CamperSluggerVillain
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and the reason i bring this up is the snow flakes who think they won the game because they got hatch and for those ppl who wastes everyones time sitting on hatch instead of just leaving
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instead of a free esape it should be an chase for extra points no more hiding to open the gate or sitting in a locker for 2 minutes because u got bad gates would be a real good healthy option for the game. and stop players from wasting time with "watch me leave11" crap
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@Seraphor said:
So then what happens to give the last remaining survivor a chance to escape? Do the exits get powered automatically?
If the last remaining survivor doesn't have a viable escape route (and if they still need to repair gens it's not viable) then the game is over once the 3rd survivor is killed.
If the game is over once the 3rd survivor is killed, then the moment the 2nd survivor is killed, the remaining 2 survivors know they don't have a chance to escape, either they get found first and killed, or they don't get found first and don't have a viable escape route and still die. This causes the remaining 2 survivors to give up immediately. Or they troll until they inevitably die anyway, because they can't escape.
If the last 2 survivors always give up, or otherwise don't have a viable escape route, then every 2K becomes a defacto 4K. This means the end result of every game is either 0K, 1K or 4K. This grossly inflates kills rates, along with making tunnelling even more effective than it already is, which in turn leads to massive killer nerfs so that it becomes incredibly difficult to sacrifice more than 1 survivor in a given game (because if you sacrifice 2 survivors, you've automatically won).
The last remaining survivor has to have a viable escape option for the game to function, and by viable I mean 50% or there about, and that's what the hatch provides.
Powering the exits automatically instead could potentially work, but it has issues. For starters, the remaining survivor could prepare and start opening the exit the moment the 3rd survivor is sacrificed, this means they would have a head start on the killer, who now needs to choose between 2 exits, so it could still be a 50/50 chance anyway. But alternatively, if the survivor cannot make it to an exit gate before the killer has finished sacrificing the 3rd survivor, then it could be virtually impossible to get one open before the killer finds them. So you're either given a scenario that is no different to what we have (50/50), so why change it? or a hopeless scenario for the survivor.
"The last remaining survivor has to have a viable escape option for the game to function, and by viable I mean 50% or there about, and that's what the hatch provides." no they don't, survivors have enough 2nd chances as it and handhold perks and they're getting even more that's i'm suggesting to remove hatch lol
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@Pluto_1 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3486078#Comment_3486078
How will it be triggered (other than the gens)?
simple once 3 survivors die it starts
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@NoOneKnowsNova said:
Hatch exists so the game isn't held hostage. It's needed for that reason alone.
we have the endgame collapse for that
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if only there were more than 3 viable killers.... oh well IT'S ALWAYS WESKEN TIME
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@C3Tooth said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3482964#Comment_3482964
If I lose, I would rather say my skill is unviable against survivor team.
???????
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@Pulsar said:
OK.
I haven't really seen calls to nerf Wesker, besides adjusting his ability to tunnel. I have seen people want some variety, which is completely fair.
i'm mainly posting this because there were a good chunk of ppl who wanted wesker nerfed with the reason being "he's played too much" so i felt the need to post this and point out that even if he gets nerfed and thats a really big IF. it's just gonna make every that plays him switch to blight no new killers will pop out because half the killer roster is unviable
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@Cayennepepper said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3482846#Comment_3482846
"Out perking" Bro, I'm done talking to you. You're very clearly biased. Perks are a part of the game, being able to use a perk effectively requires understanding it. Understanding something and using it effectively is called skill. MFT isn't a free win button, and there are several killer perks which grant greater speed bonuses for doing less. I.E. PWYF. The survivors you're facing are simply better, bro.
PWYF requires killer to go and find obsession end a chase with them 3 times before you get the full bonus. way more effort then "oh i got hit and outplayed free 3% bonus.
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@Cayennepepper said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3481959#Comment_3481959
"you're in low mmr because you rarely play doc" Bro, what is that logic... cope however you want to though. MFT is incredibly mediocre, it only benefits survivors who can already loop without it. It's not a crutch perk, it's barely an advantage. As I've said, any exhaustion perk is better. You're acting as if running this perk is an automatic win. I've gone against several survivors using this perk and only once have I had an issue, and it was against the aforementioned bully squad who would've been able to beat me regardless of their builds. Your opinion of this perk is based on personal experience, and I'm assuming it was bad. You probably got looped all game and were frustrated. You blamed your loss on a mid-tier perk rather than your lack of skill. Even with MFT, the killer is still faster, and bloodlust completely negates the "advantage". Those people who can loop you for 5 gens are simply better, they were able to do it before this perk. Your opponents aren't winning cause of a "meta" perk, they're winning cause you're dookie.
lots of theroys huh i main wesker and wesker isn't affected by mtf at all i have no problems dealing with this perk here's the problem tho that's 1 killer try plauge or any m1 killer throw in the unbalanced map desgin of ultra safe 0 mindgame pallets and that's how this perk becames a major issue mtf is OP gives survivors a free 3% bonus for doing nothing at all it's pretty much the new dead hard and i'm not waiting another 6 years for this crutch perk to get nerfed.
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if only other killers viable you'd see more than just wesker what a shame...... but we can't have bhvr buffing other killers because killers are already OP too bad so sad enjoy playing VS wesker
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@Cayennepepper said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/383085/yay-still-4-more-months-till-mft-nerf
Any exhaustion perk is better than MFT. Killer Main try not to cry about mediocre perks after losing to someone using them once challenge (impossible). The issue isn't the perk, the issue is you encountered a survivor more skilled than you who looped you all game, resulting in a match loss. They weren't able to loop you because of that perk, buddy, it's because they were better. You just convinced yourself it was the perk as a cope. I play both roles regularly, I'm a Deathslinger main, so it rarely affects me - but I do own and play as every other killer. Yes, like playing against any other perk builds, you can lose if you play poorly. I played as Doctor against a bully squad, one player was a P100 Vittorio, who was able to loop me for three gens. I got 5 hooks in that game and zero kills. Coincidentally he was using MFT. Instead of attributing this loss to the "unfair" perk he was using, I realized I lost because of a skill difference. I'm a prestige one on Doctor, and I rarely play him. I only prestiged him for his perks. Even if he didn't have this perk, I would've lost 110%. I was inexperienced with Doctor, and Their team was simply better than me. My initial reaction wasn't to cope with it on the forums by crying about a weak perk. People who can derive value from this perk are already good at looping, and they'd be able to do it with or without it.
first off all you're in low mmr beacuse you rarely play doc congrats you beat bad survivors
second mft isn't mediocre and you're not "skilled" for getting outplayed at a loop then getting a free 3% bonus
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this agurement is over you wanted the stats you got them good day like I said do ur research
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here's the pre dead hard nerf stats hmmm what suprise. it's lower.
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@Uxoxe said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3481596#Comment_3481596
Just to clarify, those stats are for the 6.1 changes. Those don't specifically show the kill-rates skyrocketing because of the Dead Hard nerf. To my knowledge, the developers never released any stats showing any changes to kill-rates based on the Dead Hard nerf.
Although, if there is, like @CamperSluggerVillain is saying, I really want to see these stats.
my dude just showed you the stats. the kill rates before this were 50%, then the devs decided they wanted the kill rates to be 60% so they did that and nerfing dead hard inflated those rates because low and behold people who used dead hard before the nerf were bad at the game. hard to belivie i know. you're just coping at this point my man you're wrong just accept it you wanted the stats there they are
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anyway, now the event is over i'm not touching killer until mft get's nerfed and if the anti camp and free unhook changes come through without killers getting any buffs i'm not coming back enjoy ur que times and only playing VS wesker
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@Yamaoka said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3479777#Comment_3479777
I mean... Perks often win the game for both sided. It has always been this way since perks are a core element of the game.
hmmm my end game build i don't get to use because i win the game at 1 gen half the time disagrees if you rely on your perks to carry you, you are bad at the game. you're not good becaue you lifed after at that window AFTER the killer made the right read you're not good beacause you slugged all 4 survivors with noed and won
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@Uxoxe said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3479919#Comment_3479919
Where are the "kill-rates skyrocketing after the dead-hard nerf" stats you are speaking about? Would love to see these. Especially since killer's would have been nerfed across the board if this actually happened.
you don't even look at the stats and you're trying to argue with me Get out do your research survivor main
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@Nebula said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3479777#Comment_3479777
MfT only gets value if you’re already good at looping which most survivors aren’t. This perk is not nearly as impactful as many people make it out to be.
uh huh ppl said the same about dead hard and look where we are now. you're wrong buddy
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i'm glad you agree.
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@Nebula said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3479777#Comment_3479777
MfT only gets value if you’re already good at looping which most survivors aren’t. This perk is not nearly as impactful as many people make it out to be.
uh yes it is buddy just like how dead hard was OP and survivors who ran it legit thought they were good at the game made for this is the exact same it's not you it's the perk you are not good
the perk is
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try wesker he's fun AND strong join the wesk crew
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@Nebula said:
I can’t wait for this perk to get nerfed and killers realize that it indeed wasn’t MfT that was losing them games, it’s their skill and strategy.
But, let’s be honest, everyone will just switch topics to complain about. I guarantee it will be dramaturgy next, then adrenaline or sprint burst, then gen speeds. It never ends.
i can't wait for this perk to get nerfed and survivors realize that it wasn't their skillful looping winning them the game it was the perk just like how dead hard carried bad survivors and the moment it got nerfed the kill rates went through the roof
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@UnavailableName said:
https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/DSGWOPTWMNCV/image.png
Now tell me how i'm supposed to do anything ? I would like an answer from the lead game designer, that he explains me how i'm supposed to have fun in those games ?
Of course it was an SWF, 4 gens done in less than 5 minutes.
Pretty much sure ppl will say skill issue :)
yep sorry bud playing your favorite isn't gonna cut in this game, here's what you do ditch demo and play a B tier killer+ to have a chance at wining
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@MikaelaWantsYourBoon said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3478661#Comment_3478661
Or maybe they are just good killer. So maybe perk affects unskilled bad killer mains, so they are believing this perk is busted. That's also possible y'know.
you're not "good" just because get a free 3% bonus AFTER getting outplayed and getting hit, that's called getting carried by your perk
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play any B tier and up and get good with them try wesker. any killer below B tier and you will get destroyed all day everyday
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sure let's just kill whats left of hexes so killers keep stacking slowdown great idea!
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@Seraphor said:
Love the constant gaslighting from people who cant play killer without camping and tunneling.
i love low mmr players who come in try to discuss balance and then get shut down.
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@Seraphor said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3478086#Comment_3478086
Maybe you're just bad?
You run an endgame build with blood warden. Why are you expecting to need it?
maybe you're just an survivor main who just lieing? there's no way you're winning every game with wraith and pig with 0 slowdown even bhvrs stats disagree with you and i happen to know a guy who mains pig and doesn't get these results I think you're just a survivor main is disguse or talking out of ur ass
if you're gonna lie at least put some effort into it. 60% win rate buddy
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@Seraphor said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3478080#Comment_3478080
I play nearly every day.
So you're playing everyday and wining often as wraith and pig? doubt.
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@Seraphor said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3478072#Comment_3478072
Can you explain how I stay in low MMR while scoring predominantly 3Ks?
becaue you don't play often and your mmr decays. simple
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@Seraphor said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3478033#Comment_3478033
Then I guess you're not going to believe me. Today I got 11 hooks with Wraith, Dredge and Pig, offering hatch to the final survivor.
I don't believe you're all having so much trouble playing killer, I believe you've all become reliant on crutches such as quadruple slowdown, camping and tunneling, as a replacement for game sense and macro game control.
i use the same build all day everyday it's called BBQ agi blood warden and term so your theroy is wrong also you're 12 hooking with wraith and pig? so you're saying you're in low mmr makes sense wraith and pig are in fact noob stompers
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@Seraphor said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3477801#Comment_3477801
I am a killer main (75% killer, 20% solo survivor, 5% SWF) and I play for BP, that means getting 12 hooks per game, which can't happen if you camp.
The issue in this topic is scores, if you want a higher score, then you need to do as much as you can in a game, which means no short cuts. No camping, no early eliminations, no gen rushing.
If you want to camp and tunnel that's fine, but you're going to get a crap score and de-pip. Your choice.
you're not getting 12 hooks dude it's impossible to 12 hook survivors even with B tier killers these days stop lying.
Unless you're a nuse/blight main then I belive you
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better get used to getting slugged my friend because once hook grabs are gone and those anti camping changes come out it's the only thing killers will have left
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this is just even more reason to never hook survivors i hope you like being sluged the whole game because there's no way i'm hooking survivors with base kit bt and no hook grabs and the anti camp change that's coming as well no sir the age of hooking survivors is over you can already barely go for hooks this change will be the nail in the coffin
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@tubalcane said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3474923#Comment_3474923
You nailed it. The game is getting ridiculously easy for survivors. At the same time they continue to make more and more negative rules for killers that make no sense, like a anti-camping mechanic when there are already a bunch of anti-camping mechanics.
it already is, all the slowdown is gone and maps play themselfs at this point. yet, SOMEHOW the kill rates are really high according to bhvr??? like i don't mean to be rude or mean but survivors just SUCK if they're dieing is this current state of the game it baffles me how the kill rates are still so high it really does
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it's almost as if you're not suppost to loop a killer for 5 gens, stop abusing made for this and predroping every pallet smh
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if only more killers were A tier we'd see more than just wesker blight nurse and spirit if only....... i'd love to play someone like sadako but she's soo bad and so is the other half of the killer roster deathslinger was played pretty often back then as well but he got nerfed cause survivors complained and now no one plays him gee guys i wonder why we only see wesker it's almost as if he's one of only 5 good killers atm.
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god pallets have 0 counter play for m1 killers once their down the game has over 40 of them not a killer sided map just no
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@TheArbiter said:
People think this map is killer sided?? I appreciate the advice people have given
a map that has 40 god pallets killer sided? no don't listen to them
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@TheArbiter said:
Title
you don't lol it's impossble to win on 90% of the new maps as m1 killers. if you do win as a m1 killer on these maps it's because survivors are REALLY bad.
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@BloodBird said:
https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/AP4Q3Y4X6D23/prestige-100-victory.jpg
They only repaired 2 Gens, I never tunneled, slugged or camped a single person the whole game.
Last person got hatch at shack, 50/50 I picked the wrong side of shack to check first lol.
Just because you destroyed a team with MMR off doesn't make wraith good
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Most ppl find the chase aspect of dbd the most fun and i'm also part of this portion this is for both survivor and killer
PS: MANDY I LOVE YOU
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@Kirarozu said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3461320#Comment_3461320
I don't do youtube videos but I also don't go for condemn kills. I rarely see anyone get condemned when I play sadako... I go for slow down and devour hope.
if you don't even know her best build then you should be on here talking as she's good lol because she isn't
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@scoser said:
He's fun, not too difficult to play, fairly effective, etc. Tell BHVR to keep buffing/tuning other killers if you want more variety.
this
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my prayers have been answered! MANDY I LOVE U
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@Hawk81584 said:
Hopefully they nerf him since he’s overused, we gotta keep the meta changing. His pick rate is too high
be carful what you ask for nurse and blight will be the only killers you play after wesker get nerfed
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@Witchubtet said:
I love DBD and have been playing since 2017, but it just seems to not be fun anymore. Constantly clashing over meta things and never changing perks because “iT cOuLD hElP nUrSe” has made me resent the survivor community a lot. Even more so after a bad match I get messages telling me to off myself.
Im even Hide my name but they still will send threats and hate. I don't Camp, I don’t truly Tunnel, and I don’t even use the Meta killers.
Im not going to do what they ask but it makes me hate that side of the isle even more. I know 50% of the Survivor base are good people but it just gets draining.
I just had 4 0Ks in a row due to map destination and the constant presence of at least a three man bully squad.
I don’t want to give up with the next Killer so near But im Just sick of the harassment post game along with the only true advice being “Get out” or “get Good”.
i know my friend we can't have the 2% of the player base that plays nurse getting buffs now can we
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My you dude you have perks to counter tunneling and camping base kit perks to counter tunneling and camping and counter play to counter tunnelng and camping what more do you need? killers tunnel and camp because 12 hooking is impossble due to map design & gen speeds if you want things to change tell bhvr to stop giving survivors base kit perks and to stop making bad maps.
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don't worry after these changes come out you'll have a new problem called survivor que times