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@Lost_in_the_Fog said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/752956#Comment_752956
Just because you own a business and "several living places" doesn't make you an expert on every industry. I'm willing to bet your industry has certain business practices that you fall in line with because that's how business is done.
It's so tiring to hear everyone vilifying BHVR for keeping pace with the practices of their industry. It's not like they're the ones that invented this model of revenue streams. The reason they're doing it is because the market supports it. If it's not popular and people don't buy it they're not going to continues the battle pass model. If you don't want to support it then don't buy it. But stop trying to act like you have some moral high ground here.
You would lose that bet as that is what i am most proud of, treating my customers Right and that is what they do appreciate.
You want an example? CDPR.
Showed all the other triple AAA the finger with how they handled DLC, showed everybody you can make those games without any microtransactions. They don't stop when it Comes to their games but also their platform.
Sure i am not an expert on everything, but to act like f2p mechanics are inevitable because it is possible to do them is outright a lie.
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Like what is solo queuing?
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@Toxicity23 said:
- After hitting and downing a Marked survivor, HALF of Ghostface's "Night Shroud" is instantly recharged.
Rewards Ghostface for prioritizing stealth.
Assists Ghostface in getting his power back more easily.
I can tell you already:
"no counterplay"
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@THEghostface said:
Survivors really shouldn't tbag at gates after they needed another survivor just then to use a syringe on them so they can get away. Glad instaheals are nerfed.
Just don't pay attention to it, don't be mad About. I assume you Play mostly ghostface? Tbag with them instead. You know they are a bunch of Plebs when they tbag at the Exit gates, everybody can do that as Nothing can happen anymore.
good survivors will throw a pallet in your face, tbag while there is at least some Risk left
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@YaiPa said:
You'll never learn the game if you play stealth, plus is boring for me and the killer.
this
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They require Money? Oh no!
Thanks for the info, i think your Knowledge is quite limited. Not only do i have a Little bit over 100 employes in my Company but i also value share- / Stakeholder equally. I do not only run a Company that generates profit via enhancing lifequality of People that have disabilities. But there is much more to getting Revenue and making profits than only offering your products/Services on the market. I don't know if you figured that out yet but there are just so many possibilites what you can do with the money such as buyin shares of other companies, you know the good ones?
But enough of that, thanks for your enlightening insight about economics and Business. BHVR is close to about 600 employees so if you think you Need to buy a rift pass because that is some small indie company, you are wrong. In 2008 they made close to 30 Million in Profit, they have around 200million players on mobile.
Should a company do everything for Money? Absolutely not and that is why i am so concerned about f2p in paid games. On a sidenote, i have several living places and not all in just one country.
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Love this guy, 23min Video, not a single critical thought.
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@Lost_in_the_Fog said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/752581#Comment_752581
Because some people understand that continuing to financially support a game they love us the only way to guarantee it stays alive in the longer term. It's really not that hard of a question to answer once you understand economics/capitalism.
Enlighten me, i can't wait
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Bad Players demand nerfs on everything and suck the fun out of the game. It isn't even fun to bully Killers cause it is too easy.
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@Killmaster said:
Speed Limiter now counts as an Instadown and standard chainsaw is only used for mobility and getting a lucky hit, now that instaheals are going byebye it's time for instadowns to receive the same treatment.
Maybe you just use the portable septic? Too hard for you?
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@Nekoo said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/752269#Comment_752269
BHVR can definitely do something about it,
starting from giving dc penalty.
It is simply unfair for us to not rank up because survivors doesn't accept their defeat
Sure they can but will they? It is rather likely they will nerf spirit as well due to People being deaf and half blind. There is a thread on the Forums where somebody suggests to appease the People who dc, he Fails to realize that they will simply replace spirit with the next best Thing that annoys them.
However you are Right it is unfair to dc.
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Who stares at the screen while waiting anyway?
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Rank has some meaning just not as much as in most games. I think it is to make everybody feel good honestly so every potato can get r1 and think they are good.
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I like how you Keep spamming that, those 4 potatoes are simply not good survivors. You can spam this Video as much as you want but damn they are so horrible. No Video of true this time where one Person kills himself on the first hook after 2min into the game and another is so bad he doesn't even know how to throw pallets correclty?
I think what most of you totally ignore is the fact that Nurse reappears way sooner than before and that also makes it so much easier to juke her. Sorry survivors being bad doesn't justify nerfs.
It really annoys the hell out of me that you People try to abuse balance discussion for easy wins. it simply takes the fun out of the game from a Survivor Point of View. I want to have at least some Kind of challenge. Keep base Nurse as is.
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Deal with it, These are the boosted potatoes that cried for nursebasekit nerf, they are toxic when they Encounter anything else and wonder why there are no other Killers to be seen.
When they get the deserved loss, they cry for nerfs cause no counterplay.
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It was a mod for CoD4, competitive use until some People made dedicated Servers with it. That was the way to Play cod in clanbase iirc, Pam was used for esl, eas and the pro series ofc. Good old times :>
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Depends how it is done, gore & Horror easily cross the line to Comedy where it just doesn't feel Right.
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ProMod only way to Play CoD or Pam
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Diffrent dimension doesn't equate to diffrent universe
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Personally i bought spirit and clown.
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@NMCKE said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/750734#Comment_750734
I agree, but what's the point in wasting time against a generator grab spirit with Ebony Mori?
While I do not advocate DCing, I do sympathize because they were going to lose anyways.
Before BNP got reworked, killers were DCing against SWF who popped 4 generators within the first 30 seconds of the game.
Again, I don't advocate DCing, but I can honestly understand why because those killers were going to lose the game.
I feel like if these things were changed, DCing would be heavy reduced (not stopped completely).
The thing with that is, you can only fail if you so not try. Just yesterday did tbag to a beads spirit who wanted to mori my ass, ofc at the exit.
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Sorry potato survivors have to accept that when they lose vs a basenurse without addons that the player was simply better or that they made mistakes.
Killing potatoes is not a proof of something being broken.
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No.
It simply is not okay.
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@[Deleted User] said:
A lot people here are 14 and have no idea how business actually works. They want dedicated servers, balance, map reworks, etc., all done faster with money derived from thin air
Like who? Explain to me how business actually works, i just own a company with a little bit over 100 employees and am also shareholder in various companies.
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######### did I just read?
CoD f2p, GTA f2p.
Go use google and get some info what free2play means.
DOTA is no grind at all, you have 100% of the content from the get go. You can buy skins and that is it.
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@Hex_Stalk said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/746525#Comment_746525
Is it REALLY that big of a difference?
It probably ain't, I don't really know because she seemed too easy for me, no challenge or strategy required. Never bothered playing as her.
See this is the problem right there.
You are one of those who don't play, who don't test and you are probably not an optimal survivor either.
The changes erase mindgames from her which is just sad.
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I think DW timer needs to run out regardless if you are in TR or not. Right now you get hit with FF and I couldn't care less about it.
If he chases somebody close, fine keep working gens if not okay you gotta mend. Sorry the concept is lacking to bring any real threat. Make the timer go down unless legion is in real close proximity (6m maybe?) this would prevent any abuse of chase mechanic like it was pre nerf.
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Right now it is becoming less and less fun.
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Insidious / MonstrousShrine obviously.
Both encourage a bad playstyle for people who have no clue how to play killer and also make it not so fun for new survivor players. In the end these result in frustrated killers when camping doesn't work anymore and frustrated survivors who dont like to die first hook but who does?
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So I rarely see clown,doctor,leatherface, huntress, legion , leatherface, wraith.
What do I mean by rare? Once a week at best.
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Sorry but every killer that relies on noed is probably bad at the game.
The perk is a wasted slot, you do not have to bother to even cleanse dull totems due to the fact the time is better used spend doing something else. So noed activates at the end of the match, oh no, now you have to look for the totem. It will be cleansed in what a minute?
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´How do people not hear her footsteps?
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Nope.
I supported this company with purchasing dlc/skins even gifiting dlc to friends who miss out etc.. f2p simply does not belong into games where I already pay for the content.
It is concerning that most people do not have a problem with it, stating you save money or you get your money back. Both cases are wrong, you spend your money for AC a worthless ingame currency. Ingame currencies have no other reason to exist but to delude the player, make them not think about money and how much they actually spend on a skin or whatever.
It is no coincedence that the rift pass can be leveled up with AC as well, as soon as you are unable to play, due to unforeseeable reasons you will lose that money or even invest more to get the everything out of it.
It is sad that they resort to f2p stuff which does not belong here and makes me worried about the future of dbd and where this could lead too. As I have no idea how much further they want to explore f2p mechanics.
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Thank you for this post, i was freaked out by the fact that most people do not have a problem with f2p mechanics arriving in this game and try to defend it with awkward reasoning such as you get your money back and you save money when in both cases, nope you just spend money as ac is not equal to money.
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@Deadeye said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/748663#Comment_748663
I really don't understand you either. I was thinking about if you mess up free2play and pay2win, but that also does not explain your comments. Would you be nice and "explain" your point rather than stating that others don't get it and keep it open to interpretation?
Free2play mechanics belong into free2play games and not in games that the users pay money for. DbD has a normal price tag, lots of DLC and it also has already a lucrative income from the store.
If we agree to f2p mechanics in this game i am worried about where it can lead. I mentioned several possibilities already. I dont like the fact that they now work with netease,
Why are f2p mechanics uhm meh? Well look at 95% of the f2p games out there, there is also dota&warframe but that is a special case imo. Ingame currencies which you can obtain via real money have no other reason to exist but to make the customer forget that it is actually about money, when I see the reactions of most people "but you get your money back" which you simply do not than i would say goal achieved in this.
So why do you have to do something like that to the people that love the game, play it and support the people who made it? I think bhvr didn't have to do that and it leaves a sour taste in my mouth, having purchased all dlc (gifted them to friends who miss some or simply wish for one), skins for chars (even when they just look great i bought them while not even playin the char they were made for).
F2p belongs into f2p games and not into dbd and I simply do not understand why they had to go that route, it made me doubt them and I dont like it one bit. Dont tell me a company has to earn money, i am aware of that.
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You legit contradict yourself, you come in start a list with points that are wrong and then state you do not want to argue. I am not hostile about it, it is just tiresome that people are unable to see the diffrence between getting their money back and getting some virtual ingame currency that is worth nothing.
I am not hostile, i am frustrated with the fact this is a paid game and they include free2play mechanics which you would suspect in dota,cs:go, world of tanks. All titles you can play for free with the entire content, not in dbd where you have to pay for diffrent killers and skills and survivors.
From here it is not far to premium accounts and other stuff but hey, keep supporting everything.
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@IWannaPlayAGame said:
Ok, the Rift 1) pays you back the money you spent on it, 2) gives you stuff for free (including the currency to get the halloween cosmetics just for playing), 3) is for purely cosmetic stuff, 4) Everything you can get there you'll eventually be able to get later for direct purchase if you "missed out." There's legit no reason to not like this change unless you're just opposed to battle passes cause "Fortnite bad" because it not only brings in more content (cosmetic or lore wise with the Archives) but also just a breath of fresh air for ppl who are burnt out. I'm not trying to argue with you, just maybe wait until it's out and give it a try before we all just jump on the hate bandwagon.
1) it doesn't you pay and get ac, ac is worthless outside of this game
3) for now
4) wrong, charms so far will be exclusive
Before you try to argue make sure that you don't say stuff that is wrong like that it gives you your money back and you shouldn't compare dbd a game that actually has an entry fee combined with several dlc to a complete free 2 play game.
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Yeah unlike you i run a business and have more than hundred employees. So thanks for the lecture about life. Maybe you should at least try to understand why people do take offense to the rift pass before you ramble something that completely misses the point. Also try to be civil in a forum, telling other people to "stfu" is not constructive.
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@Bravo0413 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/748476#Comment_748476
If you're going to complain about something that is purely cosmetic and doesnr effect gameplay at all I dont know what to tell you, this is optional.... strictly optional..... and even then if you do pay for it you earn the money back----> no other game does that, from what I've seen anyways.... the challenges and lore are NOT included in the premium---> the premium is completely avoidable if you dont want it... I dont understand what's so wrong about this...
Imo it's good for the game and team...
Please spare me your wrong stories ok? I paid for the game, all dlc and bought several skins. This game has multiple ways of income for BHVR, your statement is that you get your money back is completely wrong. 10€/$ whatever you don't get that back you can earn another 1000 AC back that is if you devote your time to playin dbd. It is a free2play mechanic in a game that costs money and is heavy on the dlc part. The fact that you do not understand why people do have an issue with that is cause you do not know about free2play and where it originates from and how it does affect game design. I recommend that you read up on the subject and than you will have less and less trouble to understand why there is an issue.
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@UlvenDagoth said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/747090#Comment_747090
Oddly you will find alot of people disagree with other Killers being able to brute force there way through a chase. Also what you are saying now is going against the "Hyperagressive" style you mentioned earlier.
Also, Yes I like Legion and I can Still look at the bigger picture other than "Oh they nerfed my Killer! Riot!" The Devs are for the game. Not Killer or Survivor. The Game. What did I do when they nerfed Legion? I looked at it, sighed at the overnerfing then PLAYED THE KILLER. I got to be really good with Legion despite it all. I didn't complain, I only whined alittle, I got things done.
My best advice is to comment in the feedback for the PTB. I can't influence the Devs anymore than you can, of course. I think the best bet is to play the Killer, get used to it and then decide.
Also
Hey,
have you actually played nurse yourself? I doubt you did. But keep parroting otz. 😂
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Since they are not greedy at all, they didn't make it optional to buy tiers in the rift pass. Oh wait they did, 6900 AC. Very cool to hope for more money from people that actually do have a life.
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Sorry nurse without addons was fine and still is for me.
I have no idea why you compare yourself to a prostitute but maybe lets not explore that any further, i leave you to your fantasies.
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@Peanits said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/746207#Comment_746207
The Archives section of it (the bit with challenges) is free and available to everyone, though. Even if you don't care about anything in the free track of The Rift, you get bloodpoints for completing the challenges.
If you don't feel like it's worth it, that's okay, you do not need to buy it. We don't want to force you to. It's 100% optional and does not impact the rest of the game in any way.
Why did you opt for free2play mechanics in a game that already costs money and where the dlcs cost money? I don't get it and how many more free2play mechanics can we expect?
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And here i thought ebony moris are supposed to counter ds?
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I don't see why anyone should dc playing against a legion? DW has no downsides to survivors, yeah you need to mend, big woop but as soon as he goes after another survivor you can keep working on gen. DW lacks any kind of pressure and is failing to pose a problem for survivors.
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Can't wait for premium account and all those other revenue models from free2play games. Maybe we get lootboxes too, yay!
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@[Deleted User] said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/747125#Comment_747125
That was so entertaining
Oh no 4 potatoes get 4ked.
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Honestly this thread is nothing but shocking to say the least.
The amount of people that justify everything is quite bizarre. I hope thanks to people who excuse everything, no matter how shady it actually is, that BHVR will continue to explore free2play-revenue in this paid game.
A couple of suggestions for you:
Please let us have premium accounts, It would be totally neat to upgrade your account for lets say another 1000 AC so we can have permanent bloodhunt and earn double bp, every game for a month. If there is already a bloodhunt, we could make it x4, imagine the revenue generated. This is also expandable you can offer large amounts of AC up to 10000 AC and slap some artificial saving on it. Like only use 10000 instead of 12000 AC for a year of premium!
There seems to be a widespread misconception about what it means to save money. Money saved isn't spend so when people spend money they do not save it. It is funny to see how it affects people and they talk about skins being worth AC when AC has no value to begin with and as any ingame currency available for purchase with real money only exists to make people forget that they actually do spend money.
Also please get rid of the cosmetic store: It is simply outdated. Nobody wants their customers just to buy what they want, you have to sell them the chance that they might be able to get the skin they want. Please include lootboxes, you already have some artificially made up grades of rarity on the skins so these should be fairly easy to implement.
I know lots of people do not like lootboxes that is why you have to call them something else. Maybe you even need to show the item the people get with the next lootbox beforehand so you do not get accused of that system being gambling.
Make bloodpoint available to purchase via microtransactions too! You know at least it doesn't affect gameplay in any kind or way. Imagine the amount of money generated by simply abusing people with mental disorders. You and a couple of people know that that it is not about the occasional buyer but about the whales who spend their money on it to complete everybody p3 especially on release day of dlc, glorious revenue indeed.
All is very optional and nice, not affecting gameplay. So please BHVR go ahead and explore those payment models as lots of people will defend you till the very end. I mean you already have people that are completely deluded that they get their money back with the rift pass.
You are a company after all and need to make money 🤦♀️
But as somebody who actually doesn't like various triple AAA publishers doing the same shady stuff in their games where they ask 60 instead of 20 to have the base game, i simply will not continue to support this. I don't care if it is lack of knowledge and understanding how anti consumer those free2play payment models are but to some people there is no higher value than moral integrity.
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@AokiiSenpaii said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/744735#Comment_744735
Hey. I understand you. I main survivors. So I must be an ######### that kept crying right?
Actually. False. I play Killer too. I just don't main it. And I just saw the broken aspect of her whilst playing her. You don't have to main a Killer or a Side to see that there IS a problem with a Killer. She is not getting a HARD nerf. She merely needs a short period to charge up her blinks. Spirit also has to wait a long time before using her power again and yet she is one of the best Killers in the game.
Just wait until the PTB is out. Play the Nurse. And then judge. This just speculation and childishly attacking people that prefer playing the other side is just stupid.
By the way. That's why you usually don't play a Killer without Add-Ons. Guess what they are for :)
No not at all that is completely fine but you made it sound in your first post like you didn't bother to Play her. The better you are at playing Nurse yourself the better you are at going against her.
And to me it just reads like another typical salty survivor post with strawman Arguments from People that used broken add ons on Nurse like use "getting out of sight" and Stealth. Breaking LoS is only part of that and not everything. There is more to it, it is more demanding than from any other Killer but that is why it is more fun and also rewarding ofc only if Nurse is played without add ons because that is what made her broken.
I will simply ignore that part about NOED, devour hope..
@[Deleted User] said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/744735#Comment_744735
I play both sides, I've also played add-onless Nurse and I'm still fine with it.
The fact I can play Nurse for 20 hours, and easily get more 4ks despite playing her without add-ons, than my main Huntress, who I've sunk over 300 hours in, is a bit telling that Nurse base kit isn't as skillful with as much counterplay as people would like to think.
Yes, the skillful player should win, but the other sides skill should be accounted for too. Unfortunately, this is not the case when going up against a very skillful Nurse. Even if outplayed her, she was back on you in 2 seconds. Even if the Nurse messes up time and time and time and time again, you simply aren't getting away from her unless she's chasing you in an indoor map or you're in corn.
My brother picked Nurse as his first main killer, and after a couple hours of losing games, got a little training in a kill your friends with me, and just began 4k-ing almost every single game and basically went from rank 20 to rank 1 in less than 30 hours play time as a completely new player.
My real problem with the change is that she will feel different than before, which with a killer as old as her, isn't very good. I think increasing her fatigue timers to be higher would have been better. It would allow her to look down for longer periods, so the survivor can actually get out of line of sight better, but she wouldn't feel nearly as different.
Basically, I feel like her base kit does need a small nerf to allow some actual counterplay, especially if Billy is the amount of balance we're trying to strive for, but I'm not convinced this is quite the proper way to do it. But I will save my judgements and criticisms for when the PTB comes out because that's how feedback works.
I rarely Play huntress, tho i can not really make good arguments about her just that it is increasingly getting harder to play huntress in general due to more and more cover being added for killers like ghostface which he did require yet straightout nerfed her.
Yes for nurse it is hard to go against but that is what makes it fun. You Need to bring your a game and work as a team otherwise it will not work while also being good individually so you do not get downed in a chase immediately. I don't have a problem to die against a good nurse that means she was better than me and that is fine at least it doesn't feel like a gamble like with spirit. Being run into do to no other Options left is meh.
Did your brother play addonless too? I doubt it. Also i kinda feel like when I played nurse that most survivors are bad at playing against her and simply do not put in the effort required.
I think what you mentioned about the Fatigue does Sound better to me.
@Mochan said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/744735#Comment_744735
Weren't you the guy who was claiming to be an R1 expert at both killer and survivor, yet crying over how Survivors bully all killers up to the red ranks? Then started talking about how Koreans eat live fish...
Sorry, your opinion on Nurse is sketchy at best. Actually your opinion as a killer feels like that of a newb rather than a seasoned expert. And definitely not the opinion of anyone who has good experience and skills with Nurse.
So tell me, you seem to "understand the Problem" tell me what exactly is the problem? What is wrong with Nurse, what is not wrong with Nurse, and what should BHVR do instead of the current proposed nerf? How do you play against Nurse as a survivor, what are the ways to counter her and stay alive?
You talk big telling someone they only play one side, it's pretty clear to me you don't even play survivor much. Probably not even Killer much. But if you can explain these things maybe I'll change my opinion.
Yeah try reading again Maybe, it was due to that Person that explained to me how in Korea they do not play nurse cause it is too powerful yet when making an "Experiment" to bring proof how op nurse is, they play her with broken add ons that nobody objected to being changed in the first place. So I told him that they eat fish that is alive which i wouldnt do either. Why should/would I care what koreans do?
Also I didn't cry about survivors being able to bully killers because that is what you can do. That is what i do, i like to do that with friends, it is fun. I am just honest about it. I mostly play dbd with friends and killer just from time to time but even in that time i can get to r1.
Survivors are Drama Queens, the excuses are plenty from aimbot to design to perks to everything but them. Ofc not everybody same can probably be said about killers. However i dont like to play with other people outside of my Group.
Why would I care about the opinion of someone who is not able to read? In short i repeat what I said before i dont have Problems with nurse base kit just with her current addons. My greatest fear is even less variety in red ranks and even longer waiting times.
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@[Deleted User] said:
"Expensive cosmetics"
You mean the ability to be able to pay $10 for $1,000 auric cells, to get 20,000 auric cells worth of outfits that will be coming to the store after 6 months, and the ability to get all of your auric cells back?
I don't know about you but that seems to be making cosmetics less expensive than they were before.
Even if you buy the battle pass, and only played enough to get two whole outfits worth of cosmetics which is like, less than a game every two days -- you'd still break even.
And you don't even need to buy it right away. You can complete it, buy it, and then get all of the cosmetics and your auric cells back immediately, so you can always gauge how "worth" the pass is for you.
I don't know what else they could do to make this anymore fair to be honest. I prefer spending 1,000 auric cells for a bunch of cosmetics and more, then having to spend 900~1,100 on a single outfit.
I'm not someone who has a lot of money and I don't usually buy cosmetics at all, but the Battle Pass with its current implementation helps save me so much more money than before.
Do you remember shards? There were outfits completely free as a reward for playing the game but somehow i dont know less and less...
Tell me what is cheaper than free skins? Tell me when you spend 10$ on AC how much money did you save? Exactly you spent 10$ and saved nothing. AC is worth 0.
The skins don't look that great tbh.
I feel sorry for you. You make a valid complaint and people respond like you insulted them personally and instead of making valid points they make snappy comments.