to help killers...except
Killers complain about bodyblocking= mad grit
killers complain about looping= bamboozle, Legion, nerf windows,reduce pallets
killers complain about gen rush= corrupt intervention
killers complain about pallets= spirit fury
Killers dont need much help and Legion needs complete rework or delet. tbh, things are fairly balanced and killers only complain cause they are bad and dont know how to run tiles. Here is a educational guide for running ALL generic tilesets with a maximum of 2 loops. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8u0jRxN2kQ
That being said, certain windows ARE broken and bad for killer, ie Ironworks, suffication pit, racid abbatour.... these are the real problem
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@Eveline said:
I dunno. This new killer might end up weak.
Nah shes super strong, the strat is puke and follow withing 2 feet until they go broken and then just m1, hiting puke is super easy and then you dont give them speedboost for getting 1 healthstate. Also fountain takes 6 seconds but gives killer damaging puke for a considerable time. which is ugly in the basement or with where you can hit 3 survs with one go while not losing much speed. but then again you have a legion icon so maybe Im argueing against the wrong person. FeelsBadMan.
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@IronKnight55 said:
Amanda (The Pig) is a good killer. I play as her a lot in the red ranks and do very good most of the time. She isn't the best killer in the game, but she is far from being bad.
Ranks are meaningless. Pig isnt a good killer compared to Nurse, Hag, billy, huntress, spirit, or Myers. Shes slightly better if you play like a dbag and tunnel the trap and camp but you both get less points for that and ruin other peoples days. I put pig behind all of those and also behind trapper and windstorm-swift hunt wraith.
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So what do you guys think about the new vision blur? Is it too much?
Its realllllllllllllllllllllllly bad, like old doc. even worse than deep wound atm. bvhr pls.
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This is the only change in the ptb notes that I take umbrage with.
There is an simple solution, just dont play legion or hostage doctor and people wont dc even a quarter as much. Because honestly, as someone who plays both killer and survivor I dont want to waste 30 minutes against a hostage doc or a legion who immediately breaks chase and follows or tunnels off hook. Furthermore if they suicide or DC they screw themselves over more than the killer by getting less or no points themselves.
We killers get more BP rn than survs anyways tbh.
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BBQ i always run, for Bloodpoints and to be in chases constantly, haunted grounds I dont find that useful for Its kind of a one and done and often doesnt get you anything. unless of course you wait for someone to pop it and uncloak in their face EvilKermit!