Why are they called "exploit windows" in the patch notes?
This makes it sound like people were cheating by using them. But they were being used as designed, which isn't an exploit. If they were poorly designed loops then it's not the survivors' fault for using what is given to them.
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You've all just been exploiting them since release. Time to get banned will say every Camping Tunneling BasementFace who ever got reported.
Seriously tho that is a tad weird.
Hard to say, that phrasing confused me too. For exactly the reason you have just outlined. I have no issues with the proposed changes, but should we now start worrying that anything in the game design that we use is now going to qualify as an exploit? Doesn't exactly help survivor/killer relations when even the devs are telling us that using design they implemented and only now just changed, is now exploiting.
I'd be quite interested in the reasoning for this language being used in the patch notes @Peanits
I assume they take the literal definition of an exploit, to make productive use of. The only unfair and unintended advantage survivors take advantage of is exploiting the disparity in hitboxes to artificially lower killer movement speed relative to theirs, but that's been grandfathered in apparently.
I assume they just mean "windows that are much stronger than regular windows". These windows are undeniable outliers in map design we don't really get anymore and are essentially re-usable Pallets in the effect they have on chases.
Not saying Survivors who used them are guilty of exploits or anything, it was perfectly reasonable to use them, but they were definitely far above-average windows.
who cares? does it make you feel bad or something getting accused of using exploits?
When a survivor is spotted and they all run to the exact same place, no matter the distance, because the loop is so powerful. Something is wrong.
Partially this, but also because there's not really a single good name for them. Some people call them infinites for example, but they're not infinite, so we can't call them that. Internally, we call them different things which is fine because everyone knows what we're talking about, but we'll typically call them strong windows externally. I went ahead and updated them for clarity.
Regardless of whether it was super powerful or unmindgameable , and I do not disagree, the survivors didn't design them, nor did they leave them in game for years. The question here isn't whether they should have been nerfed or why they were nerfed. Its about why they are now being called exploits when they certainly weren't for years. I ignore either side calling each others mechanics exploits, but when the devs do it out of the blue, to a mechanic they designed and left in the game, it has an impact and implies people have been cheating by using the game as it was given to them.
That isn't what OP was asking though.
Yeah. Nobody is yelling BOO HISS TO THE NEW NERFS in this post. They are simply asking why a mechanic implemented and left in the game for years, is now suddenly being called an exploit by the people who made them. Language does matter when its an official capacity, especially in this community where people will grasp at anything to shove in the opposing sides face to prove a point.
"unbalanced windows" would be a term which would fit without calling Survivors out for exploiting.
It appears that I and a few others care. That should be fairly obvious, don't you think?
If you called them “Bull💩 windows” I think that would make it much clearer for players which windows you are referring to.
Thanks! My survivor guilt has been lifted
They edited it, haha
Out of morbid curiosity, what do you guys call them internally?
glory holes
I'm honestly disappointed in this update. I thought there could be more perk reworks for both sides...
should just call them god windows and leave it at that, since thats what they are
I'm stealing this.
For real though, there's no single name behind the scenes. As long as we know what we're talking about.
Well I think now it HAS to be glory holes. But don't tell anyone what they mean, just casually bring up glory holes when talking about the windows and watch their faces. :)
exploit just means to Take Advantage of. And they were taken advantage of.
No.
You can say that all you want. It doesn’t change the definition of that word, which is “make full use of and derive benefit from (a resource).”
Denying reality will never change reality.
Lol ok