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@meromero said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3402581#Comment_3402581
Punishing killer for playing smart is illogical and unjustified.

But punishing survivors for playing smart is logical and justified?

in The Fact that Decisive Strike get's deactivated in the Endgame is just stupid Comment by 1ettuce April 17, 2023

@Chocolate_Cosmos said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3401635#Comment_3401635
"because the survivor looped him long..." lets be real here, this doesn't happen in most matches.
why the Killer shouldn't be able to go for the same Survivor when all the objective is done? What the killer is supposed to do? Use the most effective strategy (that Survivors hate) so you can prevent all gens being done? Let all Survivors unhook each other for free, trade hooks until everyone is out?

There's a massive difference between player responsibility and dev responsibility, just bc there's nothing else for the killer to do doesn't mean that doing it should be as effective as it is

in The Fact that Decisive Strike get's deactivated in the Endgame is just stupid Comment by 1ettuce April 17, 2023

@IWasLrft2Die said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3402269#Comment_3402269
Go play killer for a while and see how this works for you (and assume DS would trigger like you want). That will show you why it doesn't work.

I have lol, as it is now I can get 1 kill or sometimes even more with basically no effort, and when I would get dsd and 4 outted it's bc I deserve it. Unless we wanna start spawning hatch at the last survivor's feet there's no reason for 4 outs to be as unrealistic as they currently are

in The Fact that Decisive Strike get's deactivated in the Endgame is just stupid Comment by 1ettuce April 17, 2023

@Sava18 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3401964#Comment_3401964
Not really well designed when it tells the survivor it's about to happen, makes end fury way way better.

I actually like that part of the perk a lot from both ends, it creates interesting situations where the survivor has to try and run out the clock but is still good when vaulting a pallet is the only option

in What Are Some Perks You’d Like To See Buffed? Comment by 1ettuce April 17, 2023

@Seraphor said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3401967#Comment_3401967
The killer has succeeded in their objective by downing a survivor, but now it becomes impossible to hook them.
That's like a survivor succeeding in repairing a generator, but now that generator explodes and doesn't count and that repair was wasted.

Maybe try going after someone who didn't just get unhooked? Why should getting as little as one hook guarantee they die as long as it's endgame? The survivors succeeded in their objective by completing all gens but as long as the killer gets a single hook boom kill like no that's ridiculous

in The Fact that Decisive Strike get's deactivated in the Endgame is just stupid Comment by 1ettuce April 17, 2023

@Seraphor said:
Because Decisive Strike during EGC makes survivors invulnerable if they go down anywhere near the exit gate.
Can't pick them up, can't leave them on the ground, they escape either way.
Counterpoint; why should you deserve a free second chance when you've already 'won' by repairing all the gens? You still have basekit BT to protect you from tunneling, so you have every opportunity to not go down immediately after getting unhooked.

"free" even tho it required getting all the gens done. also, theres no equivalent to this survivors once the killer has killed 3 ppl, the closest is hatch which isnt guaranteed and if the killer slugs for the 4k it just doesnt happen. if anything, the lack of this supposed "free second chance" is the killer getting what is ACTUALLY a free second chance as a reward for losing all the gens. winners deserve to win, shouldnt be a shocker

in The Fact that Decisive Strike get's deactivated in the Endgame is just stupid Comment by 1ettuce April 17, 2023

ill never understand this talk about "free escapes" when free kills are still a thing, not to mention the survivors did all the gens? why should they be punished? it really just doesnt make sense. the counterplay to it is not losing all the gens

in The Fact that Decisive Strike get's deactivated in the Endgame is just stupid Comment by 1ettuce April 17, 2023

@Deathslinger1of2 said:
I agree that DS should not be deactivated in EGC. As someone who mains survivor and plays regularly but is not that good, it’s frustrating to almost never live to see the 5th gen pop and EGC. I love survivor, but I am absolutely terrible at looping/escaping chase. Being chased after unhook, I often go down very quickly. I think this perk should be altered to appeal to survivors who struggle with chase. If they severely decrease the amount of activation time of the perk, I think it could work very well. If you’re a seasoned survivor who can loop easily, why would you run DS? There is no benefit for seasoned survivors to run DS if they severely shorten DS’s activation time. What benefit would they have if they can loop and escape successfully? Could they even abuse it, being able to escape easily on their own and with such a shortened activation time? It would just waste a perk slot for them. Survivors who rarely make it to EGC and aren’t good loopers, like me, could use the perk to actually be able to escape once in a while when they actually survive till EGC. Then, if they improve their looping, they will no longer need to run DS. I think this change could largely benefit newer players and regulars like me who are still not good at looping. Thoughts?

it and otr should be active in endgame imo, i dont like that the killer gets rewarded in what is literally such a dirty way for losing hte gens. but killer should be buffed in someway not even just because of this but bc of a lot of things, like base slowdown should be better, exit gates could maybe take longer or regress, whatever. but just the idea of ds/otr deactivating in endgame is just stupid to me, and as long as bt, deliverance, bubba, oni, trickster, stbfl, iri head, and pinky finger exist theres no reason to go on about this "free escape" stuff, stop the gens and gates from getting done

in Decisive Strike Comment by 1ettuce April 17, 2023

@Star99er said:
Give some ideas on what perks you would want buffed and how he would go about buffing them.
Iron Will:
Now works if you’re exhausted.
Stake Out:
reduced the amount of time required to stay hidden within the killer’s terror radius to gain a token from 15 to 13 seconds.
**Territoral Imperative:
No Longer has a cooldown and the survivor’s aura remains active while in the basement.
Gain the undetected status effect for 5/7/9 seconds when a Survivor enters the basement.

I think dissolution is p underrated and actually well designed, I just want it to not have a cooldown (it's duration is its cooldown) and for the TR condition to be replaced w something else, just qol stuff

in What Are Some Perks You’d Like To See Buffed? Comment by 1ettuce April 17, 2023

@DrFrozen said:
I can't believe that upcoming patch is going to nerf killers so hard. I mean many survivors can say that "HEY, THEY NERFED MED KITS AND COH AND EVEN DH!" but look... DH can be used also by person who saved certain survivor... It just doesn't work for only 1st chase. CoH is actually buffed... placing 2 boons grants you large area with insane healing speed boost.
CoH was trashy on PTB because of more time required to heal. With only 16 seconds 50% of extra speed is seems decent and that isn't too opressive for killer.
And so... they nerfed probably every single regression perk in the game. CoB or OC weren't too strong, they were chosen frequently because killers have no other perks but dead lock or Pain Resonace which was nerfed as well...
Probably every singe not too bad SWF will benefit from this patch and killers like the Trapper or Trickster are going to be even worse...

If you think COH is getting overall buffed idk what to say to u lmao, pain res is also still going to be good but of course coh only got buffed and pain res only got nerfed makes a lot of sense

in Killer nerf instead of survivor nerf ? Comment by 1ettuce April 15, 2023

@ProfessorDunwich said:
They will just be nerfed into the ground and added to the endless trash heap of worthless perks.

Pain res, corrupt, jolt, deadlock, blocking isnt regressing but it doesnt matter slowdown is slowdown

in No more gen regression perks Comment by 1ettuce April 15, 2023

@Ivanynakov said:
Shorter and clearer perk description..... I know that veterans remember all perks including their names but PLEASE ... not every player has 1k hours in it.
https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/NYW1LF8ZY0MY/dbd-perks-description-03.png
https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/7ZJU7WT1CXJ4/dbd-perks-description-02.png
https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/BXQW4FEKA7RS/dbd-perks-description.png

These kinda go hard damn

in lets discuss what quality of life change gets fixed next? Comment by 1ettuce April 14, 2023

@Deathstroke said:
I think 70% kill rate would be balanced. As now killer can get 2K with just few hooks because of tunneling in a match so is that kind of game balanced? I don't think so that's why I think game should not be balanced around 50% kill rate. Even with 70% kill rate I think the game would remain survivor/swf sided.

Am I missing something? Are you saying a killer should be able to get a 3k with just a few hooks because of tunneling instead of a 2k...?

in What you think would be good kill rate balance the game around. Comment by 1ettuce April 14, 2023

@KayTwoAyy said:
I don't believe anyone has ever considered Blindness to be particularly oppressive, but of the features that disproportionately hurt Solo Queue more than SWF, Blindness is right there at the top.
Therefore, in an effort to bridge that gap, should Blindness be reworked?

Absolutely and I completely agree w the top comment from the demodog. There's no reason for it to work in a way that affects solos so much and swfs so little

in Should Blindness Be Reworked? Comment by 1ettuce April 11, 2023

@Crowman said:
Dead Hard is barely getting touched.
The reason why camping and tunneling are still in the game, is because the ultimate goal for the killer is to kill survivors. Survivors cannot be allowed to have invincibility states as the killer should always have the threat of killing a survivor. Not to mention any sort of invincibility is going to end up being abused. The only way camping/tunneling would be removed would is to completely rework the game which there is really no need to do, because DBD is doing just fine as it is.

This continues to be the worst argument I see. This "killer has to kill" stuff. You do realize you can kill survivors without tunneling right? No doubt it's less effective but in a perfect world it would be most effective. Can killers not have weapons because survivors need to have the threat of surviving? There's literally never been any drop of reasoning to this "killer has to kill" point when used to defend tunneling as a game mechanic. It's a result of bad game design and needs to be changed, because dbd is NOT doing just fine as it is. Except maybe for some of you lazy killers that don't want the game to improve and just want to get easy kills

in Camping/Tunnelling Comment by 1ettuce April 10, 2023

@Dbdfan398 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3396790#Comment_3396790
You're right actually. Thats why I see it so much, and it ######### so many of my chases

Glad you agree since that isn't a point lmao

in I Feel Like People Will Never Be Satisfied With Dead Hard Comment by 1ettuce April 10, 2023

@m4x1m_000 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3396842#Comment_3396842
99 SB is about timing, because you need to 99 it first and then walk a bit. M1 chase is about bloodlusting and mindgames. What timings you mean? When I gonna swing? It’s not about timing, I can wait for hours or I can not. Keep in mind that Killer is experienced and he suppose you have DH. I would say that DH against Huntress can be about timing if you know the timing when she can throw a hatchet. But once she waits your DH it’s 50/50 or waiting for hours.

its timing/predicting your dh to when the killer m1s

in I Feel Like People Will Never Be Satisfied With Dead Hard Comment by 1ettuce April 10, 2023

@Wexton said:
Honestly I just think we'd be better off if the perk was just deleted, it's bad game design and doesn't really belong in the game like dead by daylight.

i never understood the reasoning behind this. i think the intended concept behind dh is actually very interesting 🤷‍♀️ the only problem i see w it is when theres no way to avoid it

in I Feel Like People Will Never Be Satisfied With Dead Hard Comment by 1ettuce April 10, 2023

@m4x1m_000 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3396790#Comment_3396790
In the open I can swing with my camera up so you will DH for nothing. DH is never about timing, it’s always a reaction, 50/50 or just spammed E when you realise that you did a mistake or you are in a good position for DH (corners against Huntress, for example).

to say dh is never ever about timing is just wrong. if the killer is m1 range it absolutely is about timing is it not?

in I Feel Like People Will Never Be Satisfied With Dead Hard Comment by 1ettuce April 10, 2023

@Sava18 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3396815#Comment_3396815
IT's not about balance or anything to do with the rest of the game though. Playing around it every single time is just beyond boring for me at this point. I get hit by it very rarely as well, but it still doesn't matter. If I had to play against knight 2/3rd of my games for 2 years I would drop survivor too.

How is it that much more boring than doing gens?

in I Feel Like People Will Never Be Satisfied With Dead Hard Comment by 1ettuce April 10, 2023

@Sava18 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3396657#Comment_3396657
Maybe because waiting it out is boring, every single chase. Tedious is monotonous with a slight hint of skill is all dh is now.

Even if it's every chase it's just not enough time to be so insanely boring as to alone warrant changing the perk, remember that gens take 90 seconds

in I Feel Like People Will Never Be Satisfied With Dead Hard Comment by 1ettuce April 10, 2023

@Dbdfan398 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3396787#Comment_3396787
DH is easy as ######### to time.

wrong

except against ranged killers, but in the open nah its not lol

in I Feel Like People Will Never Be Satisfied With Dead Hard Comment by 1ettuce April 10, 2023

@Dbdfan398 said:
Its completely broken at a design level. You can spend ages trying to outplay a survivor, finally do, and they get a free mistake forgiver.
Its bad design.
Like otz said, the reason its so powerful is you need to play around it even when someone doesnt have it. The only killer perk that is like that is old noed.

dh has never been "free" lol i dont understand why ppl just ignore needing to time it right. also dont forget pain res, no way out, hexes bc of haunted ground's existence. passive deterrence is allowed to exist. the real thing making dh strongest is when its actually uncounterable

in I Feel Like People Will Never Be Satisfied With Dead Hard Comment by 1ettuce April 10, 2023

@Veinslay said:
Who cares if the perk was nerfed, the perk sucked, never gave any value anyways, and was super easy to counter

not always, at pallets its hard to counter and against powers like huntress or demo or whatnot its straight up impossible to counter bc it can just be reacted to. even besides that it doesnt "suck," its very inconsistent sure, but the ability to mess with the killers head and even just have a chance to extend the chase by a LOT is still pretty strong

in I Feel Like People Will Never Be Satisfied With Dead Hard Comment by 1ettuce April 9, 2023

@Canas said:
This perk needs to be either deleted or outright gutted to be as "viable" as Mettle of Man before debates about it will finally stop.

True sadly, DH could become a B tier perk and that wouldn't be good enough for so many people for no good reason

in I Feel Like People Will Never Be Satisfied With Dead Hard Comment by 1ettuce April 9, 2023

@Iron_Cutlass said:
I feel like people will never not complain about DH because there are many elements just around the perk that make it frustrating for at least someone out there.
❎ You do not know who has it, and who does not have it, until their Exhaustion perk is revealed. Which just leads to this "just wait it out" even if it isnt there mindset.
❎ It has the ability to deny a down that you otherwise would have gotten, and unlike other Exhaustion perks, DH will always feel "cheap" to certain players.
❎ It does not matter how much you nerf the amount of times it can be used, people will still complain because the perk is "useable".
❎ It can create unfair situations. And even when the situation is fair, you will still have people throwing a hissy-fit over how the perk is unfair regardless of the situation.
I personally think the community is really overreacting to the DH changes, because it is either "over-nerfed" or "under-nerfed" depending on who you asked. You cannot please everyone, and this community is one tough crowd to please.

The last point is so true lol. People complain about the fair dh situations for no reason. I see people complain about the "waiting out" aspect as if it takes up sooo much time (even though other exhaustion perks would buy the survivor more time) or that it's sooo boring (even though it takes 10 seconds at the very very maximum, 1/9th of the time it takes to do a gen). DH could be made into a fair perk but as long as people vocally complain about the fair parts of it and ask for it to be nerfed to an F tier perk we'll just never get there

in I Feel Like People Will Never Be Satisfied With Dead Hard Comment by 1ettuce April 9, 2023

@fulltonon said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3395921#Comment_3395921
That's literally just a problem of fundamental game design and nothing needs to be balanced around camping.

Either camping needs to be fixed in a way that makes camping w stbfl not a problem or stbfl needs to be fixed in a way that has the same effect

in Save the Best for Last needs to be *adjusted* Comment by 1ettuce April 9, 2023

@SixShotOcelot said:
I sincerely appreciate the level of detail, time and energy the OP (and everyone discussing) put into this discussion. And while I generally disagree with OP, I did find it an interesting discussion. I just wanted to throw my two cents in.
OP states on various occasions that STBFL is viewed as "healthy", "balanced", but is problematic.
1st - there a variety of gameplay-aspects/perks/killer powers/etc. that most in the community find UNhealthy, NOT balanced, AND problematic. So, I think BHVR should tackle those before even glancing at STBFL.
2nd - "works on a variety of killers" - Is there not a plethora of more controversial perks that do as well? Any and all gen regression/slow down? Aura revealing? NOED? Why is this only a STBFL issue?
3rd - Good on strong killers (despite good for weak killer argument) - Aren't most things strong on strong killers? Multiple perks are strong on weak/bottom tier killers and strong killers. Like any gen regression/slow down. Some killer's kits have more synergy with these perks but that's more based on the nuance of their power and the perk. Additionally, isn't half the fun the unique interactions between killer perks and powers. We know what not unique perk+power interactions look like. (Old Ex: Ruin, Undying, Corrupt, NOED; New Ex: Overcharge, CoB, Corrupt, Scourge PR literally on every killer)
4th - completely stomps solo players - this is literally just a blanket issue with the game. Why address it only with this perk? I feel it is rather common knowledge that soloq is the weakest role. This should be addressed outside of perks (as they did with HUD).
5th - makes camping and tunneling completely free - As many pointed out, this is not true. However, even if it were, the issue is camping and tunneling not the perk. Similar to soloq, camping and tunneling should be addressed directly, outside of perks changes.
I only have constructive criticism of the arguments provided. I have no constructive feedback on how STBFL should be changed because in my opinion, it shouldn't be.
I think anyone can take an aspect of something that can be improved and call it problematic, regardless of that thing being in a good place or not. Everything can be improved. However, I feel in the context of the game in present day, calling STBFL problematic is quite the exaggeration. That being said, if OP feels it is, they are valid in their feelings.
My concluding question is:
Why is OP choosing STBFL address issues they have with the game when these issues are not isolated to only STBFL?
Thanks again for the STBFL talk!!!

First of all I appreciate you being constructive, it's been hard to come across that sorta thing as you might've been able to tell... Let me just explain, I know as well as anyone that there are things more problematic than STBFL. I chose to make a post about it however because I feel the issues with it (or with the game that it adds to) are often overlooked. Since other problematic things are already talked about quite a bit, enough for BHVR to recognize them for example, I don't want to see STBFL get completely ignored. I agree with the 4th and 5th points, but I don't see many options for making this perk easier for solos to deal with besides adding voice chat or giving the obsession a notification of the perk. Basically what I'm saying is, if you ignore the problems this perk has with camping/tunneling/solos and instead change those things separately, that's fine, but it must be made sure that the way those things are changed also makes those problems with STBFL less problematic. Does that make any sense? I feel like I'm not wording this perfectly but basically I generally agree with you, just didn't want to see this perk continue to get such a massive pass from what I've seen.

in Save the Best for Last needs to be *adjusted* Comment by 1ettuce April 8, 2023

@fulltonon said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3395557#Comment_3395557
That's not a problem, there is a way to camp lot better but that hasn't been considered a problem.

Both are a problem

in Save the Best for Last needs to be *adjusted* Comment by 1ettuce April 8, 2023

@Caiman said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3395213#Comment_3395213
Works good on a variety of killers
The fact you list this as a problem is hilarious. As if a killer perk being universally appealing is somehow a bad thing. It's not.
Killers with special attack flexibility deny the obsession of the intended counterplay
Killers having to use their powers to work around a downside is not a bad thing either. It demands more skill of the killer player and they're rewarded for it. No, the Obsession is not supposed to throw themselves onto the killer's weapon to deny the perk's power, that's stupid to even imply that any survivor is obligated to get themselves killed.
Completely stomps solo players
Completely irrelevant to anything at all. It works just as fine on SWFs as it does on SoloQ players. And again, no, the Obsession is not supposed to get themselves killed just to deny the perk.
Makes camping and tunneling extremely free
The usual non-argument made about literally anything a killer does to make you lose the game. Bringing this up is how I know you're just really sour about losing to a killer running this perk.

I didn't last that as a problem, I just mentioned it because people claim it "only works on the weaker killers" despite that being untrue
Actually yeah, they are. It's the entire point of the token loss part of the perk lol.
More source trust me bro despite it being objectively better against solos than swfs
Still not a non-argument, still is a problem. I can tell you just think anyone who thinks anything on the killer side is problematic is just salty lol