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@SinfulHarlot said:
@Endstille So you're mad that you gave them the benefit of the doubt and are now looking to increase their profits?
I'd hate to say this but most people aren't "supporting" them the way you do. Have you seen the amount of comments that complain about X or Z not being on the shrine. People wait months to avoid paying for 5 dollar dlc. All I'm saying is if a battlepass is what it takes for the game to remain a constant, who cares? They're cosmetics.
No. I understood the thread starter as exaggerated critique which I can understand. But I doubt that he is mad at least i am not mad about it. After all it is their decision. I just made a joke cause it made me giggle.
I supported them in the past and there was no doubt about it. But these achives seem like something fitting for f2p games and not games where you already pay for the content. So for me i have doubts about supporting that in the future cause I do not know how far they gonna dive into those f2p business stuff. I just really dislike these models because they tend to be tedious and I do not think that bhvr needs to do stuff like that.
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@SinfulHarlot said:
@Endstille You have to keep in mine that this is a 3 year old game. It has continued to update through the years. That initial money ran out quite some time ago. If you want to continue playing multiplayer games years after their release, you're gonna have to come to terms with it becoming a service.
I keep that in mind, no worries but I disagree.
Also I am in no mood to give lecture in financial investments. I want to support the devs that is why I did buy all the dlc so far and have gifted those in the past to friends who wanted to have some or did miss one or two in their collection. I buy skins that I like.
But to me this leaves a sour taste in my mouth. I assume that when achives go live, they have an estimate as to when the majority of active players will be done with it. So those 1k AC will be invested into a new skin releasing shortly around that time so next month another 10 is going into it. Shards used to be a thing to get skins but less and less is made even available for those.
The updates and new content is paid if i am not mistaken? People buy DLC, it is not gifted by bhvr which I do not ask them to do.
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@SinfulHarlot said:
@Endstille Why are you so negative about something that takes nothing away from you and that you can ignore? It's not like this was done in place of balance changes. If anything, it was done to extend the longevity of the game.
Well because I think it is very consumer unfriendly, it deludes people into thinking that they get their money back when all they get is virtual currency with no value outside of that game.
I find this business model fine in games that are free to play, given the fact that this game costs around 20€ with additional dlc which cost 113.82€ is troublesome to say the least.
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I am just as glad as you are! Wait for the emotes, maybe we can get a chatwheel like from dota too? You know like when you down someone or they miss an attack on you, you can quickly blast their ears with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQeezCdF4mk
or maybe even have a spray saying "loser!" in big capital letters? Anyway you get the idea!
Screw bugfixing, map reworks and all that stuff nobody needs!
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@2Khours said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/746834#Comment_746834
ik you don't get your money into your bank account, but you get it back to spend it on more skins, you get 70 items and you can buy more items with what you got back
It is okay i just feel the need to point it out as any ingame currency that you can obtain via real money has only the purpose to make you forget about the money. I hate this anti-consumer #########.
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LoL you dont get your money back, you get ac.
Try payin whatever with that.
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None of the skins from the pass look like they are worth any money tbh.
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@UlvenDagoth said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/746704#Comment_746704
Yes! Because with 4 instaheals you could heal 12 stages of health! Also, You could just run in and BOOP your friend back to life, resetting a whole chase WHILE THE KILLER WAS WIPING HIS WEAPON!
So yes, it was a big deal!
Also the buff to medkits makes me happy as a Killer! Maybe now people will HEAL instead of relying on Adren and just PUMPING GENS!
Also, it's not an instaheal cause it still makes them have to waste time mending IF you let them go!
Like I have asked before, please keep the topic civil.
Oh no not mending!
I get flashbacks from me working on a gen while legion chases some other survivor and totally ignoring the status applied to me.
Exposed? nope, bubba? nope. billy? nope. It still resets the chase.
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@UlvenDagoth said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/746680#Comment_746680
I think it will get better when you get more used to it. Remember, all of this is on both sides. Insta heals were taken out too.
You honestly compare the change of 2 addons (one being a buff) to changing the complete mechanics of a killer? Those map reworks will be done in some years.
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Yes make a safespace bubble where everybody is happy.
I don't care if it is a bad killer, bad survivors who dc. They don't wanna play? Fine you dont have to, to afk or to suicide on hook = griefing. In other games nobody gives a damn what happens to people that dc.
I think it is an utterly bad idea to start to balance around what some kids think is okay to play against. This is just the problem of this community, entitlement.
I suggest we mark people who disconnect. So everybody that is in the lobby can see that person x has a tendendy to disconnect so they can leave or stay. Survivors should get notified about killer who dc as well.
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@Get_Yoshimaster said:
I really dislike that they made a battlepass in a game you already bought + several dlc + cosmetics ( auric cells ), battlepass are acceptable in f2p game not in regular game, I'll not buy this and I'm disappointed with theses choices
Don't forget they like to push out content where everybody tells them don't do it and they do it anyway. No thoughts given that it is unhealthy to the game and they do not care for months after enough people purchased it, they balance it. So anti-consumer and now this.
Honestly BHVR needs to take a look at Dota2, CS:GO etc... this is so greedy while not even bothering to fix broken stuff that is just like that.
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Utterly boring to play against.
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Well because bhvr did market it as a rework of her add ons and instead did something else. People have been playing that Killer for a longtime by now.
"hey you know so we have Fatigue so you don't spam blinks and your power is on a cd but we decided to add another cd so you can't spam blinks!". #########?
Than These utterly uncreative addons like go teleport back to where you came from, yeah cause what Nurse does want that? Undetectable on a Killer that shrieks everytime he does something, ######### yeah. Make survivors scream when you blink past them.. like dude utterly pointless and bad not even creative. Pay bp so you can equip an addon that makes you loopable, literally every Nurse wet Dream.
They tweak a Little bit around Change common to Ultra rare, which probably every Nurse main will have hundreds anyway. So yeah clap clap smart Things and pretend they did a good Job.
All they had to do was fix the broken add on but they go full yolo. As Always not giving a damn About balance, nor the fact that red ranks will again suffer from that because that is where variety will be less and Lobby dodging even more. With ofc less fun games but boring af ones against even more tryhard toxic Spirits. Neglecting the fact that People voted to dislike spirit the most and not Nurse.
Why is it hypocritical to say "but wait dude try it out, give it a Chance"?
Cause the very same survivors that cry "no counterplay" have no clue and didn't bother to Play Nurse until r1 and stay there without add ons. Otherwise they would know at least how to Play against it and not go down in chases so darn quickly. These People who didnt put in the effort, cried, got what they wanted and demand of other People to make it work.
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@AokiiSenpaii said:
Can you all please just wait until the PTB before you start going after the Devs? You haven't even laid your hands on the Nurse. You don't know how her new kit will work out! She is still gonna be viable! In all consideration, she can STILL teleport. So how big of a Nurse can it be?
To be fair I am a Survivor main and asked for the Nurse to be nerfed just as many other people. Not because I am but, but simply because there has to be more counterplay to the Nurse then 'Getting out of sight'. A good Nurse will still catch you if you are out of her sight.
Oh and... To everyone saying the Devs are Killer sided... You guys still have things that let you complete certain Tasks instantly. Spirit Fury for immediately destroying a pallet. NOED or Haunted Grounds or Devour Hope for Instant Downs. Etc. Etc. Etc. We can't even instantly heal anymore after the PTB. ;)
You know that is exactly the Problem, you Play one side and don't bother to actually understand your Problem. If you only had taken the time to Play addonless Nurse you would be able to see what is causing Problems for a Nurse but no sit back and cry for nerf.
There is more to counterplay than to get out of her sight but why explain it to you? You cried and you got your nerf.
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Truth to be told base kit Nurse Right now is fine as is. Only the addons made her unfair. Survivors who Claim that basekit Nurse doesn't have counterplay or neeeded more counterplay do not belong in red ranks at all. You should go Play Nurse without add ons and see for yourself how to juke and how to handle her.
It is sad that you bad survivors literally take away fun and intense Matches for skilled People. Keep crying, the waiting times will increase even more. Thanks for that at some Point one has to move on to a diffrent game.
Gotta love it, thinkin boosted Boys are good and as soon as they are required to do anything they cry "no counterplay" cause they have no clue About the Killer and how to Play.
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@ad19970 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/742987#Comment_742987
No I am not red ranks survivor. So I don't even really go against the best Nurse players anyways. I still think this is a good change. She will still be powerful, but now survivors will have a bit more counterplay against Nurse. Has nothing to do with learning how to go against a Nurse.
You could say the same thing about the new Nurse though. People aren't even willing to try her after the nerf and learn her before coming to the conclusion that she will now be terrible.
I think without add ons Nurse is fine as is.
Sorry Nurse can be handled that way and makes for fun and good Matches and it has to do with how to Play, don't get me wrong it is obviously more demanding of a Survivor but at the same time more rewarding and fun to me.
Ripping away her mobility isn't a good move at all, the Killer will feel completely diffrent and I doubt that People are willing to learn their beloved main anew.
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@Mew said:
Balance doesnt equal fun, and thats what most people have a problem with- they aren’t fun to go against.
Nurse is fun to go against, addon less it is really funny game and intense. I see you enjoy to bully bubba/clown/doctor/wraith and want ez wins. Literally go Play Nurse and you will see that addonless is totally fair, if you die 100% vs Nurse base kit that is on you.
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@Mochan said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/743578#Comment_743578
The converse is also true.
When a killer plays optimally, survivors need to play optimally or they all die.
Can we please stop with this Killer Victim mentality.
That is where you are wrong tho.
Survivors can make mistakes and still live.
@Omans said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/743663#Comment_743663
No point arguing with someone like you. Imagine thinking you are skilled, while having no understanding of game mechanics...I'll keep this short.
1) Don't play meme builds and expect to win against try-hard survivors. Isn't that common sense...?
2) It's cute that you challenge me AFTER I mention that I play on the Asian servers.
3) I said a SKILLED nurse removes basically all counterplay. You wouldn't know about that, though. Please don't try listing all the counterplay that works on bad nurses. Actual good players have tried and tested everything. Are you going to tell me to break line of sight and turn back? Yeah, okay, how do you think I ran that nurse forever for? Try doing that against good nurses who don't fall for your novice tricks.
4) 'Stream daddy.' That's cute. Did you know it is possible for a streamer and a viewer to share the same opinion without one being called a sheep? Or should I call you a hypocrit for basically parroting tru3talent? Is he your stream daddy?
5) Of course hours don't matter if you don't have the skills to back it up. Keep misinterpreting everything. It's amusing.
6) I can't help but imagine that 3v1 game you keep mentioning. I bet you three were super impressed with yourselves after playing as sweaty as possible, meanwhile on that guy's stream he probably was like "okay, I'll try next game. No point trying in a game with a disconnect". Did you know many killers stop try-harding after a disconnect?
7) He proved he can win basically 100 percent of his games against skilled survivors and SWF teams try-harding to beat him. If you can't comprehend how that stems from the basekit allowing her addons to have such extreme power, you can't be reasoned with.
8) Literally all of your questions were rhetorical. You want me to answer this? "Koreans also eat fish that is yet Living so what?" Why...? You didn't ask a coherent question. Don't expect answers if you ask like that..
I'd prefer if you don't respond. Nothing you say will convince me. All the best players I know agree with me about this change. The devs obviously agree. Players with skill and knowledge in this game agree. Why would I ever listen to you? Keep bullying noob killers with your cute 3-man. I assume you blame the random 4th player every time you go up against a competent killer and lose?
You are so bad.
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Where did I state I do expect to win with meme builds? I told you that meme builds are why you can get bullied as Killer. You said being bullied only happens to bad Killers which is not true. You simply have no clue what you talk About and thus make assumptions and Keep Posting without thinking first.
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I don't care where you Play, every good and decent Player out there were fine with the way base Nurse was. I challenged other People before you came along.
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Nope you came in stating it is a great day for balance since Nurse has no counter Play at all. People who state something like that are boosted and bad. Because you don't know how to Keep alive in a chase vs a good Nurse and go down within 2 blinks. You are the Kind of Player that i throw out of my SWF Group cause you are bad. I specificly stated the Basics on how to actually Play against no running back was mentioned nor running at the Nurse but this just how you argue. You are unable to comrpehend what was written and make up another Statement in your head and argue About that. clap clap sick strawman
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Nope thanks I rely on my own Plays and experience because I think that streamers are just that streamers. They are Entertainers and do what they do to entertain and not to be some Kind of switzerland advocating for good balance and want to earn Money at the end of the day.
So I asked you Questions About your streamer which you refused to answer. Was it the guy that played Nurse with broken add ons? To proof that Nurse is broken? Well i think to proof Nurse is broken he would have to do the Experiment again with no add ons equipped. He literally just proofed that Nurse add ons were broken, congratz. Literally nobody argued that they are not busted. The community asked bhvr to Change those and they went full yolo.
He didnt proof anything, equipping 3 blinks + range addons. LUL that is your proof omfg.,
5) Yes because that is how you try to impress People. You come into the discussion "GREAT DAY FOR BALANCE NURSE THE KILLER WITH NO COUNTERPLAY FINALLY NERFED" 2-3 Posts later you ask why I think that you have Trouble vs base Nurse. You tell anecdotes to impress People like why did you even Mention your Hours? Mh come on Buddy tell me, why Mention that you have more than 2k hrs in the game other than to try to impress me and others when in reality Hours do no matter at all. Your stories they do not end up, now in this post you say yes Hours do no matter, so why Mention them in the first place?
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Yeah we watched the video afterwards and no he didnt. At least i have proof of what I am capable of. And I have other Videos backing up what we do and did. What About you? How is that this legend of Player didn't beat any streamer ? Nothing to back you up but stories on top of stories. Such a joke.
Also on top of that you are grasping for straws. Rly that is all you have? He probably didnt try after one got dc. LOL
You on the other Hand try to impress with a Story About some bad Nurse which you did make chase for 5 gens. Tell me which Killer does stay on one target for 5gens?
So either the Killer was super bad or he didnt try. I dont care which it is. Yet for you was the only conclusion "that guy is superbad why he in my game dog?". Where I already gave you answers to that. Which you could also not imagine because you are super arrogant and have such small minded view.
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He proofed her add ons are busted Nothing more and Nothing less. As far as I remember from that stream he Always equipped at least an additional blink + range. That really did only proof that the add ons are broken and Nothing else.
Come on challenge him to do the same without addons. I bet you that the results are diffrent. This time have survivors actually equip instaheals, toolboxes and even map offerings. He will not have same results, far from it. Go on make it but you are a sheep you do not care for balance that is why you defend that Experiment..
It is actually very funny isn't it? You talk About korean Players and how they do not want to use Nurse and when they make their Experiment to proof exactly that they Play Nurse in the most broken state possible. LOL You can not beat that logic.
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Nope try again.
I asked you About the streamer and several other Questions, I will not repeat because you are unable to read. Try again.
Honestly dude you kinda hit rock Bottom now. So let me repeat in order to back you up you first Mention a streamer with a totally flawed Experiment, than you want to back you up with the amount of Hours that you needed to get to red ranks and now you are at " i know People and they are top Players who agree with me!!!" Everbody else just bad mkay? You know you remind me and probably all other Players of a spoiled Little Kids that when losing an Argument Claim their parents work for nintendo or Valve and Blizzard xD
Dude sorry all you have are bad Insults, you have no Points and while you Keep Posting you only bring up thought-terminating cliché. Either People agree with you or they are bad. Edgar as far as I remember is fine with base Nurse and lots of other People are too scottjund being one of them iirc.
Back any of your Points up, go ahead and make a Point that you are able to back up. I will wait, i doubt anything Comes from boosted stuff like you.
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@Aven_Fallen said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/744026#Comment_744026
Add Ons exist for the reason to use them. It is bizarre to think it is ok to have a Killer who does neither need Add Ons nor Perks. How can you balance around that when one Killer does not need this stuff, but others highly depend on using Add Ons?
I doubt that Nurse will be in a state that you have to use certain Add Ons to make her work (like you have to do with Killers like Trapper(Bags) or Wraith(Windstorm/Swift Hunt Combo)), but that different Add Ons give her some different options during the game(like Freddy).
And well, I hope for all Killers to be at roughly the same Level. This is not possible with current Nurse. Maybe it is now better to balance the game, when there is not that one Killer, which has outdated design and breaks the game.
Yes cause 4man SWF with OoO is fine. Meanwhile you can Play Survivor ez Pz without perks. What does that tell you About balance? Breaks all game mechanics? Yeah only for boosted survivors.
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@Omans said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/743578#Comment_743578
Yikes. A whole lot of incoherent rambling. These changes have got you pretty rattled, eh?
Say what you want, I can say with 100 percent certainty you're not as good as you think, and you are basing your idea of balance off of that delusion. I have over 2000 hours in the game, never not at rank 1, and I have never felt this helpless feeling while playing as killer that you claim to feel.
When did I say I can't play against basekit nurse? When did I say I don't play nurse. The fact is, I bully players like you all the time, because they are boosted beyond belief by this broken ranked system, led to believe they are actually good. I often see nurses in red ranks who absolutely do not belong there. Just yesterday I led one of these nurses along for 5 gens. A rank 1 nurse. Why is that player in my game? When I saw all this crying today I thought of that player - someone told they are good because they got nurse to rank 1, when they actually should be purple or green. If the player is just decent or just good, they don't have a chance if they chase me. That includes nurses. When the player is skilled, and plays nurse, that is when counterplay starts to go out the window.
I have played plenty of nurse. I don't anymore. It was too boring getting win after win after win. Nurses who are skilled feel the same way. Players who are still learning tend to think she is fine. So...keep practicing, I guess.
And try to learn what bullying means..
@Omans said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/743578#Comment_743578
Yikes. A whole lot of incoherent rambling. These changes have got you pretty rattled, eh?
Say what you want, I can say with 100 percent certainty you're not as good as you think, and you are basing your idea of balance off of that delusion. I have over 2000 hours in the game, never not at rank 1, and I have never felt this helpless feeling while playing as killer that you claim to feel.
When did I say I can't play against basekit nurse? When did I say I don't play nurse. The fact is, I bully players like you all the time, because they are boosted beyond belief by this broken ranked system, led to believe they are actually good. I often see nurses in red ranks who absolutely do not belong there. Just yesterday I led one of these nurses along for 5 gens. A rank 1 nurse. Why is that player in my game? When I saw all this crying today I thought of that player - someone told they are good because they got nurse to rank 1, when they actually should be purple or green. If the player is just decent or just good, they don't have a chance if they chase me. That includes nurses. When the player is skilled, and plays nurse, that is when counterplay starts to go out the window.
I have played plenty of nurse. I don't anymore. It was too boring getting win after win after win. Nurses who are skilled feel the same way. Players who are still learning tend to think she is fine. So...keep practicing, I guess.
And try to learn what bullying means..
What rambling? Where?
What helplessness? Where do I Claim to feel that? Cause I got bullied when playin a meme build like burger king Myers? Since you are so good, come i play you with my SWF. You play burger king Myers and i Show you how to be bullied ok? But you are probably a tryhard so you never play any meme builds at all.
You did say Nurse has no counterplay thus i have to assume that you are unable to play against it. You never played me and yet talk About how you bully me, sure Keep dreaming.
Sorry I diagree but it is nice to see your Argumentation, everybody that does not agree with what streamdaddy said is boosted and bad and doesnt understand anything. Sorry you are a joke. A bad one too. Did it not once occur to you, in your arrogant mindset, that the Player might not be a Nurse main? Rarely Plays Nurse and just did dailies on her? Have you seen Edgar play Nurse? It was horrible,, i think he practiced a bit since i saw him a year ago. Even Zubat knows there are bad nurses at rank 1 doing dailies or People just goofin around.
Nurses who are skilled feel probably bored by bad survivors, that is why i said and agree that nobody Needs Nurse to win at r1, well Maybe some People do. I feel the same About Nurse, but i do think that survivors Need to step up their game too. Lots of boosted survivors that play like potatoes. Making Nurse less viable will not improve skill of survivors nor will it make for good Variety. All they had to do was Change the addons.
Why didn't you answer a single Question? I think i struck a nerve with your stream Daddy, you have a head of your own. Use it.
PS: Never try to impress anyone with amount of Hours you have in the game. Every half decent Player knows that this doesn't matter. We all know that there are People with several thousands of Hours in the game that Play like garbage.
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@Regionlock said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/742865#Comment_742865
Marths depip squad was destroyed by a few nurse mains. This is a SWF all on comms with plenty of in-game experience, but still got smacked. Nurse was not fine and was seeing too often being used on none Swf groups with zero communication. Winning versus a Nurse with a bunch of random in solo queue was rare vs a competent Nurse. The nurse can make a ton of mistakes and was still fine in a majority of my matches in solo queue.
The killer was overturned. Time to come to grips, not every lobby is a 4 man swf.
I know.
Don't get me wrong i wanted Nurse to be nerfed as well but just the add ons. I think they overdid it on her. I play both at r1 and Nurse is more fun to me than spirit. In both playin as and playing against. The other Killers are so meh they will never recover from any mistakes made. I think most nurses are bad and need the add ons so toning those down to just have the base kit she has now would be fine.
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@Omans said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/743250#Comment_743250
I understand the argument fine. You don't understand what bullying a killer means or looks like, and you dont understand what balance should look like, obviously.
You are one of the people who claim only spirit and nurse are viable. And yes, that is true when you aren't a very skilled killer. I've seen plenty of those, even at rank 1. People don’t want to admit that if you get bullied (and the map wasn't something like haddonfield), the biggest reason is because you didn't play well.
Did you know that over here on the Asian servers the Korean players shy away from using nurse because she is too powerful? That the most popular Korean streamer never plays nurse more than once a day because he says she is broken? This player, the best nurse I've ever seen, believes nurse needed a change, and yet someone like you, who thinks that if a killer happens to lose a game it means he got bullied, someone who is only at rank 1 because playing nurse allows you to spend time there, claims to have any authority on the subject?
If you can't understand that her addons made her so unbelievably broken because her basekit allowed it, well, I guess you'll have trouble staying at rank 1 from now on..
Aw no you don't understand not even by a longshot.
No I am not one of those people. It is just that Killers when they do not play any of the top 3 they Need to play perfect against survivors that play optimal. I am sorry if you are unable to find 4 People to play optimal but that is just the case and is what makes this game so mindnumbing easy as Survivor. The handholding to bad survivors like you, who cry "no counterplay!" soon spirit will have no counterplay, billy afterwards and there will be another because all that bad survivors like you can do is run bad loops is being lazy and not improving and Escape with a key at best.
No I am no nurse main so spare me your assumptions, i have more than enough Killers to play at r1 due to the fact that most survivors are boosted and bad nowadays. I talk About when survivors do play optimal and Nothing else and know what they do.
Koreans also eat fish that is yet Living so what? Am I to be in awe because of what people do in Korea why should that matter to me so much? In order to play against something you have to understand how it is, how it functions and where the weakspots are. The people that can play the best against nurse are people that also play her and are actually good on her. Base Nurse has enough but since you do not play her, you dont know jack About it. So the streamer is doing the thinking for you? Is it that guy that did the Experiment to proof how op Nurse is when all he did manage to proof was how broken the add ons were? By that time everybody knew that already lol.
Let him do the same experiment, this week, just to see for comparison ok just without any add ons.
Uhm no I dont believe that a killer got bullied because he lost a game. Otz when he is getting bullied also swears on the channel (lol we managed to beat him 3 v 1 due to a disconnect no idea how you see that not as being bullied when he has more than half the game to kill at least one) zubat wrote he got #########.
Ofc it happens to people that they get bullied, not you ofc. Perfect Killer, perfect Survivor yet unable to play against base nurse. Cry more for nerfs with everything that gives you trouble and give yourself to the Illusion that you are good. You are just the same as bad Killer mains or survivors who can not deal with a single loss and expect balance to make up for their bad Plays.
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@Warlock_2020 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/742865#Comment_742865
Oh please, how many people play at his squad's level? A very small percentage are at that level. That is like calling for major Huntress nerfs based on Zubat's level of play. No.
Try again.
Yeah so far i have yet to see a Trapper in r1 that actually is threat, also you say you beat 4man SWF with Trapper. Yeah no Problem dude, i also lost Matches vs wraith because we clowned around and not every 4man SWF is the same.
Nobody says you can not win as x that was never the Point made. The original Argument however was that god nurses are too strong that is why we Need nerfs. How many god nurses do exist?
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@GrootDude said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/743445#Comment_743445
Nobody called legion op, I played old legion a lot and sure, they weren’t strong but they had no counter play in chase, MoM was changed because it has next to no counter play. That stuff was unhealthy for the game, that is why it was changed.
Also, Trapper is another main of mine and he ain’t broken. Doctor is next on the list for changes.
So the fact that add ons do repostion your traps is not broken? k.
Ofc lots of People called legion op, he was at r1 with Franklins etc.
Dont get me wrong he needed to be changed but the way they did it they gutted him. I dont mean why it was changed xD I mean why it was released that way in the first place, everybody told them that this is broken. Yet they did, People bought it and it was a cashgrab. They didnt bother that it was unhealthy for the game, they didnt care that it made already weak Killers even weaker.
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@GrootDude said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/743408#Comment_743408
The devs felt that nurse needed a change, not much more to it.
Oh that is probably how they felt About legion, shortly after releasing him. MoM do you remember that "scam"? Nobody could guess what the perk would lead to no no.
They caved into bad Players and that is it. They will do it over and over again. That is the reason why Trapper is broken, Clown is broken and doctor is broken and legion got broken. Just really really sad and they do not fix any of that crap.
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@Awakey said:
I think this is a step in the right direction. Her add-ons are now viable, and her basekit changes are very minor. We'll see how the PTB goes.
Pls.
The add ons are viable? :D Yeah which Nurse doesnt wish to teleport back to the Location she just blinked away from. Pay bp so you can be a loopable m1 Killer. Here have undetectable, since you scream every few seconds it will really be useful. Here make survivors scream when you blink past them. Maybe they can make an Ultra rare that makes them vomit if you blink in front of them :D Here have nurses calling for whatever Survivor is stupid enough to heal within TR.
Sorry the add ons were made by People who do not play Nurse and not against her. There are again a few viable combinations and the rest is useless, just like before and with Ultra rare attached on it. I am really disappointed to not see Status like deaf, blind and that Pop up.
Nothing changed in the add on category, they had one Job and did manage half of it with removing at least Omega and 3+ blinks.
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@GrootDude said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/743332#Comment_743332
How do you know that I don’t play her ever? How do you not see how this affects PS4 nurse mains?
I am sorry but Nurse on ps4 is the opposite of what it is on pc.
Why are there so few nurses on console mh? There is a thread explaining how it is already, i think due to Frame Drops and sensitivity limitations his words were it is already twice the work. On pc it is half the work so please it isn't the same and it is not comparable. So yeah you can say stuff like you dont Need Nurse to kill survivors.
So do you think Nurse on console was considered by bhvr? I doubt it.
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@GrootDude said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/743290#Comment_743290
Nurse is a playable character in dbd, people on every platform play Nurse, so everybody is affected by the nurse change.
You are not affected by it. You don't play the Killer, you dont play against it. So stop pretending like it is affecting you or the ps4 Players. Yes you get the changes but that will not Change that Nurse is a nonfactor on that platform and mostly non existent.
I mean how can you seriously act like you do not see this?
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@GrootDude said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/743162#Comment_743162
Pc ain’t the only place with good survivors.
Yeah so?
I didn't say that it is. Just that you are not affected by the Nurse changes at all or generally Players on another platform than pc. Don't act like ps4 Nurse is even remotely close to what she can do on pc.
So yeah i kinda do not get why you participate in the discussion since you did not have to deal with it in any Kind or way. So what Is the Point of those comments? I dont get it.
I was hopefull that bhvr would make Nurse a balanced Killer and not dumpster her and make red ranks even more boring. We suffer from Long loading waiting times already as SWF. Most Players that take on survivors who bring stuff are nurses.
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@Omans said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/743114#Comment_743114
Killers who get bullied do not belong in red ranks. Do you ever see the top killer streamers getting bullied? I'm the same. Rank 1 killer immediately after rank reset, never feel like I'm being bullied or that I have no chance if I don't use nurse. Sorry, but all these nurse players have gone so long thinking their broken killer was balanced. I must say it is a bit nice to see them knocked down a peg. I don't even play nurse anymore because it was too powerful.
It's funny you would assume I'm a low rank player though, when literally the only reason nurse needed this nerf is because the TOP players take away counterplay against the other TOP players.
I'm sure nurse is super fun to go against and play in green ranks, or wherever you are...
I am r1 both sides, thanks.
Yes i do see them getting bullied, People like otz get bullied (calm down, not often but it happens). Also happens to zubat rarely but it does. Have done it even myself with a random dc midgame so that was 3 vs him and we still beat him (otz not zubat he is canada i think and not EU).
It is like you are not able to even understand the Argument, nobody said they dont have a Chance when they do not use Nurse but it must be great to make-up some Argument and debate that one i guess. Nurse is a viable Killer and one less viable Killer means less Variety so thanks for even more boring red ranks.
Please spare me your opinion that you try to state as if it were a fact because it isn't. You come here and say Nurse has no counterplay, which is wrong, partialy, Nurse actually requires all survivors to work as a Team and requires lots of individual skill. Constant Breaking from LoS, keeping your eye on Nurse so you have to Focus on her while watching your step and in Addition to that you have to mindgame her(baiting blinks) oh and i forgot to add that you also have to have good movement so 360 , moonwalking gotta bring it all.
That is lots to do true but at least that is intense.
You : No counterplay!!1111
That is ofc vs a base kit without add ons.
What I said was your Argument About Killers just reversed. i am sure you are red rank Survivor just that you do not belong there.
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@GrootDude said:
You don’t need spirit or nurse to kill survivors
Please come to pc i want to bully you. No idea why you comment on the issue at Hand. Dont get me wrong but this has no effect on you so why?
@Todgeweiht said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/743123#Comment_743123
This, you have plenty of reliable killers to play as but you stick to the holy meta trinity (nurse, billy, spirit), choosing to play as these 3 killers is the reason why rank 1 is so monotonous in the first place.
No you actually don't.
Rank 1 is monotonous due to a meta that bhvr only made worse with this and it will even have less Variety now.
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@Ihatelife said:
Yeah... at least she wasn't destroyed like Legion.
They took away her mobility that is death.
No worries we might see more outcry from bad survivors on the ptb, they might not even be done yet.
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@Omans said:
I guess all those skilled nurse players (definitely not all the ones crying in these threads) in red ranks who played addon-less and still absolutely crushed the majority of the survivors they went against will have to think about actually using addons now. Oh no, what a tragedy.
It's impossible to gauge how big of a change this will be until the PTB, but giving nurse counterplay will only help the health of this game. This is a sign that the devs are going in the right direction. If they do a major map rehaul next, the game will be as balanced as it has ever been.
This is a good day for balance. This is not a good day for whiny nurse players who think they should be able to perform against the best survivors when they themselves aren't very good. (my first impression is that nurse will still be top, just not by a country mile anymore).
You are funny, you speak of balance yet one can bully the hell out of Killers until red ranks. Even there you can bully lots of Killers and they do not realize that they have been outplayed and dc and the Exit gates.
Nurse already has counter play.
What you meant to say was this is a good day for bad survivors who cry and do not improve and can not imrpove and thus they ruin the game for everyone be it Killer or Survivor who actually like skill in this game but since you are one of those who say Nurse has no counterplay i know where you skill lvl is at.
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She will get her nerfs dont worry.
It is just that survivors will be even more mad because there will be hardly any lobbies to find which is already the case even on Weekends.
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@OkKiLLer said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/743044#Comment_743044
Well I don’t even play on PC so I can’t take you up on that offer and I don’t understand what your talking about I bet that any red rank nurse even without add ons would probably destroy your little SWF group. Your acting like it’s a bad thing that the most unfair killer got slightly nerfed.
I am not acting that is my honest opinion.
I think the add on changes are justified but not the base kit of her. Sorry i like intense games and Nurse offers that. The game is getting more and more About handholding People that are unwilling to improve because they just accept some opinion of someone and give up or dc. With that you do not get good. I dont like how the next Season will look with even one less other Killer in red ranks.
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@Tucking_Friggered said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/742890#Comment_742890
Killers are going to get the last laugh. Most of the people willing to play SWF or groups that even look partially prepared are nurse mains. Once that option goes bye-bye the dodging will continue until moral improves.
I agree they will have the last laugh but because BHVR will ruin the matchmaking completely. Even now on Weekends i have waiting times up to 10minutes just to bully some Purple Killer. So after Nurse it is spirit. And then?
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@OkKiLLer said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/743024#Comment_743024
No one knows why she was Nerfed uh how about the fact that she can ignore every defense mechanic that survivors have she can teleport through walls and has the best map pressure in the game. Yeah still not sure why she was nerfed.
are you rank 1 pc? lets Play at the week end with my SWF you dont use add ons lets see what you got.
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@PalletOrWhat said:
I see people getting upset about DC's here all the time. The Dev's wouldn't do anything about it etc.
But what are they supposed to do? You can't force people to play against ######### they don't want to play against. If they can't DC anymore they'll kill themselves on the first hook. If they can't kill themselves on the first hook they will just go afk. What does a really good solution look like?
I will make this Pretty simple.
In any other game when you disconnect from ranked Matches you get a cd which increases the more you do it. In dota you get send into your own Special private hell to Play with dc People just like you and you have to win x Matches to Play again with normal People.
They dont want to Play against x? Well they have to, you dc, you get cd. You ######### on hook? This equals to griefing, you get cd. You go afk? Well same you get cd. Either Play or dont but stop ruining the games of other People.
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@Tzeentchling9 said:
I'm half hoping it's a nerf to insta heals so we get another round of the forum exploding.
Prepare for the worst no more rare insta heal just Ultra rare :(
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It is the same as before, a couple of viable Options and the rest is pointless (only Talking About add ons ofc).
A rework from People that do not Play the Killer or against it.
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@ad19970 said:
She's barely slower than survivors though during the last 3.5 seconds. It just gives survivor the opportunity to break LOS, the only counterplay they have against Nurse.
I could see them decreasing the cooldown of a blink to 2.5 seconds, I think that would be fine as well. Anything beyond that though I don't think would be good. Survivors having a bit more counterplay against Nurse is a great thing.
Yeah no that is not true. LoS is part of juking a Nurse that is correct but it is also About mindgaming her into bad blinks.
Teamwork is where it is at against a Nurse and individual skill. I know the Horror for most survivors today.
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@ad19970 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/742886#Comment_742886
Lol. What a genius move of that guy. Still, I believe there are many people with killer at red ranks who believe killers are fine in general. But I don't know for sure. Of course pretty much everyone agrees that low tier killers like Clown or Wraith need buffs.
And we should also keep in mind that map reworks are coming, and even if they come with more juking and stealth options for survivors, loops giving killers more counterplay during chases will be a nice buff especially to weaker killers.
Of course I hope they'll increase the rate at which they rework maps. Pretty sure this patch is supposed to have map reworks according to the road map, I can just hope it's more than just one map this time that is being changed.
Yes faith is great, unfortunately tho faith has no room in this. You say yourself you have been a red rank killer? When? Old ranking System Maybe? ;)
Are you a red rank survivor too? I am displeased that they handhold bad survivors who are too lazy to learn how to play. I enjoy playing vs a Nurse. Spirit is where it is lame af, it is boring to play as and against. Now I will have even more of that. Great. Not boring at all. I already have trouble finding lobbies as Survivor in red ranks and These People cheer when they remove a viable killer from red ranks. I dont Need a ptb to see what those changes do to the killer.
Do you speak russian?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7bNkC7eLCoSo you learn how to play vs nurse.
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@TLP_Legion said:
These are the same devs who tried to implement flashlight and pallet stuns in the pickup animation. Everyone remember that?
Do you actually think they thought this out?
I have no doubt!
Dude they all Play against red rank SWF all the time otherwise i couldn't make reds rage quit… oh wait. No they probably dont. That is why this game loses all the fun it has. They appease People that are bad and have a double Standard when it Comes to balance.
Killers?? We have to take a serious look at red ranks.
Survivors??? Well what About my casual Friends in rank 20?
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@GrootDude said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/742865#Comment_742865
The rest of his squad quit so that isn’t possible.
How about we get another squad going?
Meanwhile you fire up your pc and get dbd Ready to Show us where it is at, i mean as ps4 user dont take it wrong but you are not affected by this talk About Nurse at all since she was no concern on ps4 anyway in red ranks Right?
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Wait and try it out!
If you are not content we still don't care cause we appease the ones that cry the most. How does it feel to be outnumbered?
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@arslaN said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/742267#Comment_742267
I never saw any survivors not wanting buffs to weak killers. Of course there are the occasional survivors who just wants to bully killers. I don't think anyone will seriously think that buffing weak killers will be a bad thing.
Are you playing on consoles? I really don't think that nurse is hard to learn on pc
Yes.
I totally see survivors saying legion Needs to be fixed, so does Clown, Leatherface and Doc. Oh wait they don't care. They don't want to learn how to Play, survivors nowadays are just bad.
There is not a single english Video on how to juke a Nurse. Not because you can not but because this community is About who cries the most, gotta feel good that there are just most survivors.
@Warlock_2020 said:
Yep, and destroying MoM will end the survivor ranks. Serious over reaction. Nurse changes are mostly reasonable. Nurse was easy mode before and a crutch for killers with no imagination. I always here how she is the only way to compete with the 4 man SWF, yet I've done it with Trapper at red ranks. Win some, lose some. I've seen very good Huntresses and Freddy's own those groups. Granted, Pig and Doc likely won't fair well.
Enough crying already. Wait and see first.
How About you call marth and say you are Ready to destroy him and his Squad with Trapper and other m1s?