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I'm starting to not see the value in the 4% attempt. At this point it is just an excuse to get around the DC timer. If you have deliverance it can just I've you an activation prompt.

in What Else Can Be Done For Solo Queue? Comment by WesCravenFan January 8, 2023

@Johnny_XMan said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3314247#Comment_3314247
Imagine complaining about "whataboutism" in a thread that had nothing to do with bobyblocking in the first place, changing the topic and complaining about whataboutism. Cringe.

The original topic is whining that a triple body block didn't work because of a wiggle bug, because an ENTIRE team threw themselves at the killer.

The cringe came frontloaded.

in Apparently killers can get basekit mad grit now :) Comment by WesCravenFan January 8, 2023

@Johnny_XMan said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3313889#Comment_3313889
You just don’tget it but that’s ok.
Go make your own thread about how you don’t like bodyblocking. Because this thread isn’t it.

No, I get it just fine. You are being obtuse to the point of extreme whataboutism. FYI, the logical fallacies list is not a checklist.

in Apparently killers can get basekit mad grit now :) Comment by WesCravenFan January 8, 2023

@Johnny_XMan said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3313795#Comment_3313795
And you advocate for realism vs fantasy…but only when it serves your argument.
Pick one.
It either looks as odd/silly/stupid as other things within the game or you are just cherry picking for your own sake.
Why would I drop a pallet when I can fight back? That’s part of being in survival mode. Now continue to deflect the question by telling me about how the entity took away all knives and shot guns out of of the game while also explaining the how it’s not logical to take a hit for someone in a GAME.

Because that is the literal truth.

How WOULD you fight back? What possible tools would you even use?

Let's assume for two seconds you can find a knife in say, a drawer in haddonfield. What are you gonna do with that? Stab the Nemesis with it? Kill Michael Myers?

You think Dwight, the office idiot, armed with a steak knife, is going to "fight back" against Pyramidhead?

in Apparently killers can get basekit mad grit now :) Comment by WesCravenFan January 7, 2023

@caramelpudding said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3313746#Comment_3313746
Jesus Christ, this is a only a video game. You should behave like a normal human being.
Sometimes I really get the feeling some killer mains are living a disturbing fantasy with this game.

That is literally what immersion is.

If I behaved "like a normal human being", most of us would never be able to bring ourselves to press the M1 key to do a basic attack.

in What’s happening to DBD?… Comment by WesCravenFan January 7, 2023

I think gens feel like they are going faster simply because killers before could, let's be honest, run to stop a hook save, then LET you get the unhook for a free instadown on the victim as their feet hit the ground and put them back on the hook. It's what Borrowed Time so critical.

It was an instant second hook state. Now, there's a second chase involved. It's common for unhooked Survivors to make it to windows or pallets, where they can make up those lost 10 seconds of added gens time.

in Something to consider: What did DS get replaced by? Comment by WesCravenFan January 7, 2023

@GensByDaylight said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3313746#Comment_3313746
The survivor community is just expecting to win.
If you tunnel as a killer? Prepare to be screamed at nonstop in endgame chat.
If you bring too many slowdowns? Nonstop complaints.
If you camp as a killer? Well, you know what happens.
If you BM as a killer? Prepare to be called things like "toxic tryhard" and "uninstall the game kid".
If as survivor, they bring 3 commodius BNP, with genrush builds, and one looping build, and finish all gens within 4 minutes and nonstop BM the killer at the exit gate, the killer is not allowed to complain, otherwise he is a terrible human.
Its just how games where 4 players play against 1 work, the survivors have a much larger voice.

Don't forget you aren't allowed to AFK, either! NOT playing the game ALSO ruins games for Survivors!

in What’s happening to DBD?… Comment by WesCravenFan January 7, 2023

My flowchart would be:

Were the remaining Survivors decently behaved towards me?

Yes?

Have I completed the goal I went in here for, such as 4 Hatchets, or 2 Cages?

Yes?

You may go.

in Am I not supposed to hook the remaining Survivors? Comment by WesCravenFan January 7, 2023

I'd just settle for a speed increase on node selection so it doesn't take 45 minutes to spend bloodpoints.

in Please get rid of mandatory prestige. Comment by WesCravenFan January 7, 2023

The most worthless teammate is not the one doing a totem or chest.

It's the guy that only wants to get into chases because he hates doing gens, then screams at his teammates for not doing the objective.

in Could the upcoming survivor HUD lead to toxicity ? Comment by WesCravenFan January 7, 2023

@Johnny_XMan said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3313787#Comment_3313787
Point is if you’re gonna complain about something looking “stupid” which is honestly just your opinion. Complain about the rest too.
Oh so now you want to talk about the entity aka the games. Got it 😂 I thought we were focused on reality here.

It makes sense the entity would remove items from a trial it doesn't want in there. Like Nemesis' rocket launcher.

WHY would three people run in to intentional get hurt?

Also, weird way to actually advocate for whataboutism there, dude.

in Apparently killers can get basekit mad grit now :) Comment by WesCravenFan January 7, 2023

@Johnny_XMan said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3313758#Comment_3313758
Again. We could say that about many things.
“Well let me grab a gun or knife to protect myself against someone trying to kill me…nah let’s drop a pallet instead and run around”
It’s a game.

There are no guns to grab. Where would a Survivor even find one? It's clear the entity removed them. Even the military/cop characters had their holsters emptied. The only time you see a gun is in the RE trailers. And it didn't even do anything!

in Apparently killers can get basekit mad grit now :) Comment by WesCravenFan January 7, 2023

@Johnny_XMan said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3312472#Comment_3312472
What's wrong with blocking the hook to save a friend? It's a legit strat.

Well, it looks freaking stupid.

"Let's all run in front of Michael Myers and let him stab us!"

in Apparently killers can get basekit mad grit now :) Comment by WesCravenFan January 7, 2023

in 5 Best *Designed* Killers In The Game? Comment by WesCravenFan January 7, 2023

Best Designed:

1.) Trapper

2.) Oni

3.) Dredge

4.) Huntress

5.) Old Freddy

Worst Designed:

1.) Blight

2.) Wesker

3.) Wraith

4.) Twins

5.) Freddy

in 5 Best *Designed* Killers In The Game? Comment by WesCravenFan January 7, 2023

@Eelanos said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/360541/what-s-happening-to-dbd
I agree people are kind of getting particularly toxic recently, but as much as I hate getting mori'd and tombstoned, those are not toxic in and of themselves. Annoying, yes, but not toxic.
Plus, the Knight's guards vanish as soon as you touch the person on hook. They really aren't that great of a camping tool.
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3313666#Comment_3313666
Regardless of how right the OP is, just because you're playing as a serial killer doesn't mean you have to behave as one. It's still a game.
Besides, slugging the last person to death while you teabag their body is toxic, but isn't exactly the most "killer"-like behaviour. People sometimes are just a**holes and that's about it.

If you think Killers do not treat their victims horribly before finishing them off, I have some movie recommendations for you.

Also yes, you should behave like a serial killer. It is how you win. This game is not tennis and does not follow its rules for "sportsmanship".

in What’s happening to DBD?… Comment by WesCravenFan January 7, 2023

@Pulsar said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3313712#Comment_3313712
I do, however, my team hasn't evolved the capacity to do that yet.

That's fair. We've all had games where some doof has to feed Myers like they are at the zoo.

in At this point, Just remove Myers from the game Comment by WesCravenFan January 7, 2023

Myers is fine. Avoid him instead of teabagging him after dropping a pallet in his face.

in At this point, Just remove Myers from the game Comment by WesCravenFan January 7, 2023

@Forza said:
Survivors stacking gen rush perks to deal with gen kick meta.
Play without gen kick perks and get destroyed.
Play without gen rush perks and get destroyed.
Neither side can really win in this meta. Killers routinely won't even chase survivors anymore unless they're near a generator. Survivors take a hit, run to the boon totem and heal, killer kicks the gen in the meantime, eventually the killer finds an easy target, someone gets hooked, maybe a gen gets done, but eventually that easy target gets knocked out of the game and at that point 3 survivors can't compete against a gen kicking killer anymore. That's how most games go and end.
Both sides, I think, need some of their gen rush and gen kick tools declawed - for the health of the game.

There's no incentive to chase.

The only reason to chase for that long outside of your gen patrol range is to give satisfaction to the Twitch streamer SWFer looking for content between hits of his vape pen while he insults you for literally everything.

in State of the game Comment by WesCravenFan January 7, 2023

@Rudjohns said:
The Game is one of the most balanced maps in the game
Break the many pallets and the map is a complete dead zone
There are barely any safe windows in the map

You mean the 23 pallets that can easily be used to soak up the time needed for all 5 gens?

THOSE pallets?

in When is The Game (map) going to be addressed Comment by WesCravenFan January 7, 2023

@junicorn said:
I really don’t understand how this game can go from memeing in snowmen and having fun with the killer, to getting beaten to death on the hook, slugged as last person alive until bleeding out on the ground, instantly removed from the match because of ultra-rare addons like tombstone or offerings like mori. It seems like camping and tunneling that one survivor for a mori is more important than actually playing the game and letting everyone enjoy it. Why is Behavior allowing this type of toxic behavior? Instead of preventing it, they are making it easier for people. A killer that can send «guards» to camp the hooks for them, seriously? These changes are ruining the whole community and experience. The more toxic players there are, the less wholesome and nice players. Is that really what we want?

Why are do you think a role called KILLER is supposed to be nice to you?

in What’s happening to DBD?… Comment by WesCravenFan January 7, 2023

I cannot tell you how many flashlight bullies have gotten ratted out by my crows.

"Yuge birb value." - Scott Jund

in Bizarrely Limited Perks Comment by WesCravenFan January 7, 2023

PUBG closing storm mechanic WHEN?!

in Survivors being able to take the game hostage is a problem. Comment by WesCravenFan January 6, 2023

@Zephinism said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3312830#Comment_3312830
Given you don't know the difference between Eruption and Pain Res you clearly don't play Survivor at all, so you must run into the occasional toxic SWF squad.

Yeeeup. You got me. Never played a game of Survivor in my life. Nope. No, sir. Every single one of those achievements is a.... um... graphical bug.

in This game makes me sad Comment by WesCravenFan January 6, 2023

@Seraphor said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3310719#Comment_3310719
Yeah, I'd be happy with "no survivors escaping through the exits".

I guess the go to offering for Killer Adepts is going to be to spawn the hatch in Killer Shack and then get the last kill near it and camp it for hatch spawn. Then hope the gates are not halfway to New Jersey.

in Clarification on Adepts and ragequits Comment by WesCravenFan January 6, 2023

@StarLost said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3312890#Comment_3312890
Eh. The only time clown squads annoy me is when it's a coordinated 'you can't hook us' squad with multiple sabos who know hook deadzones. Otherwise I welcome it, as you're basically giving me a chance to come back. Be as silly as you like, I'm not going to lose my cool - and make one mistake...
What does grate my cheese on killer is the duo I seem to run into at least once a day.
You know the exact duo I'm describing.
3gen themselves, then sulk - and spend the next 20 minutes hiding in a locker or a bush in some weird corner of the map, using <redacted> to never get AFK crows in the hopes that you DC.
Those are the games that make me lose my cool.
The 3gen thing can be a pain, but at least you can just bumrush in and if you die, you die.

I once had a pair do that to me on old Coldwind.

I was Freddy.

22 minutes of that crap.

in This game makes me sad Comment by WesCravenFan January 6, 2023

@StarLost said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3312788#Comment_3312788
Uh...did you read the OP? Because this is pure whataboutism, and not even whataboutism on the same topic.
He's talking about the prisoner's dilemma that is playing killer - meme around, play chill and you get stomped into the ground by a strong SWF who tell you to uninstall in postgame and attempt to friend you on Steam to berate you some more.
Go in hard from the start, someone DCs 2 minutes into the match and you get called every name under the sun in postgame.
And no, it's not just a 'skill issue'.
It's partially a balance issues (with the right map and perks, survivors can do gens faster than they were pre 6.1.0) and partially a matchmaking issue, but...like:
https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/U568KJKHINWN/smurfs.jpg
Christmas Eve. Last game of the night before relatives arrive. So fire up Demo, chill perks and a flan.
Get sent to Garden of Joy by 3 comp players running Fogwise x2, Hyperfocus x3, PTS x1, Stakeout x3, DH x3 and a BNP a piece. And the infinite spawned in the main structure.
I'm an okay Demo player, but there was...just nothing I could do. Gens flew, Fogwise meant that they could see me coming a mile away and I ended with...I think 3 or 4 hooks total, two of which were on the solo. Postgame, I realized that the least experienced of the three had 7k hours, with me at <1k split between survivor and killer.
How exactly do you outskill that without knowing the sort of team you'll be facing before you start the game, and just bringing your strongest killer and perks?
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3312830#Comment_3312830
Eh, solo can be pretty obnoxious too - but this isn't a 'killer is harder than survivor' thread. It's a 'killer can be bloody frustrating' thread.

I didn't say harder. There's just a difference between losing because you lost (even tunneled), and having a nightmare drawn out and out and out because you are getting bagged, clicked, Head-On'd, flashbanged, and having the egc milked for every last possible second.

The only solo queue equivalent would be Mr. Knight's 3 Gen Jamboree.

in This game makes me sad Comment by WesCravenFan January 6, 2023

@kaneyboy said:
Pinhead sitting on his box in a snowman should had been instantly fixed- why does this game take so long to address issues? Things like this make people not want to play.

You wanted BHVR to do something to stop one killer from doing one strat that throws the game for himself that only works during a limited time event?

This is a big deal?

in Why wasn’t pin head’s abuse of the snowman instantly fixed? Comment by WesCravenFan January 6, 2023

@jajay119 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3312304#Comment_3312304
I'm more than happy to lose Bubba. I want more Billy. ,

Losing Bubba won't increase the number of Billy players. And people only want more Billy players because he is insanely easy to loop.

@Rulebreaker said:
....on the one hand good riddance to the camping lawnmowers, on the other we really don't want to see more things go... We're so torn...

I'm not torn at all. Bubba is a fantastic killer and I would never want him removed. I can name FIVE killers worse for this game than Leatherface.

in Could the devs be losing Leatherface's license which will lead to Bubba's removal? Comment by WesCravenFan January 6, 2023

@Mockingjay_S451 said:
uhmmmm… if you think being killer is exhausting. Hello, solo queue? Talk about a physiological investment.
Killer is as strong as it ever has been. As others have said, if you struggle with killer it’s a skill issue (not meaning this as a dig, it’s just the truth).

I would rather do 10 solo queue games than a single game of Killer against a SWF toxic squad.

This is not even a comparison.

There's losing (Aw shucks. We lost), and then there is being personally humiliated for 10 minutes straight.

in This game makes me sad Comment by WesCravenFan January 6, 2023

@AmpersandUnderscore said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3311902#Comment_3311902
So you agree with the first part of that same sentence: that it needs restrictions.
The previous meta gen kick perk was pop, which required a hook, was only active 45 seconds, and worked on only one gen. That kind of change would make the incapacitation far less common/oppressive.

It already HAS restrictions. You have to kick a gen already in progress, find a survivor, chase them, hurt, chase them AGAIN, and then down them.

To extend the game by a variable number of seconds, which could potentially be zero.

In comparison, Dead Hard can undo an entire chase of mindgames by pressing the E key when hurt.

in Still no Eruption nerf? Comment by WesCravenFan January 6, 2023

@steamed_hamzzz said:
Sometimes tunnelling is necessary I get it, I don’t like to do it but if all gens are done or the last one is about to pop any second and I need someone dead ASAP then sometimes you have no choice
But proxy camping then tunnelling someone right off the bat, when no gens have even been completed yet is where I draw the line
The big problem is how efficient this is, technically speaking it’s the most efficient way to play killer, make the game 3v1 as soon as possible, so how do we fix that?
Add incentives for the killer not to tunnel? Add buffs to the recently unhooked survivor to make tunnelling harder? Revert the DS nerf? Make ‘Off The Record’ base kit? There’s countless possibilities that could be implemented and I really hope something gets done soon.

A person's playstyle is not bottlenecked or gated based on how many gens are left.

in Tunnelling at 5 gens needs to be addressed Comment by WesCravenFan January 6, 2023

@TheWheelOfCheese said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3312670#Comment_3312670
Per-killer MMR precludes the option to switch killers. You could queue with a low-MMR killer then swap to Nurse.
Killers are supposed to have the advantage that they can see the survivors and their items, however. The problem is that last-second swaps can deny this advantage.
TBH the fix is pretty simple: survivors have to lock their loadout in 45 seconds. Once their loadout is locked, the killer can still change theirs for another 30 seconds. This increases the lobby timer from 1:00 to 1:15 but prevents survivors from denying the killer their knowledge advantage.

I think this is the right approach. You can still switch, but there is a lock after a certain point so there is no last second stuff.

in Can we please lock survivor qeues like we did for killer? Comment by WesCravenFan January 6, 2023

@Seraphor said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3310260#Comment_3310260
Eruption procs on down, not on hook.

Welcome to ignoring several pages of replies where this was already addressed.

in Still no Eruption nerf? Comment by WesCravenFan January 6, 2023

@AmpersandUnderscore said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3311844#Comment_3311844
The problem with eruption is that the perk removes your character from normal gameplay for an extremely long time. Every other mechanic in the game that does this has some method built in to at least mitigate or avoid being forced to idle as a survivor. Not having that is, among other things, simply poor game design.
Being a PvP game, the most common ways a survivor is removed from normal play involve direct interaction with the killer player. Being hooked, slugged, or killed/sacrificed all have counterplay depending on how the survivor (and killer) plays. And being human, there's always a chance of error on either side of the equation.
There are only two ways to disable an opponent in DBD that both don't involve direct interaction with your opponent and have no warning or telegraph to avoid (consistent counterplay, as you put it). Those are Blast Mine and Eruption.
Blast Mine expires after 60 seconds, must be earned before it can be used at all, and can only apply to one gen at a time even once earned. Blast Mine is also one of few perks in the game generally considered to be 'fair' by both sides, partially because of these restrictions. Even then, Blast Mine is only a 4 second stun and would need to be a roughly 6.25 second stun to be comparable to eruption (which is ridiculous).
Eruption has no restrictions to when it can be used, can be applied to every gen on the map at once, and never expires until it is used. There could possibly be an argument for the cooldown if the Eruption cool down applied on gen kick instead of on activation, but as it is, the perk is effectively always available.
And that is the current problem with eruption. The perk needs restrictions to use or a warning or telegraph so it can be avoided completely.

And it is your last sentence that is the problem. No, it should not be able to be avoided completely.

in Still no Eruption nerf? Comment by WesCravenFan January 5, 2023

@Katzengott said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3311844#Comment_3311844
And still SWFs are able to counter Eruption almost every time and more efficient. But the subtle help for solos was actually smart.
Overall, killers will still prioritize Eruption. Because with Pain Res, the counter for ALL survs is just too easy.

It is true that Eruption is pretty much better than the other options. Because the control is in the Killer's hands. Pain Res is at the mercy of RNG placement, Call of Brine can be gen tapped and left by a lurking survivor, etc.

So there is a gap between its usefulness, true.

in Still no Eruption nerf? Comment by WesCravenFan January 5, 2023

@Katzengott said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3310462#Comment_3310462
The new chaser icon on the HUD will def help solos with Eruption, if you mean that...

I do. Previously Eruption was an issue because there was nothing you can do except not do gens at all. Which is dumb, obviously. Unless you knew for a fact a gen was never touched that game, you pretty much blundered into it.

With the new HUD telling you someone is now in chase, you now have to make a judgement call. "Do I stay on it a bit longer, or do I get off of it?"

And there are people that are like "Well, that's not fair because you can't know for sure!".

Because they demand counterplay that literally works 100% of the time. And they don't seem to understand that in a 4v1 having the power to completely negate and shut down an action from the 1 by the 4 is horribly bad game design.

in Still no Eruption nerf? Comment by WesCravenFan January 5, 2023

@Pulsar said:
So at the theoretical highest level of play (which isn't consistent due to the MMR not working that way), you need to play sweaty against other sweaty people.

Keanuwhoa.gif

in Winning without tunneling at high MMR is near impossible Comment by WesCravenFan January 5, 2023

I only care about getting a Merciless if I am going for an adept.

I give hatch every game unless the Survivor was a jerk.

in My only issue with 4k = merciless is that it hurts friendly'ish killers who like to give hatch Comment by WesCravenFan January 5, 2023

@Nihlus said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3310277#Comment_3310277
If you're off the gen for even 7 seconds, you have stalled your progress on that generator even more Eruption would have cost you over the entire 25 seconds of regression. The incapacitation effect needs to go. It still gives 10% instant regression and a scream. That's more than enough for a single perk.

Then that is where you need to make a read and make the call. Do I get off or not?

Some people want perfectly spoonfed "counterplay" that works ALL the time.

in Still no Eruption nerf? Comment by WesCravenFan January 5, 2023

@Nihlus said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3302825#Comment_3302825
Except the generators don't have feelings and aren't going to be upset to be removed from the game right away. That generator doesn't care that it's been completed. It sucks to see gens start to fly as the killer, sure, but the game isn't actually over until those gates are open and people have left. Up until that moment, you can and absolutely will be able to still get kills. It's just that most people don't want to keep trying when they aren't getting a blowout victory as a killer.
Here's a hint: Stop playing sweaty. Play for fun, lose until your MMR is back to where you can play for fun and still get kills. The harder you play, the harder your games will be.

The "feelings" argument goes out the window at Mach 4 as soon as you remember Survivors don't care about Killer feelings.

in Extra chance perks Comment by WesCravenFan January 5, 2023

@MrMori said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3310277#Comment_3310277
Yeah I'll just go ahead and let go of any gen I assume may have been kicked by the killer whenever an injured person is being chased on the HUD. Too bad that 30 second chase went to waste cause I had to let go of the gen since I had no clue when the survivor was going down, but at least I countered eruption.

Yep. I would. In fact, it would be a perfect time to start putting progress on a brand new gen. And again, if your Survivor pal just ran the killer for over 30 seconds, grats. Every unkicked gen just got 1/3rd of all its progress done from a SINGLE CHASE.

Yeah, what a terrible spot your team is in. /s