Rip PH
We all knew this day was coming, sadly, devs listen too much the survivor community, he can't bait anymore, only decent thing about his changed is POTD being slightly shorter, welp, I'm done with the survivor community, time to mori them when I play killer
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Nah, this will weed out the poor PH killer mains. This whole post seems like it came from a killer perpetually stuck in white/green ranks.
Ok watched the video. He won't be dead but maybe a change to his turning would be nice.
The 6000 hour thing doesn't mean much tbh. I've got 3000+ hours but doesn't mean I'm great with every killer. I could be a worse Deathslinger than someone with 500 hours. They could just be bad Pyramid Heads.
If they need to give him another slight buff after ptb they will based off of tthe feedback.
I very much doubt they will change him in that way to be honest. People have given this feedback since day 1 along with survivors complaining about the lose/lose situation. BHVR has had months to listen to feedback and they've made up their mind that they will address some but not the rest.
If they had any intention of changing his attack based on feedback they've had months to prepare for it but nothing. It's not on the cards.
Otz thinks he might be worse to play against tbh because now he might just spam his POTD more. I disagree though because I don't think the cooldown will be much shorter at all.
Im pretty sure they're only decreasing his cool down for punishment on missed attacks. Not ones where you connect the hit.
Oni got gutted, then made tolerable after a few months. Hangman's trick and one of deathslinger crappy perks got nerfed. Blight compound 21. Now pyramid head.
Dozens of people got banned, every streamer was calling out their bias, mods were removing every ruin thread. It was a nightmare because the devs told the truth for once.
Yeah this was not the right direction on a change I could get a cool down if it was actually a strong ability that wasn’t massively easy to dodge.
We don’t have any numbers yet, so he might not be dead. If he is dead though, then it’s almost guaranteed that Deathslinger and Spirit are next. They often get lumped together with PH when it comes to Killers that “need” a nerf.
Remember when they announced PH was losing the ability to see cages and people were saying Pyramid head was gutted? LMAO you’re all overreacting
I never said not to use it. You absolutely would be silly to purposely gimp yourself by not doing the most effective thing you can do.
I simply said that spamming your M2 for free zoning with zero mind game takes no skill, and only GOOD killers will persevere.
Yeah, but it is so easy to avoid his power, that when you aren't in animation lock, you won't get hits against good survivors. He is frozen in place when attacking, and there is a big red marker for where he is going to shoot. He needs more buffs in compensation for his zoning nerf.
Yea someone said about making his turning better which I didn't really mind.
it is not a bad change. If the new recovery rate can be equal to normal attack, it would be acceptable to the nerf.
So is this my funeral
So am I late to my funeral
That only hurt people that wanted to camp cages.
As someone who plays PH I’m telling you this is the nail in the coffin. It hands control of the chase to the survivor.
They compare him to Huntress....except hatchets are infinitely better than POTD. If POTD was on par with a hatchet then people wouldnt be complaining as much, but that attack isnt receiving any buffs other than the cooldown in which theres not a chance they make it any shorter than an M1 whiff and an M1 whiff can still allow survivors to make another loop.
They compare him to Demo but Demo is trash, besides he can zone too but the only reason nobody complains is because he’s a very weak killer. Hard to be frustrated by a killer when you’re tbagging from the exit gates.
Its funny because survivors will still complain. Theres a few minor situations in the game where the survivor may be trapped at a pallet, the corners of lerys for example. Just wait until PH spams his power over and over and over again for the hit, survivors will be calling for another nerf.
I don't understand why he needs a nerf he was neither strong nor weak he was an average killer and with this he will simply become a killer trash and we will stop seeing him in games, as a demogorgon, clown ...
and yet nothing has to be done to weed out the weak survivor mains. Can't last in a chase? bring sprint burst/dead hard for free time, abuse badly designed areas of maps. No awareness? bring spine chill. Not very good at the game? just have your swf carry you then join in at the tbagging at the exit.
That's what Otz thinks too. PH is already rare and will disappear. I'm already ditching him because I can tell how this will go. He wasn't even that strong as you say.
Alternative is people are theorizing that hes just going to spam his m2 now at loops over and over again and survivors will have something new to complain about.
@notstarboard
"Pyramid head is not getting nerfed. They have explicitly said this is not intended to be a nerf. He's in theory just going to be more fun for both sides."
We call this "spin". They say it's not a nerf and it's more fun for both sides yet with 3 months of feedback they've listened to survivor feedback and not killer feedback. It's 100% intended to be more fun for survivors, hence why overrall it's going to be a nerf.
You say they listen to feedback but only one sides feedback is being implemented. There is plenty on the survivor side that makes the low tier killers not fun to play, exhaustion perks and bad map design for example leading to long chases that take no skill on the survivor side.
When I quoted Otz I was referring to the part about PH disappearing. He thinks that might happen. Also yeah A tier is strong but not super oppressive.
They do now.
It would also be interesting if we look at Dowsey's tier list, where he places PH similarly to Otz but also states he's S tier in a sweaty tournament setting, which he's also shown a bunch in practise, too.
Yes, that's exactly why they removed infinites and reworked entire maps, even making some of them SMALLER in order to make it easier for killers to actually apply map pressure. Yep, only survivors being listened to, 100%.
We're talking about feedback on PyramidHead. Context SunderMun, context.
Plus, you know, they may not ONLY listen to survivors, but there's a clear survivor bias. Almo's reasoning (and therein lack of response afterward) for the PGTW nerf shows that blatantly.
The context isn't relevant when your claim is that they only listen to survivors.
Yea that’s the thing I honestly think comparing these two killers doesn’t work. Not only because pp head is 115% AND has a whole other, but both attacks work differently and have their own strengths and weaknesses.
"only one sides feedback is being implemented."
Implemented.....as in being implemented in the case of the PH changes.
Stop trying to make it something it's not.
Gotta love the boosted survivors in this thread, claiming there is only lose/lose situation when all you had to do was predrop a pallet. Meanwhile you play SWF with OoO and think that is balanced.
Pre dropping a pallet isn't a solution, now is it a counter. Sure you might be safe. Maybe. If his power that can go through pallets to begin with doesn't hit you. The bigger issue with your flawed logic is the fact that predropping pallets encourages survivors to waste pallets and leave their team mates with nothing to work with. Your assertion that SWF w/object is common (I've seen this maybe 1 in 100 games in my over 4k hours of this game, more than half of that as killer) shows how little you know about this game.
SWF w/object is nothing uncommon, i used to run this all the time, @azame is using it right now, a friend of mine does so too and I have seen it several times as killer so please spare me the anecdotes, thanks.
To the point of wasting pallets, wasting pallets isn't wasting pallets when you can actually play the game and do the objective in the meantime. This just shows your blatant greed to waste even more time of the killer as survivor, check out botb rounds and check out what they did with loopable killers such as freddy and ph. To even state that you think it is a waste when you do not get hit because you threw the pallet, shows how little you know about the game and how it can be played. Also have you ever played against clown? Probably not, yet you predrop the pallet there too and literally nobody is going to say it is a waste but somehow against ph it is, lmao.
Yes PH power can go through solid objects but it is being telegraphed, gives enough time to react without hassle. So unless a person is either braindamaged or just really sucks at the game, you do not hit a survivor with it unless the survivor is locked into animation or running through something narrow that they can not move enough to avoid the hit.
Let me get this straight. PH will no longer be able to strategically place trails sporadically without being forced into a ranged attack animation? So the only solution here to avoid this animation delay is to spend your entire trail pool, negating any strategy for placing trails here and there. Fantastic. Wd on removing skill and strategy from PH.
All meaningless when each shot gives an audio notification and a visual notification before the attack actually happens. the killers light is also shows where the attack will go at all times and if you keep out of it the attack will miss you.
He has no control over his movement while casting ROJ no strafe or reverse, and mouse sensitivity is destroyed and capped. His power is Z tier outside of animation locks and if you get hit by it out in the open you need to go back to r 20.
Why everybody says that?
How many pallets are in the long tunnel that makes it IMPOSSIBLE to dodge?
Somehow I've seen a lot of survivors that know they can do small 360 before or after the pallet that makes hitting them really hard.
yep.
The actual fix was to make ROJ faster to cast but then survivors would cry.
Hence my point about them only listening to feedback from one side. People that played PH asked for minor POTD improvements but all of those got ignored, which shows that these changes are being done specifically to make him more fun for survivor, which means it's going to be a net nerf.
If the delay is long enough PH will end up being like wraith where you have to bodyblock a window so a survivor can't quickly juke through it, yay sounds fun.
You shouldn’t be comparing pyramids attack to huntresses though. You wanna know why? Pyramid head has a smaller terrors radius, has another whole ability and is 115% movement speed. Could u imagine if his power was as strong as huntress but he kept these additional benefits which huntres doesn’t have? Just because a killer is missing a few things doesn’t automatically mean they are bad or worse than another killer. Why don’t you look at some of the things his power alone has over huntress: Ability to shoot through walls, ability to move faster than survivors when charging it and a slightly larger collision box.
Like I’ve said numerous times, his power yes is not as good as someone like huntress but remember how many more things he has going for him than her. 115% movement speed, smaller terror radius, unlimited shots AND ability to shoot through walls meaning he doesn’t suffer from map rng as much.. Also can you not say the same about the ability to dodge a huntress attack? Yes she doesn’t have limited horizontal movement but I would say this is a small drawback and a small price to pay for pyramid head considering he has so many other benefits which huntress does not enjoy
But its the survivors that compare him to Huntress when talking about his ability to cancel a ranged attack and go for an M1.
Yes it is apples to oranges though
He already had so many things going for him that the bait was just unnecessary. Also his counterplay is a different topic it’s not really to do with his strengths or whatever. I don’t care if you invent a nurse type killer as long as you can have fun and counter them like you can with nurse
Again, literally none of that matters if survivors can easily avoid the hit.
That’s not true though. Not only have you still got the advantage of free hits at Aniston locks but there are many situations where you can use it well. Why don’t we just wait till these changes are released, play a lot of pp head and judge then. Remember he can still bait outside of windows and pallets.
Actually technically the Nurse has less counter than any other killer. You put a safe pallet between you and spirit, thats a counter. You put an obstacle between you and deathslinger, thats a counter.
With Nurse you're hoping on the killer missing. That's it. Yes she's easier to make her miss attacks than other killers which is why there is less complaints but technically she has no counter other than wiggling around and backtracking and hoping the killer misses or loses sight of you.
spirit is better than nurse and not even spirit can compete vs top teams
yes devs nerfed killers that cant compete with top survivor teams multiple times
You need to hit your target for your ability to see use. A range limit is usually the trade off for ph. Tr trade is relatively negligible considering a 32 meter tr and a 48 tr means no difference since the heads up of 32 meters is more then enough time to set up your looping route. Shooting through walls suffer from a range disadvantage with add on's desperately required to go for midrange shots. His punishment attack cannot travel on surfaces like stairs unless it has a straight path through the ground or its a straight path. His wider collision mean's nothing if the warning of the impending attack is blatantly telegraphed on the ground. Go into a kyf with a good survivor player and test a only punishment PH see how easy it is to land the hit because the ownes is heavily on the survivor dodge you have no input on improving its speed via charging the attack. When you compare ph to huntress he inferior in nearly every way the only thing you got going for you is the ability to potentially ignore ds and 115% ms which isn't good enough.
Well you shouldn't be comparing them because that's where this whole argument gets caught up. PP heads power is more to help in chase rather than carry him in chase. Remember he can still do all the mindgames a normal 115 percent killer can but he has this extra ability. Huntress on the other hand relies on her hatchets and thus they need to be stronger, because she would be nothing without them. Can you imagine if pp head's attack was as strong as huntress's? Also just don't use ur power at long ranges its not hard to catch up when you are 115%.
When you refer to him as "PP head" it kind of gives off an air of bias to your argument.
Hard agree, tbh. I love playing against a good huntress. It's such a hard game and there are so many mindgames to it; I usually learn something from them. PH? Nah. Spam M2 and profit. Easier to pull off than the stand still 2 win aspect of Spirit.
Lmao that’s literally jut a nickname which many people give him. You think I’m gonna stop calling him that when he gets changed?
Cool not so bad then. I rarely use his ranged attack anyway as I prefer using STBFL on him. It's not a ridiculous 10 second cool down or something is it?