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@pemberley said:
Legion is just a mess right now. I adored old Freddy warts and all and he was so fun and you COULD do nasty things with him - but Legion is just bad and toothless to boot.
I feel like it is completely out of character for them not to see blood - if anything, built in bloodhound makes more sense for them since they literally revel in carnage. Arguably same goes for missing shots, since their whole schtick is Stabby Stabby.
Legion has absolutely nothing survivors need to fear. No pressure, no lethal power, limited as heck mobility, absolute trash add ons. They need a full on rework and makeover.
I personally would also like to see the other Legion members incorporated into the power in some way since right now it’s essentially just a gimmick for cosmetics. I also think Legion should ALWAYS have access to their fast vaults - maybe even bake the break pallet add on into their kit.
One of the things you mentioned has been worked out in my thread (Sorry for mentioning it so much but I want it alive so Devs see it)! It incorporates other Legion members into a trap of sorts! Go check it out!
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@Seth_Kate said:
Some of these ideas are reall cool especially the one with the Legion members being summoned. I´m shure there are many more ideas floating around in the heads of other players and I hope the devs use some as soon as possible.
Thank you! If you have any ideas please put them there! I wanna keep that thread alive so Devs see it!
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@arslaN said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/754260#Comment_754260
I'd say people playing spirit wants easy games too. I mostly play survivor but when I play spirit the games are just very very easy. It's almost a guaranteed 4k every match.
If survivors don't complain, then why don't killers also complain that much? This forum is still mostly filled with, gen times are too fast, keys op, survivors op, ds is op posts from killers.
Also, only spirit and billy giving survivors challange is a lie. I lose against all sorts of killers at rank 1. Stop pretending that it's impossible or something. Freddy, hag, huntress, billy, nurse, spirit and maybe even plague are perfectly viable. The others are still viable but you are going to have a hard time.
Also! There are plenty of crying on BOTH sides of the field here! Don't just be biased!
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*cries in Legion main*
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Ahhh I so wish a Dev would comment on this so i know they have seen all these lovely Ideas!
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@GodNap said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/753764#Comment_753764
I would main this 100%
IKR!?! It's SO GOOD!
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@TheRockstarKnight said:
Honestly Legion needs a complete power rework IMO. Preferably something that makes use of the 'multiple Killers as one's aspect of them.
That said, a quick fix I'd do to make them more fun to play would just be to make Feral Frenzy infinite unless the Legion is stunned, misses a swing, or ends their power.
Change Frank's Mixtape so that it Considerably increases Power Recovery and make the Feral Frenzy Duration add-ons into Feral Frenzy speed add-ons.
Bam, Legion's power becomes usable and fun without them becoming overpowered.
Also make the buttons apply on first hit. I don't understand why that hasn't been done yet.
Oooo, can you go add that over at my thread? https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/93454/a-simple-idea-for-legion-rework-buff-you-decide/p1
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@Seth_Kate said:
Thats´s true! Maybe it would help if the devs would admonish the people who get reportet such horrible things and after 3 strikes you would get a ban for a week or something like that.
I agrre!
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@Seth_Kate said:
Yes please!
Here you go! If you get an idea or like any, Please tell me what you think in it!
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@silverwolf4455 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/754199#Comment_754199
No bad Legion! Down boy! Lol
Awwww But I can stab! (I have a really healthy Legion rework Thread over in Feedback if you wanna check it out!)
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Also yes! I would like the "It's Legion! Hate them!" meme to stop. I get told to go kill myself for playing Legion! That's too far.
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Hii hiii! I got a really healthy Legion rework thread in Feedback! You want a Link?
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@TheRockstarKnight said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/754098#Comment_754098
If it's such a non-issue then why are you against changing it back?
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/754072#Comment_754072
I can't speak for everyone else, but I'm not freaking out or crying about this; I'm complaining in a calm and respectful manner about what I see as an unnecessary change.
Michael doesn't NEED this trait, but it was cool, not OP, and I haven't seen that many people complaining about it.
I get trying to make the game more understandable for new players, but doing so at the expense of what makes certain Killers unique just seems like a bad idea to me.
Hmm you do have a point! We do need unique Killers! I mean, Legion was... but look what happened to them... *cries in Legion main*
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@MegaWaffle said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/751505#Comment_751505
So is Tbagging but people still do it.
Honestly the change was made to have killer swings around the hook more accurate and not target the hooked person so I enjoy its removal.
I mean, if they Tbag me, I just have a tbag chase match as Ghost Face next. Like, it's been a thing since Halo. Move on. THey can dip there bags in whatever hot water they want.
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@silverwolf4455 said:
Instead of all the nerfs can we not just buff the underperforming killers? The dev's take so long to look at killers when they could change small number values on the weaker killers every patch until they come into line with some of the stronger killers. I would rather see stronger killers than weaker survivors. I used to like to punish slugging with a needle, r.i.p that lol. I understand that some of the survivor things make the weaker m1 killers suck to play but why not just buff them?
*cries in Legion main*
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HII HIII! I have a huge thread over in Feed back about this! Would you like a link to go check out some of the really good ideas there?
REMEMBER The reason the old Legion was hated so much was they put the chase on a timer! We want to avoid that but keep the Rush down playstyle! It's kinda crazy to balance but Legion needs some love!
There are some interesting ideas here as well! I'll have to read them more and think about them!
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Got ya! Go check it out!
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@Atrushan88 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/754069#Comment_754069
There's nothing as strong as a mori. It's an offering for one(it also literally halves a killer's requirements:12 hits instead of 24, since killers always wait for the unhook to down them right away), survivors don't have an iri offering. For two, it can be used with other iri things(of which survivors again, can only use one), and for three, the only thing I can imagine you talking about would be instaheals, which again, are not as powerful, and are getting nerfed.
As for the GhostFace thing, tbagging Ghostface is funny. So I don't mind you memeing with crouch movement speed addons.
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/754076#Comment_754076
Yes, it's usually clear whether it is meant as one or not, you just happened to say it WAS regardless of context, which I corrected.
But i'd rather not get into this! This tends to get people really really Killer Vs. Survivor! So let's just stay civil!
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@xBEATDOWNSx said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/754071#Comment_754071
Lots and lots of practice. It honestly just comes down to muscle memory.
You're going to mess up with her at first. A lot. Like more than you even think possible but you get somewhat of a feel for her blinking, the things you can do are insane.
Want me to put a link in your profile for the Legion rework thread I have so you can tell me what you think and such?
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@Zombi37 said:
How can u guys play as the nurse? Shes super shakey after blinking at survivors. It makes me super dizzy so this makes me feel like shes a trash killer.
Her blinks make me wanna puke! SO i have no idea how you play her!
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Woo... it's crazy how upset people get over one change! I still play Legion after they got cratered (never used the exploit btw!). Just breathe and remember the game is for fun!
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@Atrushan88 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/754034#Comment_754034
It's only disrespect if it's intended to be disrespectful. You can tbag a Ghosface to try to get them to tbag back. You can tbag to brag, you can tbag to say hello to other people, you can tbag to say "Screw your mori, I still got out despite you using an overpowered offering of iridescent quality in which case I have nothing like that". tbagging is amoral. It's the user behind it which determines things like it's intention.
Hi! I won't point out things you can use that are as strong as a mori!
But I will say, if you Tbag me when i'm playing Ghost Face, i'll Tbag chase you! Crouch movement speed add-ons!
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@xBEATDOWNSx said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/754057#Comment_754057
Dawg people hate when you can play Legion well. He's my other main and it's insane how much hate mail i get for it. It's never that serious hahaha
Yeah! I don't get why Legion hating is a meme now! They are literally pixels on a screen representing code in a game, that make up an almost adult Killer with a knife.
It's a game people!
Also! I shall always keep my Legion rework thread alive till the devs comment on it!
Also also, Ghost Face is my second main!
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@xBEATDOWNSx said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/754054#Comment_754054
While yes it is fun, I still do get the sweats. Gotta remember rank resets and smurfs exist.
And I still get the reds SWF groups I just shrug it off. I'm too old to be sweaty in a damn game. I just want to, ya know, have fun and play.
I agree!
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@JasonTrent1297 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/745493#Comment_745493
Dude did you just call Leatherface OP?
They got banned! They (and another) were going around trying to stir up drama and then compared the game to... Well i'm not going there! But don't expect an answer!
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Hi! I get told to kill myself in Red ranks cause I do well as Legion! Go figure! ( and I report the bastards!)
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*reads the few replies, then dies laughing* Ohhhh that's adorable! Never again! Yall HAVE to understand how that's terrible right? You have to be joking right? Please please tell me you are! You can't HONESTLY believe it's fair to drop a pallet on someone that CAN'T MOVE cause of an animation! If you do please, I urge you to seek professional help!
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@NullSp3c said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/754007#Comment_754007
I just hate when its endgame and 2 or 3 people come to the hook trying to unhook the survivor and legion's power can do absolutely nothing about it.
I just spammed hits to get the old vibe of a spamming killer, i dont bm. I dont think it is fun to annoy other people 1st.
STBFL! It's so good on Legion!
You want sneaky? STBFL+ Blood Warden (BAMBOOZLE REQUIEM!)+ Remember Me (I mean, you will hit the obsession, might as well get time.)+ Whatever.
I've gotten so many people that Tbag after opening the gates... only to realize that... they can't leave... and there's Legion coming barreling down on them with 8 stacks of STBFL...
My personal fav is Thrilling+ Surge+ Corrupt+ and STBFL though!
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@NuclearBurrito said:
Mettle of Man
- While you are Healthy, injured Survivors within 8/12/16 meters of you have the Endurance status effect
- If a Survivor absorbs a hit this way you will be put into the injured state
Basically you transfer hits on other Survivors to "hit" you instead.
In this state? Nope!
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@NullSp3c said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/753021#Comment_753021
The hook thing is actually a good change, dont get me wrong. It makes unrelenting meta now. Jk it will never in its current state.
I will just miss spamming hits with legion while in frenzy.
I'd rather do that to the poor fools that think its a good idea to try and sneak up and unhook with me there!
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I mean... Myers IS 7-8 foot tall with stiff knees. Hard to hide that!
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*cries in Legion main*
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I mean, they can dip there bags into any hot water they want. Not my issue. If it happens alot I get on Ghost Face with both "Movement speed while crouched" add-ons and Tbag chase people.
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@MongByeolBuddies said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/753776#Comment_753776
Wow. Thanks man!!! :) I'm a little biased, hehe, but I too would love it if this would be implemented. I would actually start playing Legion again. I read about that Doctor lunge idea last week and thought it was cool. I'm sure it was in the back of my head and helped me come up with this idea.
I don't have a strong opinion on whether Legion should be alerted or not. I could go either way.
Right now, here's what I'm leaning toward though. If the survivor sets off the Mob Mentality trap, the Legion gets some kind of audio and/or visual cue. If the survivor fully detects the trap, the Legion doesn't get notified.
This way Legion gets rewarded for good and hard to spot trap placement and the survivors get rewarded for good detection.
What do you think?
Good ideas! The only other thing is what is the minimum range that the "Stare at trap and make it go bye bye" thing would come into effect? I might Edit my first post to include this in it so people see it first! (Crediting you of course!)
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@MongByeolBuddies said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/753447#Comment_753447
Thanks! I might be in the minority on this, but I actually like Ghostface and have a lot of fun playing him. My main gripe is just the lack of add-ons comparable to the increased Night Shroud recovery rate ones and the fact that crouch, at least for me, isn't very useful.
Also, guess who my second favorite Killer is? Ghost Face!
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@MongByeolBuddies said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/753496#Comment_753496
Alright I just posted my idea -- both to your forum and as a new discussion. Hope you like it!
AHHH ITS SO GOOD
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..... OH MY GODDESS THAT SOUNDS COOL!
That's some good thinking there! You get to keep the rush down with FF but then you get a bit of a Trap play too. I love the idea of cosmetics carrying over AND it keeps the reason to buy them for the Devs!
I love the idea of any power that makes a lunge kinda thing. I've lobbied for Doc to get illusions to lunge to scare survivors... BUT HOLY CRAP! The thought of a survivor losing Deep wounds, getting confused then getting jumped by Joe with a heavy slash from triggering the trap! Woo!
I've always wanted to have them work TOGETHER but I couldn't get the idea to work in my head BUT THIS IS AMAZING! Ahhh! I wish the Devs would comment and see all this! All of the ideas here are so good!
The only question I have is, would Legion have an alert to let them know one of the other members have been "banished"?
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@MongByeolBuddies said:
(Thanks @UlvenDagoth for the inspiration.)
Here's my idea to help with, imo, Legion's two main problems:
* For killers, that’s getting a second hit and downing the survivor.
* For survivors, it's having to mend, which is boring and makes Legion obnoxious to go against.
My solution -- Give Legion a secondary power.
Mob Mentality:
When a survivor is suffering from the Deep Wound status effect, press the secondary power button to remove the survivor's Deep Wound status effect and summon one of the three other Legion members.
(If multiple survivors are suffering from the Deep Wound status effect, one survivor will be randomly selected when the Legion presses the secondary power button.)
The Legion member will appear 2 seconds later, crouched down in the spot you summoned him or her and wait for any survivor to get within range. When a survivor is within range, the Legion member will lunge at the survivor and attempt to hit them.
If a healthy survivor is hit, he or she will be injured; if an injured survivor is hit, he or she will enter the dying state.
Regardless of whether the hit connects, the Legion member will dissipate in a cloud of smoke.
Legion can summon all three other members this way. If Legion summons a member while all three members are currently on the map, the first member to be summoned will switch to the new location. Legion cannot summon members within 8 meters of another member.
Survivors within a close proximity to Legion members can detect them by looking in their direction for 3 seconds. During detection, survivors will receive an audio cue. Once fully detected, the Legion member will dissipate in a cloud of smoke.
Also, Mob Mentality is a trap so perks, such as Small Game, will work against them.
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Add-on changes to reflect Mob Mentality:
The Legion Pin -- The auras of survivors who fully detect a Legion member or are hit by him or her are revealed for 4 seconds.
Frank’s Mixed Tape -- Legion members are invisible to survivors outside of 8 meters.
Fuming Mixed Tape -- Legion can summon members without requiring survivors to be inflicted with the Deep Wound status effect. Considerably decreases the amount of time required for Survivors to complete the Mend action.
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Mob Mentality provides a tool for Legion to counter looping, as well as set ambushes. Survivors paying attention can also detect when the Mob Mentality power has been used as the Deep Wound status effect will immediately disappear. It also speeds up the game for both the survivors and killers if the Legion uses Mob Mentality because Legion can get quicker downs and survivors won’t have to mend.
Plus, I think it would be awesome for Legion to actually play like, you know, a Legion! Lastly, if possible, it would be extremely cool if the teammates you summoned could wear any cosmetics you’ve acquired, making it so you could customize the look of your own Legion.
..... OH MY GODDESS THAT SOUNDS COOL!
That's some good thinking there! You get to keep the rush down with FF but then you get a bit of a Trap play too. I love the idea of cosmetics carrying over AND it keeps the reason to buy them for the Devs!
I love the idea of any power that makes a lunge kinda thing. I've lobbied for Doc to get illusions to lunge to scare survivors... BUT HOLY CRAP! The thought of a survivor losing Deep wounds, getting confused then getting jumped by Joe with a heavy slash from triggering the trap! Woo!
I've always wanted to have them work TOGETHER but I couldn't get the idea to work in my head BUT THIS IS AMAZING! Ahhh! I wish the Devs would comment and see all this! All of the ideas here are so good!
The only question I have is, would Legion have an alert to let them know one of the other members have been "banished"?
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Umm... I play Killer the most so I will take the angle of Lore!
Clown and Legion cause how how fricken REAL they are. Ghostface for the same reason.
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@Raven014 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/752987#Comment_752987
I would get julie's because I'm a julie main, but I'd at least get Frank's body cosmetics. Not a fan of the knives though, even if they are aztec obsidian sacrificial blades.
OH I DIDN'T REALIZE! Oh man! I really want them now!
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After watching the video and thinking about it, I agree with points both Darkwall and OP made.
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@MongByeolBuddies said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/753106#Comment_753106
Awesome! As for the Legion, I'll see if I can come up with anything; if I do, I'll let you know.
Thank you! I have a thread you can toss it in! https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/93454/a-simple-idea-for-legion-rework-buff-you-decide/p1
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@Mochan said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/751505#Comment_751505
Unfortunately lots of killers still BM by attacking you on hook. It still illicits a slash, a satisfying squish and blood spurting.
Meh, i'd rather run off for more victims!
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@WickedKatz said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/753064#Comment_753064
It was a post made to the people complaining, not the devs
Well what I was saying was to them too! We seem to be reading each other wrong
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@Kasaki said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/753017#Comment_753017
I think my favorite part is how it's always evolving and it's never exactly the same with each patch, my only quarrel is not what they choose to nerf or how they nerf it , it's more of a timing thing on how they'll nerf one thing and leave another thing broken that can be abused with what they just nerfed and it's on both sides not just one. I just wish they would be more thorough when releasing content on how it affects other aspects or perks in the game
I get that! That's why i have a whole thread about reworking Legion in feedback I hope the Devs comment on. The only way we can help is giving good, civil feedback!
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Oooo interesting idea! Any ideas for Legion maybe?
I like the buff for the crouch mostly cause It really isnt useful other than make you harder to see. Even the hitbox for the detection doesn't change much. It makes sense that acting more stealthy would MAKE you more stealthy.
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I mean, you still don't know till he smacks you!
@humanbeing1704 said:
I personally don't like it I liked the suspense of wondering if it's a myers if I'm using spine chill
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@WickedKatz said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/752912#Comment_752912
I was being ironic from the start. The amount of people telling me those words in these forums after the nurse nerf is huge so i made this list
Ah, well i'd like to remind you as I did so many others during all this that the Devs are on the GAME'S Side. Not Killer or Survivor. I know it can feel different at times but it's all big picture stuff from data they got. I trust them to either make good choices (And I'm a Legion main) or fix what they do wrong. (Which is why i have a healthy Legion rework thread I hope the devs comment on).
It's a game for FUN. I do not really understand why people let it get to them so much. If it's not fun, they need to take a break or remember WHY they like playing it.