If you DC against Nurse, YOU are the problem
There is effectively, ZERO reason to disconnect when the match just started. People constantly say "Well, the Nurse is overpowered" The issue is, you could at the very least stay in the match and try to improve, instead of immediately leaving. Am I saying Nurse has counter play? No, in fact I whole-heartedly agree that she needs to be nerfed. However, by disconnecting from the match you remove any chance of winning your team could've had. Even if Nurse has no counter play, there are still ways to hold time and get gens done. Don't disconnect simply because you can't learn how to play against her.
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You quoted me first, but you've been substance free long prior to this. Again, when you say something of merit I am sure you'll be worth engaging with.
Until then, fret about yourself, not me.
Yeah, good idea.
That would be nice. And hey, at the same time wouldn't it be grand if the same 4 or 5 names defending nurse in every thread posted their own gameplay? You know, just so we can see their dismal gameplay and acknowledge that the reason they think nurse is okay is because they don’t know how to play her?
Funny how they keep dodging that.
The stats show Dredge and Plague as 1% and 2% above the average kill rate. How on earth is that massively overperforming?
Where is this evidence that nurse is fine? It has already been proven that the stats mean nothing when it comes to nurse.
There isn't a single piece of evidence that suggests she is fine.
I have no idea who that SWF team is. But how am I ignoring them? SWF is broken/imbalanced at the top level too. Didn't think I'd say that? I'm not a survivor main. I’m not a killer main. I want each side to have balance, something many players in this thread simply cannot say.
Trapper is 3 percent below average.
You heard it here first. Trapper is not underperforming!
Dredge and Plague are both lower mid-tier. They are shown on the stats to be top tier. Yes, they are massively overperforming according to these stats that nurse mains are clinging to as 'proof' nurse is fine.
It hasn't been proven that the stats are invalid. The devs have cautioned that the stats for the Killers aren't the complete picture but the stats are not invalid. The stats are telling a story and that story does not support your narrative. Just because the stats don't say what you want them to say doesn't mean it's invalid.
So, once again, where is your proof and at what level is Nurse broken? It's not at low and mid MMRs, it's not at the top 5% of MMR, so at what level is Nurse broken? And, if that level is only a small subset of players why should their opinions override everyone else's? Part of the reason DbD is successful while so many other similar games have failed is because they want players at all skill levels to have fun.
So, once again, where is your evidence apart from the best players, both as Killers and as Nurse, win a lot which is to be expected and where exactly is a Nurse an issue if there is no issue seen in over 95% of MMR?
You are completely missing the point. I would agree that Nurse is the best killer in the game. My point is that Nurse is not doing anything special, even at top level mmr. The way people talk on this forum, you would expect her kill rate at top level to be 90%. That is clearly not the case and you have no way of arguing around that. If you are saying we should nerf her because of .01% of Nurse mains are dominating, then the whole game should be balanced on that. You can’t pick and choose.
The difference is that I have nothing to prove.
I haven't asserted anything.
On the other hand, the people who are complaining are saying that the nurse is too strong.
In that case, let them show us how they play against her.
Why would they have a problem with that?
These posts. Right now. Proving the devs right when they said to take the stats with a giant grain of salt.
It has been explained why nurse does not mesh well with stats, and here these posters are using those same stats to say she is fine.
D/c's not being included, console users being included, and players at high MMR learning nurse MASSIVELY reduce her kill rate.
You know literally none of that because the devs have not said anything about it….it’s 100% speculation on your part, not evidence
You’re conflating two different things. The stats show Dredge and Plague as performing extremely close to average. They are only overperforming in the sense that they show higher than your personal opinions of where they should be performing.
We have an MMR system that is specifically trying to push all the killers towards the same average kill rate. We also have an MMR soft cap that purposely tries to separate the top MMR killers from being in the same match as the top MMR survivors.
These player made tier lists, that theorize on what is supposed to happen when the top competitive killers fight the top competitive survivors, aren’t practical or useful, except for custom games where people are purposely making competitive matches.
Uh... They said d/cs are not included. Console users are included. The third one is obvious..
So, yeah, I know all of that?
In fact, all this is just a lot of hot air.
Everyone knows very well that the real killer, the only one, the only one, the beast that everyone fears, and that haunts the stories that we tell to children who make mistakes ...
The engeance of nightmares, the supreme demon, the unspeakable ...
The trickster.
DCs should not be included because they taint the data. Also, how do you know the players at high MMR are learning Nurse? Do you have any stats or evidence to back up your claim? It seems pretty far-fetched to me that players who are in the top 5% of MMR never touched Nurse and managed to get their MMR so high that their brand new Nurse was also in the top 5% of MMR and they exist in enough quantities to reduce the kill rate by more than a slight amount if at all.
The 5% MMR wasn't this is the top 5% by PC, then by console, then by soft cap, it was the top 5% period. The console players on it were obviously good enough on console they could get in the top 5% of MMR.
You have no proof or evidence that anything you're suggesting is more than pure speculation. Killers have separate MMRs so the Nurses included in the top 5% were Nurses in the top 5% period. If you want to speculate that's fine but it's just speculation and nothing more.
So you counter my 'speculation' with a whole heap of your own speculation. Okay?
Stop talking about the nurse.
Next to the trickster, the nurse is just a cute pokemon with big kitten eyes 🤗😊
Yes, my speculation is speculation. As BHVR does lower the MMR for Killers you've never tried it makes it unlikely that there are sufficient players that are so high in MMR that their MMR for a Killer they've never touched would still be in the top 5% and that they would exist in such large quantities that they could massively reduce the kill rates of a Killer with a 6.18% pick rate at the top 5% MMR especially in a game with as many players as DbD.
My speculation is speculation but it seems more reasonable than your speculation that there are these hordes of new Nurse players whose Nurses also happen to be in the top 5% of MMR even though they never touched the Killer and a new Killer has a lower MMR than your main Killer.
The next would Blight, as for the rest TLDR.
Not you trying to change the subject
Starstruck is so busted on Nurse. Literally broken
Agreed.
As over powered as nurse is I 100% agree.
nurse is needed to increase skill cap of survivors.
if you don’t try against a nurse you never get better. That is the problem with nurse honestly. Yes she is overpowered and super strong, so is blight, for pc players anyways. But if you never face them you never get better. Give any PC player enough enough games agianst either killer and they will become better at facing them, and in return become better better at beating less strong killers.
she is 100% needed at her current state cause it’s either hard to beat her or a walk in the park
I've played against her for far too long. I've become... jaded with her on both ends of the spectrum being it playing as or against her even with the skill I have for both sides.
They just say these things because they don't have the skills to beat a killer they can't clown. Nurse is fine.
Name 3 effective things to use to counterplay her. I'll wait
Unpredictable pathing
LOS blockers
Gen rush
Normal nurse? I play.
Nurse with Starstruck, Lethal, AA and Darkness Revealed on Midwich? No. But I will die on hook and not DC.
1) OK.
2) what do you do on Autoheaven?
3) OK in a swf, but solo? You can't count on random doing gens.
Never mind, I just make it my own
The chart just to show Nurse appearance zone will always cover survivor zones. And this is not yet counting 2m lung at 150% speed, at the end of both blink.
And yet every nurse tries to claim the huge buff nurse received (less distance gained by survivor after taking a hit) wasn't meaningful at all. Funny, that.
Unpredictable pathing and LOS break means nothing to a good nurse. Relies more on the nurse being bad at blinking than you being unpredictable/puttig walls against them.
Gen rush should not be considered counter, as you cant expect every game to be matched with a gen rushing focused team. And thats without considering the nurse having pain res, deadlock, eruption, etc
I would not say someone aims a gun at me, missing a shoot and then I say "Im so good at dodging". Nope, its because the gunner isnt skilled enough.
This is the same case when vs Nurse. You dont dodge her, she misses you.
50sec Gen is the huge buff on Nurse.
Less distance gain isnt, she only need a single blink then back to the chase.
You know, i was thinking the exact same analogy. Imagine if i am asking someone what to do if someone points a gun on me and the other says:
"Easy, you can look at the barrel of the gun and start dodging bullets" or
"Well, why dont you try to catch the bullets mid-air?"
So what there aren't many god nurses. YOU WON'T BEAT A GOD NURSE OR A GOD BLIGHT... DEAL WITH IT. You got 100 other garbage killers to deal with. Nurse is at the top 1% for a reason... She controls the match. Survivors cry any time they don't control everything. Nurse gets stomped in comp which still shows she's not scary.
You don't need to be a "god" nurse to be carried entirely by a broken ass build. Try playing her without add-ons, stacked slowdowns, exposed perks, let's see how you perform
Maybe i will lose to a god blight, but he would still have to go through the mechanics that survs have in chase like PALLETS, or WINDOWS or FLOOR DIFFERENCE.
And Even if there were 100 or 10000 or a million killers that are garbage it does not change the problems with nurse. I was never against in buffing weak killers like trappers.
"She controls the match"
EXACTLY, she has so little counterplay compared to anyone else because her power literally bypass anything the surv can use in a normal chase situation, plus the blink attack proc'ing perks like starstruck, jolt, sloppy, NOED makes it even worse. That leaves you with 99% of the duration of chases being defined by how well she uses her blinks rather than anything a surv can hope to do.
"Nurses gets stomped in comp"
That is not true, there are several players with high kill streak that have clearly faced comps and won anyway. And even if what you said was true, it should not be a REQUIREMENT for me to have 3 COMP SWAT SQUAD with me anytime i play because one killer is clearly stronger than the rest.
And if i should, then bhvr should create 'SWF MODE' and lock nurse behind it so she stops murdering soloQ players when she clearly is not balanced around them.
"nurse gets stomped in comp"
In reality: in comp she is banned the most, has the most addon restrictions, which negatively affect her much more than other killers (most killers are allowed two addons and one or no rarity restrictions - nurse usually is allowed only one weak addon) and yet still is a commonly used killer in comp, performing well.
So, yeah..the opposite of stomped.
Get better at the game... Nurse isn't getting nerfed. She's fine and has a high skill ceiling.
A game mode that would make me howl with laughter would be a Killer VS Killer mode 😋
I WANT to see two nurses fighting each other 🤣😂
Says the player with the nurse pfp 🤣
This is part of her problem though, nurse games are never balanced and very tedious one way or the other. Either the player is iffy at nurse and the game is short, and we get hardly any altruism points. Or it's a good nurse player and there is little to no counter play to someone who is properly good at hitting blinks.
I don't find either of those types of games enjoyable, and it's unbalanced that a skilled nurse will smash all but the best survivor squads because she is so hard to counterplay.
The only skill ceiling Nurse has to master is basic Survivor movement prediction. You know, the same thing every killer has to master, except with the added restraints of not ignoring literally everything that isn't basic Survivor movement. She's got the predictive skill curve of an M1 killer but the skill curves of tile and map knowledge are almost entirely nullified for her. She is one of the easiest killers in the game because she has some of the fewest things to learn.
Looking forward to that stream of your 100 win streak then.
Your comment is pathetic.
I myself have done a 700 win streak with the Nemesis ...
Ok, it was against my own zombies .... SO WHAT, IT COUNTS, RIGHT? 🤣🤣🤣
Definitely
This right here is 100% true. Being a nurse main, watching plenty of pro nurse mains, everything you said is true. The good not even the best swf or even just the really good solo survivors all can make nurse pay dearly for the slightest mistakes. Most nurse matches are high risk/reward for both sides. I've seen plenty of swf and soloq cook nurses easily but then again that boils down to everything you said about learning the killer strengths weaknesses and all. You'll never learn how to counter any killer if you constantly DC. Some matches are going to be sweaty AF and others are going to be chill but each is a learning experience none the less
Chuckles
Based.
Nurse isn't the best killer in the game. Garbage team mates are.