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I've always liked the idea of having Bloodwaren trigger as soon as the first gate is open if you managed to hook a Survivor before a gate is opened.

in Bloodwarden Buff Comment by TAG June 21, 2022

@Dustin said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3012508#Comment_3012508
I still think Bubba is a terrible killer but realistically the solution has been there this whole time and BHVR even tried a half assed version of it (No offense BHVR I get why) with the whole you lose rank while camping nonsense. I feel the issue doesn't even need to be resolved with punishing camping but more so not making use out of your killers kit. Bubba is a killer that engages in chases therefore if he's not chasing he's not able to use his power - Pretty straight forward.
I would like buffs for Bubba overall but not ones that reward camping.

I mean, I totally get it. I just think that that's not a bad way to handle the camping thing in a way that doesn't impact his chase or can't be abused by Survivors.

in Dear God nerf bubba already. He should not go so fast when swinging an AoE instadown. Comment by TAG June 21, 2022

@Dustin said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3012499#Comment_3012499
The only way you'll ever stop camping with him without fully changing his power is making it so he slowly loses his chainsaw charges if he's not engaging in a chase - So if he's camping by the time a survivor goes for an unhook he'll have no power to chainsaw camp.
However while in chase I feel he should rapidly get those charges back in the theme of he is ready to throw a tantrum or is hunting like the movies.

That's...not a terrible idea, ngl. :o

in Dear God nerf bubba already. He should not go so fast when swinging an AoE instadown. Comment by TAG June 21, 2022

I like the theory that Tinkerer is going to get fully reworked with a name change.

in Bingo Card For The Upcoming Perk Changes Comment by TAG June 21, 2022

@CaulDrohn said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3011408#Comment_3011408
Bringing more Spaghettis into the already large pile of spaghetti code does not make it any better. And adding a special rule for pig traps in EGC is exactly that. No auto-activation of traps in endgame does also solve the problem, it's just not the solution you like. That it's still possible to have active traps in end game is not an issue, btw, since they are independent from another code-vise. On the contrary, it would be bad to add some checks to actively disable them. Again, the goal should always be to REDUCE code dependencies.
About the "git-gud", we are talking about downing 4 ppl. Thats not a hell of task to do. And if you struggle hard to do that 4 downs, why should you be any more effective with auto-active traps in endgame? If the survivors are hard to catch when doing gens, they will also be hard to catch during end game.

Adding anything to the game is contributing to bad spaghetti code. You may as well say "adding the EGC is a bad design choice because it adds to the spaghetti code." If we're going to be adding something to the game, we're going to make sure that we're actually doing it well. Randomly screwing over one Killer while not fully dealing with the problem is the opposite of that. And no, if the problem they were trying to solve was "we don't want RBTs to be active during the EGC," then they did not actually solve the problem. Obviously, we don't want to be doing things overly inefficiently when it comes to programming, but that doesn't mean "don't make a minor tweak to for the sake of a small accomodation." Otherwise, we wouldn't have to, for example, have a list of things that AREN'T affected by Blindness. You claim that making that small change to the EGC is "adding more spaghetti." I see no reason to believe that it would result in coding problems beyond the worn-out non-argument "it's BHVR; expect the worst from them."

Like I said before, "git gud" is not an excuse for not taking the sensible route.

in Escaping with pig trap on? Comment by TAG June 21, 2022

@CaulDrohn said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3011136#Comment_3011136
It's still not a clean solution. "We will introduce this new mechanic called EGC, but for Pig we introduce this exception." That's no good design, it creates a dependancy between a killers power and a game mechanic, and every additional dependency makes the code more fragile and error prone. We always complain about the seemingly poor code quality of the game, but doing what you propose would actively reduce said code quality. That's what mean with clean solution: EGC behaves the same for all killers, there's no interaction with a killers power. We should always aim to decrease dependancys and harmonize mechanics. That's the reason why Tinkerer was reworked to its current version, btw, bc. the previous effect (increasing the effect of killer addons) was a nightmare to maintain.
Edit: About the "zero compensation", an effective Pig should and will use all her traps before EGC starts. So if anything, it's a nerf to Pig players struggling to get four downs before all gens get done. But luckily there's a solution for this: getting better / being more effective with Pig, as cliche as this may sound (the git-gud argument).

I don't see why that's bad design. If anything, I would call that GOOD design because it solves the problem of the RBTs during the EGC in a way that allows both to still do their job. A bad solution to a problem is one that solves a self-made problem through unnecessary collateral damage while also NOT EVEN SOLVING THE PROBLEM ENTIRELY (because right now, you can STILL put Survivors in a position where they have to deal with an active Trap while the EGC timer is running). You talk about how the EGC should behave the same for all Killers, but the Pig was the ONLY Killer in the entire game (at the time, though even still now) who was actively made worse off as a result of the EGC.

"Git gud" is not a good answer to nerfing an aspect of a weak Killer that was not problematic until someone chose to introduce something that makes it problematic, no matter how you slice it.

in Escaping with pig trap on? Comment by TAG June 20, 2022

@CaulDrohn said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3011099#Comment_3011099
I'm not a fan of pausing the EGC. It is meant to run out, thats its purpose. Let's keep that simple. As sad as it may be to the pigs end game potential, I think removing the auto-active ability in end game was the cleanest, easiest solution to do.

There will still be an end to the game because the RBTs will eventually either come off or kill the Survivors, which causes the EGC clock to start ticking again. The EGC will still be doing the job. The nerf that BHVR gave to the Pig for EGC was the WORST solution because it nerfed a weak Killer for absolutely zero compensation when there was a perfectly viable alternative that kept the best of both worlds.

in Escaping with pig trap on? Comment by TAG June 20, 2022

@CaulDrohn said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3010980#Comment_3010980
Stalling as in bothering the survs with an additional objective that is to be done besides the main objective. Not to be confused with gen defense / gen regression perks, they just mkae it harder to finish the main objective. So pig traps are stallling, bc they force the survivors to get rid of their trap, which is time not spent on gens. During end game there are no gens to be done anymore. Only the gates, but they are finished fast, and progress cannot be reverted. So I would argue there's no real stalling in end game. Only some hindering factors (end game perks).
Since you meantioned end game perks: That ones would make auto-active traps in endgame even more disgusting, bc it would give the killer more time to down survivors and utilize the auto-active traps more vigorously.

I'm talking about Remember Me, No Way Out, and Bloodwarden.

Plus, all those issues you mentioned go away if you just pause the EGC timer when someone is wearing a Reverse Bear Trap.

in Escaping with pig trap on? Comment by TAG June 20, 2022

@Seraphor said:
Yeah you already did this. I'm assuming it got deleted for some reason, along with your first account...

Ban evasion, perhaps?

in Rules against tunnelling/camping Comment by TAG June 20, 2022

@CaulDrohn said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3010328#Comment_3010328
Traps are meant to stall the game, not to get kills out of it reliably. If the gates are powered, stalling is no longer required. Also having to remove a trap when EGC is active is a near automatic death sentence. If that occasionally happens (killer closes hatch with the last surv. having an active trap), thats already pretty bad. But giving the killer the ability to enforce this situation on a survivor (placing a trap thats automatically active and then activating EGC by opening a gate) doesn't sound very healthy.

"If the gates are powered, stalling is no longer required."

That is in no way true. Otherwise, we wouldn't have perks that slow down the process of opening the Exit Gates or actively stop Survivors from escaping.

As far as EGC, just pause the EGC timer as long as someone is wearing an active RBT.

in Escaping with pig trap on? Comment by TAG June 20, 2022

@fulltonon said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3010772#Comment_3010772
I mean I've stopped caring about winning few posts ago, so okay.

Fine by me. I just want someone to show me where it says that a hatch escape is a loss for killer.