Which addons should be nerfed in your opinion?
I just want to know which addons (survivor/killer) would you nerf. If you want you can add why and how. The reason doesnt need to be that they are too strong.
My list:
Survivor: BNP (Toolbox), Styptic (Medkit)
Killer: Mother Daughter Ring (Spirit), Tombstone piece (Myers), Tampered timer (Pig), Pinky Finger (Clown), Engineers Fang (Cenobite)
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seeing how survivor mains will still lose to no perks clown with no addons, I don’t think anything need nerf, survivor mains will just blame their teammates for losing lol, I play both sides as well survivor addons are strong asf too just look at keys lol
I already said that it wasn't my intention to do so and dropped the subject so with all due respect please don't instruct me as to how and what I should post.
Rusty Shackles, Pinky Finger, Alchemist’s Ring, Tampered Timer, All-Seeing Blood, Scalped Topknot, Nurse range add ons, all Spirit duration add ons. Then buff a ton of the ######### add ons that nobody uses because they’re bad.
BNP could also do with a small nerf (deletes toolbox on use maybe? Reduce to 15%? Not sure). Also Weaved Ring and Milky Glass. Then delete or rework a ton of the ######### survivor add ons that nobody uses because they’re bad. They clog up the bloodweb so either buff or rework.
Survivor: Brand New Part
Killer:
Mint Rag and Rusty Shackles (Hag)
Mother Daughter Ring and Yakuyoke Amulet (Spirit)
All Seeing - Blood (Wraith)
Engineer's Fang (Pinhead)
Redhead's Pinky Finger (Clown)
Tombstone Piece and Fragrant Tuft Of Hair (Myers)
Scalped Topknot (Oni)
I only replied to your first post. And i honestly dont care if i shouldnt instruct you. I know that i cannot force you, thats why i said please. But if you still insist that my reply was unneccesary or even rude, i cant help you.
Alchemist ring and mother daughter ring
I'm not trying to fight, I have no reason to have anything against you. I was just saying that I already acknowledged that I wasn't trying to hijack your thread. I apologize if you felt that I was, but I don't like being told how to post. Let's just call it even.
This is balance,lol.
Kinda weird how people want blight’s ring nerfed when nurse has the exact same thing but better with the recharge/fatigue combo or double recharge
I dont think you wanted to hijack the thread. Im just long enough on this forum to know what can happen after one comment. So i inform people about it. You did the right thing with stopping it from escalating without needing my comment, but i had many threads where the opposite happened. It can escalate quickly, suddenly many people are involved and nobody can stop it anymore. But as i can see you seem to have it experienced yourself.
I don't see why I've been tagged in this. Unless I missed something this doesn't include any use of BNP. Also they are sacrificing a full build to do 1 gen really fast. No meta perks, all for 1 gen.
Which is why I proposed the change that you can only kill a fully stalked target.
This would make it so that you dumbass teammate gets killed for her behavior.
scalped topknot
or they should at least increase the rarity
Giving clown access to instadowns is dumb because that’s one of his major weaknesses that can be completely negated by a single add on that isn’t even hard to use
Perhaps but when I really want to win with Clown....I am not bringing PF. I am bringing Ether/Flask of Bleach and watching you move in slow motion meanwhile STBL building up.
People really don't understand that certain add-ons are meant to be strong. Even OP in some cases. It seems like most people want add-ons to barely have any effect. How boring.
Literally. Addons are meant to give big changes to the killers. And I think Blight has the best ones.
For example Blight can go from a Buldozer with both iri addons to a faster scratched mirror Myers with vigo’s journal and compound 21, or even be the fastest killer in the game ! But every addon has disadvantages, as they should. With the first combination it takes time to get your power back since you’ll want value out of Tag, with the second one you’ll lose a lot of pressure while gaining the stealth ability and aura reading, and it’ll be hard to control him with the last one. I must also say that I find ring to be balanced, as you’ll have to analyze the environment quickly to get value out of it, even if it means that you’ll be lethal in dead zones, while also knowing when to use or not your power. And it shouldn’t be a problem since people playing nurse can run fatigue/recharge addons, but that’s my take on the subject.
What’s the drawback of alchemist ring?
Sorry, if you really think you lose games because of any Survivor Add-On... I mean, for me, they can nerf all of the mentioned ones, IF they would clean up the Survivor Bloodweb to bring it on par with the Killer Bloodweb. Survivors have so much Junk in their Bloodwebs, they can keep some good Add Ons. OR we do nothing to Killer Add-Ons, but add 40 useless Slots to Killer Bloodwebs. This would be fair as well. Not in a good way, but it would be fair.
Mmm.
Survivors: bnp, blood ember, speed healing addons for medkits those make medkits insane especially if it's a green one or purple.
Killer: all seeing purple, mdr, alchemist ring, top knot, rusty shackles, I would say tombstone but it is needed for achievements/trophies.
But with the current meta, let's not give killers nerfs
It’s an addon that’s supposed to reward you for good plays and predictions. You win, and you get value. As simple as that. And it’s not like it already takes no time to get your tokens back. It’s kinda like nurse with recharge and fatigue addons except it’s a reward instead of a simple QOL change.
I like crow ring more but this one seems fun, I’ll definitely try it out
I agree with the essence of your post, but that is the wrong approach. You can’t simply buff everything and hope it works. Sometimes you need to throw in a nerf to an add-on when a power is buffed in order to avoid something becoming oppressive.
Like Demo’s recent change. They made Rat Liver not as strong but buffed his base kit so he’s not dependent on it.
A change they could do with a weak killer like Trapper is have him start with half his traps, but rework the bag add-ons so they don’t stack/don’t give as many. Just spitballing here as an example.
Ok. :) You can toss away any argument by just claiming the other person is biased, if this is the way to go, feel free.
I simply dont care about those. Survivors have 3 times as much stuff in the Bloodweb than Killers and they should also have some good things in the Bloodweb. Either you keep the good things (which are not many, come on) or you reduce the number of Junk if you nerf the good Add-Ons.
And I dont really care if I play against a BNP or anything, last time 3 Survivors brought BNPs I got a 3K and other than that, I almost never see those.
But thank you that you want to admit that Killers have bullshit Add-Ons. Huge step and completely unbiased!
the hell does wooden horse do again?
Its for a beginner nurse. You dont extend your fatigue with a missed hit.
Nah. But as I said, Survivors should keep their good stuff. But calling me biased because I dont think that Survivor Add-Ons (aside from Key Add-ons, but those will be changed) are that problematic is nonsense.
And for me, they can nerf BNPs, I dont care at all. But if they nerf the only good Toolbox-thingy in the game, they should really consider if Survivors need 6 different Toolboxes and 11 different Add-Ons which are all weak in the game.
I like the toolbox. Sabo is a nice option, but i wouldnt use it for that normally. Its better to use them to finish a gen to counter pop/ruin/tinkerer. Do you know the math how much seconds a toolbox can safe? You cant compare it to the old toolbox, but its still useful. Some addons are useless and should be changed.
Calling Sabo "a nice option" is quite generous. Sabotage by default has to be weak. IMO it would be enough to have two Toolboxes and a handful of Add Ons. But you cannot really expect Survivors to have 60 things in the Bloodweb and nerf the few good things they have.
At this point, Survivor Bloodwebs would just be done for Perks, there is really little value in doing them and nerfing Add-Ons further would just increase that.
I personally almost never use items bc its my handicap. So i cant really understand your problem, bc if i want to use something, i have plenty of it. Before i started to play addonless on killer, i had this problem on some killer. Bc there are some with mostly useless addons, so you only use the same. So i think both sides have the same problem.
Each map offerings makes it worse for green rarity and i have it easier to get iridescent keys than the purple ones. But maybe the devs dont want you to always use the same stuff. So they are happy with the current state and im fine with that. What are the things you rarely get?
I also dont use Items (unless a Challenge forces me to do or when I prestige). But, Killers only have a third of what Survivors have in their Bloodwebs, while gaining 30-50% more BPs each game AND have an easier access to Bonus-BPs with BBQ compared to WGLF. So trying to get a specific Add-On for Killer is easier than getting specific Add-Ons for Survivors.
You can really delete a few Toolboxes, some of their Add-Ons, every Flashlight-Add-On except for Batteries and Low-Amp Filament, some Medkit Add-Ons, some Map-Add-Ons (in fact, only the Iridescent Map and Add-Ons which prolong the use or show the Auras/the Beam to all Survivors are really useful, the rest can go).
But unless this happens, I dont really think that any Survivor Add-On should be nerfed.
In my opinion both things have nothing to do with each other. And they dont need to nerf strong things into the ground. They can still be useful.
Silent bell is overrated.
My favorite is rimg with iri tag.
I’m sorry but I disagree, Brand new part is kind of problem for killers. I mean I know that while playing them all you have to do pressure gens. But like others said it can be difficult especially when multiple survivors on each gen with multiple tool boxes. Like many others have said that brand new part does need a nerf. For killers I say I probably go with all seeing blood, alchemist ring, topknot, rusty shackles.I mean I don’t really play Hag at all but from what I experience with those add ons I said they could use a little tweak. Oni and Blight are killers I don’t play very much but I kind of understand what others were coming from. But anyway this is my opinion on the subject matter. Thank you and have a nice day.
Very short list but i would nerf
Charge addons for medkits
Charge addons for toolboxes
Even as a blight main i would say alch ring but reverting it back to its ptb state (Green rarity but +20% token regen rate instead of getting all tokens back on a hit)
based brimp
NO MITHER
Any add-on that gives survivor or killer wall hacks
Killers: None
Survivors: BNP
Jigsaw's sketch + crate of gears is just as deadly as (if not more than) Tampered Timer + crate of gears/jigsaw's sketch. The pig doesn't need her traps nerfed, survivors just need to learn to not heal before going to check jigsaw boxes. Sloppy butcher, Jigsaw's sketch + crate of gears almost always results in death if the survivor heals before checking boxes.
I don't know if it's fair to specifically target nerfing addons, because it focuses much more on killers than it does survivors. If we're going to nerf a bunch of addons, we should also consider taking away standing fast vaults at pallets.
Clown: Instadown Finger & increased slowdown
Blight: Instapalletbreaker & Instatoken regeneration
Myers: infinite Tier 3 & Tumbstones
Survs: every single item
Personally I'd nerf every toolbox and flashlight add on.
Fragrant Tuft of Hair has to stay for the Evil Incarnate achievement.
All-Seeing just needs it's radius reduced, imo.
Iri Puzzle Box should be basekit, I said it.
Swap the Amulet and Mother-Daughter Ring for Spirit.
Oh and Blight's Speed add-ons are chilling but Alchemist's Ring must perish.
They can change achievements if they are no longer possible to get. FTOH, and both tombstone add-ons, can be changed for game health.
I saw someone mention that All-Seeing Blood should stop the aura reveal while uncloaking, and I agree. It gives more use to the Blink set of add-ons and removes one of my biggest gripes with the add-on.
Iri Puzzle Box can be basekit when solo has any form of coordination. Until then, no.
Swapping the rarities does absolutely nothing to change the power level of the add-ons. They both need a complete change.
Blight's speed add-ons aren't the biggest issue that I agree to, but it's a personal gripe due to just how often I see them combined with the Basic ######### Blight Build™. If that build goes then I have no issues with it, but don't give him a way to react to the Tinkerer procs faster.
That's the excuse that's always been given when people ask them to change the Adept requirements. "We can't change achievements" or something similar. I also think FTOH is fine, but Tombstone Piece isn't. Judith's Tombstone is also fine.
That could be a good compromise for All-Seeing.
Which will never happen, forever damning Pinhead.
I didn't mean rarities, I meant I think the Amulet is fine and Mother-Daughter Ring is way more nutty.
I'm honestly fine with every Blight add-on (except Adrenaline Vial because holy ######### its bad) but that's probably because there are few good Console Blight's and they aren't as good as PC players.