Why LGBTQ characters are important
I know my example is not DBD related, but ill give it anyways because its the easiest for me to explain.
Some time ago Overwatch "revealed" that soldier 76 is gay. And I really dont care what a characters sexuality is, but i didnt like it at first because it just felt like a buisnes move for me. "oh look how progressive we are, we are such a good company"
So as i said i didnt really like how hey did it, but then I saw how people got crazy about it.
There were so many people that were like "I dont want to play that character anymore because he is gay"
It just showed how many people are homophobic and it blew my mind.
I personally am heterosexual and identify as a staight male therefore I never got in trouble for my sexuality or gender.
But for LGBTQ people this is another story and when the Soldier reveal happened I realised that it really is problematic because of all those homphobes.
People say they dont care what sexuality a character has, yet they say that it doesnt belong in a video game.
I think they care, and they are offended by it, which is good.
Get those people who dont want gay/trans etc characters in the game out of here. And by adding more diverse characters they will be upset.
"But now youre excluding people for having a different opinion"
No im not, these people are not forced to go if a character turns out gay. Its their own problem and maybe people will reflect a bit more when the number of diverse characters increases.
Just my two cents here. If you have enough time for making a discussion about how the sexuallity of video game characters doesnt matter and "you dont care" it shows that you are lying and you actually care and dont want it.
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There is need for such representation and very few are asking for that.
Representation isn't an objectivity must have thing for all LGBT people. It comes down to the individual person whether they care if there's LGBT in the game or not. If a gay person wants a gay character in the game that's fine, but not every gay person wants or needs a gay character. I don't need representation but if I get it I'm not gonna complain, unless bhvr does a bad job.
There's also the risk of people getting trolled/tunneled/bullied ingame for picking these type of characters. How would BHVR deal with this type of backlash? Would they ban people who did this kind of thing without necessarily voicing it?
Same way they are now treating those that only target non-white chars, or only female/male chars or tunneling based on names (e.g. tunneling everyone having anything LGBTQ+ related to their name).
I was right, people say Sexuality is "political" ######### is going on with people?
It'd be near impossible to tell if people were targeting lgbt characters just because of that. Unless they said things in endgame chat. And I was a tracer main in overwatch and nobody ever really trolled me in any way for playing her so I can't imagine that's very common. But I see your point.
I imagine it's pretty hard to prove intent, though. It could be mere coincidence that a killer happens to take out a pair of colored or female/male survivors just because they happened to go down easier than others.
They are grasping at straws to try to justify that they want to explicitly exclude LGBTQ+ from a game where multiple heterosexual relationships and topics are already featured.
In dubio pro reo, I guess.
if they are really doing it intentional they will not be able to not rub it into peoples faces e.g. in the end game chat.
Ok so, in a previous thread I summarised my thoughts and feelings on the need for LGBTQ+ representation and I think that they apply to this thread (as well as every other LGBTQ+ discussion because the same comments always come up). Therefore I am going to link my comment in this thread:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1992529/#Comment_1992529
Please, if you are willing, take your time to read my comment fully and try to understand the points I have made.
Also I'd like to point out that someone's sexuality is not political and will never be. Stop trying to make it something that it is not, LGBTQ+ people just want the same treatment, rights, representation and opportunities as everyone else. There is nothing political about people just trying to live their lives.
People's sexual orientation isn't political no, but the activism and organizations supposedly representating said people definitely are. And those Orgs create propaganda that absolutely affects how people think and talk about these things in the real world.
Anyways, I'm reluctant to comment much more because the Mods seem to absolutely love closing any threads that have people heatedly discussing their different opinions.
It's countries like this that prove why we need LGBTQ+ representation
To be fair, there are way too many threads about this and all boil down to the same arguments. I can just imagine what a nightmare it is to moderate those threads.
Just because games, tv-shows and other forms of media include these type of characters won't change the law of these countries though. It'll only pander to those who already accepted that part of culture so I really don't see how this will help them in these regions of the world.
Representation normalises people in cultures and changes the views of people. When enough people want a change, it will happen, be it through democracy or a revolution.
It may not cause them to completely revoke laws, but it's a start. Normalising the presence and acceptance of LGBTQ+ people will encourage others to do so as well. It may also lead to people pressuring governments and organisations to change these laws which helps as social pressure is a big part of change.
I'm still surprised changes to characters like Varus (LoL) and Tracer (Overwatch) were still omitted in those regions I've mentioned. Looks like Riot Games and Blizzard don't have the balls to do this.
To be fair, Riot is, to the best of my knowledge, either part of or owned by a Chinese company, and the Chinese government are... very restrictive, let's say, when it comes to literally everything, including LGBTQ+ people.
Blizzard I have no idea on, because I haven't looked into anything to do with the country.
This probably explains why these characters weren't confirmed as gay in those regions.
agreed
That's a good point tbf
It's not important, people just feel the need to shove their agendas onto everyone else and make a big deal of it. Even if you mildy disagree with the notion 'shame on you for raining on their parade'. We live in a society.
It's not an agenda, it's someone's identity, it's who they are. I don't understand your mindset at all - everyone is just trying to be themselves and be accepted. What is wrong with that?
Good thing those people that midly disagree are still respectful and can accept when others would be glad to have something there is no need to forcibly exclude that. They can and will just not pay attention to it.
Overwatch is trash superhero game
Explain the camera angles where it just hovered around womens rears? I wonder why they change that in legendary edition.
I feel you just wanted to test and see how many pings you could get you are brave bubba and very based.
Which characters?
Nurse (released just 2 months after DbD was launched), David, Felix, Frank, Julie.
Corrections:
Whilst representation might not be important to some, it's most definitely important to others. And it's quite often those that don't feel it's important are those who are automatically represented well in areas of games and in life - so in my case single white female, pretty much well represented everywhere. So I probably take representation for granted to a large degree.
However, I can fully understand and have seen how important representation is to all minorities. And as DbD is a game that promotes inclusivity and has a diverse playerbase we saw how the characters evolved and we did review our plans on our original position with regards to sexuality, gender etc. So definitely, this is something that's going to be implemented in the game at some point - when it will be done correctly and hopefully with the full support of all our playerbase.
On that note, I am going to close this thread here - the topic has been discussed at length over the past few days and right now it's basically going around in circles, myself and many other forum users have explained why diversity and inclusivity is important in the game, and bhvr have made their position on this very clear themselves. So it's not about if but when this will be implemented.
Thank you to all who've remained civil & mature when discussing this topic, it would be great if we can have discussions like this again in the future here - without having to delete some of the comments we were forced to.