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@Nickenzie said: Additionally, if he continued reading my thread, he would have seen that I disagreed with this idea if survivors being as strong as a killer.
You're misunderstanding his reply completely. You stated that currently one survivor is equal to the killer. I pointed out where. He replied, in his own way, that you were wrong in stating that currently one survivor is equal to the killer.
Whether or not a survivor should be or not is irrelevant to his reply. Whether or not you later stated that you disagreed with the idea is irrelevant to the reply.
You clearly and blatantly stated that as of right now, a single survivor is equal to the killer in Dead by Daylight. To which he replied that you were wrong. A single killer is not currently equal to the killer. He called your entire power assessment inaccurate.
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Damn it and again.
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Ignore this post. The forum is for some reason trying to force me to double or triple post.
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@Nickenzie To fair, you did say that currently one survivor is as strong as a killer. For some reason, I can't grab a post-quote from your spoilers, but at the end of the first paragraph in the first spoiler, you wrote: however currently one survivor is as strong as the killer which goes against what a asymmetrical game is!
@Dreamnomad strongly disagreed with your assessment, and stated his feelings if you actually believe one survivor is as strong as a killer.
You then replied:
@Nickenzie said: can you quote my OP from where I said that at please because if I remember correctly I said "One survivor being equal in strength to a killer is a PROBLEM".
Then you remembered only partially. Because while your entire post says why it's a problem, you did, indeed, state that currently one survivor is as strong as the killer.
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@DeadByFlashlight said:
According to the new bann rules, usage of discord/ts is actually bannable even though if the devs have no tools to detect it.Are we talking Behavior ban rules? I don't use Discord because I play solo, but where is that said? I'm morbidly curious.
(Hell, I don't use Discord at all for anything. I don't even have it installed.)
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@TheHourMan said:
No matter which metric you use (pips or points) doing ONLY generators and exit gates is not enough to have done a good job.This. Yes, I am brand new to the game, but not new to PvP games. I've watched a ton of vids on this game before buying, which I rarely do, but have learned to do for PvP games.
Anyway, there are bloodpoint categories for a reason. The Devs constantly speak of looking for ways to make it more engaging, as opposed to more ways to hook or do gens faster. Yeah, there's an objective (gens or hooks), but that's one category of what you get rewarded for.
I don't know. If I simply want to play the objective, I'll just head back to Overwatch. After all, that's the sole point of the game. Here in DBD, I'll do what I can to create fun, engaging matches that reward us all bloodpoints, if possible.
Guess I'm just playing wrong.
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@TheHourMan said:
No matter which metric you use (pips or points) doing ONLY generators and exit gates is not enough to have done a good job.This. Yes, I am brand new to the game, but not new to PvP games. I've watched a ton of vids on this game before buying, which I rarely do, but have learned to do for PvP games.
Anyway, there are bloodpoint categories for a reason. The Devs constantly speak of looking for ways to make it more engaging, as opposed to more ways to hook or do gens faster. Yeah, there's an objective (gens or hooks), but that's one category of what you get rewarded for.
I don't know. If I simply want to play the objective, I'll just head back to Overwatch. After all, that's the sole point of that game. Here in DBD, I'll do what I can to create fun, engaging matches that reward us all bloodpoints, if possible.
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@MisterCremaster That makes sense. Given the way I want to play the game, then, I should hover in the low to mid ranks without a problem.
As far as the creepy killer nurse fantasy . . . you might be surprised. Hell, I'd be shocked if there isn't a website out there dedicated to it.
I know Freddy is weak, but I'm going to play him and have fun anyway. Nostalgia, and all that. I bought the game to be a horror film killer or victim, that's all. If a Survivor escapes, I'm fine with that. They survived for the "sequel," so to speak. If I get sacrificed as a Survivor? Well, guess that was my role after all.
I know I am a minority here at the forums, but I wonder if I am in the overall player base.
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@Grimbergoth said:
as much as I would like tosay this is different I can see what they were talking about . I don't think they are saying the voice there and here kinda thing . I think its how those programs relay data that the opposing team don't have access to , and how discord or steam or anything else can allow survivors to relay data that the opposite team or killer doesn't have access to . if it were 4v2 then I would say discord is fine because both sides stand equal ground .I don't think banning for using it is the right call either , but I do think something needs done , balance around it you make solo players suffer , don't , you make killers suffer for it , there is a real no win situation they create with it . It doesn't matter what they do it will upset one group or another and there will be imbalance . you have 3 factions at play here , solo survivors , swf survivors , and killer . No matter what they do to try and balance things out one of the three will always be least favorable impacted side . With the dev stats the last I heard that 70% of all games were some form of swf I would say its looking like balancing around it . that or just change the format to a 5v2 , but if you put 2 killers in then people will scream its unfair for them to have voice coms ...
New to DBD, but not new to gaming or PvP games in general, and I agree with what you wrote.
On a side note: I was thinking today that DBD needs something like an "arcade mode" that has different variations of game mode in it. I was thinking of 4v2 or something like that. Like a Freddy vs Jason game mode, where you have two Killers working against each other to get the survivors. I mean, they'd have to set it up so that the Killers also have a reason to go against each other in the mode. Maybe something along the lines of one gaining bloodpoints takes from the match's bloodpoint earning of the other, or something a little less anger-inducing, maybe.
An issue would be Freddy, so maybe the other Killer can still attack him, even if not in the Dream Realm thanks to the Entity and the Killers' connection to it..
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@MisterCremaster said:
Another thing to remember is that most of us on the forums aren't your average players. We're probably all relatively high rank (or could be), and thus understand the limitations and loadouts of the killers so we can play to them.I would imagine for 80% of the players, they get stomped by Freddy, Cannibal and Wraith just as much as they do Nurse and Billy and find all the killers very challenging to play against. Unless the devs put in new objectives and give individual killers more variety in their load outs, then they will always have to have (and I agree with them) definitively low-tier killers.
Having played other Hero-based PvP games like Overwatch and Paladins, where the abilities are also hard-baked in, you will need low-skill characters. You're right about a majority of the player base, too. Just look at the majority ranks in a game like Overwatch. A very small percentage reach high ranks, most hover around the middle ranks.
DBD is a little odd because it seems that here, if one simply grinds out enough play time, one can pip and rank enough to reach the Red Ranks. It's why I'm disappointed, as a new player, that there isn't a casual mode. And KYF doesn't count due to no bloodpoint progression at all. I don't want to climb ranks. I just want to have fun in some digital let's pretend being a horror film killer. That's why I bought the game. I'm very new, but I'm not even worried about getting a 4-kill. Hey, some survivors escape? Cool. But did we all get some decent bloodpoints in the match? Was it engaging and fun?
That's all I want. It's why I've no interest in face camping and all that crap.
It's why I do not want to climb the ranks. But if I play enough and long enough, it seems purposefully thowing matches and de-pipping will be my only option, since Behavior chose to not have a Ranked and Non-Ranked mode.
I'm an older gamer. I'm casual: limited play time, not looking to be a top player. I'm a very happy casual gamer. Can't they at least make it harder to climb ranks? Because just trying to make the match engaging as a Killer, and making sure everyone can get some bloodpoints (yes, go, save your fellow survivor from the hook), is going to eventually raise my rank. I don't want that. I don't want to play a "competitive mode."
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I'm new, but so far: Myers. Despite the nostalgia since I grew-up on the films (I was 5-years-old when I saw the original in theaters), I also really like his play style.
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Blizzard banning Visor and Pursuit (the latter of which made no sense, to be honest, after researching what it was), does not correlate to voice chat in DBD. At no point in any ToS here have I seen a warning that using a third-party voice chat application is bannable. Not to mention, it's even integrated with Steam.
That said: I don't care what Blizzard does anymore. They have completely butchered Overwatch purely in the name of making things more fun to watch in the Overwatch League, which is their real focus. Despite the crap here, I'll take Behavior and DBD over Jeff Kaplan (the Overwatch Game Lead) and Activision-Blizzard any day of the week. There's a reason I left that damned company after being a customer for upwards of 24 years.
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@chococri Nope. But I'm new to Steam. Never used it before a few months ago, though I had an account lingering for a while. So, maybe my display name wasn't what was needed. No worries, next time I login to it, I'll just send you a request.
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@chococri Ha! Myers here as well. I'm also the same name on Steam.
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@chococri What platform are you on? I'm on PC
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@ShrimpTwiggs Thanks for the tips. Yeah, I'm not going to worry about BBQ until I get more hours into the game, know what map is what, and get my game play to where I can hook survivors with some consistency. At this stage in my game, still learning everything, finding the right mouse sensitivity to control my Killers better, and so forth, I'm not hooking consistently enough yet for BBQ to be a BP benefit.
Once I get there, I'll likely get it, then.
Myers is by far my favorite so far. Good to hear Freddy is getting a buff soon. He and Myers are my nostalgia. I grew-up going to the theater for those films. I was 5-years-old watching the original Halloween when it first came out.
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@PhantomMask20763 Well, at least they're still clothed. I mean, in some of these slasher horror films, it was inevitable that it would degrade into soft-porn. >_<
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@TheBean Yep, it's there. I was looking for a disable option in the Options menu, that's why I wasn't finding it. Whoops.
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@PhantomMask20763 I'll be around. Beats the hell out of the Overwatch forums. At least here, we don't have thread on thread asking for Killer or Survivor sexual orientation reveals.
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@TheBean said:
Turn the chat off if you don't want to use it. There is the option to do that. So you can actually remove it yourself.How and where? Because I could not find it. Or is that a console thing? I'm on PC.
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@Kaelum I'm not going to take the time to look to see if the full video is edited, but what he said about it, including the Trapper part, was even stated in a Reddit thread around 5 months ago.
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@PhantomMask20763 said:
purebalance said:
Nurse on the other hand has a high skill cap, but is amazing once you get good with her.Yup nurse has a high skill cap but comes with a great reward which is being able to dominate when you get good with her
Yeah, she was on my list once I got some hours into the game and the general basics down to a reflex.
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@PhantomMask20763 said:
Well I would try focusing on one or two killers as the grind can be very real sometimes but what I did was once I got all four perk slots and some good addons I moved on to another killer and leveled them up and once I got all four perk slots for them then i moved on to another killer rinse and repeat. Then once you have all the killers that you wanted to level up leveled up you can start playing the one you want to play for fun and stuff and unlock teachables for the other characters. Sorry if it didnt make sense (I'm sleepy and I dont make sense when I'm sleepy lol.)That made perfect sense, thanks.
And yeah, I feel you. It's 1am here. I have to be up at 8am for the 8-year-old's school, so about to head to bed myself.
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@PhantomMask20763 said:
Yeah, unfortunately I still haven't even made it to diamond I've been stuck in plat since forever nowWe left Comp midway through Season 7 and never went back. We got sick of the toxicity.
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@purebalance and @PhantomMask20763 I'll ask both of you since you guys seem knowledgeable and have been posting to me regularly: Is it a bad idea, once I try them out and see who I like, to just focus on two, maybe three at the tops, killers at first? Or even one killer? I don't want to spread bloodpoints so thin that I never really level anyone.
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@purebalance Believe it or not, that was my initial impression of Deerstalker. I was just afraid that, being new, I was missing something.
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@PhantomMask20763 said:
Yeah I'm personally on console as my PC couldn't run the game. So I'm stuck with low fps, plus I could never get the hang of mouse and keyboardOh dear lord, that means you played Overwatch on console? I am so, so sorry for your pain.
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@PhantomMask20763 said:
Yeah shes a fun killer. Do you play on PC or console?I play on PC. Believe it or not, I've never played consoles. Most my kids are grown now (25, 20, 18, and then an 8 year old), but when those guys were younger, I tried Xbox with them. Too many damned buttons and sticks. I'll stick with mouse and keyboard remapping.
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@PhantomMask20763 said:
If you like Myers I think you'll like Amanda too. I personally love her. She is heavily rng reliant though which is a shame but her stealth can be pretty good early game and the reverse bear traps are decent at slowing down the game a bit. Just remember this the point of the traps is to give you more time to get hooks and prevent generator progress, they have the potential to kill but they're not meant to kill. Just a tip as shes my second main. Also (this tip will work more once you get to higher ranks) if you practice her ambush you can actually get a hit off of a survivor trying to run you around a pallet, it has to be well timed though. What I do is I pretend to go one way but immediately turn the other and that catches them off guard sometimes.I was watching all the Meoang guides this weekend, and he said the exact same thing about her reverse bear traps and how best to use them: not for the kill, but to slow the pace down a bit and get more control.
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@PhantomMask20763 said:
Billy is one of the strongest killers on the game. But I can see where your coming from with leatherface. It took forever for me to get his perks on everyone because I just really dislike playing him. Billy is fun once you learn to control the chainsaw. Take it from me that only recently I've gotten better at him. But then again I rarely play chainsaw killers too lol, they're not my cup of teaI come from a childhood heavy in horror. Halloween, Nightmare, Phantasm, etc. I was never a fan of Texas Chainsaw, though. I also write in the horror genre as part of my living as an author (I do several genres).
I like the stealth and/or stalk play style. Just makes me feel more like a horror film killer. I might like Spirit, too, but that's the only DLC I don't own yet.
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@PhantomMask20763 So far, Myers' play style works for me. I can see Freddy being a lot of fun once I practice him more. I haven't tried Amanda yet, but did watch a few vids of matches, and her stealth play style is something I might enjoy.
Also going to try Doctor and Hag. I think I might like The Doctor. Not sure about Hag.
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@PhantomMask20763 said:
Perks are always personal preference anyway, so just choose what you think would work for you or your perk build.I'm learning that. That's why I'm not worrying about Leatherface and BBQ at this point in time. I'm brand new. I'm not even finding survivors and hooking them consistently yet. I'll worry about BBQ once I have some hours into the game, know the maps and mechanics better, and can at least down and hook consistently. As it stands right now, the BP bonus for me isn't worth the effort to run Leatherface. I hate chainsaws. Tried him and Billy. We do not see eye to eye on play style.
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@PhantomMask20763 That was my thought as well, especially since Deerstalker is a base level perk, and Save the Best for Last is a Tier 2 version.
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@purebalance said:
Face camping at low ranks is toxic as hell considering most of them are as bad as you are much less face camping is toxic in terms of NOBODY gets good points including the killer.I agree with you completely. I've no interest in face camping. I wanna have fun, earn some bloodpoints, et cetera. The survivors do, too. Just like I do when Survivor. I'm all for everyone getting out of there with some BP.
I have very little interest in climbing the Rank ladder here just like I didn't for the same reason in Overwatch: The higher you go, the more damned toxic it gets. I'll be quite happy staying around the low ranks. It's why I stopped playing ranked in Overwatch and Paladins a year ago, and stayed exclusively in casual mode.
Since Behavior had the insane lack of wisdom not to include an unranked/casual mode, I'm just treating every game as casual. Let's all get some bloodpoints.
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@PhantomMask20763 Had a difficult time with Freddy tonight. But I expected that due to mechanics and just starting with him. Did hook a couple, no sacrifices, but I'm fine with that just starting out.
Really liked how Myers played. I had watched some vids on him over the weekend since playing Killer during double BP was impossible, and saw the Evil Within tips you also mentioned. I got three sacrifices one match, But averaged two most the time. Decided to level him to 10.
(Thinking of trying The Hag and Doctor out more, maybe.)
Now, a question: On my level 10 Bloodweb for Myers, I have the choice of the purple Save the Best for Last. The only difference between that and the normal perk is that you lose 3 tokens if you attack your obsession instead of 4. The other option is Deerstalker.
Should I take the Save the Best for Last upgrade, or Deerstalker? I ask because this is level 10, so whichever one I grab, The Entity is nabbing the other.
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The Shrine trolls Killer mains. Too funny.
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@PhantomMask20763 said:
You'll have tons of fun!!! I hope your experience here is most enjoyable. But just a heads up some people in our community get mad at each other and act all toxic for simply playing the game. So if anything happens in terms of people acting childish and such just report them if it's really serious as in telling you to die irl or being extremely toxic and rude. Most of the time though it's just that they're mad and probably had some bad games before so they let it all out. If you play on pc just say gg and leave the match and if you're on console set your messages to friends only as it's very annoying receiving salt from some players. Just enjoy yourself and play how you want to play. See you in the fog!!!Oh hell, I'm 45-years-old, I've been around the block online gaming for about 20 years. Toxicity is nothing new. Usually, I just chill and ignore it. I knew it was time to take a break from Overwatch, though, when I got a warning that I was being toxic and if I didn't stop, I'd be silenced in-game.
Yeah, that was a sign that the game was no longer a place for me right now. I'm never toxic in a game, but Overwatch since Brigitte has managed to bring that out in me. Not Brigitte as far as she bothers me. I tend to win most fights against her even as Reinhardt. But it seems that too many teammates are afraid of her, run like hell, and we lose objectives.
But that's what happens when you release a Hero with all the benefits and very few drawbacks. But that's Kaplan and Goodman. I hated their work when they were back on WoW, too.
Right now, I'm just taking my time and finding out which Killers I click with. I'm partial to Myers and Freddy due to childhood nostalgia, but we'll see if I click with their play style. I'll find a few, no doubt.
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@PhantomMask20763 said:
Ooh a rein main, I always appreciated a tank on my team. I try to play most characters but I'd consider myself a sombra and reaper main. But back to Freddy, I love playing him because well its freddy. I loved the films and being able to finally play him in a game is fun but hey he's getting buffed soon so we can rejoice!!!
I will always take a Reaper main on my team. Yeah, I tend to main Tank and Supprt. Reinhardt and Lucio are primary, with Winston, D.Va, and Zenyatta as my back-ups. I can also DPS as well, with my mains being Soldier 76 and Junkrat. If we're getting eaten, and I'm not the only tank or support, I'll switch to 76 or Junkrat when we're against a wall. I will eat some people with either of them.
I've been in OW since launch day, but I need a break. So, had DBD and all the DLC up to Clown sitting since the Steam summer sale. Figured I'll give this game a whack for a bit and see what happens.
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@PhantomMask20763 said:
Just have fun!!! I didnt really try to unlock teachables when I started. Perks help you in game A LOT. I main Freddy and I have tons of fun with him, unfortunately he isnt in the best spot in terms of power but it just makes the victory that much sweeter. So just have fun and enjoy yourself it's a game after all!!!Freddy and Myers have my interest. I grew-up on them. I know Freddy is in a weak place right now. But hey, one of my mains in Overwatch was Reinhardt, so I know all about Devs ignoring someone or simply screwing them over. I can work with it, though. 8-)
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@Dreamnomad You know, you're right. And the advice in this thread has been fantastic.
Before Overwatch and HoTS and Paladins, I used to play MMOs for fun. I think somewhere in the past two years of those PvP games, I forgot what fun was about and became a slave to the meta. It's very good to know what Perks I will ultimately need, and the good thing about DBD is that I can place Bloodpoints into any character. So, I can also level up someone I don't find fun right now (because it can always change), like Leatherface, without having to actually grind him out for 35 levels.
But the name of the game is fun. And every once in a while in this current game industry, I think a lot of us just need a reminder of that.
Thanks.
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@Dreamnomad , Oh, I get what you're saying, and I understand why they're "meta," but I'm wondering if this is actually a game for me. I mean, it seems like I have to grind out Killers, whether or not I'm interested in them, to level 35 or more, to get these teachable meta-perks, before I'm able to actually play the killer I would enjoy.
Some people like LF or Hag, for example. Me? Not all that much. But that's where the perks are that everyone stresses needing. Which kind of makes the whole thing feel like an Asian grindfest: grind this and that, and then you can have fun.
I don't know. Maybe this game isn't for me after all.
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Final question.
Will not rushing for Self-Care and BBQ gimp me? Before you answer, let me explain my expectations and play style.
The reason I was going for Dwight first was because I liked his team-oriented perks. I always preferred a play style that could work with my team that way.
I really don’t care for Leatherface, not from a film franchise or gameplay standpoint. I grew-up on horror, and never cared for the Texas Chainsaw films.
I also am not concerned with hitting any of the red ranks. I honestly am not worried about rank in that sense. Hell, before I purchased DBD, I didn’t even know it had Ranked only outside of KYF. I assumed it also had a casual mode like I played in Overwatch, HoTS, and Paladins. I just don’t care about ladder climbing.
I really bought DBD to play a hide-and-seek horror movie themed game that also contained some Hollywood killers that I liked or grew-up on. I’m much more interested in playing Myers, Freddy, Amanda (for the licensed) or Doctor and Huntress (for the originals, and once they fix her hatchets).
So, will not rushing for those meta-perks gimp me and make the game non enjoyable?
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Final question.
Will not rushing for Self-Care and BBQ gimp me? Before you answer, let me explain my expectations and play style.
The reason I was going for Dwight first was because I liked his team-oriented perks. I always preferred a play style that could work with my team that way.
I really don’t care for Leatherface, not from a film franchise or gameplay standpoint. I grew-up on horror, and never cared for the Texas Chainsaw films.
I also am not concerned with hitting any of the red ranks. I honestly am not worried about rank in that sense. Hell, before I purchased DBD, I didn’t even know it had Ranked only outside of KYF. I assumed it also had a casual mode like I played in Overwatch, HoTS, and Paladins. I just don’t care about ladder climbing.
I really bought DBD to play a hide-and-seek horror movie themed game that also contained some Hollywood killers that I liked or grew-up on. I’m much more interested in playing Myers, Freddy, Amanda (for the licensed) or Doctor and Huntress (for the originals, and once they fix her hatchets).
So, will not rushing for those meta-perks gimp me and make the game unenjoyable?
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Here's another question:
Say I'm not that pressed about self-care. One of the reason I looked at Dwight to start with was because I liked his teamwork oriented perks. That play style interested me: something that could help my team out when we worked together.
Say, I'm not that pushed about BBQ because, honestly, I don't really care for Leatherface from a film franchise or game play standpoint.
Now, I also am not concerned about reaching the red ranks. Until I bought DBD, even though I had looked at some game play videos on it, I didn't even know it had ranks. Well, I did, but I didn't realize it only had a ranked mode outside of KYF. Even over in Overwatch, HoTS, or Paladins, I played casual. Never was interested in worrying about climbing a rank ladder. So, ranks aren't a concern to me.
I bought DBD to play a hide-and-seek horror movie themed game that also contained a couple of my favorite Hollywood killers. I'm much more interested in playing Myers, Amanda, Freddy (licensed) and Doctor and Huntress (when they fix hatchets) for the originals.
Will not rushing for SC and BBQ gimp me?
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I'm a new player and have watched many vids on the game play. I've received a lot of advice in a thread I created that said to level Claudette first for self-care, but to be honest, I'm just not that excited for the perk. I know it's not generally viewed as ideal, but Dwight interested me more due to his teamwork perks. That just seemed to fit the play style I'd hoped to go for, even though I solo-Q. Something that could help my fellow survivors a little.
Now, of course, I am torn. Or, I was before reading some comments in this thread. Maybe I will just focus on Dwight and learn to play my way.
The same is true for BBQ. It's a meta-perk, I get it. But yet, I really don't care for Leatherface. Not from a film franchise perspective (was never into Texas Chainsaw Massacre growing up, and I'm 45 by the way), and not from a gameplay standpoint. I don't know that I really care enough to grind BBQ. Hey, if I don't hit the red ranks, I don't care. I didn't buy DBD to "rank up," but to play a hide-and-seek horror movie themed game. I didn't even know it had ranks until after I bought it.
I'm much more interested in Myers, Amanda, Freddy, and Huntress (once they fix the hatchet issue).
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@TheDarkLycan said: its fine, soon technology will allow us to send emotions through the internet
Great. That's all we need. Because Harlan Ellison was already proven correct when he once stated that the internet would only allow millions of idiots to spread their disease unchecked. Now all we need is the ability for the millions of overly-emotional idiots to spread their plague unchecked.
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Maybe a Bloodhunt for a Halloween event near the end of the month? Would be nice, considering I'd like to maybe be able to play my Killer during one, and this weekend was a total bust for that. Unless, that is, I wanted to wait 30 minutes or a 5-10 minute match on PC.
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Again, guys, thanks for all the advice and tips. The community has been very helpful.
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And yet, from all I've read and have seen in video guides, people only run the same two or three different perk combinations between all their survivor and killer skins.
Reminds me of WoW when they had the old talent trees: Tons of talents, but only the same cookie-cutter meta-builds were ever used. It's why Blizzard finally just said ######### it, and redid talents to what they are now: pure homogenization.
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Thanks for all the advice so far. So far, I am horrible with chainsaws. I'll continue to put some time in, but if that doesn't improve, I may just go Myers, store the BP, then level up Leatherface that way for BBQ.