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Thats true but he dont wants to play it alone, he want to play with me :D
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I cant agree with that because when I que with my friend we got rank 18-15 killers and all of them had all 4 perks such as bbq, ruin, noed, pop goes the weasel on rank 3 and we had 4 mori games out of these 10. So you cant tell me these killers were "new" when they alread had alot of teachables.
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I share your opinion, I love the "horror movie like" idea where you get chased by a Killer or you chase a almost helpless person. Its a insane nice idea and its really fun to play besides the downsides of the game.
And I love the story and character design of most of the original killers such as:
Billy, Spirit, Plague, Huntress and mostly Legion <3
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I dont see where D strike should be changed, as a Killer main i am really happy about the new D strike and its a really balanced and good way how they changed that perk.
I only hate it when a survivor gets hooked next to a gate because you cant carry them further and then its basicly a free escape for him no matter what you do, unless the saver is getting grabbed.
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I know what you mean, I already did that 2 hourse with him but he couldnt keep everything in mind because it was too much information in a short time, so I thought he should play a few games to get slowly used to this game you know :)
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I agree what you mean and I am not supporting toxic gameplay but this billy for an example had a ebony mori and already moried someone and he tried to tunnel my newbie friend right after the unhook (thanks to borrowed time he survived the tunnel and could hide). He even ignored me when I bodyblocked him for over a min because he was so focused on my friend. Thats not how to "learn or adept" if you bring a ebony mori and instantly tunnel everyone from the hook.
So i decided to be toxic aswell. I am not usually toxic but if a killer wants to be toxic then I dont mind to bully him back. Thats my opinion atleast^^
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You are right that rank doesnt mean anything in dead by daylight. But there are alot of killers who tryhard for there life just to get pips or bloodpoints. I´ve seen alot of ppl that told me after a game like "atleast a pip" or "enjoy your black pip with this mori" and with that fact i would tell that if you dont have this pip system, new players will have a easier time to learn this game and will not get matched with full leveled killers with op addons.
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But even if the devs are gonna change the stun durotation and vault speed, the CORE problem of legion is still that you are a killer without power when it comes to kill a survivor. And that is for my opinion even the worse part.
They should bring back the multistab to reduce the timer and make legion again to a slow movementspeed killer with a smaller terror radius, so then you can actually down survivors faster then running behind them like a M1 killer.
You can compare that to plague when survivors dont cleanse (what they are mostly doing when they know how to play). But the plague has some extra tools like your vormit sounds counter iron will, you see infected objects to get an kind of tracking ability and you dont have to injure the survivors again if they start healing to waste even more time to get the survivors back to injured.
In my opinion without franks mixtape or the moonwalk exploit the old legion was waaaay more fun and different to play. Now legion is just another of these boring M1 daily ritual killers like wraith, leatherface and doc.
I really hope the devs are gonna do something but i think we all know that they will not do anything in the close future. Maybe in some months but yea..
Rip my money that i spended on a DLC that is not really enjoyable now and rip cells for susie skin :D
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Alright thats fine then, i didnt know the exect numbers of the range that you gain from these addons, that makes sense then. But i wonder why ppl say then omega blink is the MOST OP ######### IN THE GAME COMPLETLY BROKEN and stuff, because its just 7 meters so ye nurse overall is broken so ye, in that fact you could say every addon is broken :D
But still thanks for the explonation!
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I posted the links to my videos at my first post if you are interested to see the proof.
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Overall you are right that i have to bring a proof, and i will, but you should not write as the first reply "yeah its a mega bait" thats is what i call rude.
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Well if you are to lazy to do a proof then i am too lol
I am just trying to help ppl and beeing nice, if you have a problem with that then dont read this post, easy as that.
If you dont believe me then its fine, i dont really care about your opinion honestly. I dont want to be rude but you are acting pretty weird on this so ye.
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Yea thats an great idea, i will try to make a little proof video but i would really like to see any proof of your side that it does stack :) that would be fair. If the devs said that, show me the stream or patchnotes or whatever.
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I tested it in all variation, ataxic only, ataxic and catatonic, wooden horse and catatonic and so on. The blink range is never further then ataxic only, but yea i am just baiting :)
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Just how i said abov, if you dont believe, just test it, you will see lel
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So the devs write under addons "-stacks" and dont write it just for fun right, sounds pretty smart OMEGALUL
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If you say so have fun playing with those addons lul
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I got you, dont worry and i understand what you mean. But the complains are not about that noed is OP or too strong, just a few ppl do that and honstly they dont really know what they are talking about.
The complains about noed are mostly that it is a no skill or effort requierment to get those insta kill compared to make your choice. It is really frustrating as survivor when you loop a killer really long and then gets "outskilled" by noed at the end. That happens to me quiet alot and i am even a killer main. So i can understand those ppl who complain about it.
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Infectious Fright is not on A because some killers really dont need or want to use this perk, for an example, Hag, Huntress (because of her small terror radius), Doctor, Legion and wraith. And these are alot of Killers that cant really make use of it compared to enduring, pop goes the genrush and bamboozle.
But i am happy you understand me^^
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For an example, this is what i would do.
Bbq is not that necessary on the most killer, but this tier list is about what perks are usable or good on overall the most killers (spirit and nurse does not count because they have a complete different gameplay compared to the most other killers).
So bbq is a good tracking perk that can apply alot of pressure on survivors, because you can track injured survivors that are far away and get them instantly back on the hook or try to find specific survivors that you want to kill fast because of (saboing hooks, last hook, a perk wants that just as dying light or others).
Brutal streangth is heavily underrated because ppl just think about faster pallet breaki thats it. With those 20% extra breaking speed you have a lower chance to lose a survivor, the survivor has shorter time to find a new save loop spot and you reduce the overall time of your chases and get rid of the pallets overall of the map faster. On killers like clown, doctor, myers, ghostface or plague that can down survivors really fast with there powers, this short extra time can mean ALOT.
I dont want to offend you but i have the feeling that you are a noed player and that means you overrate this perk because you feel more deadly and saver to get kills with it. But this is just a illusion that killers with low experince have.
Whispers has the same problem, many ppl overrate this perk because they feel that they have a esier time to find survivor but thats not true. With this perk killers start to loop closely around a specific area when the perk pops up, but actually if you think like a survivor then you know in which area you should look around and in which not. It depends on experience. Whispers is only good at finding the first and last survivor, but overall in the game it is mostly useless. You can replace wishpers with BBQ, discordence, surveillance and thrilling tremors. Whispers was a really good perk when dead by daylight was new, but now you have a ton of other good tracking perks.
ps: I have to mention that i made this in like 10min so some perks might not be 100% at the spot where i want it but this should be fine for now.
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The half of the perks are completly wrong placed, maybe you dont like them or dont know how to use them propably, it seems more like a "the perks that i like more are top tier" list.
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Yeah some ppl like me who played alot Legion, old and new, know that the new legion is even worse then the old legion. But you are missing some things, the deep wound timer would go down in chase, it just dont goes dont when you are in the terror radius. And you can kind of use sometimes frenzy to catch up again (if you get stunned by a pallet without enduring or brutal streangth and the survivor build up alot of distance to you, then you can actually us it to catch up again. But overall you are right and i understand what you mean.
I think the most ppl that played the old legion and miss them really hard, just like me, i really miss the old legion, that the devs are gonna do something with the new legion, they need a rework or a good update. A update that is not half and fast made, a good update with alot of thinking and love just like with the new freddy.
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I cant agree that it is COMPLETLY IMPOSSIBLE to play a good game without ruin, i am playing atm, legion, wraith, billy, spirit, clown, freddy and nurse without ruin noed or anything else, just pop goes the genrush and i dont have alot of problems to stall the game, just sometimes when you meet really good loopers.
The main problem is, it is hard to keep the pressure as a NOT pressure killer like clown, huntress, wraith etc, because obviously these killers dont have something to reach gens faster or protect them well compared to other killers, spirit, nurse, new freddy, billy.
So what i mean with that is, if you really know how to master the killer and play him optimal you dont HAVE to play with ruin, only on some specific killers because they need the extra time at the start of the game, but overall pop goes the genrush is stronger for my opinion.
But what i want to adress is that kicking gens without pop feels really useless, because if the survivors are good at hiding they will just touch the gen and your 2sec kick animation was just a timewaste that almost did nothing, i think everyone knows the funny situation where you have the last gen on 90%+ and you have to protect it, but there are always coming survivors to the gen and trying to rush it, kicking it will not help at all cuz the damage over time is not high or fast enough, just with pop.
I would say kicking gens and a overall repair speed reduce of like 10% maybe would be nice, my idea of buffing the basic kick is either do a build in mini pop goes the weasel that regress the gen after a kick by idk 5% or something, or survivors cant touch the gen to stop the damage time, they have to do a 2-3 sec action really quick just like a little mend to get the "damage" debuff of the gen away, that prevents the "useless kick" situation with a 90% + gen.
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I mained 2 110% killers, first of all old legion and now spirit after the "update", you are right, the most of the 110% killers have the most fun powers, but that because to balance the movement speed you have to make the power stronger compared to 115% killers.
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Old legion was various, fun and something different.
New legion is boring, slow and dont require any effort or skill cap.
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I would say ppl dc because they get hit through 5 dimensions for an example through a window even when they are already on the other side and running (that happens to me too and pisses me off, i am killer main btw)
Or some ppl dc because the killer laggs so much and you cant do ######### without lagging around as survivor, these are the dcs that i could understand and imagine of.
On the other side, ye just how the most ppl wrote here, they tried to be toxic but failed or have an huge ego and cant take that lose like a men.
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Susie of Legion is my waifu, because she´s cute and is a yandere. And she is wearing tights.. i love tights!
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Thats true that myers is the strongest M1 killer next to clown but they are both still really weak because of this zero map pressure. If you have survivors that know what they are doing, you cant do anything against that genrush unless they will do mistakes.
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yea it was 24M my bad, sorry about that^^
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So in your opinion every killer has the same balancing and has the same streangth levels and its only the players problem if they are getting looped or infinited? That is pretty naive to be honest
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i am tired thats why i cant write, i mean with old movementspeed the speed for frenzy.
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-old movementspeed for legion
Addons:
-Susie´s mixtape,never sleep pills and friendship bracelet back to normal (more frenzy movementspeed)
-Fuming mixtape (how i mentioned in my first post, see blood in frenzy)
-Deep wound study applies mangled effect after hitting with frenzy (so dont need sloppy)
-All pin addons should increase vaulting speed for pallets and windows
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That sounds mostly really nice but i would personally preffer to bring the old legion back with a few new legion updates for an example:
-back to slow movementspeed killer 4,4 M/S
-vault speed back to old or atleast faster then it is right now, it feels like you are the clown when you vault over a pallet or window
-bring back that you lose 25% of the mend bar for an extra frenzy hit
-back to 15sec recharge timer of the power gauge and you can use it whenever you want
-blood visable in frenzy or as an addon atleast (fuming mixtape for an example)
-reduce frenzy stun to 3 or less seconds (nerf the stun reduction addons to balance it out)
-durotation to 10 sec (or something else, depends on how it is better balanced)
-nerf franks mixtape with an extra downside like considerably reduce the feral frenzy durotation and movement speed
-if you miss a hit in frenzy the frenzy depletes completly / you lose 50% of your power gauge (to have a counter play)
-and obviously in terror radius your mend timer dont goes down BUT while you mend you will lose your mend timer until to 0% just like before, so mend is abit more dangorous and you have to actually run abit away and hide to mend safely.
-terror radius back to 16M so you can sneak up on people
I think and hope i didnt missed anything or forgot, but i think how it looks it should be fine.
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Just how i said, you dont get my point but its fine. Its btw funny that you think i am really to dumb to play legion xD
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Edit: I hope you understand what i mean, i dont want to offense someone who plays noed, these are just facts and i am not the only one who has that opinion for sure^^
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Well i can give you my point of view as a noed hater.
I dont say NOED is OP or unbalanced, it is indead one of the most balanced perks. But the fact that you get the ability to insta kill someone wihtout any effort or requierment is really unfun and annoying from an survivor perspective (i am killer main).
For an example for Make your Choice you have to hook someone and then leave the hook and THEN you get the ability to insta kill only 1 person. With NOED otherwise you just could go afk until all gens are done and then get some free kills from 1 up to 4. That is the part what i hate, i am a person who like it to put effort into a game/killer or game and then get my reward. But for me its not a reward and far win at all when you kill someone wiht noed. Its just an easy free kill.
For sure you can cleanse all totems and then you are save, but you dont have ALWAYS the time to cleanse totems AND do gens at the same time because sometimes the killer has to much pressure because of good mindgames, bad teammates or other reasons. And then if the killer has to much pressure you are always going for saves, heals and hide.
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Well its always easy to discribe something how it works or should work, if you really think that every game will be like that, then sorry i cant believe you in any way^^ maybe you dont get my point but thats fine, i didnt open this discussion to force ppl to my point of view.
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Bikini susie uff
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If you have survivors that are not new to this game or against this killer. they will all spread out and everyone will do a gen alone and you have no chance to spread your frenzy. Idk how often you play legion but i played after the "update" more then 3 weeks in a row and after 1 week where ppl learned how to play against him, you have no chance to get more then 1 frenzy hit because you have a big distance to the second person and will lose over 60% of your frenzy even with the sketch book. And when you are close to him then he will probably loop you around and you will probebly lose all your frenzy or maybe (if the survivor does a mistake) but in my example they didnt, i lost my frenzy and got punished for trying to play legion he is supposed to be played.
That is the same problem how it was with the old legion, on high ranks you are getting punished against good survivors when you try to spread your frenzy on multiple survivors because they are all spread out. You are forced to tunnel the 1 person until he is dead.
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What you are trying to explain is how to use the frenzy probebly but thats not the point, we are not complaining about that we cant hit with frenzy, we are complaining about how to kill a survivor. When a survivor knows how to loop then you will catch this survivor maybe in 1-3min maybe and in that time you will lose some gens. If you decide to leave this person and go to another onother one that can loop aswell (and he will) then you have the same problem over and over and over.
The lethality of Legion is the problem, it is just really unfun to run with frenzy close to the person, cancel the power and go afk for 4sec and then try to hit him, but he will find a save spot in these 4sec to loop you. So basicly you are a freddy 2.0.
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plague with coulrophobia, nurse calling, make your choice and sloppy butcher
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Well with the old legion i didnt needed to do anything of that and still got tons of 4ks without Franks mixtape or mori, thats weird right? :)
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I didnt want to call you out as an low rank player, you can clearly get alot of not experienced survivors on rank 1 too. It´s not just I find sometimes survivors like that. Many of my friends that are playing both sides with good experience find these kind of games, and obviously there you can play all killers and get 4ks.
But sometimes you get survivors who know what they are doing, and sry for saying this but when this happens you are pretty ######### as low tier killer like Legion :)
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Agree with you, i dont want to call out the devs or say something bad about them. Because we had alot of changes that was really nice and well made, just like Pop Goes the Weasel, Dark devotion or Freddy rework.
But i honestly cant think about that when they made the Legion update, that they took it srsly or thought about these changes well.
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Its obviously a opinion what Groot was saying, you cant force people to accept your opinion even if you know you are right. We all have many proofs and people that know what you mean. Just dont get to deep into these discussions.
You are right Talmeer, there were counterplay andyour guides are really nice btw, I didnt read them all and everything but that just because i dont need to learn how to play legion, because i know i am really good on him too, just like you :)
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Completly agree, this is our man!
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Thats because i said the old legion should get counterplay. And obviously Legion can be fun, but only when you play it on low ranks with survivors who dont really know how to loop or infinit.
There is no wonder why the most killers are playing only Nurse, Spirit or Billy. Because killers like Legion cant do anything against good loops, infinits and genrush.
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That´s so true, i bought Susie instantly when she was there with legion, she is my waifu and one of the best skin in this game, i only use her now as Main Menu screen killer, thats now the only usage for my Legion atm next to dailys :/
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You´re right, Myers and Pig are both rly weak too and need some love too, but luckily in the Q/A the devs said that, they are going to update them in the future.
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Well the legion that is now here could be srsly deleted.