The Decisive Strike Problem (Rework)
I know that you killer mains are very upset and enraged that the Decisive Strike nerf didn't hit the PTB but you gotta think about the other side as well. Now before you get you pitch forks and torches for me saying that, allow me to explain before you bombard me with LOL's! 
The Problem With Decisive Strike:
This perk allows a "Free" get out of jail card to the survivor using it.
How to Fix Decisive Strike Without Making the Perk Useless:
Let's look at Deliverance, a perk that makes you work for a get out of jail card and notice this time that I didn't say "Free" like I did above with the Decisive Strike problem. Deliverance has multiple amount of various variables limiting it from being a "Free" get out of jail card. Let's look at the conditions of the perk as well as the penalties afterward from using the perk:
Deliverance:
-Needs a condition to activate: Safe Unhook
-You will still move to the second phase of sacrifice due to the hook mechanics
-Has a penalty after using it: Broken Status Effect
-Can be completely useless if you are hooked first since you can only perform the "Attempt escape" action during the "Summoning" phase.
-Incorrectly using the perk can result in you going straight to the "Struggle" phase.
Now, since we got a general understanding on why Deliverance is a balanced get out of jail card, let's apply our knowledge to Decisive Strike.
Decisive Strike:
When you are within 36 meters from the killer for a total of 100/80/60 seconds and not in a chase, this perk will activate. If the perk is activated and the killer picks you up, immediately stun the killer for 5 seconds and automatically wiggle free from the killer's grasp. A successful Decisive Strike will cause you to suffer a 60 second bleed-out timer. Decisive Strike will be permanently disabled if you are hooked at anytime. Increases your chances of becoming the killer's obsession.
Some things to consider with this version:
-You'll immediately stun the killer and escape their grasp after the pick up animation is finished meaning no skill check or dribbling.
-You'll not be informed about your progress to activating this perk since it could give away stealth killers but the perk will light up when it's activated.
Why is This Version of Decisive Strike More Balanced?
This version has a condition, a risk, and a penalty after using the perk. This perk is exactly like Deliverance or a better way to explain it, it's now the survivor's version of a Hex perk. You either waste a perk slot or you can get tremendous value if you follow these conditions!
What do you all think? Please leave your civil comments below!
The Problem With Decisive Strike:
This perk allows a "Free" get out of jail card to the survivor using it.
How to Fix Decisive Strike Without Making the Perk Useless:
Let's look at Deliverance, a perk that makes you work for a get out of jail card and notice this time that I didn't say "Free" like I did above with the Decisive Strike problem. Deliverance has multiple amount of various variables limiting it from being a "Free" get out of jail card. Let's look at the conditions of the perk as well as the penalties afterward from using the perk:
Deliverance:
-Needs a condition to activate: Safe Unhook
-You will still move to the second phase of sacrifice due to the hook mechanics
-Has a penalty after using it: Broken Status Effect
-Can be completely useless if you are hooked first since you can only perform the "Attempt escape" action during the "Summoning" phase.
-Incorrectly using the perk can result in you going straight to the "Struggle" phase.
Now, since we got a general understanding on why Deliverance is a balanced get out of jail card, let's apply our knowledge to Decisive Strike.
Decisive Strike:
When you are within 36 meters from the killer for a total of 100/80/60 seconds and not in a chase, this perk will activate. If the perk is activated and the killer picks you up, immediately stun the killer for 5 seconds and automatically wiggle free from the killer's grasp. A successful Decisive Strike will cause you to suffer a 60 second bleed-out timer. Decisive Strike will be permanently disabled if you are hooked at anytime. Increases your chances of becoming the killer's obsession.
Some things to consider with this version:
-You'll immediately stun the killer and escape their grasp after the pick up animation is finished meaning no skill check or dribbling.
-You'll not be informed about your progress to activating this perk since it could give away stealth killers but the perk will light up when it's activated.
Why is This Version of Decisive Strike More Balanced?
This version has a condition, a risk, and a penalty after using the perk. This perk is exactly like Deliverance or a better way to explain it, it's now the survivor's version of a Hex perk. You either waste a perk slot or you can get tremendous value if you follow these conditions!
What do you all think? Please leave your civil comments below!
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Excuse me, isn't Decisive Strike exactly that? An easy iescapeforfree button? Hilarious
I think the idea is okay, but it belongs in the balance feedback section.
everyone here is laughing at you. enjoy rank20
Why are they oblivious about the problem? I'm a killer main and completely acknowledge the ubersuckness of NOED, a perk that shouldn't be there in the first place. And the fact it's getting buffed in this PTB makes me question the direction this stuff is taking.
OP @Nickenzie is taking the time to propose (something few people do) a good idea to change survivors' NOED equivalent. Arguing is not adding anything to it.
he will ragequit in embarrassment soon and make a new account. its common.
I've tried to stay out of turd flinging, but this was just too much and just had to take part in it
Anyways, I wonder if the developers have thought of this idea?
Umm, @Peanits sorry for crowding your notification system but can you say your opinion on this?
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You'll probably need to bust out the BIG guns if you wanna get all the survivor main turds out lol.
It's about as fun as destroying killer mains that say one thing and then something contradicting that a few sentences later in the same post.
There's less than ahem quality posters on both sides who manage to talk out of both sides of their mouth at the same time.
both sides have a few issues, but they are complex and require a lot of experience on both sides imo.
@NoxiousOnnyyxx
"DS doesn't even need to be nerfed. You killers whine about everything. "
I think there is a lot of merit to the this idea, some things would probably need to be adjusted (obsession requirements etc) but in general I think it's a good idea.
I'm moving this topic to Balance Feedback - as it is going to get lost in General Discussions (plus it belongs there anyway).
Thanks for the feedback.
So lets look at your suggestion.
The activation condition only hurts bad survivors that dont manage to loop the killer long enough, but DS on a bad survivor never has been a problem.
Then the bleedout timer, its basically a cap on the time that DS can waste. This means that a competent survivor cant loop you longer than1 minute before he goes down automatically.
This means that a single perk can waste 4 minutes of the killers time. Seems balanced right?
Now compare this to the genspeed, in the fastest game from the depip squad they were done with all gens in less than 3 minutes, that the equivalent of 3x DS (not even counting the time needed to down the DS first).
compare this to the strongest delaying perk of the killer, ruin.
Even if ruin doesnt get cleansed the whole game, survivors can simply power through and ruin wont even delay the game by 4 minutes.
Now take into account that survivors can literally spawn on the hex and that it can get killed in a few seconds.
That's what we've been told for the last 2 years.
By peoples defending infinites or 20s cooldown Sprintburst.
Today it's for DS.
Get lost.
"This means that a single perk can waste 4 minutes of the killers time. Seems balanced right?"
-The new DS has a condition that needs to be satisfied to be used and getting hooked before you completed your condition will permanently lock the perk. The bleed out penalty just prevents another long loop and it adds pressure to the survivor which can lead to them causing a mistake in a mind game!
This means that it's likely that every survivor, assuming they are all have DS, won't be able to use the perk since 60 seconds is A LOT of time to find a survivor and down them. Remember the perk doesn't charge when they are in a chase so they can't loop you for 60+ seconds and get their DS.
"Now compare this to the genspeed, in the fastest game from the depip squad they were done with all gens in less than 3 minutes, that the equivalent of 3x DS (not even counting the time needed to down the DS first)."
-That's a problem with the core game mechanics, generators need to get reworked to at least guarantee a 6+ minute game and Ruin needs a nerf to compensate for the generator nerf.
Make it so only 1 person in the lobby can use the perk tbh
Welcome to the world of Hex perks.
Pre-game chat exists, you know.
Yes but what if a person is going for the Adept achievement or more than 1 is, they can't both run it. You could do the activation requirement but have the obsession automatically meet it.
The others would have to do something to activate it and no chasing the killer around isn't a good way since that doesn't solve the problem.
If it's a mix of say generator or altruism stuff activating the perk it'd be a fair way to balance it and the 1st person hooked shouldn't get screwed.
So either 1 full gen done either solo or in conjunction with others overall or 1 full health state solo or in conjunction or 1 safe unhook.
The 1st person hooked if they're running DS should get a chance to earn the needed objective conditions. If they get hooked again before meeting those conditions they're out of luck.
Once the 1st person is hoooked everyone else is on their own if they don't get the conditions met unless they're the obsession.
Sure they can. The achievement doesn't require you to use the perk's effect, and one of them would get the benefit.
And then he proceed to play with his own poop.
Toxic survivors mains being man-child, as usual.
@lyric
no u
How it's goin' under the bridge ?
@lyric
Only with ######### talker.
Coincidence ?