how would you buff Michael and do you think he needs an Addon pass
he is a pretty outdatted killer. his istadowns are nice but sometimes you cant get even get the the surv.
his early is is pretty bad with the whole 105% movement speed
his tombestone peice can be pretty OP sometimes and some of his other add ons are pointless.
how would you buff him and do you think he needs an add on pass
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Simple.
Remove one Tier, there will be only 2 Tiers.
Tier 1
110% movement speed.
Undetectable.
8m TR
No Red Light
Tier 2
115% movement speed.
24m TR
Survivors will down with one hit.
3 Tiers is so much for Myers because generator times are insane. Add-Ons can change with this, they will keep powers but they will rework for Tiers.
I'd just say remove the limit he gets on stalking unless he has completely crazy gimmicky addons
He 100% needs an addon pass. Besides having some relatively useless addons in stalk movement speed. Tombstone piece is actually broken. And Vanity Mirror is just a worse Scratched Mirror despite both having the same rarity.
he may be fun to go against but god can he be weak with a slow start and a not bad but not good instadown ability
i agree with you but how would they rework tombstone Peice
Yeah I've actually seen quite a few people who use Michael really, really well. Just today I was in a game where he slaughtered us all, 1 gen down, and a couple of survivors in red ranks. He was maybe rank 8 or 12 or so.
His gimmick fits his character from the films perfectly. I personally think he's great as is. To me the term "outdated" in this context basically just means "he needs altered abilities". Again (and this is just my opinion) his abilities work very well.
EDIT: On an anecdotal level, Michael is also my (not at all) famous "4K on the Switch Lite while standing inside the entrance of a Walmart during my first month with the game" killer, so that tells me that he can't be THAT bad. :)
Michael needs an addon pass because his add-on rarities are not up-to-date. He has 6 uncommon add-ons.
You cannot be undetectable and have a TR
I forgot to add, when he is stalking
Let survivor's stalk limit slightly regressive over time .
Of just remove the stalk limit.
My largest thing is the 2 killing add-ons. Those add-ons seem more fair for when he first released. When pallets were every 2 inches, vacuums existed, and whatnot. Now the game is more balanced. Vacuums are gone, pallets are more spread out (on MOST maps) and so many other changes to make it more balanced. With that in mind, it makes these 2 add-ons (especially when he got the stalk off of other survivors and he just had to tap the button to tier 3 off you) seem... a bit much.
Now before someone starts calling me an entitled survivor main, I play both sides a lot and just finished playing a lot of Michael to level him up. I don't think those 2 add-ons (in their current form) should be in the game, AT ALL. They need to do something else.
I think he just needs some slight buffs and changes and then he's fine.
How is his addons not fair, it take the whole game to even benefit from them, even then ur going to dpip and your score will be very low.Do you also think devour hope or rancor is unfair and outdated lls?
For tombstone Piece...keep it as is but put a penalty on it. You can use it for a single kill...but if you do you are locked out of tier 3 and get a reduction to movement speed for the rest of the match. Definitely remove the limit on stalking a survivor. Or at the least have some of it restored to all survivors upon a gen completion. Drop vanity mirror to a yellow tier if not buff or change it.
Dont know and yes, he has way to much disparity in his addons of some being completely useless and others being straight up broken.
Yes to the addon pass. All of his add-ons are weak, except for one decent one.
And I would remove T1, and make double stalking speed add-ons basekit.
Remove his stalk limit and make it so he can break pallets faster in Tier 3. That's all he really needs.
Definitely needs an add-on pass. If he gets an add-on pass and buffs (like Demo) instead of a rework, make J.Myers base-kit pls.
In all your games of playing Michael how many times did survivors allow you with ease stalk and tier up? I know in games i have played they drop a pallet and stand there giving me free stalk when they should be running blocking my line off sight or sit on a get knowing I'm stalking them just to finish it.
Michael has been in this game for a while and most people should know how to counter him or to lessen the amount off evil you can get from survivors but yet some just seem happy to feed him, add that on the amount that is needed to lvl up to tier 3 if you kill the wrong survivor one you haven't stalked off yet that limits how much more evil you can get unless you bring the unlimited tier 3 but that's a high risk/ high reward.
I have done that got my tier 2 to 90% ready to kill someone that was empty off evil and stalked the another person a bit to much by mistake and hit tier 3 and killed them even though i hadn't stalked them yet which left me with only 2 people with evil to get as one was dead and one was empty limiting me on how much more evil i could get the rest off the match.
" (especially when he got the stalk off of other survivors and he just had to tap the button to tier 3 off you) seem... a bit much." this part i can some what agree on and might need a slight change that a survivor has to be stalked a certain % before you can kill them, so it's not a free kill because your teammates allowed him to stalk them so much but he also stalked you enough to be able to kill you. So come end game even though Michael killed you using the tomestone addon he was able to stalk you enough to hit the % needed to be able to kill you.
Judith's Full Tombstone (The pink ultra rare one) should let you mori people on the ground and in lockers.
To compensate, Myers should be unable to lunge when he has it equipped, and the stalk required to hit Tier 3 should be increased a little more so when ran with tuft of hair you need to stalk literally every bit of evil out of survivors to pop tier 3. (Currently, it's actually 3 and a half survivors.) Maybe have a tombstone kill use a PYWF stack too.
Tombstone Piece should be heavily reworked (Maybe you can't pop tier 3 at all, but you can ONLY tombstone people who had every bit of evil drained out of them and it drains evil like 4 times slower?) or removed entirely.
Currently Judith's Tombstone is underpowered with the movement speed penalty, effort required to hit Tier 3 and survivors being able to avoid it via lockers, and Tombstone Piece is frustrating when a Myers 99's EW3 off the first 2 survivors, and tombstones you upon first encounter.
EDIT: Finally rework vanity mirror. Apparently originally it didn't have the movement speed penalty.
Why the penalty is there is beyond me. It slows you down to ALMOST EW1 Myers speed while giving you less aura reading than scratched mirror. Basically it's a weaker version of Scratched Mirror that's supposed to compensate by letting you hit EW2, yet your movement speed is penalized to just about EW1 Myers speed anyway so what's the point!?
I'm not sure what I would do to buff him, But he definitely needs an addon pass. Most of his addons are either useless or outdated.
Add the ability to tombstone kill survivors straight from locker.
Probably needs an add-on pass. Why the add-ons that show a survivor's aura after they've been stalked? What's that gonna do when it lasts for like 3 seconds? His insta-mori add-ons need to go. His stalk increase add-ons should not be a thing, except maybe the obsession one.
It's sad that we've come to this point though. All he needs is a mindset change in the community. If everyone actually ran his brown and yellow add-ons every now and then, instead of OP stalking add-ons comboed with infinite tier 3 and crap all the time, then maybe we wouldn't complain about him.
It's like when people say Spirit has no counterplay but they base it off her using Prayer Beads and stuff.
When the perk 'Ruin' was nerfed, it hurt Michael badly. If they hadn't nerfed Ruin, Mikey would probably be the most balanced killer in the game.
Make his early game easier by getting double stalk in tier 1, then with addons just do some balances with combos, like dead rabbit and monitor having like a 2M TR in tier 2
110% ms in tier 1.
Stalking doesn't scale down because of distance.
Rework Tombstone piece, it's just not fun to face.
Rework vanity mirror, it's trash.
Rework the Mirror Shard and the fragments addons.
Regenerating evil on survivors and an addon rework.
His cheap addons should have effects for more tiers of his ability.
Rancor you're only allowed to mori a single person the entire game and you would have had to FAIL to even get to that point, you'd most likely being trying the entire game up to that point. Not to mention that person you can mori can see your aura every time a generator pops although that doesn't mean as much. Devour Hope you still need to do your job as killer and is a hex which means survivors can get rid of it before it's even a threat to their gameplay. So no, I don't think either of them are unfair.
Myers, you don't need to do anything but stalk and you can bring perks to counteract any speed penalty. I have literally seen games get handed to both myself and other Myers because of these add-ons. You don't have to hit a single survivor at any point during the game with these add-ons. You can even pair them (at least the ultra rare, maybe not the very rare) with infinite tier 3 and PWYF to make sure you have no speed penalty and you can just kill everyone.
I am not a steam player, I play on Nintendo Switch so not everyone (probably not even close to everyone) has played against Myers since his release in 2016. Also, you'd actually be surprised how many times survivors have just fed me stalk like they don't know how to counter Myers and I've also seen survivors just feed him stalk while playing Survivor, it doesn't happen every Myers game but it happens a lot. That being said, you make good points about being able to counter Myers and how it takes a very long time to get to Tier 3. Maybe they don't need to be completely removed and I'm wrong on that part, maybe something like you said where there has to be some sort of stalk % requirement in order to kill a survivor with it. Just something to make these add-ons feel more fair for todays dbd.
Buff his tier 1 by getting rid of his shortened lunge. He's already slow, why does he also have to have a tiny lunge?
Also, rework his add ons. Stalking speed is pretty useless. The mirror that lets him see auras at 16m in tier 2 is awful. The one that increases stalk rate on the obsession is underwhelming even if it is thematically appropriate.
I've made a massive list:
First off, remove the collision Myers gets when stalking. He's the only one who still has it, and there is practically no scenario where collision is needed in his basekit. If there are any addons that make him need collisionlessness, add it to those addons instead(tombstone piece being pretty much the only one, but I want that addon gone anyway).
Secondly, and this will be an odd pick: Make the yellow addon "Jewelry" basekit. Gives him generally a better way of gaining stalk in many ways, while still having some movementspeed while stalking(note, ghostface walks faster when he stalks, AND ghostface has unlimited stalking, AND ghostface can stalk multiple survivors, AND ghostface is not collisionless while stalking, so why would Myers have all these limitations other than Tombstone Piece? Again, Tombstone Piece needs to be removed). Having faster stalking movementspeed basekit while keeping the current stalking movementspeed addons actually makes those addons worth using, right now, they barely have any decent use.
Third, remove the micro lunge myers has in t1, the big reason why Myers needed a micro lunge was due to him circumventing perks like Spinechill.
I could address all addons again, what I would rework Tombstone Piece into, other quality of life stuff etc, but these 3 changes are the biggest changes I would want to see in Myers.
J.Myers being basekit is a bit too much tho, takes away a lot of play around Myers. I mean, if they keep the "only stalk 1 survivor" rule, sure, I'd agree. But they need to remove that limitation in the first place.
I rather see Jewelry being basekit, it buffs scratched mirror myers, it buffs the gaining of stalk in general(being able to move closer faster, means being able to get higher stalk rates faster), it buffs gaining stalk mid chase(you're able to walk and stalk more, rather than stalking for only 1 second due to survivor holding w), and it buffs the movementspeed addons by default. Which, if you were to use both after Jewelry being basekit, means you could use stalk to close distances, even if you're t1. Stalking movementspeed is set across all tiers. Meaning you'd move 130% movementspeed while stalking no survivors, in t1. And you'd be stalking at 100% movementspeed if you were stalking survivors, instead of the current 30% basekit movementspeed.