Nerf Dead Hard's Distance
People just milk that perk harder now than DS, or add it(DS) in still. People all over the place know the memo that half the time you don't use it to dodge a hit, you use it to gain that stupid distance that changes everything in a chase.
I really don't think it should have 2 really strong benefits in one perk. Just another reason survivors copy and paste the same build
EDIT: another reason i believe this is because i've seen people dead hard to reach a blinding spot when that's not it's purpose at all. It's too strong imo
FYI: Dead hard did not have a distance gain on release
EDIT2: Someone suggested an interaction lock for 1.5 seconds after the use as to not give the survivor power to save themselves and body block ontop of it to win every scenario a killer may have against them. With the speed of gens and the power DH uses to restart chases almost into it's own infinite IMO.
someone suggested Maybe Give it one use like DS or 3 Tokens of use. Talk about high risk high reward, you can do it over and over with dh
Lastly, they changed Sprint burst wayy back when because it was too powerful to click a button and choose when you need the distance gain/5seconds of speed. DH is like a sister that gives you a tiny leap and immunity to dmg at the click of a button. If DH didn't protect you against dmg this topic would be a different story.
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All they had to do was say "i don't agree" in that case lol
I mean someone said "its not that much distance" when it saves you and restarts a chase more than half the time. It's a big problem and gives survivors too much of an edge
The problem with DH is when it's used to get to a pallet or window. Imo just lock survivors interactions for 2 seconds.
The intended purpose of the perk was to avoid taking a hit.
This would be the same like removing distance.
The intended purpose is to do a Dash. This is even in the Perks description. The secondary part is that you are invincible while doing the Dash.
Hence the purpose of the perk is to avoid taking a hit. Using it for distance is essentially abusing the perk because your not using it as intended.
I'm not essentially taking away the dash, I'm simply saying, for how the strong perk is and awards survivor with another health state. Add a risk factor to it. The perk is the apiffiny of no risk, high reward.
When Injured, tap into your adrenaline bank and dash forward quickly to avoid damage.
Both times the Dash is mentioned first, which indicates it is the primary part of the effect.
So can we stop saying that the intended purpose is not to do the Dash?
It's not a problem at all but u do you I guess dead hard is not going anywhere already confirmed by dev even he seemed so annoyed by nerf request lmao he was like "nerf? Why? What's wrong with it? "
Okay and?
I still don't see what the harm in locking survivors interactions to make the perk riskier is at vs no risk.
Dead Hard already locks you out of interactions while you are dashing. Meaning if you dash too close to a window you don't get a fast vault and get hit anyways or you dash pass the pallet and you miss the chance to drop it before the killer catches up.
You have to time Dead Hard pretty well to chain it into vaults and pallets.
And 2 seconds is a long time and no where in the perk description does it say that dead hard is meant to solely dodge killer swings. So you want to kill the most reliable way to use the perk (because good luck actually dodge a swing with dedicated servers) and survivors will just switch to sprint burst and then killers will start crying about sprint bursts.
The dash is what was added after it was changed, Borrowed time was changed 3 times now, i expect one for this sooner or later. Textbook me all you want im talking about imbalances
There was nothing added or changed - only QoL-Changes. Changing an animation does not change the function of the Perk.
It takes killers roughly 2s to recover from a whiffed attack so that's why I say 2s.
Yeah you can't interact while dashing, but that's still not risk factor, compared to DS or Soul Guard.
I'd rather deal with SB because survivors will eventually get caught by the killer in a dead zone or they'll be outpositioned or theyll.get caught while exhausted rather than deal with a perk that's no risk high reward.
Thank you. Abuse is another one if those words people through around a lot. It stupid.
I don't want dead hard nerfs that means I would have to play against sprint burst more
You def werent here when huntress came out then, cuz it DID get changed sir
but you can actually still down them, ive done it
I swear every time this guy takes an L he comes screaming to the forums with some awful suggestion
I'll change it for you but let's not twist the actual meaning behind my post please.
Well, nobody is twisting your arm to comment here either so, wasting your own time bud
Note that he didn't deny it
If you mean by taking an L by playing matches, winning, losing, whatever. I'm reporting things i find unfair, you're just here to troll.
I changed my wording to be more appropriate by using MILKED. I think that fits better.
Let's not derive from my actual point in the OP, thanks
I think the better call is removing the ability to interact for 1.5s after using it. Can still use it for distance, but won't be the BS that it is now.
Sprint Burst is nowhere near as good compared to Dead Hard when you go against S tier killers such as Nurse, Spirit, Blight and Hag.
With SBMM, these are the only killers you’ll see at the top level.
Yeah finally someone who sees what i see
I said the same thing but apparently that ruins the perk.
People will defend this perk just like they defended decisive strike and infinite windows.
Stop trying to downplay Dead Hard dude, most of us "have a braincell" and have played the game before making the post. Dead Hard has too strong of a benefit for too many things. If it's a must have like DS was then it prob needs a nerf. hOW have you also not seen a teammate or a survivor on killer dead hard while running ino a pallet and they dont gain distance but your swing doesn't count, then you're pallet stunned and the whole chase restarts and you can times that by 4 with the right people
Yeah having the ability to gain a safe distance to loop for ever sounds pretty OP to me, especially if you have 4 people again. Also most cases the killer swings and is slowed, it reallly doesnt matter about being "locked" out of animations. You have plenty of time to still jump a window or throw a pallet
Talking about the first part of this post, how do you not know that dead hard when activated gives you a leap AND immunity.
You really think with how hard you can loop the killer before 1 hook using a team of dead hard tactics, 2-3 gens pop. That's Fair to you? Even if you start a whole new chase it's the same story. also some people have never experienced these problems and face the brunt of the perk still. Stop downplaying Dead Hard.
You do realize that almost 99% killer perks are passive right? Meaning that you just slap it on and go, you have no control over weather it activates or not.
BBQ and Ruin are passive perks and you just can't press a button to get them to work.
It's crazy dude, like some of these responses feel like any possible excuse as to why this perk isnt OP with builds and such.
It just proves the point that they've never went against it as hard as you do at Rank 1, or you're just simply downplaying it.
The Stubburn survivor mains will defend anything that keeps them winning every match so. I hope it gets nuked like DS did
All 4 survivors had dead hard and still died finishing only 1 gen in 10 minutes.
But DeAd HaRd Op!!!!
just because 1 team lost doesn't take away the perks power, majority of people will blast through 1-2 gens before you even down them if you miss and they dead hard, that's half the game over with a click of a button.
It is OP just accept it
It's not. Just because you throw your keyboard anytime a survivor dead hards and cry "it's OP" does not make the perk OP.
It's an exhaustion perk that gains a survivor much less distance than other exhaustion perks for the ability extend chase if you use it right.
Some people just don't understand balance. It's instinct for each side to protect what makes them strong.
Just gotta hope SBMM gets the perk that rightful balance adjustment it needs.
Deadhard and sprintburst were made to counter dead zones either early in the game due to bad rng or late in the game when you've broken enough pallets. Personally, I don't think survivor should have zero options and get hit twice in a row simply because they are in a bad area of the map.
You also have bloodlust and killers powers which can either circumvent DH by downing you in one hit (Bubba, Myers, GF sometimes) or powers where the added distance literally means nothing (Nurse, Spirit, Blight)
Which is no different from any other exhaustion perk since all of them are used to extend chases.
Lithe and Smash Hit are really good at ending chases compared to extending. Obviously the killer can continue to chase after a Lithe or Smash Hit boosted survivor, but the game generally gives you "chase end" score event.
Then Head On is kind of weird as a chase extender, but it does have utility to be able to stun the killer to rescue a survivor being carried.
This post is so ironic. And the guy you quoted lol. It basically describes every tantrum people make including this thread.
Spirit or dead hard it is all the same to me. People hate when something works for others ignoring all the time it doesn't. They have one bad game and cry for nerfs.
But hey you are free to do anything you want. Don't be surprised when people don't take emotional outbursts as facts tho.
I honestly will never take op seriously after reading few of his threads. He is not rational, just acting on impulses and anger.
This will probably be my last reply. It is pointless.
I would argue they all can be used to extend chases it just depends on what the survivor is doing. I have used lithe to extend the chase
Its worse for me since i have low ping. survivors can react for dead hard instead of guess like it was back in the Peer to peer days
Ah yes, let’s nerf the distance even though on console it freezes your game for a second and you do a baby dash and go maybe 2 meters.
But yes, let’s nerf the distance even though that’s what makes the perk worth using.
I play a lot of killer. Rank 1 killer and when you're going against 4 optimal survivors who run the perk then yeah I get the frustration. That's the only time I get really annoyed about it.
Apart from that I don't understand getting this heated about it.
Most cases it doesn't work, and on console it's absolutely unusable. I used it quite a lot before the performance issues and now I use sprint burst which can be arguably way more beneficial and stronger since it requires the killer to play catch up more than dead hard would.
EDIT: Also can I just say it is beyond dumb when killers complain about dh, ds, unbreakable etc... and survivors complain about noed, ruin&undying etc...
They're PERKS, they're in the game for people to choose. Stop crying about it and just get over it.
That's the whole purpose of the perk dude to dash 250% of ur regular speed what exactly you want from that? You're barking at the wrong tree as I already mentioned they also asked for sprint burst nerf countless times it didn't happened, they asked for noed nerf it didn't happened nor it will happen with dead hard why? Because there's nothing wrong with them
Don't worry, in one week you will play with potatoes and you will get your 4k every trials till you end up reaching your galss ceiling, which might not be that high seeing that you complain about a perk that doesn't work 80% of the time.
They don't even realize they lose extra 10 seconds if u use Sprint burst plus looping because with Sprint burst u can make to nearest safe loop and u can take good chase with it but dead hard op because u dash litlle bit to pallet or window lol if ppl starts using sb again I bet there would be nerf threads like this too just like 2 years ago
After your post i went to a game and removed DH to take Sprint Burst.
First trial, at the end the killer called me SB noob 😂
Start using Coup if DH is bothering you this much. Nothing more satisfying for me than hitting survivors down at the end of their dash. You need to adapt instead of throwing your hands in the air and calling for a nerf to a perk that is pretty outplayable compared to the rest of the exhaustion perks.
Also didn't they buff BT? I used to be able to slug as Victor despite it being in play because it used to be contigent on a terror radius