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Thank god someone else said it as well. I wouldn’t mind DS if the game was balanced for it. NOED... well... I don’t think I’d ever agree with that perk. Suddenly flipping the game like that is kind of cheesy.Mr_Jay_Stark said:I mean I could write a whole wall of text regarding this but no one will read it so I’ll just say I don’t think it’s necessarily the perks that are the problem I believe it’s the mechanics of the game that’s the issue.
Sorry for posting it again but : https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hwMKJtVdFeY
This Huntress had plenty of time without Gen Rush to do well. I did break two totems and was anticipating NOED. I’m sure the rest of my team broke at least two themselves. So because we missed one totem some where, this Killer went from maybe a 2k if he camped that last guy out to a 4K. Never mind he played terrible (You can watch, I had eyes on him the whole match.) He couldn’t land hatchets at all and missed swings like crazy. Me and the 3 other Survivors got cheated out an escape we deserved. All because of one perk.
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Aight, as long as things are settled. I still don’t agree with you about NOED though. Just saying lol.Tsulan said:@SovererignKing said:
powerbats said:@SovererignKing said:
powerbats said:
We do rebut your points. You just sit there and and call every rebuttal a “Logical Fallacy”, and when you can’t call it that, you say “your twisting my words” as a deflection shield that you “meant something else by it” in order to cover your ass when you say something stupid. Its like a child going “That’s f’in stupid” and their parents scolding them and they go “BUT I MEANT FREAKING!” When you know damn well what they meant to say.
Only one here with an ego is you. You can’t admit when you’re wrong, ever. Anytime someone disagrees with you it’s a “Logical Fallacy” and “twisting and distorting your words. Seriously, grow up and learn some humility.
No it's you that can't admit you're wrong but since you want to be made to look like an arse I'll prove it to you.
@powerbats said:
@Tsulan said:
According to survivor mains, standing 4 meters away from a hooked survivor = face camping.
Semantics doesn't change the fact the killer is still hook camping and I've had a lot of rank matches where the killer face camped me as in he was almost within my character model. So no that's not according to survivor mains that's according to people that regularly face killers that do in fact face camp.
Notice how I never stated anywhere I always get facecamped yet here we go with the Straw Man which is a logical fallacy.
@Tsulan said:
** If you keep getting face camped by every killer you meet, there might be a problem on your side. **
And judging from your aptitude on this forum, it might have to do something with your temper.
No offense, but it could be simply a YOU problem.
Shocking I never said that yet there's the Straw Man right there which is a logical fallacy but you already knew that. So he didn't rebut my points nor did you nor was I wrong in saying he twisted my words. Now you go with the classic change your meaning insult to try and rebut my points.
So the only one trying to cover their ass when they say something stupid here is you.The posts are there in plain sight yet you just can't resist the urge to be a dick So that'd make you the one with the ego here because you just can't admit you tried to insult me and failed..
Now as far as never admitting when I'm wrong ever what are you smoking now? Since my apologies when given correct information are all over the forums. At the time I started playing the game I didn't know about camping being a legit strategy. It was @Lowbei I believe who posted the video from the devs talking about it.
Something that wasn't readily known by me and to this day newer players still don't know unless they're given the info. But hey lets not let facts get in the way of your assumptions and untruths here. When someone disagrees with me I don't call it a logical fallacy unless they actually use one.
When someone disagrees with me in a no biased way I'll have a discussion with them and try and see their point of view as they try and see mine. I get along really well with @Lowbei now as well as @Jack11803 , @RemoveSWF and several others. We don't always agree but we have some good discussions and trade the occasional insults and trash talk.
The one that needs to grow up and learn humility here is you. I've shown the posts which prove my points you just don't like that the posts prove my points. When I've made mistakes on here i've apologized and when I've crossed a line I've also apologized. Including to some of the very posters here who I sometimes have disagreements with.
I could continue to post quotes that prove my point but this thread is getting derailed enough as is. I shall just agree to disagree for now to not derail this further.
You have got to be kidding me...
YOU literally created the Straw Man. Tulsan said “According to Survivor Mains” then you called semantics and changed it to YOU have had plenty of matches being “facecamped.” Then you got upset and called it a Straw Man Fallacy when he said it was a you problem if you get “facecamped” every single match. You changed it from “Survivor Mains” TO YOU. You’re getting upset for Tulsan attacking a Strawman YOU CREATED. YOU twisted what he said about Survivor Mains TO yourself.
Literally just telling you, you’re making an ass of yourself because you can’t even realize you started the Strawman in the first place. I’m not trying to insult you, I’m telling you to stop before you make an even bigger ass of yourself.
I’ll agree to disagree on the Marth subject as well.
Seriously man, I’m not being a dick here. I’m just saying you changed Tulsan’s “Survivor Mains” to yourself and created the Strawman and then got upset when Tulsan attacked it. You made an ass of yourself by creating the Strawman in the first place. Then tried to cover it saying Tulsan twisted it, when it was you who twisted it. I said you made an ass of yourself and called it stupid when you didn’t realize you’re the one who started the Strawman by changing the subject of “Survivor Mains” TO YOU.
Thank you for your support. I really appreciate it.
But we made our peace, since i don´t want to starte another war or something. So things are settled.BTW. You are amazing!
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Eh, clusterfucks happen. Nearly pissed myself laughing reading just several post in that thread lol.powerbats said:@SovererignKing said:
You have got to be kidding me...
YOU literally created the Straw Man. Tulsan said “According to Survivor Mains” then you called semantics and changed it to YOU have had plenty of matches being “facecamped.” Then you got upset and called it a Straw Man Fallacy when he said it was a you problem if you get “facecamped” every single match. You changed it from “Survivor Mains” TO YOU. You’re getting upset for Tulsan attacking a Strawman YOU CREATED. YOU twisted what he said about Survivor Mains TO yourself.
Literally just telling you, you’re making an ass of yourself because you can’t even realize you started the Strawman in the first place. I’m not trying to insult you, I’m telling you to stop before you make an even bigger ass of yourself.
I’ll agree to disagree on the Marth subject as well.
Seriously man, I’m not being a dick here. I’m just saying you changed Tulsan’s “Survivor Mains” to yourself and created the Strawman and then got upset when Tulsan attacked it. You made an ass of yourself by creating the Strawman in the first place. Then tried to cover it saying Tulsan twisted it, when it was you who twisted it. I said you made an ass of yourself and called it stupid when you didn’t realize you’re the one who started the Strawman by changing the subject of “Survivor Mains” TO YOU.
We'll agree to disagree on some things then since Tsulan and I already sorted things out. Some of what was said got crossed over form other posts and it became one big clusterfeck. Oh and go read this thread for some good laughs we all had.
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You have got to be kidding me...powerbats said:@SovererignKing said:
powerbats said:We do rebut your points. You just sit there and and call every rebuttal a “Logical Fallacy”, and when you can’t call it that, you say “your twisting my words” as a deflection shield that you “meant something else by it” in order to cover your ass when you say something stupid.
Its like a child going “That’s f’in stupid” and their parents scolding them and they go “BUT I MEANT FREAKING!” When you know damn well what they meant to say.
Only one here with an ego is you. You can’t admit when you’re wrong, ever. Anytime someone disagrees with you it’s a “Logical Fallacy” and “twisting and distorting your words. Seriously, grow up and learn some humility.
No it's you that can't admit you're wrong but since you want to be made to look like an arse I'll prove it to you.
@powerbats said:
@Tsulan said:
According to survivor mains, standing 4 meters away from a hooked survivor = face camping.
Semantics doesn't change the fact the killer is still hook camping and I've had a lot of rank matches where the killer face camped me as in he was almost within my character model. So no that's not according to survivor mains that's according to people that regularly face killers that do in fact face camp.
Notice how I never stated anywhere I always get facecamped yet here we go with the Straw Man which is a logical fallacy.
@Tsulan said:
** If you keep getting face camped by every killer you meet, there might be a problem on your side. **
And judging from your aptitude on this forum, it might have to do something with your temper.
No offense, but it could be simply a YOU problem.Shocking I never said that yet there's the Straw Man right there which is a logical fallacy but you already knew that. So he didn't rebut my points nor did you nor was I wrong in saying he twisted my words. Now you go with the classic change your meaning insult to try and rebut my points.
So the only one trying to cover their ass when they say something stupid here is you.The posts are there in plain sight yet you just can't resist the urge to be a dick So that'd make you the one with the ego here because you just can't admit you tried to insult me and failed..
Now as far as never admitting when I'm wrong ever what are you smoking now? Since my apologies when given correct information are all over the forums. At the time I started playing the game I didn't know about camping being a legit strategy. It was @Lowbei I believe who posted the video from the devs talking about it.
Something that wasn't readily known by me and to this day newer players still don't know unless they're given the info. But hey lets not let facts get in the way of your assumptions and untruths here. When someone disagrees with me I don't call it a logical fallacy unless they actually use one.
When someone disagrees with me in a no biased way I'll have a discussion with them and try and see their point of view as they try and see mine. I get along really well with @Lowbei now as well as @Jack11803 , @RemoveSWF and several others. We don't always agree but we have some good discussions and trade the occasional insults and trash talk.
The one that needs to grow up and learn humility here is you. I've shown the posts which prove my points you just don't like that the posts prove my points. When I've made mistakes on here i've apologized and when I've crossed a line I've also apologized. Including to some of the very posters here who I sometimes have disagreements with.
I could continue to post quotes that prove my point but this thread is getting derailed enough as is. I shall just agree to disagree for now to not derail this further.
YOU literally created the Straw Man. Tulsan said “According to Survivor Mains” then you called semantics and changed it to YOU have had plenty of matches being “facecamped.” Then you got upset and called it a Straw Man Fallacy when he said it was a you problem if you get “facecamped” every single match. You changed it from “Survivor Mains” TO YOU. You’re getting upset for Tulsan attacking a Strawman YOU CREATED. YOU twisted what he said about Survivor Mains TO yourself.
Literally just telling you, you’re making an ass of yourself because you can’t even realize you started the Strawman in the first place. I’m not trying to insult you, I’m telling you to stop before you make an even bigger ass of yourself.
I’ll agree to disagree on the Marth subject as well.
Seriously man, I’m not being a dick here. I’m just saying you changed Tulsan’s “Survivor Mains” to yourself and created the Strawman and then got upset when Tulsan attacked it. You made an ass of yourself by creating the Strawman in the first place. Then tried to cover it saying Tulsan twisted it, when it was you who twisted it. I said you made an ass of yourself and called it stupid when you didn’t realize you’re the one who started the Strawman by changing the subject of “Survivor Mains” TO YOU. -
We do rebut your points. You just sit there and and call every rebuttal a “Logical Fallacy”, and when you can’t call it that, you say “your twisting my words” as a deflection shield that you “meant something else by it” in order to cover your ass when you say something stupid.powerbats said:@SovererignKing said:
Label everything as a “Logical fallacy” and say they are “twisting and distorting your words” when they really aren’t every time you back yourself into a corner and make a stupid comment. Never change Powerbats, it’s fun watching you make an ass out of yourself publicly.
Typical you're just as bad as he is when you can't rebut my points you resort to the same failed insults. You know I'm right but just like him you can't handle the truth. The only ones making asses out themselves are you 2 because it's easy to see what I said and what you both said I said are 2 different things.
There's also all my posts from other threads where I even talk about friendly killers and normal killers not camping me. You know like these gems where I had already posted way prior to the drivel you 2 are putting out.
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Ok 1st 2 matches down
1st game Leatherface on Myers map and it was great, everyone got to do stuff, killer got 9 hooks since I let myself get sac'd for the 9th hook. It was overall really fun and some hilarity ensued when chainsaw hit more than the intended victim.2nd game- Typical Billy tryharding and never once despite him using offering did he go for a BBQ hook. In fact he went out of his way to avoid them and camped the 2 event gens. While he scored 47k BP that was due to my Bloody Party Streamers and 4 sacs. We didn't know he was tryharding until he showed his gameplay.
3rd Game was a Huntress on Lery's who was really cool and one person quit during loading screen. So she let us do our thing and she got 2 out of the 3 hook stacks but sadly the 3rrd person wouldn't let themselves get hooked.
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Well would you look at that 2 matches where the killer didn't face camp me nor hard camp or camp me at all. But it was said that I have an issue with getting face camped every match. so I must be the problem. could post plenty more examples but I don't want to run multiple pages showing how wrong you both are.I could also post where unlike you 2 I've bashed my fellow survivors for being jerks in game and post game. I've yet to see either one of you specifically call out toxic killers.
But go ahead and keep making yourselves look foolish by trying and failing to twist what i said just so you can inflate your egos with more failed insult attempts.
Lastly on threads where you're not jerks I agree with your points if their valid and even offer counter suggestions to help improve things.When you post a funny response I upvote and or even respond to it with something funny as well.
Its like a child going “That’s f’in stupid” and their parents scolding them and they go “BUT I MEANT FREAKING!” When you know damn well what they meant to say.
Only one here with an ego is you. You can’t admit when you’re wrong, ever. Anytime someone disagrees with you it’s a “Logical Fallacy” and “twisting and distorting your words. Seriously, grow up and learn some humility. -
He has made suggestions multiple times, he has made points multiple. This was his farewell AFTER all those suggestions and points fell on deaf ears. Though I’m sure you wouldn’t know about that at all because you don’t bother to watch Killer streamers or youtubers to gain their perspective. I mean, why would you bother, you don’t like Killers in the first place.Paddy4583 said:
^^ When you make assumptions that I disagree with him or have an argument to make with his points.SovererignKing said:
^ When you have no good argument against his balance concerns, and simply insult his weight like a petty child.Paddy4583 said:
Eating is not a regular jobDeadByMemelight said:Marth has a regular job, so I doubt he'll play a game he doesn't enjoy just for viewers.
There is nothing to argue, to argue first he would have had to say something new or at least suggested ways in which to balance, but he didn’t, because it’s not possible, so there is nothing to argue.
He and all the rest will be spouting the same stuff about DG in a few months too.
There is no such thing as balance in games like
this never has been never will be, there’s an illusion of balance, which seeing as the majority of killer mains on this forum was all up in the ass of 2.0.1 as it was so great for them, which now seems to be forgotten because like most people you realise it’s Fake, killers only liked the patch because survivors didn’t.
So they assumed if it’s bad for the survivors it must be great for killers!!!
Secondly, balance is a scale. Marth isn’t looking for it to be perfectly balanced. That’s not possible. He saying the scale is so far tilted on the Survivors side it’s obvious it’s nowhere even close. Then again, what would one like you know about balance when you hardly give two shits about one side of the scale?
Lastly, Killers likes the patch because it’s showed PROMISE of balance. Most knew it wasn’t actually much, but at least it was a step in the right direction. Which promptly got rectified that once again the developers chickened out and are going to give Survivors buffs in the upcoming patch. Pallet stun drop changed, the “spin” taken away so that Survivors no longer have to make any sort of preemptive movement and anticipate the Killers movement as Pallets will be purely reaction based guaranteed safety nets once more. I-frames off the hook because Killer camps and other Survivors make stupid hook Rush saves. The developers once again caved to the 400-500+ review bombing on the game from Survivors whining they weren’t OP enough to “have fun”.
Killers did realize it was “fake”. Simply because right after the tiny nerf to exhaustion, Killers got slapped with upcoming Survivor buffs and Bloodlust nerf. Proving ONCE AGAIN the Survivors know they have the developers by the balls and all it takes is a one review bombing to get their way.
So instead of doing your research on Marth and what he was talking about, in order to understand his perspective... you made petty fat jokes. All because your ignorant and don’t give a ######### about Killers. All because your ignorant and don’t give a ######### abut balance unless your precious Survivor gameplay gets nerfed and/or Killers get buffed. -
I’m to know that wasn’t you who posted that remark and that you were a third party how exactly? Apologies for not being psychic I suppose.ChesterTheMolester said:
I didn't post that remark, Einstein. I came across it as a third but it seems to me that response from Marth is just another spawn of his already mentioned arrogance, correct me if im wrong about i doubt any mere mortals would start scratching their heads if they had a dedicated thread about them leaving and getting such a response.SovererignKing said:
You post a smartass remark like “who the [BAD WORD] cares” like nobody is supposed to give a #########, then get all pissy when he responds with a with a snarky rib at your name? Nice.ChesterTheMolester said:
Yeah something tells me that im not gonna miss that attitude.
Its not arrogance, you give what you get. The poster was being a smartass with “who the ######### cares”, so Marth was a smartass back. It astounds me that people think it’s “attitude” and “arrogance” when they get what they give.
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Label everything as a “Logical fallacy” and say they are “twisting and distorting your words” when they really aren’t every time you back yourself into a corner and make a stupid comment. Never change Powerbats, it’s fun watching you make an ass out of yourself publicly.powerbats said:@Tsulan said:
I play both killer and survivor equally. I rarely encounter a killer who insults (i can count the times on 1 hand). But i really often find survivors who insult the killer and their fellow teammates. If you constantly encounter killers which insult you, it might be a YOU problem. But who am i to judge?
I never anywhere said I constantly encounter killers which insult me but nice deflection just as i stated you'd do. So that'd mean I'm the problem here at all but you that keeps trying the logical fallacies. It's also a logical fact that since there's more survivors in a lobby then killers you'd get more chances of having a toxic survivor.
Please stop telling people to uninstall the game. This isn´t productive at all. And only makes those people leave, which aren´t really toxic. The trolls and toxic people won´t leave, because this is their playground.
I'm telling you and the other killers calling for strikes or insinuating it to uninstall the game and prove you're not going to play. I'm asking for those like several on here that've said they'll purposely play only survivor to screw over the rest of the community out of spite. The toxic ones are the ones claiming for strikes and or insinuating it and saying they'll screw the rest of the community over by doing the above. So that means that some of the good killers you speak of are in fact toxic.
I never called for strikes. Maybe you confuse me with someone else. But i sure as hell said, i´m gonna play survivor only for X reasons. Is this a crime? If it is, i´ve never been warned on this forum by the mods.
**I'm specifically referring to those who you keep saying good job, agree with and upvote them everytime they say that. There's one in this very forum and never once have you or anyone of the rest of you called them out on it. Also if you're only going to play survivor just to screw people over with longer queue times you're no different than the rest of the people calling for strikes.
Also whether you were warned or not is besides the point, the message got through loud and clear to stop calling for strikes. That was my point so now it's insulations of a strike or that killers are going to leave etc.**
To come back to the "nice and fair match" i just had a gen rush match. Survivors had all 5 gens done in less than 4 minutes. I didn´t camp or tunnel and only went for the event hooks. After they opened the gates they didn´t leave and started hiding around the map. This went on for over 20 minutes in which they just trolled me (3xDS). When they finally left they said "eeeeezzzzz" "gg ez" "baby killer".
Yeah, that was a really "nice and fair" match.So how often does that happen? Do you just magically always seem to get those types of matches so wouldn't that make you the problem as you said to me? I can count on 1 hand the amount f times it's happened to me. It's common sense that you'll get those types of matches and there's jerks in every community.
**You're also forgetting that every time there's an event the toxic jerks come out of the woodwork. Throw in FTP and it gets that much more worse. Have you already forgotten how bad it was during the double BP event last month during FTP? **
Regarding the face camping. Was there anything else to discuss? I NEVER EVER got face camped as survivor. I used to face camp very toxic survivors, when face camping was still a thing. But since hook blocking got removed for killers only (not for survivors, because reasons). I don´t bother at all.
If you keep getting face camped by every killer you meet, there might be a problem on your side.
And judging from your aptitude on this forum, it might have to do something with your temper.
No offense, but it could be simply a YOU problem.**Again with the deflections and distortions it's obvious you can't rebut my arguments and again go for the classic Logical Fallacy. I also find it hard to believe you've never ever been face camped once since everyone has been at least one. I also never ever said I always get facecamped but yet again the distortions of what I said continue.
So that'd mean I don't always get facecamped by every killer I meet since I've made plenty of friends with killers post game. I've been given props for being cool and been thanked for giving myself up for hooks to the killer. Ah yes the classic troll response I've come to expect more insults My aptitude is fine and I don't have anger issues but you seem to want to project badly.
But then it'd mean I'm not the problem but your incessant need to insult anyone that disagrees with you or points out flaws in your posts.**
Oh and adults can´t complain about a problem? So just swallow all the ######### and keep going on like nothing happend? That sure will solve the problem...
We are customers and paid for a product and a service. We have every right in the world to complain.If i missed something, please keep me updated. I´m happy to help you with any problem you might face.
Yes adults can complain about a problem but adults also don't throw out the non stop insults at those that disagree like you and the rest seem to do in almost every post. I agree with the right to complain but where I disagree is how you lot choose to complain.
You and the rest always insult survivors as if they're the ones causing the problems. Anyone that posts something you don't like gets blasted as a survivor main, biased or any of the other countless insults. When that doesn't work you try the logical fallacy route and distort what they said.
I agree with the need to buff killers and fix maps and have offered lots of suggestions on how to do things without breaking game balance. I advocated for the self care nerf because i thought it was needed and fair. I like the DS nerf and think they should add to it flashlight immunity for the killer during stun. (I'll explain that in another thread.)
I want them to remove pallets or at least really spread them out, I want more stealthy game play where there's no need for endless looping spots. What I want is a true horror game where killers have the power role but survivors have a chance to get out by playing smartly.
Lastly I'd like to see the insults and distortions and deflections stop just because someone doesn't like what's posted.
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You post a smartass remark like “who the ######### cares” like nobody is supposed to give a #########, then get all pissy when he responds with a with a snarky rib at your name? Nice.ChesterTheMolester said:
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I got in yesterday and never turned off my PS4 or closed the application. I’ve been trying today and I can’t get any Survivors or Killers. I’m Rank 1 on both Survivor and Killer. So I kind of call bullshit on the “servers are overloaded” excuse BHVR is saying. If they were overloaded, I wouldn’t be having a problem getting a match. Even after waiting 20-30 minutes searching I get nothing.
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I’m on ps4 right now. Granted I got in yesterday, and just never closed the application or turned off my PS4. Though I can’t get any matches as either Killer or Survivor. Kind of let’s me call bullshit on “there are so many people trying to play it’s over loading the servers.”MoFoJoe said:The game is down for consoles again...
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Same here. If a lot of invitations are used, I play swap party.Vortexas said:I am just playing normal.
If there is an event hook nearby when I down someone great!
If not oh well.
Though if alot of invites get used I will pause for a brief moment and see if they are just wanting to swap gens for hooks, if so I let them do theres so long as I get mine.
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^ When you have no good argument against his balance concerns, and simply insult his weight like a petty child.Paddy4583 said:
Eating is not a regular jobDeadByMemelight said:Marth has a regular job, so I doubt he'll play a game he doesn't enjoy just for viewers.
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That’s the point of the game though. Killers as supposed to be “OP”. Chases are supposed to last 30-45 seconds most of the time. Not at least a minute or two. You’re supposed to get steam rolled by a Killer if you’re found out in the open, and have very little chance of escape if found at all. That’s why you have 3 team mates, that’s why you have three chances. Your supposed to make the Killer waste his time looking for you, but NOT FINDING YOU. Not waste his time by running around in circles and using badly designed maps and perks to basically punish the Killer for doing exactly what he’s supposed to do.loveleh said:I personally think he is wrong, i mean just connect the dots, killers have too much op perks and yes removing noed and insidious would help.. but survivors don't have a lot of op perks, no i'm not denying that survivors don't have op perks and no i'm not fighting for 'giving survivors more op perks' but killers are mostly op in this game, and no one does anything about it.. maybe you never noticed this but true always complains about survivors and how they are either op or something else while not mentioning killers.. killers can run perks that make it literal hell to play, then complain about dc-ing.. anyways just wanted to say that yes he is right that survive with friends can 'be #########' and yes noed, decisive, and insidious would help balance match making and just generally make it a better game to play. FiT3 mE iF y0U wANt T0 ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Survivor : Don’t get found and caught, you win. Get found, but Loop the Killer for X amount of time at least, you still win.
Killer : Don’t find anyone, you lose. Find people really easy, but they expoilt the ######### map design and badly designed perks that increase chase time exponentially, you still lose.
Its a win/win for Survivors, a Lose/Lose for Killers. The only way you lose as a Survivor is you suck at hiding, AND you don’t know the layout of the map in order to Loop properly.
NOED carries bad Killers, this is true. However, with how poorly the game is balanced with just simple game mechanics and bad map design, even damn good Killers can get screwed. Then add in the Survivor crutch perks, it only makes that problem even worse.
Killer perks like BBQ & Chilli, (new) Tinkerer, (New) Bitter Murmur would definitely be OP and need taken out of the game, *if* the game didn’t have badly designed maps and Gen so stupidly quick and easy to complete as base mechanics that make the game highly Survivor sided.
Again, Perks be damned. It’s the game mechanics and map designs that need fixed first, then look at the perks.
Also, Survivors run perks that make it literally hell to play. Do you have any idea how frustrating it when you have a whole team with Sprint Burst and your Myers/Wraith/Pig? Your whole power of Ambush is rendered null and void. Do you know frustrating it is as Nurse when you get a team, all with Dead Hard, so even though you perfectly land your Blinks, they just press a button and it renders that perfect Blink null and void? Don’t act like crutch perks are the only frustrating part of Killers, and they don’t have matches that are “literally hell” to play.
Survivors also complain about Killers who D/C because they don’t want to play Wraith when Sprint Burst makes their power completely pointless.
There is bullshit on both sides. However, when it comes to the game right now, Survivors just have far more bullshit in their favor than Killers do. -
OchiDO still has montages he puts up on a regular basis and ban evades. He still plays.P3Myers said:@SovererignKing said:
I can’t wait till JenDenise, OchiDO, or another big time Survivor Main streamer says they will quit. The outcry will be insane. Most of the people bashing this are Survivor only players or have hardly ever touched Killer or are bias as hell, and are happy to see one of the influential Killer Streamers leave.ochido is ba> @Detective_Jonathan said:
Real shame that a good streamer is leaving the game. But the toxic ones like Angrypug and Jendenise are still here. Surely has nothing to do with them being survivor mains I hope.
lol marth whole squad plays toxic flashlight tbag genrush solely to depip killer. [BAD WORD] off.
Marths depip Squad did no items, no perks, then did perks, then did perks and items. They didn’t tea bag and weren’t toxic.
Where the hell do you get your information? It’s way off. -
This is true. Perks be damned, the core mechanics of the game are more of an issue than perks right now. Gen Rush and Looping are still overpowered right now. Though DS is a huge chunk of why Gen Rush and Looping are stupidly overpowered and only exacerbate the flaws of the core gameplay mechanics.Well_Placed_HexTotem said:There’s a lot they need to fix before worrying about perks like DS, Insidious, and NOED. -
I can’t wait till JenDenise, OchiDO, or another big time Survivor Main streamer says they will quit. The outcry will be insane. Most of the people bashing this are Survivor only players or have hardly ever touched Killer or are bias as hell, and are happy to see one of the influential Killer Streamers leave.
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Right... like this Huntress who couldn’t land a throwing hatchet to save his life. Who wiffed lord only knows how many swings. Who did nothing but tunnel the ######### out of the first person they caught. I anticipated NOED and broke totems, god forbid I MISSED ONE.Orion said:@SovererignKing said:
Rewarding failure in the premise of not protecting and stopping Gen progress. “Who cares if they do the Gens? I’ve got NOED!” Just like DS “Who cares if I get found and caught, I’ve got DS!”Its the same premise that Survivors use to justify DS. “It’s the Killers fault for catching me. Should have chased someone else.” When we all know that’s a load of bullshit.
”LULZ should have broke the totems!” = “LULZ should have chased someone else!”
Late-game builds are exactly about letting the Survivors get closer to escaping while you become more powerful. That's not failure; that's strategy.
As for breaking the totems being equal to the Survivors' "idea" on how to counter DS, that's bullshit. Breaking totems guarantees NOED will not trigger, thus giving your team the upper hand. Chasing someone else will give the Survivors the advantage. Like all Survivor "ideas" on how to counter something, it's always bad for the Killer.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hwMKJtVdFeY
He TOTALLY deserved the 4K at the end. His “Skill” was so awesome during that match. It’s not like NOED didn’t carry his ass from going from a possible 2k when he caught one dude at the end and was going to camp hard. He didn’t camp though, cause LULZ NOED.
Face the fact, NOED carries bad Killers. Not as hardcore as DS carries bad Survivors mind you, but it’s still stupid. It cheats Survivors out of a win they deserve. -
Haha, fat jokes. Super mature kid. Grow up.maximus909 said:Oh palease!!! I've gone up against some amazing killers that knock off survivors like shooting fish in a barrel. Marth88 just needs to put down the Double Western Cheeseburger when playing DBD killer. Developers just gave all killers a bump.... yet Marth88 still can't win against survivors? He should maybe go back to Friday the 13th.
Fact is the game is still stupidly Survivor sided with Gen Rush and Looping still being too good at wasting time. Perks be damned, the core base mechanics in the Survivors favor are still screwed up and way too tilted to casual Survivors dicking around instead of doing the damn objective, that if they DONT dick around, Survivor team wins easily. -
Rewarding failure in the premise of not protecting and stopping Gen progress. “Who cares if they do the Gens? I’ve got NOED!” Just like DS “Who cares if I get found and caught, I’ve got DS!”Orion said:@Tsulan said:
Why is NOED considered "rewarding failure"? Game is not finished until you see the point screen.
I mean there are perks specifically for the endgame like Remember Me and Blood Warden.Because otherwise Survivors would have to admit that NOED even triggering is their fault, and that late-game builds exist.
Its the same premise that Survivors use to justify DS. “It’s the Killers fault for catching me. Should have chased someone else.” When we all know that’s a load of bullshit.
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“Way behind her” You mean at the fence vault where the bottle landed right where I wanted it, at the vault? Bottle travel time is slow. Again, it’s a lob, not a throw. It’s not Huntress. I can’t change how fast the bottle travels. It landed right where I wanted it. On the wall to make the gas spread instantly? At the Pallet near the car I was expecting him to throw down, so he would be slowed while I broke it? Or at the last Pallet where I hit the side of the shead and went the route to the right. That way he would have to run through the gap in the fence on either side, which lead to nowhere and no Pallets. Either that or he could run the circle around the trees and... right into the gas. (Which is what he did).powerbats said:@SovererignKing said:
He was not a “Baby Killer” he chased two different people. Issue was they had two Jungle Gyms’s and the Barn all in one little spot. The terrible map design screwed him. There shouldn’t be such overpowering places that allow for a Survivor to 1v1 a Killer for more than 30 seconds. Not to mention we still had the Killer Shack and more Jungle Gyms. He got screwed by map RNG and lightning fast Gens. Hell, the David went AFK for 30 seconds and it still took us barely over 4 minutes.
So more excuses to justify bad gameplay on the killers part go figure. He comes out of 2nd story window and see's a Claudette going for gen. He doesn't throw a single vial of tonic near her to slow her down nor does he thrown any until she's across the street. When he finally does throw a bottle it's well behind her and he continues the bad play after that.
The terrible map design didn't screw him his own bad play did since I've played against Clowns on that map plenty before. They don't ever make such bad plays.like that and if they see a survivor like he did. They'll hit them with tonic right away.
powerbats said:@SovererignKing said:
More stupidity for someone who doesn’t play Clown obviously. Clown bottle toss isn’t Huntress hatchet toss. He lob’s the bottle, he doesn’t throw it. It’s a slow and large arc. The Claudette was running away already, as soon as they saw me climb out the window. If I threw a bottle it would have uselessly landed behind her. Secondly, again, you don’t throw bottles AT Survivors to slow them down unless they are in the wide open and you are close to them. You throw them ahead of them to cut off routes.
“Bad play”, sure, it’s “bad play” to have no chase last more than 30 seconds. Let me guess, you’re some god tier Killer that every chase you do last less than 15 seconds and you never get Bloodlust level 1?
Map design was the game where I was Survivor, not the clown.
You mean more excuses for bad play and toss/throw/lob it all equals the same thing basically and once again you're trying the troll semantics bs. You could've easily put the bottle in front of her you know like most clowns do. It's almost as if you don't know how to anticipate where to throw the bottles instead of like where you did. Also HE DOES THROW THEM or did you not notice the over hand throw. If he were lobbing them he'd still be considered to be throwing them.
Lobbing - To hit, throw, or propel in a high arc
So you just admitted you throw the bottle ahead of them to cut off the escape route yet you threw 1 way behind her. You screwed up during that game nothing else but you. was at fault there. I also never said 30 seconds but nice try with the logical fallacy response proving yet again you'e got nothing.
Also notice how I never refenced the other video I only referenced the video where you did badly as killer. But yet again you try to throw something irrelevant in to make your argument look better. Again it didn't work, you were a bad clown there and trying to insult me doesn't change the fact that you were the issue there nothing else.
Semantics? Didn’t know it was “semantics” to note the difference between a hard throw, and lobbing something. Huntress throws, Clown Lobs. The difference is how hard you do it. Which affects travel speed. Which is a very key factor in judging distance and where to aim.
I didnt screw up, you just have no idea what you’re talking about. You have no idea how to play Clown. You want to think you play Clown just like you would play Huntress. Doesn’t work that way.
Logical fallacy? It’s literally relevant to the topic at hand of how fast the gens are. Even though I didn’t screw up any chase and wasted almost no time, didn’t have a chase last for more than 30 seconds (which by the way, it’s ideal for chases to last at minimum 30, Maximum of 45 seconds as per M.Cote. and the other developers.) even with other chases in that video lasting less than 10 seconds, it was still way to fast for me to do anything about it. You should probably look up the definition of logical fallacy.
You literally referenced the “poor map design didn’t screw the Killer”. The poor map design was the Survivor video, not the clown video.
Im not trying to insult you, you’re doing it all on your own. I don’t even have to insult you. You have no idea how Clown plays. Do you even pay attention to what you write? -
True, they are not. Though it’s just the premise of idea of “rewarding failure”. Both do the same thing, DS just does it better.Orion said:NOED can be permanently and irreversibly shut down before it's activated. DS cannot. They're not on the same level.
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I’ll give it a shot.
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I agree with him. Get rid of them all. All three are crutches except for Insidious, however it just promotes cheesy camping.
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More stupidity for someone who doesn’t play Clown obviously. Clown bottle toss isn’t Huntress hatchet toss. He lob’s the bottle, he doesn’t throw it. It’s a slow and large arc. The Claudette was running away already, as soon as they saw me climb out the window. If I threw a bottle it would have uselessly landed behind her. Secondly, again, you don’t throw bottles AT Survivors to slow them down unless they are in the wide open and you are close to them. You throw them ahead of them to cut off routes.powerbats said:@SovererignKing said:
He was not a “Baby Killer” he chased two different people. Issue was they had two Jungle Gyms’s and the Barn all in one little spot. The terrible map design screwed him. There shouldn’t be such overpowering places that allow for a Survivor to 1v1 a Killer for more than 30 seconds. Not to mention we still had the Killer Shack and more Jungle Gyms. He got screwed by map RNG and lightning fast Gens. Hell, the David went AFK for 30 seconds and it still took us barely over 4 minutes.
So more excuses to justify bad gameplay on the killers part go figure. He comes out of 2nd story window and see's a Claudette going for gen. He doesn't throw a single vial of tonic near her to slow her down nor does he thrown any until she's across the street. When he finally does throw a bottle it's well behind her and he continues the bad play after that.
The terrible map design didn't screw him his own bad play did since I've played against Clowns on that map plenty before. They don't ever make such bad plays.like that and if they see a survivor like he did. They'll hit them with tonic right away.
“Bad play”, sure, it’s “bad play” to have no chase last more than 30 seconds. Let me guess, you’re some god tier Killer that every chase you do last less than 15 seconds and you never get Bloodlust level 1?
Map design was the game where I was Survivor, not the clown. -
He was not a “Baby Killer” he chased two different people. Issue was they had two Jungle Gyms’s and the Barn all in one little spot. The terrible map design screwed him. There shouldn’t be such overpowering places that allow for a Survivor to 1v1 a Killer for more than 30 seconds. Not to mention we still had the Killer Shack and more Jungle Gyms. He got screwed by map RNG and lightning fast Gens. Hell, the David went AFK for 30 seconds and it still took us barely over 4 minutes.Jonathanskilz said:@powerbats said:
@SovererignKing said:
Survivors are still fresh off the nerf train from Pallet Vaccum and such. They haven’t adapted yet. Meanwhile, the Killers of old have had to hone their skills to the point of insanity when that bullshit was still in the game and they had to deal with it.
Yet this ######### still exist in the game. Literally all the Survivors have to do is NOT screw around. When they focus rush their object, it’s more or less a GUARANTEED loss for the Killer.
The game is still wildly unbalanced in favor of the Survivors if they simply DO NOT screw around. Survivors can still make the choice. They can choose to just flat out win, or they can choose to dick around and have a possibility of losing.
Ok survivors have to not screw around hu well that's funny because rank 1-2 ahs been 3-4 k almost every game. I've gotten hatch I beleive 1 or 2x and 1x time through exit gates. In every other game I've been sac'd off along with 3 others 95% of the time. There's been 4 games recently where 2 ppl got out.
I've had Billy's Nurses, a Leatherface who rage quit earlier after he lost me as Meg and the Claudette who was dead on hook. This despite the fact he'd sac'd 2 already and I was going to be stage 2 on hook. I've had Warith's do really well along with Trappers and Hags as well as Freddy's.
Oh and we did focus rush teh gens as best we could despite Ruin, etc and yet we still got wrecked. So no the survivors don't have a choice of dicking around and losing or flat out winning. Perhaps there's a skill difference by region/platform but pc rank 1-2 has been killer lopsided.
first vid looked like a baby killer dident leave chase and chase someome else tbh
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You both have a lot to learn. Both of those videos are me playing. Both are High Rank game play. Both are highly common.
1st Video - Wrong. Gen Rush like that is common. The only mistake made by the Billy in that match was chasing a 2 Man SWF of Kate’s around the Barn. It happens 3/5 games.
2nd Video - You don’t know how to play Clown do you?
You don’t throw the bottles AT the Survivors. You throw them in areas of routes and paths they WANT to take. It makes them take un-optimal routes and paths. A Clowm trying to hit people with bottles is a bad clown unless he’s running Red Heads Pinky Finger. Note : No chase lasted more than 30 seconds. DS crutch gave the Laurie an extra chase, which also didn’t last long. They weren’t SWF either. Also, Why would you kick a Gen that is only 10-15% complete? It’s a waste of your time when you could be stopping a Gen that is 70% or more.
I can already tell. Both of you have never played much High Rank. You don’t even need comm’s to be this efficient. It’s literally just that easy if Survivors decide they don’t want to screw around. The only Killer with the potential to stop this crap is The Nurse. I know because i’m a Nurse Main on PS4 myself.
These videos show off exactly how busted the Gen Rush meta is. Nice try with the “Rank 20-9” excuse though. Perhaps there is difference in region/platform. The difference being your region and PC players have so many hours in the game they are bored of actually trying to win, and just dick around more often. -
Survivors are still fresh off the nerf train from Pallet Vaccum and such. They haven’t adapted yet. Meanwhile, the Killers of old have had to hone their skills to the point of insanity when that bullshit was still in the game and they had to deal with it.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8Kbtr4xM67o
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=j9dM4oNPA18
Yet this ######### still exist in the game. Literally all the Survivors have to do is NOT screw around. When they focus rush their object, it’s more or less a GUARANTEED loss for the Killer.
The game is still wildly unbalanced in favor of the Survivors if they simply DO NOT screw around. Survivors can still make the choice. They can choose to just flat out win, or they can choose to dick around and have a possibility of losing. -
You’re not supposed to be by being smart and tricky to the point YOU DONT GET CAUGHT. If you can’t accept you lost, then you need to play a different game. What you want is the game to be fair to you. To YOU, personally. If the game was FAIR toward every singular Survivor, the game would be broken because there are *4* Survivors. At the very least you need to be smarter and more tricky than some other poor shmuck that got caught before you.Touken said:
So your supposed to get camped almost every game making the game boring and just accept it? [BAD WORD] thatSovererignKing said:
You say it’s gone because you want an excuse. It’s not gone, it’s harder to pull off, but it’s still there. If they aren’t good at jukes, that’s their own fault. Most of all when they don’t equip perks that help them juke. You’re not exactly even trying when you refuse to equip Iron Will, Quick and Quiet, Calm Spirit, ect. You’ll slap on your “Stalling Perks” meta of DS/BT/SC/SB. None of which help you hide or Juke.Touken said:
Hiding huh stealth has been gone since the leatherface update and yea not all survivors are good at jucking just how some killers arent always good at killing so they camp so why do survivors loop to not get camp or tunneled oh what would you guys call chasing a survivor who just got unhooked?SovererignKing said:
Welp, if you want to be a dick and not give the Killer a chance then go ahead and Loop. If you can win a game without Looping then you’re a good Survivor and a good person. If you can’t then your bad and need to practice LoS jukes and hiding more.Touken said:Welp if you just want to be a dick and not give a survivor a chance then go ahead but if you can win a game without camping nor tunneling then you are a good killer and a good person if you cant then ur bad and need to practice more
I’ve been bored as of late myself. I bought the bright white outfit on Meg and use No Mither, We’ll Make It, Urban Evasion, and Iron Will. I still win 5/10 games, which isn’t bad. I’m at Rank 3 by the way. Survivors Loop like crazy because they are bad at being sneaky and tricky. They want the game mechanics to do all the work for them, that way they don’t have to think. They don’t have to plan preemptively and anticipate the Killer. They just run and let the game do the work for them.
Its called being tunneled. The Killer has every right to. You screwed up and got found and caught in the first place. It’s not fair at all, and that’s the point. It’s not supposed to be fair. It’s balanced by the fact while the Killer is busy with you, the rest of your team has free reign to do whatever the hell they want on the map. If you can’t get away, that’s your fault. Learn to lose the Killer so he has to go after someone else. If he decides to camp you out, tough luck. Sucks to be you. At least take solace in the fact your team (hopefully) used the time wisely and pounded out the gens. If they didn’t, that’s on them.
This is an asymmetrical game. It’s not fair, but balanced. Don’t complain it’s “not fair” when you pick the side where it’s not *supposed* to be fair.
Look, I get it. It ######### sucks, I know. I’ve been there more times than I can count. Hell, I get camped and tunneled out the ass even though I’m running No Mither. Learn from your mistakes and try again. I’m a huge fan of playing Survivor just as much as Killer. It’s like a never ending game of Dark Souls or Bloodborne for me. Using No Mither is like doing a Soul Level 1 challenge. Don’t focus so hard on the win. Learn to enjoy the experience of a loss. -
Sorry, The Nurse decided not to take new students and teach them the art of teleportation. She used to do that in order to make Survivors so dependent on Pallets, they always ran to them like nit wits thinking they would save them.
The other Killers asked her to stop because it was making it way too hard for them, and Sally, being the kind a caring Nurse she was, agreed. -
Everyone’s got something to ######### about.
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You say it’s gone because you want an excuse. It’s not gone, it’s harder to pull off, but it’s still there. If they aren’t good at jukes, that’s their own fault. Most of all when they don’t equip perks that help them juke. You’re not exactly even trying when you refuse to equip Iron Will, Quick and Quiet, Calm Spirit, ect. You’ll slap on your “Stalling Perks” meta of DS/BT/SC/SB. None of which help you hide or Juke.Touken said:
Hiding huh stealth has been gone since the leatherface update and yea not all survivors are good at jucking just how some killers arent always good at killing so they camp so why do survivors loop to not get camp or tunneled oh what would you guys call chasing a survivor who just got unhooked?SovererignKing said:
Welp, if you want to be a dick and not give the Killer a chance then go ahead and Loop. If you can win a game without Looping then you’re a good Survivor and a good person. If you can’t then your bad and need to practice LoS jukes and hiding more.Touken said:Welp if you just want to be a dick and not give a survivor a chance then go ahead but if you can win a game without camping nor tunneling then you are a good killer and a good person if you cant then ur bad and need to practice more
I’ve been bored as of late myself. I bought the bright white outfit on Meg and use No Mither, We’ll Make It, Urban Evasion, and Iron Will. I still win 5/10 games, which isn’t bad. I’m at Rank 3 by the way. Survivors Loop like crazy because they are bad at being sneaky and tricky. They want the game mechanics to do all the work for them, that way they don’t have to think. They don’t have to plan preemptively and anticipate the Killer. They just run and let the game do the work for them.
Its called being tunneled. The Killer has every right to. You screwed up and got found and caught in the first place. It’s not fair at all, and that’s the point. It’s not supposed to be fair. It’s balanced by the fact while the Killer is busy with you, the rest of your team has free reign to do whatever the hell they want on the map. If you can’t get away, that’s your fault. Learn to lose the Killer so he has to go after someone else. If he decides to camp you out, tough luck. Sucks to be you. At least take solace in the fact your team (hopefully) used the time wisely and pounded out the gens. If they didn’t, that’s on them.
This is an asymmetrical game. It’s not fair, but balanced. Don’t complain it’s “not fair” when you pick the side where it’s not *supposed* to be fair. -
It’s called “Tough Luck sucks to be you”. This game isn’t supposed to be fair to the Survivor. That’s the whole point. It’s balanced (arguably), but it’s not fair. It’s not supposed to be fair.Touken said:
So how would you feel if every game or almost all the time you get camped how would you feel to keep de piping because you dont get enough points and dont say oh you just have to get good because you cant if you keep getting chased at the beggining and you cant be stealthy because that rarely worksKilrane said:Yes, that's what camping is. Counter plays are answers to win a situation. If a Killer camps one Survivor the entire hook time that is your opportunity to do gens uninterrupted. This game's name is "Dead by Daylight" not "Everyone Live in the End". Sometimes sacrificing a team member is the proper play.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6sxzxJBNka8
Now quit crying “Why Me?!”
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Same reason Survivors cry about NOED. It’s a crutch that rewards you for failure by getting found and caught. Just as NOED rewards a Killer for failure at protecting the Gens. Stop crying Killers are OP when Survivors can finish Gens and win in less than 5 minutes.Grimzy said:i do not see why killers make such a fiss about DS...i could see if it was spammable but no, you can only use it 1 per trial. So i would say stop crying. you are op as it is now with the latest patch anyway
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I would like it. I’ve already been there, but I’m a trophy hunter myself for certain games I love. I’m already at 88%
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1. I’m and old Rank 1. That’s the reason I got a 3K.1Handirl said:why u complaining.. U got 3 sacrifces. LOL
2. It that was a real Rank 8 Killer, that would have easily been a 3 man escape. They only had 1 Gen left by the time the last one found the hatch.
3. It’s not fair for the Killer.
4. It’s not fair for the Rank 20 who’s being abused for easy games by the Rank 1’s.
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Yeah... Sure... sounds fair alright.
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Welp, if you want to be a dick and not give the Killer a chance then go ahead and Loop. If you can win a game without Looping then you’re a good Survivor and a good person. If you can’t then your bad and need to practice LoS jukes and hiding more.Touken said:Welp if you just want to be a dick and not give a survivor a chance then go ahead but if you can win a game without camping nor tunneling then you are a good killer and a good person if you cant then ur bad and need to practice more -
PWYF and STBFL with max stacks, With Irridecent Stone and Bloody Coil.
Everyone is one hit from desperately trying to disarm your traps that reset themselves, your’re fast as hell running around as long as you don’t hit your Obsession, and your recover fast as hell from hits with STBFL. Maybe Unrelenting as well if you wiff. -
You’re not seeing it correctly.brokedownpalace said:@SovererignKing
So 10% for each fresh hook..
1 hook: 80 x 1.1 = 88
2 hooks: 88 x 1.1 = 96.8
3 hooks: 96.8 x 1.1 = 106.48
4 hooks: 106.48 x 1.1 = 117.128
So gens should take almost 1.5 times as long once the killer has already made decent progress towards winning? That's the opposite of what should happen. Gens should take longer in the beginning and then decrease each time one is completed or with each hook. Like the first gen takes 100 seconds and with each completed gen the next one takes 5 less seconds and with each new hook it takes 3 less seconds, down to a minimum of 80.
Plus, with your idea + Dying Light or Freddy, or both, would be absolute cancer. The last gen, with all 4 hooks plus the obsession dead would take about 146 seconds. More than 2.5 minutes to do one gen.
That's not including Ruin or Thanatophobia. Against the Doctor with Ruin, Dying Light, and Overcharge? Nearly impossible to complete the last gen, if they get that far.
Like, you actually have to think these things through.
10% debuff is static for ONLY the first hook. Meaning that It will only apply 8 extra seconds PER Survivor.
It’s not accumulative each time the Survivor is hooked. Or are you under the misconception that the debuff affects all Survivors? It literally does nothing more than add 8 seconds base time to a Gen for a total of 88 seconds. This can be multiplied as you said by the aforementioned perks or Killers. That 8 second debuff with Freddy would add 16 seconds (doubled) meaning the Gen (if you actually do it all from start to finish in Nightmare World) would take a grand total of 176 seconds.
You’re doing the math all wrong. You’re doing the math thinking it’s accumulative EACH time the Killer Hooks. No,
its a one time, permanent debuff that affects ONLY the Survivor that’s been hooked.
Even if the Killer hooked every single Survivor once, all that means is that every Survivor now has a base time of 88 seconds per Gen, instead of 80 seconds. It’s basically just slapping an extra 8 seconds on a Gen as punishment for getting caught once. Survivors that never get caught, still get to do Gens as normal.
Plus, that’s some oddly specific builds your calling for. Not to mention, that would require tunneling out the obsession. Which would mean nobody is going to have the debuff anyway before it even becomes a problem. Or is the Killer going to make sure to one hook everyone first, then tunnel out the obsession? What are the other Survivors doing in that time?
Though anyway, it doesn’t matter. You did the math wrong, because you are under the wrong notion. Only the SINGLE Survivor hooked get a -10%, and ONLY for the first hook. It’s basically just the game saying “You got hooked once, your body is now crippled. Gens take 88 seconds to complete now instead of 80.”
Or... I didn’t clarify if you don’t watch Tru3. “Fresh Hook” means the Survivors first time being hooked, and ONLY thier first time, and ONLY for that particular Survivor. Apologies for not clarifying the definition of “Fresh Hook.”
This idea is not designed to slow down early game, this is designed to slow down mid-late game. This gives Survivors time in early game to prove their skills at not being caught, if they want to avoid an arduous mid-late game, and get good points. This provides the Killer a better chance at winning in mid-late game as a reward for not camping and tunneling. -
Not that far, but Pallet Play with be completely one sided again. Pallets will be completely reaction based. There will be no need to “make a read” on the Killer going for a lunge and such to drop the Pallet early. It will be easy drops, that completely take out any mind game potential.yeet said:these buffs will put survivors in the best place they've ever been since infinites were removed, mark my words.
Unhooks will be brain dead. I frames that will combo into I-frames from Sprint Burst. Making sure without fail the Survivor will make it to a Loop or Pallet and continue chases ad nasium. Even possible with Dead Hard.
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Smaller hit boxes for Killers : Looping goes away, Killers can’t body block the basement to hold the game hostage and basement saves aren’t so stupidly hard to do (Even as a Killer, I think the basement is too much atm), Nerf Killer aura reading perks (We don’t need them if Looping is gone, if we can’t find Survivors that’s our fault, not the Survivors fault if they are good at hiding.)Hillbilly420 said:@Runiver said:
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@ChesterTheMolester said:
Mister_Holdout said:I think your analysis is spot on Runiver.
My question is when are the devs going to do something about these ridiculous loops survivors still have?
Seems to me like you should address these problems first before you go suggesting what the devs just did. Or, at the very least, handle it all at one time.
Mclean mentioned on Twitter that many loops will like Fractured Cowshed will be removed/nerfed.
If that is the case i will accept the BL nerf.
Yes, if they actually remove some windows "hard" loops (the ones you cannot counter because survivors consistently have vision on you, while the vault spot remains super strong), then BL can easily go away for sure, as it's not a very healthy mecanic when it comes to pallets, especially with Bloodlust 3.
Bloodlust 3 speed just need to go at some point as it's just a cheese and a rather toxic way to lock a survivor on a juking spot with 0 ways for him to get off of it.My prediction:
- more nurse player
- gens get done as fast in solo as they do in swf
- killers will struggle to rank up because of how short the games are
- long survivor ques for october (seems to be a tradition)
Possibly. Might be the case if all the changes they put on the PTB go live even if people on the forums do not agree with it, similarly to the exhaustion change. I doubt the majority was for that change, and wanted more of a sprint burst change instead.
I doubt it will be that hard to rank up, but as usual, it won't be due to the killer's skill, but rather to the survivor's stupidity and ability to make a shitload of mistakes.
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@SovererignKing said:
se05239 said:Most of these changes feel like emergency killer nerfing to help calm down the survivor masses who's bombarding the game with negative reviews after their minuscule exhaustion "nerf".
It basically is. It’s another knee jerk reaction by the developers.
The problem is that the developers are trying to balance by taking one step forward with Killers, then one step forward with Survivors. Problem is that Survivors are ALREADY 2-3 steps ahead of Killers. The developers need to leave the Survivors alone and focus on the Killers.
Map Balance for Killers first, then Bloodlust. Ect.
But survivors don´t believe that. They think killers are OP (especially Freddy) and that even the slightest nerf is unjustified. Then they review bomb and make fun of killers that complain about serious issues.
Survivor mains and fake Survivor mains (you know, "those" guys who claim they play Survivor/Killer equally but always say "Well, I think Freddy was OP and needed the nerfs." Or "Blood Lodge doesn't have that many pallets. Killers need to git gud." One of those guys) are some stupidest people I have ever come across in any community. The mental gymnastics these guys go through to somehow convince themselves that running around a piece of level geometry is difficult is astonishing.
Running in circles clearly requires a lot of skill. I wonder what would happen if survivors and killers had suddenly the same hitbox. Probably review armageddon.
I'd love to see this, honestly. Would be so much smoother to run loops.
And no more fat shaming.
A thinner hitbox would benefit both sides. No more fat shame spots and it's harder to body block Survivors. it's win/win.
Lastly : Give Killers a REAL incentive to leave the hook. I stick with Tru3Ta1ent’s idea of a debuff for every fresh hook. -10% to repair speed. I want to like the idea of secondary objectives for Survivors to slow the game down, but this doesn’t help the issue of Killers camping folks out. Tru3Ta1ent’s debuff idea kills two birds with one stone. Slows the game down AND reduces the likelihood of camping and tunneling. -
You honestly think they are going to sit there and spend 30 minutes explaining the difference between actual facecamping that’s no longer possible to the Survivors “new facecamping” before saying it’s not bannable?SenzuDuck said:@SovererignKing said:
Master said:@SenzuDuck said:
@SovererignKing said:
SenzuDuck said:
@SovererignKing said:
Killers can’t body block the hook to remove the hook prompt. That’s what facecamping was. Though just like so many whining Survivors, you changed the definition of the word to suit your argument for justification. Bravo.
"Though just like so many whining Survivors, you"
Like all the other mains on this website - label me as a survivor because i disagree with cry baby killers.
I play both equally.
I'm not moaning about face camping, I don't care much to be honest, but to say it doesn't happen is to say survivors never run sprint burst.
Did I say I was a Killer Main? No, I didn’t. Nice job being a hypocrite, and slapping a label on me as well there genius.
Did I call you a Survivor Main? No, I said whining Survivor. By your own admission, you play both equally, so its the Survivor player in you whining.
Secondly, again, face camping isn’t possible because facecamping was body blocking the hook to remove the unhook prompt option. So no, it’s doesn't happen because with the introduction of Swivel Hooks, it’s no longer even possible to do.
You are moaning. And your using the word “facecamping” in order to add a more dramatic tone to your argument because it’s “powerfully foul.” That way you can make it sound much more horrible than it really is, and give your argument more weight.
Can we just remind ourselves you're arguing over nothing, i never complained about face camping. I'm just saying it still exists. there is no argument to be "powerfully foul" lmfao - stop trying to sound smart you're arguing with me over something that never even happened, you think face camping doesn't exist because you think face camping is hook blocking (LOL). I think face camping exists because killer can oh i don't know... stand face to face with a survivor and not move... almost like they're face camping. LUL Arguing over me "whining" when i didn't whine. GG. Also https://support.deadbydaylight.com/hc/en-us/articles/360000442326-Can-I-report-a-player-for-face-camping-
This article from the dbd customer support page that was updated a month agree accepts that face-camping is still in the game
Funny that devs arent even aware of their own definitions. But probably it was just some random mod and not an actual dev, so nvm
Fact is that facecamping has been removed from the game
Suggestive is just a mod, not a dev. Same with Shiroku, Lizi, ect.
Official customer support.
They literally say if someone continues to face camp and bounce between games searching for specific survivors. They don't mention any other ways to get banned by camping other than face camping. If they're willing to ban people for doing it to the same people it must still be in the game.
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Too bad I’m on my cell phone, so wrong again. Nice try. I don’t even own a PC. So no, I’m not “hunched over my keyboard”.only1biggs said:@SovererignKing said:
only1biggs said:@SovererignKing said:
only1biggs said:
@SovererignKing said: Hope JenDenise is happy. She got all the Survivor changes and Bloodlust changes she wanted. And then some with hook buffs to boot. Pretty Good Job so far. You really are a moron :'D
Says the guy who has nothing of value to say. Pot, meet kettle.
LOL
Oh I'm sorry, your valuable post about Jen REALLY threw me. Much value.
Thanks for proving my point, moron :'D
Anyone can go check her tweet and see that the developers are following her advice. So they know who is giving them the “ideas”.
I’m sorry, did I trigger a rabid JenDenise fan? Don’t worry, run to her stream and tell her all about the big bad “nameless forum poster” that triggered you. I’m sure she coddle you some more.
I don't really use twitter, but I am aware of the advice she gave. It was good advice to help both roles in the game. Moreover, bloodlust changes were going to happen before her lists of advice were ever "published".
Triggered? Rabid fan? I'm an adult, these terms mean nothing to me.
When you read something here and you hunch over your keyboard, sweating and angry at life, have a little think before you hit that "post comment" button. It's red for a reason little guy.
Kisses!
Also, no, her changes would help Survivors and have nearly no effect on the top tier Killers, but indirectly nerf the lower tier Killers. The Killers that have powers that help in chase wouldn’t be effected hardly at all, while making those who DON’T have power’s that help in chase even weaker.
Also, get off your high horse. I’m 30 as well, just because I use today’s online words, doesn’t make me automatically immature. -
Are they blocking the hook prompt from appearing? Nope, not facecamping then. If that was actual facecamping, the developers wouldn’t have said facecamping was fixed after the introduction of swivel hooks. GGSenzuDuck said:@Master said:
@SenzuDuck said:
@SovererignKing said:
SenzuDuck said:@SovererignKing said:
Killers can’t body block the hook to remove the hook prompt. That’s what facecamping was. Though just like so many whining Survivors, you changed the definition of the word to suit your argument for justification. Bravo.
"Though just like so many whining Survivors, you"
Like all the other mains on this website - label me as a survivor because i disagree with cry baby killers.
I play both equally.
I'm not moaning about face camping, I don't care much to be honest, but to say it doesn't happen is to say survivors never run sprint burst.
Did I say I was a Killer Main? No, I didn’t. Nice job being a hypocrite, and slapping a label on me as well there genius.
Did I call you a Survivor Main? No, I said whining Survivor. By your own admission, you play both equally, so its the Survivor player in you whining.
Secondly, again, face camping isn’t possible because facecamping was body blocking the hook to remove the unhook prompt option. So no, it’s doesn't happen because with the introduction of Swivel Hooks, it’s no longer even possible to do.
You are moaning. And your using the word “facecamping” in order to add a more dramatic tone to your argument because it’s “powerfully foul.” That way you can make it sound much more horrible than it really is, and give your argument more weight.
Can we just remind ourselves you're arguing over nothing, i never complained about face camping. I'm just saying it still exists.
there is no argument to be "powerfully foul" lmfao - stop trying to sound smart you're arguing with me over something that never even happened, you think face camping doesn't exist because you think face camping is hook blocking (LOL). I think face camping exists because killer can oh i don't know... stand face to face with a survivor and not move... almost like they're face camping. LUL
Arguing over me "whining" when i didn't whine. GG.
This article from the dbd customer support page that was updated a month agree accepts that face-camping is still in the game
Funny that devs arent even aware of their own definitions. But probably it was just some random mod and not an actual dev, so nvm
Fact is that facecamping has been removed from the gameOr, i don't know. You're twisting the definition to suit yourself. If a killer is kissing the survivor on the hook they are FACE CAMPING. CAMPING THE FACE.
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Suggestive is just a mod, not a dev. Same with Shiroku, Lizi, ect.Master said:@SenzuDuck said:
@SovererignKing said:
SenzuDuck said:@SovererignKing said:
Killers can’t body block the hook to remove the hook prompt. That’s what facecamping was. Though just like so many whining Survivors, you changed the definition of the word to suit your argument for justification. Bravo.
"Though just like so many whining Survivors, you"
Like all the other mains on this website - label me as a survivor because i disagree with cry baby killers.
I play both equally.
I'm not moaning about face camping, I don't care much to be honest, but to say it doesn't happen is to say survivors never run sprint burst.
Did I say I was a Killer Main? No, I didn’t. Nice job being a hypocrite, and slapping a label on me as well there genius.
Did I call you a Survivor Main? No, I said whining Survivor. By your own admission, you play both equally, so its the Survivor player in you whining.
Secondly, again, face camping isn’t possible because facecamping was body blocking the hook to remove the unhook prompt option. So no, it’s doesn't happen because with the introduction of Swivel Hooks, it’s no longer even possible to do.
You are moaning. And your using the word “facecamping” in order to add a more dramatic tone to your argument because it’s “powerfully foul.” That way you can make it sound much more horrible than it really is, and give your argument more weight.
Can we just remind ourselves you're arguing over nothing, i never complained about face camping. I'm just saying it still exists.
there is no argument to be "powerfully foul" lmfao - stop trying to sound smart you're arguing with me over something that never even happened, you think face camping doesn't exist because you think face camping is hook blocking (LOL). I think face camping exists because killer can oh i don't know... stand face to face with a survivor and not move... almost like they're face camping. LUL
Arguing over me "whining" when i didn't whine. GG.
This article from the dbd customer support page that was updated a month agree accepts that face-camping is still in the game
Funny that devs arent even aware of their own definitions. But probably it was just some random mod and not an actual dev, so nvm
Fact is that facecamping has been removed from the game -
It basically is. It’s another knee jerk reaction by the developers.se05239 said:Most of these changes feel like emergency killer nerfing to help calm down the survivor masses who's bombarding the game with negative reviews after their minuscule exhaustion "nerf".
The problem is that the developers are trying to balance by taking one step forward with Killers, then one step forward with Survivors. Problem is that Survivors are ALREADY 2-3 steps ahead of Killers. The developers need to leave the Survivors alone and focus on the Killers.
Map Balance for Killers first, then Bloodlust. Ect. -
You do know Freddy’s sleep mechanic isn’t an active single target hit box mechanic, right? It’s a “straight line” status ailment AoE that’s active in front of him. There is quite a large difference in an active single target hit box, and an active AoE hit box. You don’t have to be anywhere near as precise with an AoE, most of all one that is permanently active as long as the player holds the button.powerbats said:@Raccoon said:
Clearly powerbats has some secret Dance Magic up his sleeve!Maybe everyone else is just massively ignorant and this lone dude is right >_>
Or perhaps I know what i'm talking about based upon experience and past posts from others about the you know phantom hit boxes thing.How about all the Freddy players that have no issue with it at rank 1-2, at least those with the proper addons.
When a Killer scores a hit on a Survivor, that’s because the “snapshot” the game registered has The Killers active hit box overlapping the Survivors hit box. This is precise. Freddy’s sleep mechanic is an active AoE, meaning the game takes MUTIPLE “snapshots” and if at ANYTIME, a Survivors hit box overlaps that AoE through MUTIPLE snapshots, the game registers it. When you swing for a hit it’s limited to ONE snapshot to determine if the hit was successful or a miss.
Freddy’s Sleep AoE has MUTIPLE frames to succeed. A regular swing has only ONE. Sprint Burst gives I-frames as the game simply doesn’t register the overlap of a single frame because when Sprint Burst is in effect the Survivors hit box is registered as going 150% movement speed, thus it is “ahead” of the Killers active hit box.
