So ehm, you guys gonna change the central design of the 4th page of the final tome right?
I mean, it might send the wrong message
I mean, it might send the wrong message
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What's wrong with a windmill?
Why are you hating on pinwheels.
Dude what's your problem with Wind Turbines?
I highly doubt they had that in mind- not to sound mean but you see what you want to see, like a Rorschach painting.
Side note: Anyone have a link to see all the challenges? Can't access the PTB.
So funny!
the symbol i assume you see in it is turned in the opposite direction though.
Only message I see is that you're probably a racist for that being the first thing to pop into your mind noticing it.
So? It’s like a flower! 🌸
technically what really matters is it's turned 45 degrees. It doesnt really matter if its mirrored or not. The symbol I assume actually has more to it. Like a red background and a white circle.
We really do need to start devaluing the meaning of swastika's in europe tho. The german nationalistic socialist party symbol should be the total image and not defined by a mere swastika.
Oh, instantly pulling the racist card are we? Nah, swastika's are so well known because of the amount of people pointing out swastika's in designs.
Personally, I'm all for devaluing the swastika back to just being an asian symbol.
Then...aren't you part of the problem? You literally made a post with the title asking them to change it as it might send a bad message even though it's closer to a Manji symbol then anything.
I doubt very few people even noticed it in the first place until you brought it up, I certainly didn't. So, you're spreading awareness on something that isn't even anything to begin with.
That's not how that works. Chill on the racist card bud.
Doesn't look like it to me.
If you're not going to explain to me how that doesn't work, then maybe you shouldn't voice your opinion on it. Also the comment was sarcastic since someone really wanted to post about the vague semblance of a tome web line.
No, im not part of the problem. But nowadays, there is still too large of a stigma around it. Im just pointing something out that some triggerhappy antivideogame journalist jumps on the oppertunity to try and demonize BeHaviour.
We already demonize the devs enough ourselves.
If you're about devaluing it, then why make a post saying it might send the wrong message? Hell you could've not mentioned it at all and I'm betting 90% of folks would not really have noticed it. And the ones that do would kinda point it out to their friends, giggle, and move on.
Calling someone racist for seeing a similarity in something within something else is honestly just pathetic (and if it was a joke, it was a pretty bad joke). I can say it somewhat resembles a swastika without being racist. It's so common sense that I'm honestly surprised I had to explain this to you. Grow up.
To be clear, I don't really care and nor do I think you're a racist. It was a dry humor comment, little snide for sure but it's in jest. This post isn't nearly as bad as when someone complained about the racism behinds blackface leatherface.
It's common sense that the first thing that pops into your mind coming from a Canadian MMO horror game about a 4v1 when you see some lines in a tome is a Nazi Symbol? That's what you call common sense? I could understanding pointing it out as a joke or saying "Hey, that almost looks like a Swastika/Asian symbol", but posting it and recommending to the Devs it needs to be changed because "it might send the wrong message"? You need to grow up bud. OP I'm sure was just jokingly mentioning it. But it seems you're the one who would've actually ranted about it had you actually caught it.
Even if you don't think about the asian origin it doesn't make you a racist. Being a bit educated, knowing about Hitler and history is enough to remember that symbol, doesn't mean you are wearing it.
I understand OP and thought about that as well before anyone told me, but didn't have a serious problem with it. No need to throw accusations around
Once again, grow up. Have a good day.
You too, enjoy your ignorance. :)
Likewise :)
Actually, the one that you can see here would be that of buddhism, it is only a Nazi symbol when it is clockwise, the one you posted is anti clockwise.
I can explain that ez pz:
Racism is discrimination based on race. Seeing a certain pattern resembling something is not discrimination and thus cant be racist. Considering we have pattern seeking brains, it's only a matter of time anyone sees it.
because nowadays, its still a stigma. You cant suddenly have an entire society agree to stop seeing a certain symbol for a certain movement. It's why the christian church will never get rid of having a torture device as their symbol.
Secondly, if I can see it, someone else can too. If the wrong person sees it, they will try to create tons of drama. I'm just here trying to help prevent any possible future drama, as right now, the tome is still not as public as it will be. It only requires 1 person who sees it as hidden messages given by the devs to possibly ruin a company.
You never saw any swastika, right? Cause, what you assume doesnt even match whats on the screen.
F red lines. Make them all light blue.
learn your swastikas mate:
There are many, MANY swastikas. Only 1 is specifically used because of the SS. Hell, did you even know that early day christians used a swastika as their symbol? You know, before they used a torture device?
Youre the one complaining about this and you cant even differentiate the one you want to assume with the one shown on the screen. What's wrong with you?
I see nothing wrong with the design. It seems to me your only seeing what you want to see, which is disturbing to say the least. I couldn't imagine being so afraid of a symbol that you see it in something so abstract as this. To each there own I guess.
Looks like you're seeing what you want to see.
There was a post about the racism behind blackface leatherface?
Ohhhh yeah I remember that, this person was talking about Leatherface wearing Empathyface was racist, and that players who wore it were doing it because they knew what they were doing. Or something like that. It's been awhile since it was posted.
I just found it weird? Leatherface is not wearing Claudette's face to be racist, Leatherface is wearing it because he likes to wear faces. Nothing more than that.
Ohhh yeah I remember that post, somebody said that Leatherface wearing Empathyface was racist, and that players who wore it knew what they were doing. Or something like that, it's been awhile since it was last posted.
I just found it weird, Leatherface is not wearing Claudette's face to be racist, Leatherface is wearing it because he likes to wear faces.
Ah yes the true leaders
You're not getting the point, so let me summarize it easily:
My post wasnt about it being nazi symbolism. My post was about people interpreting something wrongly. This forum has the largest chance of the devs actually seeing it and making the choice themselves if they alter the visuals of the design a bit(its not that hard tbh, just rearrange some challenges a little) or dealing with the potential drama that some gamejournalists will try to abuse to draw in clicks(gamesradar being the most toxic gamejournalism site that will be guilty of this).
So you're trying to say that you dont see it at all to get some egoboosting points I see. No dude, we're animals with patternseeking brains. There is literally a whole field of science dedicated to trying to find out how our brain exactly works. Once you see a pattern, your brain instantly links it with your memory where you've seen that pattern before. Since I'm european, the only real swastikas in history, are ww2 SS swastika's.
So no, im not seeing what I want to see. Perhaps im seeing it easier than others, but that's to blame to mild ppdnos that increases pattern seeking. In fact, did you know that people with ppdnos are hired by police and fbi due to them noticing patterns faster?
So yeah, if you show up on a forum with an ignorant comment, you better sit back to get some straight facts poured in your face.
not afraid, read the comment above. 100% scientific, 0% disturbing. Basically answers your question and informs your ignorance about basic brain functions.
And dont take ignorance as an insult, its literally the only word about not being informed and still pretending like you know better.
By your logic, when my little sister ran around in a sheet last year for Halloween, I should have connected the dots and said, 'O my god, KKK.'
We might be 'animals,' but we're also intelligent. We may see similarities in things, but we, 'usually,' can see what is and isn't. In this case, you chose to see a bunch of lines as a swastika, when obviously, it clearly isn't.
I'm of German descent as well. Go figure I didn't see a swastika until you came along and said 'hey look, these bunch of lines here make a swastika!'
Edit: Let me assume youre a british player. Otherwise this whole interpretation doesnt make any sense.
go join the "i didnt see it, therefor no one would have" club. And yes, some people could have pointed out that you endorsing a white sheet on your kid, cartman style might have either meant that secretly you endorse the kkk. People are like that. Which is fine when you are an individual, but not when you're a company. Remember Fantasia from disney? They used a very heavily styled karikature on a centaur foal that wanted to be part of the adults but was denied. Nothing about that story was racist. But people started pointing out that she was a slave to the non-black centaurs because of the way she was colored. Which forced disney to cut out all those scenes in future releases. So even though disney had 0 racist implications in the story, the public jumped at it and demonized disney for even having those scenes. Sure, BeHaviour isnt a disney sized company, but that doesnt mean the lashout will be anything less.
As for it being a swastika, actually, it is one. Not the SS one, but it still is a swastika.
also, why wouldnt my interpretation make any sense?
1. There is no stigma. Stop telling this lie.
2. Look at the player statistics before corona. This game was steadily gaining players.
3. You probably never read any serious gaming journalism at all. Youre talking nonsense again.
4. People like youy who cannot even diffetentiate symbols, are the real problem. Youre desperately trying to create an issue that doesnt exist. You want to make the sun look like a moon. Youre completely unrational.
Let's look at the worst case scenario. Some journalist on an off day picks this story up and it somehow gains traction and goes viral. People who have never heard about the game will come flocking to it to see what's up which would probably cause a temp boom in playerbase and then everyone will be talking about. The majority will mention how people are being stupid while extremists will call for death! DBD will see what's going on, probably not want to deal with it, issue an apology and say it was never their intention, change the symbol and then it becomes yesterday's news as everyone stops caring. It'd probably end up getting memed to hell and back if this happened. Like I can already see that anime/butterfly meme using the doctors face and the picture above going, "Is this nazism?"
There was a literal nazi dude at a presidential thing a couple months ago and he was simply escorted out. Facebook moms were mad, some people defended his right to do it if he didn't hurt anyone and most people joked about it thinking the guy was an idiot. Literal nazism and most people just don't care and you think this case of a Manji symbol that isn't even that easy to spot on first glance is going to somehow take off and hurt the game? It's ridiculous man.
Edit: I made the Meme.
Why did you choose to just cut'n'paste a small square from the original image @Predated ?
What does that page look like in its full entirety I wonder.......................
its about 1/5th of the full picture. So not really small. You could find it on https://dbd.onteh.net.au/archives
Honestly, that meme was great. Anyway, my point all in all was that the game itself isnt exactly in its healthiest state. Balancewise, playerbase wise(seriously, I encounter less salt in Overwatch, it really is a problem). All in all, it doesnt need any more drama added to it. Some perks need fixing, some killers need fixing, some offerings need fixing. Adding a neo-nazi dramapalooza where the devs have to make official statements etc isnt going to help anyone.
I might overexaggerate a bit, but I'd personally say it's because im a bit overprotective really. I like this game and really like its potential. I met my gf because of this game and really wish this game would still exist for at least till we tie the knot. Having any drama over it that might have some players move away for the fear of being labeled nazi's for just having the game installed isnt any kind of drama you'd wish ontop of any game. Gamers are already a bit of paria's of society, often linked with tons of bad things. It wouldnt be the first time that people found excuses to call gamers nazi's.