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@NVerde said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2933588#Comment_2933588
How do you know what their intention was at the beginning, and why does it matter so much to you? You have had answers to the 'points' you're making and you don't seem to be grasping it - just say you're mad at a character being confirmed to be gay and move on, it's honestly cringeworthy how you refuse to be educated on this.
🗿 And you should educate yourself on what I've actually been messaging.
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@NekoGamerX said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2934333#Comment_2934333
dude my partner has had a girlfriend before me and we been together for 16 years now
no ones gay or straight or whatever till it in the tome
dev and writers say who straight or gay not you.
I haven't, they did.
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@NekoGamerX said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2934288#Comment_2934288
how you know this? I mean you have anything to back it up? really now.
I know you don't because no survivors or killers have said what they sexuality really is
felix happy marriage (straight)
legion straight couples (straight)
nurse and wraith relationship (straight)
and now David being gay (gay)
they all in the tome right now but only now you care because it got to do with someone being gay
all killers and survivors don't have a sexuality or anything till the writers put it in the tomes nothing canon till the dev and writers put it in the game and in the tome.
He had a girlfriend. He was straight until they just made him gay. If they made Julie gay, then it would be the same thing.
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@NekoGamerX said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2932673#Comment_2932673
so you think all survivors are straight no matter what,how you know this wasn't they idea from the get go they wanted David gay.
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2932799#Comment_2932799
you don't read the lore yet you know 100% David was straight before this I think you need to get your head out of the sand.
By all means he wasn't gay before.
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I'd like a rework
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It's definitely not a super hard to counter perk. It's there for it's purpose and it works. If players team up against you with it. There probably purposefully doing it.
Otherwise it's just there to be slightly annoying.
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I feel ya, the game sucks..I barely play as is 😞
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In some cases. If it's a blastmine and the gen gets done when I kick it and have a seizure, then yeah that's mad toxic. Mainly because blastmine is just a stupid perk.
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I'd agree with m1 killers having a speed up option.
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@AsherFrost said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2933582#Comment_2933582
And your continued posts here prove that, lol
I'm mainly here just for the entertainment value at this point.
But you can still talk about something and not care.
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@Mooks said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2932845#Comment_2932845
Why not though? As long as the character was never stated to be straight, where is the problem?
Do you also think it was wrong to reveal Frank and Julie being a couple in their tome lore when it wasn’t mentioned in their backstory?
If it were me, I'd find it odd to make a character gay when i myself had no intention of making them gay beforehand. I'd make a new character instead of randomly making them gay to have more representation in my media. Whether I can expand their lore to make it make sense or not.
I also am not a fan of unnecessary romantic plot points. Straight or gay. Another game I played had that and I just didn't like it, felt forced and it was a straight one too.
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@AsherFrost said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2932799#Comment_2932799
So you haven't read any of the lore, and actually have no idea how it's written, because you didn't care... Right up until someone was confirmed as gay.
Now you still haven't actually read anything, but you're clearly upset by it. Do you really think it's a mystery to people what changed? Because it isn't, and it's really not a good look. Though I do appreciate the honesty of admitting that until it involved a man being gay, you didn't care at all.
I still don't care.
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@Mooks said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2932832#Comment_2932832
You know? They could have chosen anyone. That’s how writing lore for your own characters work. At least in this case they chose someone where it doesn’t contradict anything in the existing lore and actually ties in loose ends and make it natural that way. It was definitely not as random as you want to make it out to be. It was a decision they very likely have discussed.
the only problem here is you have your head canon that David should be straight for whatever reason and now you and criticizing them for not having respected your head canon. At least you have given literal zero other argument why David shouldn’t have been ‚chosen‘.
I don't care they that there's a gay character.
I've said they shouldnt have made an existing character gay. Thats my opinion.
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@Mooks said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2932815#Comment_2932815
You said yourself the comment sounded like an excuse to you. But now the comment is good enough to use as an argument for you? Is that comment and it’s contents now valid or not?
and keep in mind, it’s just a brief comment. They have announced to include LGBTQ+ representation almost 2 years ago (June 2020), they have since given updates that they are working with GaymerX to avoid rushing it or creating bad stereotyped or bad representation/writing. Do you actually think they needed two years to just randomly choose? Isn’t it more logical to assume they discussed various possibilities and decided that David was fitting because of various reasons (including existing lore and initial creation of the character)?
They could've chose anyone and made lore. There is nothing else to say about that.
The response was company talk. I believe some devs and team members have good intentions, but it was company talk nonetheless. They cannot come out and say exactly what happened with this. It gave a bad impression.
But knowing that is some of the only information we know, it still says the picked and choosed.
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@gendoss said:
Well seeing how Feng is Chinese and not Japanese it wouldn't make any sense.
True true, plus...the whole gal thing would probably just look...bad over all.
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@Mooks said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2932799#Comment_2932799
then why criticize this part of the lore now, when you have no knowledge about anything that’s been written about the characters before?
sorry, but tome story’s pretty much always add new traits, relationships, facts etc about the character, that’s how they are telling their story’s and fleshing out their characters.
they never revealed David to be straight before, there isn’t any retconning happening here yet you have a problem with him being revealed as gay now?
I only know because I saw it on the dead by daylight subreddit as I was going to the hunt showdown subreddit. I then proceeded to go into the rabbit hole into the forums after I read some over there, Otherwise there hadn't been a lot of lore stuff pop up.
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@Mooks said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2932677#Comment_2932677
You have no evidence that the writers didn’t already knew at that point that David was gay. It just wasn’t relevant in that story to mention. They certainly didn’t mention that David was in love with that ex girlfriend or that he was happily straight.
Peanits comment about David being gay says they looked at the characters and said "we decided David would the best choice". It could've been anyone. Intended to be gay or not.
They chose a character and wrote lore to make them gay. There isn't any "the devs already knew David would be gay before they even decided to make a LGBT character".
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I don't look at the lore so I wouldn't know. If I did view the lore and read something I could criticize I'd tell you.
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@NekoGamerX said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2932630#Comment_2932630
I don't think you do...
I in fact do. The fact that men have had gf's have been said multiple times, but that doesn't change the fact before they made him gay, it was just his ex. Not him being gay and his ex...just his ex.
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@NekoGamerX said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2932634#Comment_2932634
that's not what I asked
that not evidence that David was always straight😐️
I thought it was common knowledge all they did was look through there already existing survivors and chose one to be gay 🤔. Doesn't go much deeper than that.
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@NekoGamerX said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2932064#Comment_2932064
you have evidence that David was always straight before now? other then he had a girlfriend.
I believe the devs just announced they made him gay just a few days ago.
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@NekoGamerX said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2932182#Comment_2932182
that the point he trying to make,David's lore was vague Felix lore wasn't he had wife and family meant alot to him and David just had a girlfriend mentioned which a lot of gay men have had girlfriends before coming out feels more real.
I know exactly what he means.
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Just play normally. All there is too it.
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Well sorry my main was legion even before the update 😐. I rarely play anyways.
I kinda prefer Death slinger nowadays anyway.
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@Mooks said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2932432#Comment_2932432
and why do you think your head canon is the truth while the canon lore that the creators have written and officially revealed is not?
It's not my head canon. I didn't even know mans had a gf before I started reading these posts. He's the same has Felix the only difference is David's relationship is past tense and Felix's is assumingly isn't.
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@Mooks said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2932314#Comment_2932314
that you can’t know. Again your head Canon you are trying to claim as a fact.
Just the truth.
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@Mooks said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2932183#Comment_2932183
I mean.. if its stated in the lore that he got surprised by it, then.. why not? People can get surprised by their own sexuality, even later in life. There are people genuinely living a heterosexual life until they realize it’s not what they truly are.
but, that’s not what you meant, is it?
Just meant it'd be a surprise for him just as it is for us.
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@Mooks said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2932064#Comment_2932064
David - a fictional character - was surprised by what?
It = him being gay
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@Mooks said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2932083#Comment_2932083
David just had a girlfriend mentioned. That’s completely different than a wife. And that girlfriend wasn’t written as a big part of his life, but just mentioned super briefly which already felt very odd and didn’t make much sense. Now with the new lore this brief mentioning actually makes sense. Without this new tome, the girlfriend actually feels completely irrelevant and just thrown in for the sake of it.
Most of David's lore was vague anyway
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@Mooks said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2932071#Comment_2932071
Totally different as we know Felix has a wife he started a family with which meant much to him. Sure, he could still be gay trying to hide this from himself or others but it would feel not as natural as with David, where everything adds up.
they didn’t just made David gay, they wrote a story, tying in loose and existing ends from his previous background and times story and created a coherent new story about his struggles of coming out.
Its objectively viewed a well written story. In other cases like Felix it would obviously need a story to say if it feels natural and fitting or not but just saying they could made him gay… eh. No. That’s not how this works.
Literally what they did tiger.
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@Mooks said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2931905#Comment_2931905
Pretty sure you didn’t even express an actual opinion here and just threw around with some half baked statements, talking BHVR down without actually saying what they did wrong in your eyes, saying Peanits statement feels like an excuse when it was very well formulated and can be backed by several statements from them over the past two years. You said David was a bad choice because you think he was created with being straight in mind which is just your self made head canon which doesn’t have anything in-game to base it on…
They could've made Felix gay and just expanded the lore there and it'd be the same as David.
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@Starrseed said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2931912#Comment_2931912
Always assume the worst but to be honest you are probably right. But the first part still stands you don't now some one is gay till you know because they are like every one else
That doesnt apply when David was even surprised by it
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@Brokenbones said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2931941#Comment_2931941
I mean they dedicated an entire tome to it, it's not like the twitter post they made was the only thing they did
IDK I just don't see it as that big of a deal. I get that some people think the way they went about it was poor and I have mixed feelings on it, I'd have prefered it if they had just let people read the lore and realise it themselves but I guess they were proud of it/wanted to let people know since this is something they are asked on a very frequent basis
I even don't see it as a big deal, but I'm just keeping myself involved even if j for sure have my own opinion on it.
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@Brokenbones said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2931912#Comment_2931912
One of the community managers talked about how he (and I'm sure many of his colleagues) wouldn't have felt right about the first lgbt character being locked behind a DLC that you're expected to pay for
If anything that would just make it look like BHVR is trying to just profit off of the whole thing, instead of actually giving a damn about it
Whether you like the decision they made or not, at least it's not something they expect you to pay for. Hell, one thing I respect BHVR for is making the pride charms optional. You can just not redeem them if you're not interested, despite some people crying about it being ""forced"""
Being real, I believe you mean Peanits response right? Read like an excuse.
Them highlighting they didn't want it to be paid just kinda excuses them from doing free content for a survivor and making a new one. Even if it was paid, I'd think higher of it. It would show they put in more work than choosing a character and simply expanding their lore to make it make sense.
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At this point I'm saying just rework the game
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@Starrseed said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2931161#Comment_2931161
But isn't it nice that it's just one of the characters we already know? That shows that lgbtq people are like you and me if I don't tell you I'm gay you won't see it. I'm happy the first gay character isn't some 80s cliche guy with a mustache and a sparkling jacket that does little hops while sprinting
I don't see the need to assume bhvr would've made a cliche if they had made a new character.
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@Mooks said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2931834#Comment_2931834
You have contradicted yourself multiple times already. Maybe try to form an honest and own opinion first.
And don’t just use your head canon.
I have only kept to my original opinion and I'll continue keeping it.
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@AsherFrost said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2931843#Comment_2931843
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2931830#Comment_2931830
You seem confused, this isn't a maybe thing. They announced 2 years ago, GaymerX also announced it, they've been pretty clear on what they were doing.
If that's what they did, that's what they did.
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@Hoodied said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2931161#Comment_2931161
Wasn’t going to intrude but let me teach you something
the company bhvr got to help them make a gay character chose the perfect candidate on the roster, nobody played some silly game to pick the lgbtq+ rep, they picked david and like they said, perfect choice. Once the full lore drops you’ll see why, cause its really damn good
We can never really know what actually happened behind the scenes.
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@Mooks said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2931283#Comment_2931283
You are not on a side?
you already stated you think it feels random and weird to choose David (while they explicitly stated how they decided on David as their first rep and it’s all but random) and you stated you think David was written/created to be straight - without any arguments supporting this.
I side what I said. At the end of the day that's just my opinion and imma stick with it til I see a reason to change it.
Aso I think you might be referencing Peanits a bit there. Terrible response from dude.
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@AsherFrost said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2931161#Comment_2931161
The only people who feel that way are uninformed and haven't been paying attention for the last 2 years that BHVR has been working with GaymerX and other members of the community literally on this. Far cry from "eenie meenie minie, mo"
Maybe
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@Mooks said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2931256#Comment_2931256
uhm. Yeah. Exactly. That’s why those are bad arguments and just excuses to hate on inclusion while hiding behind ‚it’s just an opinion‘
Well I'm not on any given side and even I'll say both are right in their own regards.
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@Mooks said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2931232#Comment_2931232
Eh. Many gay people in the fanbase don’t even find David ‚hot‘ but are preferring other characters like Felix or Dwight or Jeff. That’s not an argument as it can be used against literally any character. David’s backstory and new tome are fitting well together.
and just creating a new character and making them LGBTQ+ would startle many people as well: it’s pandering, bad writing because one dimensional, their whole personality revolves around their sexuality, it feels forced, they only did it for the money.
As per that second paragraph, the same can be said about David.
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Seems okay with me
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@Mooks said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2931219#Comment_2931219
Homophobia is not an opinion. And if you are against LGBTQ+ inclusion while being fine with heterosexuality shoved in everywhere then… guess what? That’s not just an opinion.
hiding hatred behind the excuse of ‚it’s just an opinion‘ is pathetic.
Well I'm not one of ones fighting it, I'm just staying involved.
Surely there'd a reason why they feel it's forced even if there is lore written to back it up. I can't even finely articulate things sometimes.
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@Yords said:
It would only be more powerful
Pretty much.
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@Mooks said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2931209#Comment_2931209
So.. there is literally no argument against it and no reason why David shouldn’t be gay? It’s just people don’t like it if someone is revealed as gay while being okay with characters getting heterosexual relationships added to their lore out of the blue?
you don’t see any double standards here?
I'm not much of the lore guy, so I can't say too much else about other relationships, but if other LGBT people have had criticisms about it, surely they have their own reasons.
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@GoodBoyKaru said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2931209#Comment_2931209
And yet with many other tomes you can give clear examples as to why the writing is bad. With David they can't, all they say is "shoehorned in" and nothing more, which shockingly isn't an actual criticism that applies to his lore because it wasn't.
I wouldn't know, but hey, everyone can have thier own opinions.
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@Mooks said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2931193#Comment_2931193
Sure. But at least in case of Legion and Nurse there were actually coming arguments as to why it was received negatively.
For David being revealed as gay people against it can’t state why. It’s well written and is tying together loose ends from previous lore. It’s one of the best examples of how tome story’s should be and people are just like ‚no it’s forced‘ without any actual argument.
The same reason your saying its good is the same reason their saying it isn't. You can like it and they can simply not.
You see good writing, they don't. Etc.