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@Edilibs said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/361433#Comment_361433
Actually Irongrasp is a direct counter to a sabbo Survivor. It would take a whole Sabbotage squad (team) to be effectove with Sabetour
The basement is a direct counter to sabo XD
Iron Grasp is a must have in almost all my builds.
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(Wish I could have done D)
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@Hoodedfengm1n lel. It describes both of us.
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Legion, Dwight (too much like me), Ace, and Trapper are my favorite lores.
Coincidentally I main all of them.
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@artist said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/362723#Comment_362723
jungle gyms are strong structures. not strong enough for a 5 gen chase. unless you're against a truly new player that many games in a row, you're lying.
I will admit I was exaggerating. But I was not exaggerating a lot of the games are secured for the win for me and my team with that friend running the killer.
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@JAWS_BDSM said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/362765#Comment_362765
Probably. I still think that Entity did something with their bodies. We know for sure that Entity can modify survivors minds and give them knowledge (e.g. they all somehow learned how to repair gens), yet we can` be 100% sure that Entity hasn`t done anything to their bodies. It`s kinda abnormal when survivors who escape the trial with all that wounds easily regenerate or how they don`t bleed out when being injured. They lose TOO MUCH blood to continue running or else
What we see in game is different from what is actually happening. For example, Jake wasn't injured yet went down in one hit in the trailer. David King was killed from a single shank in the side by Frank, and many other things that are inconsistent.
Let's assume that in game effects are 100% canon, then of course the Entity is doing something to keep survivors alive. Otherwise it'd be gg ez every game the killer hits a survivor. But physically, they are still them with emotions intact. Even the killers (some of them) had to be physically/mentally tortured to kill for our savior the Entity.
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@Spicybarbecue said:
legion has literally zero counter play..that's why ppl dc vs him. not fun playing against something that has no counter.
@Spicybarbecue It's a never ending cycle. People want to play Legion legitimately.
People dc, denying the legitimate Legion players from playing and learning how to be better as Legion.
The people who dc deny themselves from learning how to deal with Legion. And then they complain there is no counter to Legion.
It starts, stops, and begins all over again with no end in sight. The literal definition of insanity because people can't or don't want to adapt to a killer who can (for the price of a heart attack) deny the safety of pallets.
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@JAWS_BDSM said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/362729#Comment_362729
I mean they probably no longer posses human bodies. They are just lost souls, forced to suffer to be fed on.
Nope, they retain their bodies. Souls don't bleed and the Entity's realm is physical. It's all like a bad dream, that is very real.
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@Hoodied said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/325300#Comment_325300
We can still get coloured font through quoting
But not anymore. It's like Legacy, except we can't keep it.
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@Bravo0413 It's all subjective my friend. I don't claim that everyone should fine Legion is fun and balanced. But what I am saying is that people are overblowing how bad he is. And juking is never reliable, to the point even I question how I downed someone who should by all rights, still be healthy or injured. I still hook em' but even so...
I find personally find Legion rewarding because I use mindgames and such to kill the survivors. What people like to forget the heart attack the Legion suffers can really be a detriment without add ons to help. And I barely have the cooldown add ons of any sort.
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@Galklife said:
@Shad03 i dont wont to be mean but i cant belive in constantly pulling of 5 gen chase agains every killer (except nurse), i want some proof because i refuse to belive someone can for example 10 times in row meet so bad killers, but if for example you are playing together and someone has R15 and you play vs R15 killer thats possible, but that count as de-ranking to bully baby killers and that should be bannable + if he is using "deffinetly not infinite windows" (i hope you know what i mean, like ironworks window) then its possible but thats scummy and there is no infinite window in every map so its not possible
Given that we usually get the worst possible maps for killers, it's believable. Of course on the rare occasion we do get a good killer, but those are few and far between.
I will tell you, he practiced his arse off to be a good looper and killer runner. I feel safe having him in a match cause I know he can handle the killers.
(That being said, there were a few times a Myers tombstoned him, but he laughed. And we did as well)
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I'd like to believe it's a Call of Duty reference. But it could have been some poor desperate soul was desperately reaching for the switch, then touched it before being dragged off by a killer.
The Entity must've accidentally copied the blood mark for the later trials.
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@JAWS_BDSM said:
I don`t think that it is even possible for survivors to make a child in the Entity`s realm, as they could hardly be called "living beings". For the present moment they are nothing more than shadows of their former selves
False. They are still them, or else they'd be useless as a food source for the Entity.
If they were nothing but shadows of their former selves, they would have gave up.
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@Hoodedfengm1n I only need the Entity watching over me.
Hear my voice, spare my ways, protect me from the void.
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@Galklife said:
@Shad03 if killer is hold for entire game with 1 pallet and T/L walls that mean that killer is dumb enough and even bloodlust 3 isnt helping him, BL 3 is pretty much guaranteed hit
im not telling your friend isnt good, but that killer was literally worst killer in the game, i know there can spawn disgusting set-ups on lerrys or haddonfield and then map can almost be infinite
no mather how much your friend is good with current game mechanics BL3 (i know its weaker than it used to be but still its strong), bamboozle you can pull off 5 gen chase using 1 pallet IF killer isnt pretty much rank 15
Don't get me wrong, sometimes he does get hit. But then he also runs Dead Hard, which (if the game doesn't screw him over) buys him more time then he needs.
Maybe I was exaggerating by basically in all matches he can outplay the killers. Even Nurses are not safe (unless it is a sweaty try hard nurse but I don't count them), on the times he does drop pallets it usually helps him.
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@artist said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/362709#Comment_362709
100% the killer's fault
On 100% of the matches against various killers?
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@projecteulogy said:
I'm just gonna wait this whole ordeal out until the emblem system completely wrecks a majority of the high rank killers(and survivors) who use toxic playstyles such as tunnel/camp/slugging to get kills.
I run Iron Will and Lightweight on just about every build because of Legion. To counter Legion, you don't heal to full. You're wasting time. Break all the totems and gen rush him. Legion is fairly garbage unless you're playing solo then you might run into issues due to the huge lack of coordination and Specific Addon combinations make him almost impossible to get away from.
Deep Wound is a trivial joke. Almost every Legion runs the same meme build. So just play to counter it.
The only real meta I run on Legion is Blood Hound and Sloppy Butcher. Purely because I used that perk combo long before Legion was a thing.
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@tt_ivi_99 said:
Dont get me wrong, I also like Legion but he just doesnt care about the game's rules and that's a problem.
At least Nurse suffers from fatigue when she fails her swing, but making Legion stop his entire power when he misses would make him even worse than what he is now.
He's a edgy rebellious teen. The fact he, or the other Legion members, don't play by the rules is the most in character thing about him. Also the most genius thing that the devs did, intentional or not.
But, that I will agree is the problem with Legion. You can't touch him or else he'll be unplayable/unbeatable. Which is why I said he's sorta fine.
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@Hoodedfengm1n I have no wifi at home so I even if I did have proof I can't send it. When I do get wifi I'll record the match and post it as a video on Youtube.
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@Galklife said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/362700#Comment_362700
well killers are complaining about pallet looping since survs started doing that, and now its over 2 times less pallets (maybe even less than 2 times but 2 times since i started playing so i can tell that much) so tell me sth about no results in bitching about pallet loops
I have a friend who doesn't even need pallets. Just a jungle gym. He can literally hold a killer off with ONE pallet an entire game, to the point the killer just kinda ignores him.
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@MhhBurgers said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/362690#Comment_362690
So complaints of ppl are relevant now? Killer Acceleration buff to stop palletlooping when?
Honestly don't know.
I'll be happy with longer duration and faster Frenzy Movement as base for Legion. SO I can use power as intended.
Or replace Fuming Mixtape's effects to allow for Unlimited Frenzy, which only goes away if you double hit a survivor.
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@Hoodedfengm1n I did once.
Where I got my nick name 'Big Schlong [Insert Real Name Here]'
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The alternative will hard buff Legion's using Hex:TTS.
Had a game once where I managed to blind all survivors in like two Frenzys and was able to defend the totem. No one escaped death.
Along with the fact people stupidly thinking not healing against me is a good idea... Hehe.
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@Galklife said:
i too like this thread, almost noone is using arguments "you are bad" its amazing, im not telling to delete legion because 1st they wont do that (they literally cant), 2nd i like their desing (except power), Sussie is BAE, and i bought both her skin and DLC 1h after release
i want their re-work, i know you can give me a lot plays as Legion, but when you play vs other Legions you can agree most games looks like "i do the exact same things you did but faster but wait for my m2" or "i will moonwalk you to death". And i get that you may play in diffrent way i have exact same problem(but with other killer), i main pig and as we all know 90% of pig players (that arent doing daily) refuse to use dash, or crouch to sneak on survivors (half of them tunnel trap or suck for whole game to use noed and trap 3ppl so they cant run away) and i play pig(and some wraith) with enduring/spirit fury/ whispers/bbq, use crouch to pull survivors off gens and because 90% of pig players thinks her main power are traps those 10% pig players are treated as 4Heads because noone belives you about crouch or dash
@Galklife Mmhm.
I have a rework I put my heart and soul into, but we will not talk about it here. Anyways, I hope whatever happens to Legion, it will be something people will stop complaining about.
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@Orion said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/362638#Comment_362638
There's no need to subscribe to anything, it's what's literally written in the lore. It's fact.
The issue with Schrödinger's Cat and related thought experiments is that they're an attempt at "translating" what is, in fact, a fairly complex process. Furthermore, quantum mechanics doesn't really apply to our macroscopic world, due to the law of large numbers.
@Orion Some people (who are not me) think other things, I am terrible with words at the best of time. But I am saying I read and see the written lore as fact.
And I see that now, thank you for clarifying.
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@Orion said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/361309#Comment_361309
The devs are not theoretical physicists. Baker experienced being on the hook and dying, and he just wound up back on the campfire, like all survivors. No QM to be found here.
PS: Also, that's not how quantum immortality works.
Not my personal theory. I'm one of the few who subscribe to what you just said, but if the odd chance there is some science behind it all, that theory presented to which I replied to would be right.... Until you just told me that not how QM works.
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@tt_ivi_99 said:
Let me ask you a question: How would you feel if there was a survivor than can throw the same "super save" pallet over and over again everytime it's destroyed? There is no counter to that, right? Legion is the same.
You jump a window? He jumps as well.
You throw a pallet? He jumps over it too.
You 360 him? He has no cooldown.
You try to play ninja? He finds you anyway.
All of this was made so that he could stab one person and go after many others without having any problem, that's fine. But his power can down you, therefore It can be abused. It's not like Nurse because Nurse can be juked and mindgamed, unlike Legion.
In my oppinion he shouldnt be able to down people with his power and he should have 115% movement speed, that's all he needs to be balanced.
That being said, this was a post that I want to reply to. An interesting question.
No pallet is ever safe. I could just equip Enduring, Spirit Fury and that pallet wouldn't save that survivor forever.
Jokes aside I personally don't feel that is a good comparison. Legion can be adapted to, every killer can. But a pallet (which in this theoretical example I assume is one the the most godliest safe pallet in existence), cannot be countered completely, especially once the devs fix the 'pallet hit trade off' that we have going on. So when that happens, the point is moot. Even Legion suffers from that, and it will be worse when they can no longer trade hits.
I wish more killers could yeet over pallets and windows, but that's just me (even playing solo where my chances of death is high).
Due to all the complaints I bet you fifty bucks they are going to give him a cooldown as a bandaid fix. And then he'd be worst to play.
Assuming you decide to be anywhere close to another survivor. He trumps stealth, only when he can actually find someone. I've hid from many Legions before and once haven't been found an entire match.
If it's in the game, it can be abused. Survivors do it, and literally every other killer does it too if they could. Yes I know that isn't really the point, but I am trying to say that Legion is being used as a scapegoat for the actions of those that choose to abuse him. What about people like me who don't abuse the chase mechanics (rarely at least)?
I actually honestly wouldn't mind that trade off, 115% for no power death potential? He'll have SOMETHING of map pressure. But I dunno, my opinion is that he is fine as is/or he needs a rework of his power. I gave my own idea somewhere, but of course it won't see the light of day.
Thank you for being calm about all this. One of the things I respect about you.
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So I was gone for a bit and my Entity was this a sight to come back to. I think I need more tea.
Unfortunately I do not have the patience to reply to each and every last one of you. But I can safely say I was at least 25% right that someone would have disregarded my entire post with nothing but 'Delete Legion'.
Whether or not you agree or disagree with me I am happy that people didn't go at each other's throats in this thread (or if they did I did not see it as such). So you all restored what little faith I had in these forums, I thank some of the people here for that.
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@HeroLives said:
2 things that can easily be done to legion to offset the dc rate against legion
- remove deep wounds
- remove the ability to slide pallets while in frenzy.
They can start with removing atleast one of either of these
Give Legion something else other then deep wounds, keep ability to YEET over pallets and windows.
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@tt_ivi_99 said:
People can discuss whatever they want as long as it doesnt break the rules of this forum. I dont see how that's related to my question tho.
@tt_ivi_99 You sorta answered your own question.
Also some people actually like how the Legion is as they are now (to answer your question).
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@Dwight_Fairfield said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/361705#Comment_361705
Even if that were true, you say that like that somehow vindicates the poor behavior on Eveline's part. Other people act that way, too, so its ok. Not its not.
@Dwight_Fairfield Fair enough. I will not say more on that particular subject as I don't want to look like a fool on that topic.
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@Eveline said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/361700#Comment_361700
So if I play Legion and get people mad (Just because I play Legion) I should be banned from the forum. Oh god you people will say anything to support your claims.
I'll have to support @Dwight_Fairfield and say that's not what he meant.
And as for you @The_Bogeyman , I failed to see any facts regarding @Eveline .
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@Dwight_Fairfield said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/361693#Comment_361693
I've seen you admit you say certain things regarding the Legion just to make people mad. That is toxic, petty and I am pretty sure against forum rules, too, to try and provoke other posters.
That's half the other people on this forum nowadays but they don't get jailed. I would name them but that's naming and shaming.
@Eveline if true I would advise you cease that before you get banned.
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@The_Bogeyman said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/361686#Comment_361686
I don't care what the reason is. It doesn't matter. A rule breaker who got slapped into line talking about getting other peeps banned is too funny.
I'd say that Eveline pretends to be a lot of things they ain't on here heh.
@The_Bogeyman No, the mods just don't have a sense of humor. Or at least one of em' doesn't. (Wouldn't be surprised if I get jailed/banned for this or the fact we are talking about jailed stuff now is going to get this thread closed).
You make me believe that you are a troll for even writing all that. Please good person, think before typing (Which is advice I should follow as well, so I wouldn't blame you for not listening to me).
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@The_Bogeyman said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/361500#Comment_361500
Heh you're trying to be sarcastic or rhetorical right? Gotta be.The toxic troll who's been slapped on the wrist by the mods is talking about getting people banned in the game. Its too funny.
@The_Bogeyman Funny enough, Eveline was jailed for pretending to be a Fog Whisperer. Five seconds to look at the profile wall would have told you that.
You're being ignorant.Okay, ignorance is not right. But all of five seconds is still apparently too much for you. -
I don't hate or love SWF. It's meh to me. However I find survival easy when I play with friends. But I solo too.
(I use Urban Evasion, and I am glad because it has saved my life more times then I can count. It's a wonderful perk but I don't spend ALL of the match crouching.)
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@Chaotic_Riddle Well, that is certainly more unique then mine. Not that I have regrets.
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@Kebek said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/361618#Comment_361618
Ineed to each their own. But If I may ask why not play freddy insted if you like challenge ?
I think that he has far more limitations that would consider playing him to be a challenge.
Isn't playing Legion when you play him the intended way just waiting for your power to charge up so that you can land another stab. It feel like just waiting on your power to kick in and do the job.
I occasionally play Freddy, but he is not completely for me. Especially since I had him prestige and I spent most of my Blood Points on Trapper and Legion. And Dwight with Ace. I'm currently (at least, I was) using the Trapper to get more Blood Points with my Blood Point Gain build.
How I play Legion? I use my power when I can (normally when the bar is half full), and use routes to shorten the chase. Feral Frenzy if I think I can stab multiple people.
If someone is saved right next to me I either FF the saved and go for the savior, or I hit the would be savior, down the saved to prevent safe hook, and then punish the hook farmer.
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@Animalheadskull said:
I think the whole DC against legion is just a big mass hysteria now. It's just programmed legion= DC. A tip would be that I've noticed almost every legion respects pallets, if you just keep looping when they stop it messes them up really bad
@Scgamecock86 I respect pallets because I don't want to give survivor points. But generally I'm not too affected by pallet respecting.
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@N0xyD3ad Actually I could care less about whether someone is shirtless or not. This is for the memes.
(Shirtless Dwight sounds sweet though.)
Edited since once I read it again I realized I sounded rude.
(Also I like to think I'm straight, so I REALLY could care less about shirtless dudes.)
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@Kebek said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/361573#Comment_361573
I play my killers most of the time to earn as many kills as I can since that what I consider winning. Playing Legion normaly is not very effective against high ranked survivors since they don't waste as much time doing nothing like lower ranks do. So I use Bloodhound + sloppy butcher and just moonwalk them till they go down. There is no counter play against this from survivors side so I get my dcers but that is what I want when I play Legion since for me he's a salt mine. I also find it to be most effective way to play Legion since without his power any good looper will destroy him.
I'm not saying that I enjoy such style of play since I don't but when I'm just to feeling like doing mindgames and in dire need of some salt I just play Legion. He's so straight forward and easy to play unlike any other killer. Ofc you can educate me on which aspect of Legion requires skill since I certainly consider trapper to be much harder to play then Legion. With trapper you need to know every maps trap placements while still doing basic M1 mindgames. With Legion you just stab and wait and if you try to do M1 mindgames then you need to face potato survivors for them to work.
I dunno maybe I just never found the skilful way of playing him since moonwalking to me at least seems much more effective while beiing super easy.
Ofc I'm not telling you what you're supposed to have fun with. I'm just merely stating that Legion lacks any chase counterplay from survivor's point of view which is the foundation of the problem and why so many survivors dc against them.
To each their own, I play the 'correct way', you play the abusive mechanic way. I will also not tell you how to play, but I myself am the kind of person who likes a challenge. And since I play the mostly intended way, Legion matches that description for me.
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@Galklife About your edit:
I never said you said that, I used a counter argument. As with all things, you reward the killer for bad plays. It's just no one figured out the Legions weakness since they all dc.
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@Galklife said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/361532#Comment_361532
so in your opinion surv can only lose LOS and pray to not get found? thats best counterplay you found? thats Pog from me
and hag isnt powerless xd its like 5th or 6th strongest killer
but to be real there is 1 way to fix that, in lobby survs can see killer (killer can see survs) and then both sides can DC if they dont like each other BUT to prevent bully, all Loadouts are locked, no perk changing, no Last sec switch to Legacy FL or to Legion. and both sides will be happy, except kids that like to bully baby killers (they should get punished)
and to ppl that use argument "i dont belive survs would prefer to play vs nurse more than vs legion" and then "rly good nurse will down you instant without counterplay" yea RLY GOOD NURSE, but Legion just need to play his 3rd game in DBD to down you no mather how good surv you are
@Galklife In my opinion that is ONE of the counters. Remember, Legion cannot see your scratch marks when using their power, and if you break line of sight while miraculously avoiding a hit, you can lose the Legion easily, I've done so in a few instances against the Legion.
When I say powerless Hag, I mean a Hag whom doesn't use her power. Which you are forced to do in the circumstances that all your traps are gone/unusable.
Your suggestion would lead to a riot from the killers from how many survivors will dodge them. I'd rather that NO SIDE dodge and just grow a pair. I don't dodge at all, but given who I play I'll be dodged, which is worse for killers considering it's four times the people who would dodge.
....I will not comment on that last part....
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@fluffybunny said:
I thought this was gonna be a post about how they're attractive lol.
I don't DC unless I need to (will hold the game hostage if I don't) or if on accident. Saying "I very much doubt you'd do that to a real life killer who is intent on killing you." is incorrect, though. People are using whatever method they can to acquire the killer's attention to waste their time and help their friends get out. It's an equivalent to someone calling a killer names and trying to attract their attention or distract them.
Also you say killers shouldn't dodge or DC, but they do. Sometimes they'll DC out of rage if they can't catch someone or if they're not doing well by the end. Often they will dodge, though, especially when given a hand they don't want. Why else would SWF have issues with people dodging them? Even as solo survivor, I get dodged sometimes. People just assume everyone is SWF. I've had a killer call me names and be very rude 'cause he thought I was SWF with another player.
I personally like Legion. Specifically Susie 'cause she's cute. Some of the mechanics Legion has is unfun to go against, though. From what I've heard, the mending time takes a while and how they can just stab stab behind you without any stun for missed swings is a bit much. Makes it kinda brain dead. One of the add-ons is particularly broken, too. People really shouldn't DC, though. If they have an issue with the killer, constructive criticism for the devs would be far better than to just DC.
@fluffybunny Lel, sorry to disappoint.
I understand dcing if real life needs to take the front seat. But to dc against specific killers is just bad. To an extent I agree with you, and trust me if my friends are in danger (in the game) I would certainly enter a locker fast to gain the Killer's attention, or even t-bag. But to do so after a pallet drop, flashlight blind, at the gates? Unacceptable.
I know they do, and I want them to stop. But we can't have things my way, cause Entity forbid someone has to adapt to a difficult situation. I have never once dodged (except for a time where I abused the matchmaking system to have my friends enter a lobby with me, I had long since stopped), and I wish for others to follow my lead. I've dced as killer, but only when I was needed in the real world. SWF are a (kill me) hit or miss, I either wipe one or all the mother [Bad Word]s out, or they crush me even at my best.
I like the Legion too, since they speak with me on a spiritual level XD. I myself don't specifically abuse the mechanics given to me unless I have to. Otherwise, oh well. I either win or lose. I don't use Franks a lot since I very rarely (get it?) receive it from the web. I have like... one or three. My goal with this post is to have people think and learn to be mature, to offer good feedback instead of being children and dcing. Do you honestly think I find survivors disrespecting me fun? However since I play mostly killer I suppose I gotta be thrown under the bus right?
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@Kebek said:
I play Legion and I don't dc against them but I really dislike their power's design and I think it's really bad for the game. He need rework that makes him more skillful to play and give him more chase counterplay while possibly making him overall stronger.
Ofc Legion isn't very powerful killer if he's played like inteded or even with some small chase mechanics abuse. Problem is that he's extremely unfun to play against and not very rewarding to play as. As survivor you can't outjuke him or mindgame him with anything since he just vaults over everything and just stabs you till you go down. Not very enjoyable experience. If he's using bloodhound and he's moonwaling you're just on a set time until you go down and there is NOTHING you can do about it.
As killer you only stab people without doing any mindgames, any red glow plays or anything that requires any amount of brain activity since you don't suffer from any CD on your attacks and you're moving much faster. You can just stab them and wait until they go down and you pick them up. Yay I'm so skillful I managed to follow blood for 30s. It's just not the same as hitting survivors after some great red glow manipulation play.
Ofc I play Legion when I don't want to do difficult mostly even unrealiable mindgames while dealing with the annoying loops or when I just want some delicious survivor salt. That's whats most fun about him, that you don't have to try very hard and all the salt.
I hope he gets some meaningful changes soon since he's just unrewarding to play as and extremely annoying to play against. He needs more depth to him is probably what I want the most. Right now he's just bypassing everything that makes killers good at playing killer role.
I dislike the power for a completely different reason. It wasn't true to the character presented in the trailer. But to say he isn't skillful is like saying every other killer is skilless as well. People just play Legion wrong, and unfortunately, they have to.
Fun is subjective and when I get kills with him I feel rewarded since I normally R2 them down since I can mindgame. As a survivor I can mostly counter everything even the scummiest of Legion players with time. Much like the Spirit or Nurse, learn how a Legion plays before deciding 'Well I'm dead, derp.'
Dunno how you play, but I can assure you I absolutely refuse to play like that. Very much like the Hag I will mind game by hiding my stain and trying my best to get a normal hit in whenever possible. To say you can't mind game as the Legion is wrong, you merely choose to play in a way that you felt would earn you kills.
Salt is a good factor when playing Legion, but Legion is as stressful to me as every other killer can get when the survivors know what they are doing. Guess who I use when I want a semi easy time and want to relax? The Trapper, yeah, you know the guy everyone seems to love throwing under the bus?
I want a reasonable rework too, but as of now is fine. At least to me. People are reacting to him like how they react to Freddy, except they don't even give Legion a chance. Legion is a edgy rebellious gang of teens, what else would they do? XD
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@twistedmonkey said:
The problems on both sides as you state.
Each side complains about the other instead of just playing.
I personally can understand both sides complaints about certain things especially with SWF ability to stack items, offerings and Legion not being fun.
It's on the devs to fix it all and we should all just accept the game as it is right now, stop dodging and dcing and continue to give constructive feedback.
I don't think I have ever seen a game so divided with so many people whining and crying who think their sides has the right to do something but if the other does it it's wrong.
This is why dodging and dcing needs fixed asap, i dont see it happening until dedi servers come tbh but i believe it will happen, some players might stop playing but if they do it leaves those who willing to play and to me that is better for the game in the long run.
Both sides complain, but offer little to no constructive feedback.
I have no real problem with SWF. My only problem is that it takes away the fear factor if it's a competent group. (They aren't brave, they just forgot the fear of death.) Let them have their perks and items. Legion is subjective on fun, I find them fun. Apparently the vast majority do not.
Everything under that is something I agree with.
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@artist said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/361496#Comment_361496
its a horror game for the first 2 hours of playing it. no one "should" be afraid of the killers, we have a teen in a mask as a killer, and people that wanna ######### the spirit??? I doubt anyone with more than 50 hours of experience finds the game scary anymore. i only asked that question because you felt comparing the two was enough justification as to why people shouldn't dc or taunt their opponents
@artist And that's the game/people problem which is what I am trying to point out. I'm trying real hard here to see the argument from both sides, however that is a bit hard, if you can imagine. Anyways, there are such things as examples and that is what I used. You cannot honestly tell me you haven't used examples like mine to justify your arguments. I pointed out the problems for both sides, and used (mostly movie examples. Cause you don't really see a main character in say, Nightmare on Elm Street making fun of Freddy) examples on why you shouldn't taunt (survivor) or run off (killer).
(It doesn't matter what it is, what game is out there, how disturbing it is, there is a rule out there that hasn't once failed to be exercised. Rule 34. If something exists, you can be sure there is [Lovely Word] of it.)
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@Galklife said:
OK @Shad03
tell me how i can adapt to killer that when he got stun and is destroying pallet, you cant run away from him and you have to wait untill he finish breaking pallet because if you ran YOU WILL GET PUNISHED for losing killer or making distance between you, thats the most braindead about Legion, Killer that is rewarded after he makes mistakes ... i wont even tell about 80% of moonwalking legions which isnt reportable because its "game mechanic" so i keep my steam nick "galklife Legion=DC" and most survs in lobby are telling me ~im with you buddy i will DC too
dont you think most Legion mains are killers that didnt adapted to DBD and use easiest way to play? (just ignoring every other game mechanic)
and you cant use argue im surv main, i play both roles equal and i dont need perks to as wraith get to R1 (if rank ever meant anything but some still think that way so i use it so they cant argue about rank)
and Last not least, you know whats most frustrating about Legion? all survs are equal when he is chasing you, no mather if you have 1,8k hours (like i do) or you are braindead meg (200h) you still will last 45 sec(random number but thats not the case) because hey ima Legion ima M2 you 3 times so you cant do sh.., just wait and get stabbed or moonwalked
@Galklife I'll be respectful and show you not everyone here is bad.
Not all Legions play very scummy like that. I can tell you right now you are screwing over people who paid for Legion one way or the other. I can understand frustrations for killers dodging or dcing but you are being a part of the problem. I've faced many a Legion and won chases against them, and I am by no means, a good survivor. The counters are to stay a step ahead, lose line of sight, pray the Legion isn't running Bloodhound. Heal when you can, never know when the Legion is a M1/R2/RT killer.
I certainly don't, even when it would be the smartest thing to do. I only abuse mechanics when I feel like I have to. Otherwise I play as normally as possible without actively hindering myself. I play Hag a lot so I can play Legion, who is a lot like a powerless Hag.
I am not really 'one of those people' who say 'YoU'Re A SUrvIvOr mAIn', I hate those people. However if you can tell me you play Legion rank 1 against even a suboptimal swf group in rank 1 with proof of you killing at least three, then I will concede and say you won the argument. (Rank only matters when it's against you.)
All survivors are equal to all killers. In the fact that it doesn't matter your skill, if a killer outplays you, you will die without teamwork. With your logic every killer is braindead since they all have the same objectives, they only differ in how they go about it. Which is what I can't understand about people like you. The Nurse can teleport to hit you. The Wraith uncloaks by you and hits you. The Trapper straight up strides over and smacks you. Every killer, no matter what their ability, has to chase and hurt you. But I guess since the Legion has the ability to moonwalk you to death it's a bad thing. Despite every other killer having less ways to lose you.
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@The_Bogeyman said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/361457#Comment_361457
Heh says the one with prison bars on their avatar.
@The_Bogeyman What does Prison Bars have to do with anything?
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@artist said:
why do u keep comparing reality to a video game?
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I'm gonna answer in the way I interpret it. Please tell me if I completely missed the mark.
I know the fine line between fiction and reality. I don't treat this game as real, I only made the comparisons because (le gasp) I am sick of 'killers' whom dodge lobbies because of items. And then you have survivors who aren't afraid of the killer as they should be.
I understand this is a game, but it's a asymmetrical HORROR game that should make you afraid since as a survivor you're in the weakest role when alone. People just didn't get the memo that killers are supposed to be scary. Instead they treat killers as a joke (I've done so too, even in games like Outlast, Slender (back when I wasn't completely jaded), etc).