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Yet the hatch is a “mechanic problem” Bc of this. No it’s a player problem. I never have this issue.I’d rather run a higher risk of dying than have a stare off for longer than five minutes. I mean if you want to do it and find it fun, then go ahead. Don’t call it a mechanic problem though when it can be so easily avoided. New idea to solve you guys being stubborn. If both killer and survivor are within 5 m of the hatch for longer than 3 minutes then they both get a random sequence of skill checks hit until miss. First one to miss loses , winner gets hatch. You are welcomeSn0wJob said:@Rush_b_naked said:
Standing for xx minutes around and looking in the hatch.wow. get a life bois!Just remember, it takes two to make a standoff, his opponent apparently "didn't have a life" either.
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You guys are so petty. Just sooo petty ,that’s for killers and survivors that do this. Why just why? Is that one extra kill or not surviving that one round that important that you would rather stare at each other for over 10 minutes than move onto another round?
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They got ahold of your stash didn’t they? Went in the fridge and grabbed your kool-aid. Look what you have done. Jk this isn’t your fault.Lowbei said:welcome aari!!
I have been warned to stop causing a ruckus, but i swear im not doing anything
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It is. Cool yeah I thought that was you 😅Baphomett said:
Yeah, I recognize your name assuming it is the same handle you use in game.HeroLives said:
The first part was my thoughts exactly. Second part maybe it’s personal or maybe since they are new they are trying to do their job effectively. Idk. Hey are you the guy I was playing with the other day?Baphomett said:What a stupid, petty thing for a mod to pick as the one example of them finally doing thier job. How about the ad himinem attacks in every post here with more than 2 replies, or the various other, far more aggregious violations we see regularly? It reeks of a personal issue to me. -
This is such a great game. They have a prequel for vr called the inpatientDex_Starr said:Either Until Dawn's Psychopath
Or the Wendigo
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That was really cool of you. Alas ps4 though.Vortexas said:@HeroLives said:
Vortexas said:@HeroLives said:
Vortexas said:
@Lowbei said: to be fair... i wouldnt advise anyone start playing killer before mastering survivor, especially a kid She's like 22, but still.
Is she on console or pc?
Masterrace.
Gotcha nvm if she was on console I was going to say I’d play with her. I’m a girl too so I need more gamer girl friends.
I can dig that.
I mean she has an xbox, but I gifted her the steam version.
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Gotcha nvm if she was on console I was going to say I’d play with her. I’m a girl too so I need more gamer girl friends.Vortexas said:@HeroLives said:
Vortexas said:@Lowbei said:
to be fair... i wouldnt advise anyone start playing killer before mastering survivor, especially a kid
She's like 22, but still.
Is she on console or pc?
Masterrace.
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Me and this guy were having this very same conversation the other day. He asked why I haven’t played killer other than dailies. I’ve had this game a couple of months. I was like I think I should figure out how effective survivors work before trying to swap to killer. Can’t really catch or read survivors if you don’t know how they work first.Lowbei said:to be fair... i wouldnt advise anyone start playing killer before mastering survivor, especially a kid -
The first part was my thoughts exactly. Second part maybe it’s personal or maybe since they are new they are trying to do their job effectively. Idk. Hey are you the guy I was playing with the other day?Baphomett said:What a stupid, petty thing for a mod to pick as the one example of them finally doing thier job. How about the ad himinem attacks in every post here with more than 2 replies, or the various other, far more aggregious violations we see regularly? It reeks of a personal issue to me. -
Are we playing the same game Bc most of the generators have 2-3 sides available only. A couple have two. then 1 Single side.the rest are four sidessHAAN said:@Nickenzie said:
Someissues said:It's a bit exaggerated but can happen if they all bring toolboxes
anyhow here's a game, in 3 minutes 4 gens being done while a Killer is chasing one person on the Groaning Storehouse, Ruin was active the whole time, 1 toolbox was used and it was uncommon, no BNP use
Now imagine without Ruin how many gens will be done in 3 minutes
this can tell you how fast gens gets done
Your video proves my point further, I skipped to the 5 minute mark and all generators still haven't been completed. All generators were completed at 6:36 during the video but I do understand the point your trying to make. Generators can get completed really fast, no doubt that but there are multiple variables you'll have to consider. If I were to make generators balanced I would increase generators repair times to 90/65/50/35, 90 seconds being 1 survivor on a generator and 35 seconds being 4 survivors on a generator. Additionally, the environment should block some sides of the generator to prevent multiple survivors from working on the same generator to a point where it would be rare to see a 4 side generator.
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but they are in open places that have no cover or killer shack which is boxed in but can be loopable. The gens are in the right places for their side count. -
I try my best to do this. It’s so damn hard to pull off though.like so hard. Timing and placement have to be perfect.Envees said:@HeroLives said:
SovererignKing said:If all you care about is winning, sure. All Looping does is change an non consistent outcome into a much more consistent outcome. You’re no longer relying on your own skill, your relying on the game mechanics to do the work for you. I find it boring personally.
From a toxic camper:
If you manage to disappear after a hit like the two who have pulled it off in front of my eyes then you will get a free pass to do whatever you want up to and including getting out. I have that much respect for people who can pull this off.
What i mean is i find you, chase you and hit you and in the time it takes me to turn around to where you were, you are gone. Poof. Into thin air. Gone. Not behind me. Not under my FOV. Gone. Like magic. That is truly magical. In 1500 hours two people have done this to me and i remember, still, who they were i was that impressed. One was a green bill on Groaning Storehouse, the other a bright red pizza dwight with a flashlight on the same map.
Two cases of magic. There was next to nothing for them to hide behind. Just a few pallets that i checked after making sure they were not hiding under FOV or behind me.
More of this please and less running in circles. Being made to run in circles was one of my main gripes about this game and one of the reasons i stopped a month ago.
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^ a fellow stealtherDoom_Punk said:@akbays35 said:
@Master said:
Thats not how you rank up.
This is how you bully low rank killers without investing the time to derankIn other games it might be a strategy to rank up by playing with low ranks in order to maniupulate average elo, but in DBD ranking up is so easy that its not needed
It's kind of stupid actually, I've seen survivors pip without touching a generator and I've deranked doing 4 generators and nothing else. This game isn't based around skill or any sense of objectives, it's about hook farming now.
I'm a gen jockey so I know that part isn't necessarily true.
I do 3-4 gens, get the gate, break a Hex or two, and leave. When the Killer comes near I hide until they leave.
Iridescent Lightbringer, Iridescent Unbroken, Bronze/No Benevolent, Bronze Evader.
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The most accurate assumption on here.Master said:Thats not how you rank up.
This is how you bully low rank killers without investing the time to derankIn other games it might be a strategy to rank up by playing with low ranks in order to maniupulate average elo, but in DBD ranking up is so easy that its not needed
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#learntojukenotloopSovererignKing said:If all you care about is winning, sure. All Looping does is change an non consistent outcome into a much more consistent outcome. You’re no longer relying on your own skill, your relying on the game mechanics to do the work for you. I find it boring personally. -
SameSalty_Pearl said:Technician and Alert are amazing perks. Although I would like to see Alert get a small buff to it's range since most of the it is in the killer's terror radius.
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I’m currently running a technician, premonition, and alert build. It’s amazingpopoles said:Technician, Alert and Wake Up!
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Maybe but the two assistants could carry medkits.its to prevent a specific item from over use. Ie everyone with insta heals; toolboxes with addons, and a lobby full of flashlights. And to make sure that it’s carried out throughout the match that’s why you can only grab the item in your catagory from a chest. Bc from what I grasp these items break the game when equipped in quantity. I think it will go swimmingly with the new plunders buff. Also thank you. The devs of course could tweak the idea.Schulz_The_Ugly said:@HeroLives said:
Hi! I’ve been playing this game for a couple of months so idk how much weight that holds compared to everyone else but from an unbiased obsersavation I believe that these implementations could help tremendously with balance.- When in the ready lobby survivors would select one of three catagories before proceeding. To select an item, or ready up
A) altruist-allowed to bring in flashlight only items
mechanic- allowed to bring in toolbox
c) assistant -can bring in med kit, map, or key.
there is only 1 mechanic and 1 altruist allowed in the lobby. The other two spots are for assistants.
If you did not select before the timer ends(add an additional minute) you will be placed in one of the unchoosen catagoriea available.
While in game you can only use the item pertained to your catagory for that match.
What do you guys think?
not bad my man, yet i think autruist should also have medkit..
- When in the ready lobby survivors would select one of three catagories before proceeding. To select an item, or ready up
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If they don’t have the item they can search chests to get one in game. Or select one of the other options.xxaggieboyxx said:Not a bad idea but there is gonna be those people that choose mechanic or altruist and don't bring anything
The thing with selecting your playstyle for the match is that if someone else searches the chest and they selected altruist if they find a flashlight they can take it, but if it’s a toolbox then they can’t grab it that round. So if the person running mechanic goes to the box later the item will be there. If they don’t then oh well. It’s just to balance the over use of game throwing items in a single match as to not bully the killer. Level the playing field a bit. -
There I fixed it-^No_Mither_No_Problem said:@HeroLives said:
Hi! I’ve been playing this game for a couple of months so idk how much weight that holds compared to everyone else but from an unbiased obsersavation I believe that these implementations could help tremendously with balance.- Before joining a lobby survivors would select one of three catagories before proceeding to the ready up lobby.
A) altruist-allowed to bring in flashlight only items mechanic- allowed to bring in toolbox
c) assistant -can bring in med kit, map, or key.
there is only 1 mechanic and 1 altruist allowed in the lobby. The other two spots are for assistants.
In each lobby you are paired with the people who fill those spots.
While in game you can only use the item pertained to your catagory for that match.
What do you guys think?
That’s all well and good until [BAD WORD] nobody chooses assitant ever.
- Before joining a lobby survivors would select one of three catagories before proceeding to the ready up lobby.
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They will if they want to play the game and swf. It’s just how the cookie crumbles. I like to bring medkits Bc sometimes it’s hella faster than sc or when, I don’t feel like running it.No_Mither_No_Problem said:@HeroLives said:
Hi! I’ve been playing this game for a couple of months so idk how much weight that holds compared to everyone else but from an unbiased obsersavation I believe that these implementations could help tremendously with balance.- Before joining a lobby survivors would select one of three catagories before proceeding to the ready up lobby.
A) altruist-allowed to bring in flashlight only items mechanic- allowed to bring in toolbox
c) assistant -can bring in med kit, map, or key.
there is only 1 mechanic and 1 altruist allowed in the lobby. The other two spots are for assistants.
In each lobby you are paired with the people who fill those spots.
While in game you can only use the item pertained to your catagory for that match.
What do you guys think?
That’s all well and good until [BAD WORD] nobody chooses assitant ever.
- Before joining a lobby survivors would select one of three catagories before proceeding to the ready up lobby.
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Myers is the only truly terrifying killer in this game. Sure you can argue that Hag can get a few jump scares out of you and a good Nurse is frighting to try and lose but nothing beats Myers as he has a few scare tactics in his kit/add-ons.
I wasn’t even scared the first half. I was like ######### is this dude and why are they not doing anything. Then once my teammates started dropping at they hit tier three I was scared. He’s just so damn quiet, and on the right maps where it’s really dark so hard to see!
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^ true this ,just playing the killers to see how they work ,and how survivors combat it helps a lot.Zarathos said:Its also a good habbit to brush up on some of the killers your fighting before going in since their mechanics have crucial weak points you need to exploit in order to survive. For instance the hags traps will not be triggered if you crouch walk to a location where a trap is.
Also find other survivors that are awake to wake you up, or go fail a skill check.
Honestly learn to use premonition , and when it triggers leave the area in the opposite directions. It works beautifully against stealth and invisible killers
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Get in cahoots with mortal kombat. New licensed killer Scorpion. Get over here! Problem solved.
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Sn0wJob said:
Do you think they could change the names then? Since job titles apparently don't mean what they should.
I'm all for "Cranky old coot" and "those dang kids" myself, I'm a cranky old coot main but sometimes I play those dang kids because I can't "play on the lawn with friends" as a cranky old cootI smell a new game
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Idk if this helps or not, and I suck ass at killer*just to let that be known* however when I play for dailies I just look up when I see them going for a flashlight save. literally tilt your killer head up towards the sky. This counters flashlight.
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Well if you instadown everyone immediately and hang them all up you’re just sacrificing survivors. You’re literally not playing a match ,ie doing killer objectives. You can’t insta or Mori everyone without chasing and hitting and expect to pip. It literally defeats the whole purpose of the game which is to hunt, chase, and kill off survivors.
As a survivor you can’t expect to walk around a whole match not do gens, save, get in chases.If you hide all match then expect to pip simply Bc you weren’t caught then that’s dumb. Bc again it defeats the whole purpose of the game.
The emblem system is fine Bc it requires you to do things ,like it should.
Sorry ,not sorry you guys can’t short cut your way to the top. -
I already don’t trust some of my teammatesGT_Legend2 said:Itd be really nice to not even trust some of your survivor buddies at first, let me know what you think! -
Premonition
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And the dbd union said amen 🙏Dwight_Fairfield said:Its a shame the licensed characters aren't getting new cosmetics. I would love to see Halloween H20 Laurie, and the older Laurie from the upcoming new movie as alternate looks for Laurie.
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Currently premonition, alert , and technician it’s wonderful
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Right let them just constantly hang up on each other. 😉
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Seems like a fair trade. To be fair you would probably die anyways from the std the “working girl “ gave you that he bought.deadwolfwalking said:@pauloandrade22 said:
@deadwolfwalking said:
seems to me that the virgins in horror movies always survive.... so i think its safe to say that the ppl who escape the killer in DBD are also virgins.... SWF, flashlights and DS? you're NEVER getting laid....ummmmmmm i dont use them and i am one. So what happens then?
well.... if you were in my lobby, i'd let you go. if you were my friend, i'd introduce you to a few girls.... but then afterwards, i'd kill you every time you were in my lobby.... lol....
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Seems like a fair trade. To be fair you would probably die anyways from the std the “working girl “ gave you that he bought.deadwolfwalking said:@pauloandrade22 said:
@deadwolfwalking said:
seems to me that the virgins in horror movies always survive.... so i think its safe to say that the ppl who escape the killer in DBD are also virgins.... SWF, flashlights and DS? you're NEVER getting laid....ummmmmmm i dont use them and i am one. So what happens then?
well.... if you were in my lobby, i'd let you go. if you were my friend, i'd introduce you to a few girls.... but then afterwards, i'd kill you every time you were in my lobby.... lol....
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If it happened within the last 20 mins yeah that was you. I was so confused with what was going on. Then I saw you creeping out of the corner of the map when I was trying to get the door. Tried to time it , did a bad job at that obviously. Omg that was amazing. I did not see that second half of the match coming. I’m still learning. I had zero clue you were stalking . I thought I was hidden pretty well when I wasn’t doing gens. I saw you go into tier three then everyone started dying. 😅Zarathos said:Yup i think I was playing against you. The work is mostly in stalking. You need to evade micheal at all costs prevent him from hitting tier 3. Make him chase you around awkward corners it'll limit his stalking. If you can, make it so he hits tier 2 hard as late as possible. He moves as a slug since he gets movement speed penalty. If your the obsession hide. He'll either dying light you or is going to use you to get play with your food stacks.This killer changes the game in a huge way he doesn't play like any other killer when playing these builds. Stealth against myers is essential. His terror radius will probably be small as well so your eyes will be key to preventing him from tiering up. He needs almost 3 full ew worth of survivor to pull this off it takes a long ass time and will not work if survivors lose him and play stealthy and stay aware.
Your also not likely to pip its a meme build and you will most likely depip since your getting mori's and kills and not any hits or hooks
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HeroLives said:
We did all the gens I didn’t even know he was stalking. I was in his terror radius twice ,but no chase was active. I’ve never experienced this. I’ve had this game only a couple of months and this is the first time it’s happened in a game I was in. That’s why I asked. So he was just sneaking around stalking everyone then boom everyone dead. He went into ew3 once and stayed there. Omg wow. Impressive. I didn’t know you could just walk around and stalk them quickly murder like that. Like I’ve experienced the ew3 one shots but never this.MineAntoiya said:Tombstone and Tuft give you the ABILITY TO KILL WITH YOUR BARE HANDS, and INFINITE TIER 3. He spent the whole match STALKING YOU TO GET TIER 3. Please research before saying things like this, all you had to do was read the add-on descriptions. Bringing those two add-ons is more often than not a recipe for disaster as they both tremendously increase the amount it takes to get to Tier 3, and if I remember correctly Tombstone actually pushes Myers out of it meaning he needs to stalk a bit more. Honestly it's much better breaking every pallet then doing it one by one with normal tombstone and maybe on a Dying Light obsession first to buy more time.
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We did all the gens I didn’t even know he was stalking. I’ve never experienced this. I’ve had this game only a couple of months and this is the first time it’s happened in a game I was in. That’s why I asked. So he was just sneaking around stalking everyone then boom everyone dead. He went into ew3 once and stayed there. Omg wow. ImpressiveMineAntoiya said:Tombstone and Tuft give you the ABILITY TO KILL WITH YOUR BARE HANDS, and INFINITE TIER 3. He spent the whole match STALKING YOU TO GET TIER 3. Please research before saying things like this, all you had to do was read the add-on descriptions. Bringing those two add-ons is more often than not a recipe for disaster as they both tremendously increase the amount it takes to get to Tier 3, and if I remember correctly Tombstone actually pushes Myers out of it meaning he needs to stalk a bit more. Honestly it's much better breaking every pallet then doing it one by one with normal tombstone and maybe on a Dying Light obsession first to buy more time.
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I really like the idea of an animalistic killer having a power that had to have trees though would have a huge set back though on maps that don’t have them. I really like the idea though. Maybe instead of trees he could use a smell power that detects aura that you then can jump to by the props/objects on maps. IE trees , walls, boxes, stacked cars. That way he would be able to use his power on all maps. Or even just that without the smell aura readingBlueberry said:I was actually thinking a wolf man type killer with his ability to be jumping. He could climb trees and jump from one to the other. It would make survivors play completely differently. They’d be looking up instead of ahead. -
How about we let the ptb go live, have a mass of people play it and use these things. Then gather a large base of results then decide whether it needs a nerf or a buff.
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HeroLives said:
Not to be that person but I solo que. the more I play the more I realize WHY SURVIVORS SWF Bc it’s the only way to synchronize and not all get immediately murdered or having literally one to two people carry the team. Maybe if survivors had some perks that worked well for people like me who solo que, more people would solo que. Making perks that reflect information people want to know would make solo que more viable.Master said:
Such perks are a really bad idea since using voice comm is common with swfHeroLives said:does anyone else want a survivor that’s a survivalist with killer tracking skills. Someone whose perks would allow you to see killers footprints perk , allow them to camoflage for a brief time when(exhaustion) while in the killers terror radius perk, and scout an area while a survivor is hooked,(aura perk) allows the survivor to see the killers aura within a 10, 20, 30 meters of the hooked survivor basically reverse kindred only the person using it can see the killers aura if they are within the meters.
ya know supply and command it’s not rocket appliances Julian. I can see where you might foresee a downfall though, but not really since if they are using voice comms these perks would be trash to them anyways since they can easily relay that kind of information to each other Bc it’s two-four pair of eyes. Where I have one brain, one set of eyes. I’m in one spot on the map. Do you see my point? Or are you telling me that I should swf to be able to have access to that kind of information(since the perks I’m suggesting are things swf already discuss amongst each other).I know because I’ve tried it. I would prefer perks.
However if I’m missing why you think it would be bad Bc of voice comms. Would you please elaborate, so that I too can see the issue. I mean this all in the light of discussion and not an arguement.
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Not to be that person but I solo que. the more I play the more I realize WHY SURVIVORS SWF Bc it’s the only way to synchronize and not all get immediately murdered or having literally one to two people carry the team. Maybe if survivors had some perks that worked well for people like me who solo que more people would solo que. Making perks that reflect information people want to know would make solo que more viable.Master said:
Such perks are a really bad idea since using voice comm is common with swfHeroLives said:does anyone else want a survivor that’s a survivalist with killer tracking skills. Someone whose perks would allow you to see killers footprints perk , allow them to camoflage for a brief time when(exhaustion) while in the killers terror radius perk, and scout an area while a survivor is hooked,(aura perk) allows the survivor to see the killers aura within a 10, 20, 30 meters of the hooked survivor basically reverse kindred only the person using it can see the killers aura if they are within the meters. -
Yeah put all the dc killers and survivors together.
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Thanks man. I’ve been coming up with concepts for a map, killer , survivor. I was thinking like a cave map with catacombs and tunnels, the killer would be like smeagle from lord of the rings plus wrong turnish looks.Blueberry said:It’s actually an interesting idea if they were implemented properly without being overbearing.
The killer would have jump lung power similar to nurses blink , but instead of going through walls he could jump really far. The same speed though. Or maybe a built in sonar for a power. Long arms and legs. His basic attack would be a bite. I wanted his story line to incorporate where he was forced into cannabilism so it would be mirror to that.
im going for a killer that’s animalistic from being deserted in a cave. -
I hope it’s a nun for killer
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Seems like a fair trade. To be honost you would probably die anyways from the disease the “working girl “ gave you that he bought.deadwolfwalking said:@pauloandrade22 said:
@deadwolfwalking said:
seems to me that the virgins in horror movies always survive.... so i think its safe to say that the ppl who escape the killer in DBD are also virgins.... SWF, flashlights and DS? you're NEVER getting laid....ummmmmmm i dont use them and i am one. So what happens then?
well.... if you were in my lobby, i'd let you go. if you were my friend, i'd introduce you to a few girls.... but then afterwards, i'd kill you every time you were in my lobby.... lol....
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Mine was with a detective Tapp. It’s so beautiful, and rare I feel like. I’m glad someone else knows exactly what I’m talking about. Yo I’m on ps4 too! Add me TheHeroLives I need some friends to play kyf with for science.SovererignKing said:
I love when that happens. You just meet this other random and you two just “click”. You tea bag each other at the start, knock out a couple gens, then save everyone else asses. Did this yesterday with a Dwight. I even found a purple flashlight in a box, right before we left, I gave it to him (I don’t bring items, I just collect them and stockpile them as a hobby). Instant friend request on PSN lolHeroLives said:Orion said:@HeroLives said:
Does anyone else ever solo que and you sync perfectly with another player. You both stand at the exit gate before you run out and do the point gesture and they do it back repeatedly “like you, no you” Bc hell yeah the coordination.Nah, man. If the gates are open and I can leave, I do it. [BAD WORD] everyone else.
Lololol no dude I mean when you sync perfectly with another random the entire game with saves, gens, and causing a distraction to save the other two survivor the whole game. You just stand there and point at each other back and forth like “you” “no you” “no no you!” Bc you both realize you are going to make it out Bc of each other. Being all stars , ya know team work.
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For sure! It was no problem.Khalednazari said:
Thanks!HeroLives said:
Yes click their gamer tag and then search on their friends listKhalednazari said:I'm playing on PS4 though, is it possible to view others friendslists on PS4? -
Yes click their gamer tag and then search on their friends listKhalednazari said:I'm playing on PS4 though, is it possible to view others friendslists on PS4? -
Mine was with a detective Tapp. It’s so beautiful, and rare I feel like. I’m glad someone else knows exactly what I’m talking about. Yo I’m on ps4 too! Add me TheHeroLives I need some friends to play kyf with for science reasons.SovererignKing said:
I love when that happens. You just meet this other random and you two just “click”. You tea bag each other at the start, knock out a couple gens, then save everyone else asses. Did this yesterday with a Dwight. I even found a purple flashlight in a box, right before we left, I gave it to him (I don’t bring items, I just collect them and stockpile them as a hobby). Instant friend request on PSN lolHeroLives said:Orion said:@HeroLives said:
Does anyone else ever solo que and you sync perfectly with another player. You both stand at the exit gate before you run out and do the point gesture and they do it back repeatedly “like you, no you” Bc hell yeah the coordination.Nah, man. If the gates are open and I can leave, I do it. [BAD WORD] everyone else.
Lololol no dude I mean when you sync perfectly with another random the entire game with saves, gens, and causing a distraction to save the other two survivor the whole game. You just stand there and point at each other back and forth like “you” “no you” “no no you!” Bc you both realize you are going to make it out Bc of each other. Being all stars , ya know team work.
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Orion said:
@HeroLives said:
Does anyone else ever solo que and you sync perfectly with another player. You both stand at the exit gate before you run out and do the point gesture and they do it back repeatedly “like you, no you” Bc hell yeah the coordination.Nah, man. If the gates are open and I can leave, I do it. [BAD WORD] everyone else.
Lololol no dude I mean when you sync perfectly with another random the entire game with saves, gens, and causing a distraction to save the other two survivor the whole game. You just stand there and point at each other back and forth like “you” “no you” “no no you!” Bc you both realize you are going to make it out Bc of each other. Being all stars , ya know team work.