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@ReikoMori you're right, but my point is another, the game forces you to tunnel somebody to counter genrush, if there are 2 gens left and you have not killed anybody, you probably gonna lose that game.. for me 2 k is a lose with killer like spirit or nurse even if i play on console. Gens go too fast even if you can down people fast and patrol them at red ranks, that's the point of the video
@Poweas yeah but there was also the gen near that david almost done, so the result would be probable the same, i know when to slug or not, (not running deerstalker makes me less confident to slug though), the point is that even if nurse is strong, if survivors are immersed while working on gens quickly, everybody on the different sides of the map, even with the nurse can be tough..not even mention in this game i was lucky with the good framerate lol
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@Poweas another example, i tried her without ruin against a decent team, i made some mistakes, but played overall good.. close victory and didn't even deserve the 4th k as he was too altruistic
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@Poweas i can win without ruin but it's too close, i don't say i'm a god and i play perfectly but as you saw in the other post i play her pretty good.. with the increased amount of good survivors/genrushers at red ranks, sometimes even ruin is not enough in some maps even if i play good, i feel like the only way to win her is to slug with infectous fright, but as i said if survivors are smart they work separately..
@gantes everytime i play i except swf, since at red ranks i meet many swf.. so even on mobility killer i feel like it's needed, other way even if i found, down and hook the first survivors in 1-2 minute, i except 1-2 gens to go in that amount of time
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@Poweas yeah understood, but something op is what we need esepcially against tryhard swf running all the crutches
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@miaasma thank you for your elaborated feedback
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Also the same they say with enduring- spirit fury on a killer like spirit or huntress(something like if you run the combo you didn't understand the killer).. ok it's not may needed this combo, but huntress can be looped, as some pallets are 50-50 mindgames(throw hatchets or keep going), for the spirit, if you go out of the phase walk right before a pallet, or you can't simply use your power cause it's recharging, even if it's a 110% killer it's still a free hit(also they don't except a 110% killer run that combo)
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@edgarpoop exactly, i respect a lot these streamers, but every thing they say, they wants to looks like is an absolute truth... if every other killers need ruin, why not run ruin also on nurse to make her even stronger and compensate her weakness in some maps or against good and coordinated survivors? i feel like add ons are crutch for her, anything else.. towards spirit i agree with @NuclearBurrito they are not a must, i often run just the brown add ons, they help you a little, especially if the survior takes much distance. @MegaWaffle exaclty that is my point as i said in this comment.
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@Mc_Harty pointless, because even if nurse on ps4 is not as good as pc, is still able to finish chases fast, but it doesn't matter, if you don't slug, you still get genrushed without ruin... you don't have always the opportunity to slug, if survivors are smart and works separately
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@xllxENIGMAxllx Ardetha doesn't review win though, also he doesn't do anymore.. post a video i can tell you immediately if you are decent/good/god nurse, i have ton of hours with nurse on ps4, played her with every add ons, (currently i don't use them anymore) learnt how to counter every possible jukes, mindgames, predicition etc. the sad thing other than sensitivity is when there are fps drops, you'll miss many blinks no matter how good you are...i watched a lot of gameplay also, and i can tell you ZubatLel is the best Nurse/killer among every youtuber-streamer..you ca alson check out my channel lunaticlifter i post Nurse/killer video against decent survivors, also when the condition( stable fps) are optimal.
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@Poweas i'd like it, especially with the higher sensitivity.. but still fps are the only reason i don't play nurse as much as before, i don't use omegablinks anymore, they are far too op, that's why i run ruin and play with no add ons..we'll see tomorrow if they improved the game
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Nurse is still the strongest killer if played correctly, the only big downside is that you need good fps to play her at full potential i'll post one of my gameplay when the conditions are optmal as i have hundred of hours with her on console. So if you talk about consistentcy i'd say Spirit at red ranks, but instasaw, enduring + sprit fury billy are also op.. There is also The hag, countered by flashlight, but you simply need to run franklin..i'd say against really good Survivors the most consistent are Spirit first, Hag second, Billy third.
@Poweas the fps now still suck, only 1 game out of 4 the fps are really good, but still nowhere near 60, only in kyf we maybe reach that, so i'm excited to see if they improve the game in the next patch, she would become a lot easier(i also played her when the fps sucked so bad so)
Here's some gameplay btw
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now i find out why so many people run whispers, also the post was made before infectous fright so now we have more meta perks for nurse
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@Bravo0413 i never said she is fine, just inconsistent because of the fps drops, and especially in some maps, where you need faster reaction, you just can't because of the sensitvitiy.. she is fine, when the fps are good. Unlucky on console fps are not always good. That's it. lowest killer ratio you know because she's harder, and she is fps and map dependent, That's it.
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@Bravo0413 wow so if everyone say god exist i should take that as an absolute truth? bruh, i have too much experience with her so i know what i'm talking about. I agree she is inconsistent ,some games you stomp other you just can't play properly, maps, slow turning, fps drops, mental focus, but the optimization actually improved her, and we are still not reaching 50-60 fps, unless in kyf.. only because you suck with her or most of the people in the community don't want to put time to improve, doesn't mean she is unplayable on console...higher skill cap less rewarding than pc of course. I found other good nurses on ps4 too recently, unless the one who are using omegablinks(i can't tell if they are good or not by using crutch add ons) and yes, omegalinks make it everything easier, faster movement speed and charge, fps drops less annoying, less time for survivor to react or juke, insane map control etc... But you know in 2019 some people still don't know how to play against nurse also on pc, still try to loops, without losing los or mindgame.
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@Bravo0413 lol i have hundred of hours with nurse on console, she's the first killer i played when i downloaded the game about almost 1 years ago.. when i sucked ass with nurse, those add ons made me feel like a god... once i prestiged her, and wasn't be able to use add ons, the difference was noticable... went from 3-4 k average for game at red ranks to an average of 0-2k .. i re-learned her. You can check my account on youtube lunaticlifter then come here and tell me she is not viable on console again.. inconsistent, yes because of the limitations with console, still god tier if the fps are decent.
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@ReneAensland trust me, unless it's a 10 hours nurse, omegablinks, will make a decent/bad nurse looks good even on console.. we know about the fps issues, but since the latest pacht, more nurses are coming out on ps4, most of them running range add ons, even only the yellow one wich i consider yet op.
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Her add ons sure needs to be reworked, any noob with nurse even on console can do well just by using range or more blinks.. i'm talking as someone who got way too many hours with nurse.. for toucing her base power i think just like this:
They will make weaker loops while adding a secondary objective? fine bring the nurse at spirit level while giving her 20 seconds cooldown power bar, 3-4-5 seconds fatigue ( based on 1 blink, 2 blink, 2 blink + hit) 110% movement speed, she will still be the strongest killer in the game
They don't? Base Nurse is fine, she can still lose against good survivors or swf, who genrush the hell out of you, especially in some maps like corn or lery.
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@Orionyeah the perk should eventually works like legion mending now.
Another idea would be try to balancing an eventual perk
Hurry up
You get 1,5% speed bonus every generator is a completed, if all generators are completed, you lose all your stacks. Doesn't apply if a survivor is inside your terror radius.
monitor and abuse + this would change the current meta.
I guess it's hard to balance things without making them unuseful or completely op, the recent perks are a demostration.
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@xChrisx you dude shouldn't even deserve an answer. I'm just suggesting something to put more low tier killers into balance, i have no issues with the current gameplay balance but MoM, if i pick up viable killers
@Orion I now but how much nurse or billy could benefit from that? maybe wraith.. i'm recently learning huntress wich is very good, it's so unfortunate that she has no map pressure.
@StarMoral that's also a good idea
@Mat_Sella @White_Owl yeah some killers like spirit would probably get buffed too much, the idea behind this perk was resolve the viability for all the killers, putting so more trapper, wraith etc. in a higher tier, they did with spirit fury, it was a perk but also a buff for all lower tier killers.. i think the perk need some adjustement, but somehow, has potential to be balanced and meta at the same time
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@Dragonredking @Sairek Well they tried to solve some problems, implementing spirit fury against loops, so i tought about a perk who could increase map pressure. But you're right, i agree we can't implement perks to ignore some bad map design or weak powers..
@Mochan i know it could be op, because of the stupid chase mechanic, for this i tought to deactive the perk while in a certain range from a survivor, but again there is a conflict with whispers..
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Another problem is that is way too easy right now to getting out of a chase, so killers will reach you quickly... for this i tought we needed some range where the perk doens't activate, but again the problem is the conflict with whispers.
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@prayer_survivor only outside the case, but it wouldn't matter since billy moves with his chainsaw through map at 230% speed, so 242% wouldn't be a big deal.. This perk would be meta for killers like myers, huntress, trapper, clown.. in the original post, i made it work outside the 24 metres range from a survivor, for slow down before even starting a chase, but if the devs won't give killers any whispers perk like, i had to change it.. i don't know maybe, for some balance things inside the range of 16 metres from a survivors the perk could deactivate without giving information like whispers, it would be fair if it wasn't a way too big buff for nurse, huntress and spirit..
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I'll re edit
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@Dehitay Yeah i tought about whispers problem, for this reason i gave a smaller range for this perk, but in some way works just like whispers.. that's a problem. Outside the chase you would still get too close to a survivor, so would be far overpowered.
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Also Billy it's much more easier to get used, only for this reason he may be more viable, if you are a good spirit you don't get looped. Look some Zubat and Scott rank 1 gameplay recently. Hag may be better too.
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@xllxENIGMAxllx Yeah billy can still get looped af.. i can say i'm one of the best nurse on console since there aren't too many, but i have to deal with ######### fps sometimes, so i prefer playing something else.. example is Spirit.. she is probably better than billy against good survivors with no add ons, she is my one of my best choices after nurse, most consistent killer i play, the problem is that the sound is not optimal right now.. but you can be unpredictable in too many ways... when you get used to her, you either end the chase in 15 seconds, or 40, but that's it.. you can just stare at them, look what they do, if they run catch up, if they walk, looks the direction, sounds and catch up.. if there are windows they can fast vault then slow vault again as mindgame.. you need to have a quick mind and instinct, sometimes you need to stop and look around all with good tracking(that's why i think duration and speed add ons are really good with her).. spirit is not easy as everyone say if you meet good survivors and you are not using op addons, you could get ######### up badly, especially if they are not injured or they run iron will. Hag is another good choice. let's s hope for ghostface, the game needs something new
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@Mochan you are right, but i'd like to put it simple.. i can rank up or win the games against good swf... how? proxy camping and tunneling, since swf are too far altruistic.. even then it's not sure that i win or at least don't lose, since ds, bt and MoM are common.. the fact is that as killer every tiny mistake costs you an entire game, and this isn't a competetive game, that's where the unbalance is.. survivor got too many chances, doesn't matter if they do ######### up. Also there are 3-4 really good killers, and the rest are a joke, even if they play perfectly they can still lose.. Spirit fury was a nice buff for almost all killers, but against swf, is less useful, if they do know u got it, they don't drop the pallet, or they do earlier ..
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@Mister_Holdout @HavelmomDaS1 exactly, you guys got that point.. unlucky since i play on console even if i'm good with nurse, with her is not automatically gg, i don't even use omegablinks..
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@ClogWench no problem dude, you are right, i guess now i have the chance to improve against better survivors... but it would really matter for the final result?
@Sythalin lmao
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@thesuicidefox i guess you're right, even if i don't like to play dirt
@legion_main the previous rank one were almost everyone solo or boosted
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@poweas spirit isn't that hard, i played ton of hours with her and nurse on my ps4.. you need good headphone, need to hear footsteps, look grass and scratchmarks if they fake directions, or try to cut/anticipate their next move. She's the best after the nurse, they are similiar in some aspects, you just require a full understanding of the game, not really that much of the character. I think nurse still require more time, at least on console, because of the slower sensitivity
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@almondbutter not really, many times survivors spawn togheter, it's a great advantage for legion, if you are good with him the first hit will always be a free..if you run sloppy they will not heal and gen rush into adrenaline, often they do even without it.. but you still have to one shot them, basically tiar 3 myers.
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@MegMain98 myers is overrated, i used to main him.. t1 you need early time to stalk... yeah low tr, and faust vault and one shot in t3 wich last only 1 minute wow so op.. legion will be able to put early pressure by injure everyone with a free hit, and you have almost everyone inured all the game, you just need to one shot them..
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@MegMain98 the list is basically almost the same as mine, i agree with all but legion, i'd put him just behind plague, second best m1 killer imho, he's underrated after the nerf... nerf if we consider legion with frank's mixtape... without, it's a buff, 10 seconds frenzy and 115 movement speed are good.. try him with enduring- spirit fury, you got a t3 myers all the game..
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No way Spirit is number 8.. if Nurse didn't exist spirit would be the queen of dbd.. the tier list is based without add ons or perk. If you mastered these killer against GOOD surviors this is the best tier list, judged by fact, not opinion.
Nurse *1
Map control, fast chases, sorta of mindgame, only weakness is stealth
Spirit *2
Fast chases, Mindgame, only weakness is map control(recharge power time)
Billy *3
Fast chases if the survivors are not near looping zone, Strongest map control, weakness is looping, he becomes half game an m1 killer.
Hag *4
Would be number 3 if it wasn't for the genrush, because she needs time to set up traps, only weakness is early game, after you set up all traps in the right places, you can easily dominate, map control + chases
Huntress *5
A skilled Huntress will easily end the chases faster than almost every killer, can shot by distance, but lacks map pressure too much.
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agree
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@Peanits Thank you for the answer
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Unfortunately the thing that kills her, on ps4, are the fps inconsistency, sometimes are really good after the last patch, sometimes meh... also the slow turning, it's a pain in the ass.. but these are things that can, and should be fixed..
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I have a lot of hours on console too with her, generally rank 1, i don't use anymore range add ons... i tought i was good in the past, but then i realized that were just range add ons too op... i had to re learn her without it.. fast charge, bigger range and speed, all in one just by range add ons, survivors can't really juke, if you know how to play her and have good prediction.. just make range add ons purple, and increase only moderatly while increasing fatigue...blink extra add ons should be purple and no more than 3. ez
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@popoles Thank you
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Survivor
Nea
Kate
Ash
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Nurse
Spirit
Legion
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@drunky26 i don't know , i selected general discussion...
@HermanTheDoctor yeah the same could be with devotion, but i liked the reward for a single killer, when you see that cosmetic you know you should be scared, just like when you see some legacy killer now
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i'd really like to have ph in dbd, but since we are getting ghostface, chances are low in the near future.. i like the teleportation thing then he walks normally, then oneshoot survivor with slower fully charge weapon.. we need more killer with map control and mobility, either way rank 1 lobby will be always full of nurse spirit and billy
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edited wrote the same comment again
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Some of you got the point of the post, others not, but i appreciate your opinion and the fact that many people agree that the perk needs to be fixed, with the current state of the game, the same zubat and many others people agree, that's why i hope devs will do something for the next chapter. Talking about balance, imho you should not capitalize on survivors mistakes, that's why i love playing nurse(no add ons) or spirit, because it depends on your ability, if i lost, i know i played bad... while with others m1 killers even if i play perfectly i may still lose that's the point; MoM makes it even harder, sometimes impossible combined with others survivors meta perk. You can't even compare it to adrenaline or noed, because adrenaline reward you for doing all gens or gives you a little chance if the killer close the hatch, noed can be cleansed, MoM reward you for what, being hit? And the downside can be countered by healing at 99% until the killer finds you, plus most of the time even if you heal, it's in the end game, so who even cares.. However you will rarely find in a lobby 4 amazing survivors, but i still think the balance should go up to those who play good, it's just so logical, not godlike, good... for the low ranks balance thing they will eventually learn to get good. I only ask to put more downside to Mom, like gives exausthion(while MoM is active you can't dead hard, sb, bl etc.) , and gives the downside aura thing when Mom is already activated(because you never know who runs it), then would be MAYBE balanced...
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@TheBean we are not playing some cod or fortnite, the skillcap in dbd is not that high especially as survivor, it's about winning the mindgame, or getting the loops in time, if you do correctly the killer will not catch you, unless nurse or spirt and maybe hag, just watch zubat gameplay, i know he got 5k hours and he is the best player, but is the perfect example why spirit fury exist, to cut that bullshit(but you can still counter it), and then we got MoM(no counter) . As many killer main say, they win not because they are amazing but because survivors makes mistakes. Zubat himself replied to my question, if he would play as survivor(4 zubat or call it 4 5k h streamers) against himself killer( 1 zubat or call it 1 5k h streamer), unless an omegablink nurse, him as survivor would win 100%. I respect your opinion, but i'm talking fact.. you should return to higher ranks to get different perspective. For me until mom they just needed to slow down a bit the gen progression or adding seconday objective, because ruin is never consistent, then everything in the game for me would be perfectly balanced. You balance the game for those who play efficient as it meant to be. I respect your opinion but i disagree
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what i'm trying to say, is that mom is not fine for the most killers and also on the most important part of the game against GOOD survivors. Nurse add ons are getting reworked as i know, so they are doing something. And now mom affect Nurse. As i said i do tunnel, only when i'm pissed off or i'm losing much pressure while 1-2 gens are remaining to take one survivor away from the game. But now you can't even do that with SOME killers, you'll just lose, and i'll repating again, AGAINST SURVIVORS WHO KNOWS HOW TO PLAY THE GAME, EVEN IF THE KILLER PATROLS CORRECTLY and KNOW WHEN TO QUIT A CHASE
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@Usui maybe because sometimes you got no choice to get a kill? ah patrolling gen, how the ######### are you supposed to kill survivors patrolling gens? guys you are amazing
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@thebean the game should be enjoyable also at higher ranks for both side, if both side are playing at their best.. i don't find enjoyement playing with low ranks, surviving easily or kill everyone with no effort... If the game was longer, maybe a secondary objective or so, mom wouldn't be an issue, but the fact as killer you have no time..the game balance should be up to those who play the game at the best, not casual. i find fun at higher ranks, the problem is about the game health in general and especially for most of the killers, i don't mind playing billy, spirit, legion or myers, it's the lack of variety that kills the game.. it's easy to say derank, or just play those 2 killer, to ignore a problem behind the game in general and this perk. For me they did pretty well in this year, the solved many issues and they are into the right path, hatch standoff solved, fps improved, right survivors and killer nerf, they just ######### up with this perk.. adding spirit fury to counter infinite looping, nerf ds(wich is still good), and then they add mom..bruh no offense seriously if you think mom is fine i don't think you play both sides enough, and you didn't meet half team running the perk, combined with ds, dstrike, bt, adrenaline
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the argument here, is that Mom somehow breaks the game, if everyone run it, and i've seen too much 2-3 mom for game.. i know every killer is not meant to be at the same level of power, but it also ridicoulous that 3-4 killers are amazing and the others sucks even more now..that's my point.. Mom is fair only against Nurse for the lack of counterplay, but then? it's a broken perk.