David's opened the door, is anyone else going to follow?
At the risk of opening a can of worms... (because we all know how these threads like to attract the "less than helpful" posts)
We have 30 survivors. That's a pretty sizable roster, and covers a diverse selection of individuals, different ethnicities and religions, and now, sexualities too. Statistically, it would not be unusual for there to be 2-4 other non-heterosexual characters within that number.
So there's room for more LGBT+ representation, that wouldn't be out of place.
So who would you like it to be?
Existing characters, or new characters?
Gay? Bi? Is there scope for trans?
And why?
I think Yui Kimura would make a good option. Gay, bi or pan.
Kicked out of her home for flouting her mothers preferred gender stereotypes, joins up with an all-girl biker gang with a side mission of protecting women from stalkers and abusers. There's more than enough room in there for a romance with one of her biker pals. Sure it falls into a couple stereotypes, but sometimes stereotypes are true, and these aren't exactly negative ones, they're empowering ones.
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As a hardcore YuiRin ship, I confirm
I couldn’t care less about the sexuality about any character.
i DO care about equal treatment though. And since heterosexuality was featured in this game since the very beginning it’s just fair that there is some kind of LGBTQ+ representation.
i said too bad because you said you would prefer it otherwise. You know.. it seems like you care about this just as well :)
Many would approve, even Oni
What are you talking about?
Something seems different
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People who talk down on him for being gay forget that he could beat their ass for talking #########.
Uhh honey, this is a video game with plenty of lore and story telling. Let the creators tell the story’s they want and it won’t affect gameplay as it hasn’t since the beginning (well outside of fitting perk names and themes i guess).
Move on and you have a great day too
Video games are an art form and, regardless on if you choose to acknowledge it or not, art will always reflect the views of the creator on issues at the time.
Ace is Ace.
Video games are an art form. They just are.
I feel like this is the best choice, I’d rather scrub most lore that mentions the character’s preferences and just leave that part to the imagination
Then have fun scrubbing lore all the way back to August 2016
What, changing a few lines of text for each character? Pay me in blood points and I’ll do it haha
More like rewriting The Nurse entirely to attempt to keep the main theme of sympathetic villain while removing her husband, the reason for her move to the Asylum in the first place. Probably need more than a few lines rewritten for her
Not really, replace husband with partner…
It wouldn’t change the fact that everyone knew how it was initially revealed and actually intended though.
these characters are established characters with well defined story’s/lives, that we discover through backstory’s and tome in pieces (and never complete). Part of these are relationships, and that also includes romantic or sexual relationships.
BHVR has stated clearly that this is the way they want to tell their stories. It’s actually pretty rude to ask them to erase part of their stories just because someone doesn’t want them to exist when they are not harming anyone with it..
But don’t wanna move on, thank you very much :)
(and clearly you don’t want to too otherwise you would have just not responded anymore)
I feel like this is why the community thinks David Kings lore was changed just for PR then
I'm not sure I'd say most pathetic- Undertale and FNAF instantly spring to mind- but I'll agree it's definitely not great 🕳️🏃🏻
What exactly do you think was changed though?
all I know about is they added lore and expanded it. There was no change going on and no retconn.
It would be nice if the next lgbt character was a person of color. Someone with a more relatable background for some of us. Yui would be fine. Just don't do Jake xx 😂
Big words from someone who hasn’t said anything meaningful on this topic at all :)
bye (and let’s hope you actually hold your word)
you are using the term ‚probably‘ and ‚most likely‘ wrong: just because you assume something or wish it was true doesn’t make it likely in any way
also pretty much no one was screeching at all 😂 someone on Twitter talked reasonably with the devs iirc and the devs have revised their stance on this topic admitting they have been unfairly treating the topic in the past unintentionally.
I’m not sure about every character, but I’ve always personally viewed Claudette as being Asexual. She reminds me a lot of a girl I used to go to school with (both in looks and personality) and I recently found out that she is in fact, Asexual.
Am I onto something? 👀
I think DBD may be based on your life.
I would be very concerned. Watch out for fog...
Well now that you mention it, me and The Observer have never been spotted in the same room before…
First off I really appreciate BHVR for (finally) implementing LGBT+ rep and putting the work into it, and i hope they do it again.
However, did they really have to pick the shirtless hot white dude people thirst over and make his first post coming-out cosmetic "flashy bartender" about being trendy and loving the dancefloor when he's just been a pub lad until now..? it took them 3 years and a collab to come up with this...
I'm happy it happened and i hope it happens again but i also hope it won't be the tomboy-ish white girl (Nea) or the extravagant dude (Ace). I'm not against them being LGBT+ (on the contrary), I just hope they also confirm "less cliché" characters first.
Also when they add new rep, I hope don't dedicate an entire tome to it or even make a big statement, i'd like more casual rep implemented (like Feng Min's tome saying she has a gilfriend like felix's wife is mentionned for example).
Anyway here's the characters I'd like to be confirmed:
Feng Min - Lesbian
Jeff - Transgender
Nea - Bisexual
Jake Park - PanAce or AroAce or/and Transgender (idk he's just chilling in the woods he could be anything)
(Also Ace & Yui and more than half the characters aren't cishets in my head lmao)
Actually, at this point, I don't think he would. He has already overcome his insecurities, he would not feel the need to lash out against anyone who insults him, he would just shrug it off.
I think he would be much more likely to kick your butt for insulting his friends, though.
Interesting choices
To be fair, it is in David’s case truly important for his story. It is also important for Nurses lore that she was married to her husband and that she lost him. These are experiences and struggles in their lore that making them the characters that they are!
i agree BHVR should never just go out of their way to randomly going out the Rowling way and announce the sexual orientation/identity of every character just for the sake of it :)
I like to imagine all survivors in the campfire together, like a safe heaven in the middle of hell
The obvious.
Eh that's just anybody.
Well atleast me.
Lemme catch you talking down on my friends and I can't promise I will control my anger.
She might be next
Definitely a thought at the back of the mind.
Which community thinks that? Are you generalising?
How would you go about implementing sincere representation in a way that doesn't seem like just PR then? You might start by discussing how to do so with a community of LGBT+ gamers. Funnily enough, that's what they did.
If anything about this seems "just PR" I can agree the tweet announcing it was out of the ordinary, as they don't typically announce lore details in that way. However it was a detail that the community in question would want to know about.
Maybe a less grating method would have been to announce it in a tweet a little while after it was available to read. Say, today for instance. "Btw guys, you might have noticed... blah blah, we worked with GaymerX to... etc.".
I wouldn't be so harsh to call people weirdos, but yeah. Probably
Make a new and unique character with their own personality and style. Something that feels more genuine and intentional from the start.
Yes lets lock the first LGBT+ character behind a paywall so it looks like you're only doing it for profit, and have them LGBT+ right off the bat so that defines their entire character...
This is why you converse with the community instead of just doing the first thing that pops into your head.
I read that the first day I found out David was gay. That response is not taken seriously by me.
I'll bring the taboo up again "free content".
I'd potentially buy the character anyway.
If it was a new character it would feel like tokenism.
How isn't it?
Here's a question: Hypothetically, is it possible to create a new character in this regard that follows the same beats as David? Hard, gruff no-nonsense brawler dude who is actually in the closet? If so, how is that meaningfully different from taking an established hard, gruff no-nonsense brawler dude and establishing that they're actually in the closet? If not, why not?
Of course hypothetically speaking it would be possible. It'd be meaningfully different because we'd know 100% it was intended to be that way and not something they only decide after the fact. The fact being "we want to add in a LGBT character into the game."
Is that really a meaningful difference, provided that the quality of the added lore is roughly the same in both cases? If the goal is the same, the reasoning behind it is the same, and the end product is the same, how does the difference in execution matter?
Shows effort. I do think the intention of something shows how serious it can be.
In the battle, I just think the new character would be superior in most cases and reasoning.
Yui as lesbian/bi/pan would be pretty sweet and would fit her lore nicely as well.
Heck, every single character can be LGBT+.
It’s way more effort to write a story like this for an established character, as you need to make it believable and be careful not to change the character or write contradicting stuff - and they actually accomplished that. It would have been lazy if they did it the Rowling way: slap it as a label on an existing character without actually having it be in the story.
in the end, it doesn’t matter though. Both existing and new characters are fictional characters and the creators can expand their stories how they think they fit. They have also already confirmed there will be more LGBTQ+ chars - for both existing and new ones possible.
I'm not one to care for any romantic subplots. Straight or gay.
Pre existing like RE7 with Ethan and his wife? Okay.
A subplot you can develop during game that can also seem forced to give the character a romantic interest, like a game released a few months earlier? Unnecessary.