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How is it broken again?! T3 madness need to recover sanity before doing any action.
Do you play killer? Try your build on red ranks.
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@GoodBoyKaru said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1508844#Comment_1508844
Oh good greif has this not died yet
I'm so done with this thread and it's op. Please just leave me out of it by this point.
That's because your logic is flawed and it's been exposed to more people.
Please justify more how survivors can use everything but killers are bad because they "rely" on NOED some more.
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Useless topic.
You can tunnel/camp/slug and use mori/iri-heads whatever, no one cares. Do you need our approval and validation?
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@EuphoricBliss35 said:
“Balance” isn’t pairing 2 experienced survivors with 2 survivors that just bought the game.
here’s what you said “game is totally balanced because you get 1-2 bad survivors on your team. I love playing survivor now because my teammates aren’t totally useless. Thanks bhvr!”
ohhhhhkayyyyy 😴
Of course not. You want easy games this is the problem, you want all 3 team mates with 1000+ hours and that you put no effort at all, usual survivor main.
Play both sides for once. I haven't tried Killer yet but Survivor is balanced to me, I get 1-2 good team mates but even the news ones are useful because they actual hold M1.
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@Orion said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1508844#Comment_1508844
No, no, you can use perks, but only if you get no value out of them, otherwise you're "relying" on them to win. For example, if you're a stealth player, bring MoM. If you never work on gens, bring Leader. If you never kick gens, bring Overcharge. It's all about bringing perks you will never use, so you're not relying on them to win.
Hahahahahahhahhahahaha...!
Did you see his post? Reminds me of the Hatch is killer-favored mechanism by some other survivor main.
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Why is watching football more entertaining than playing it (for some people)?
Personally, I like to play. Never found the appeal in watching, but I do watch sometimes while waiting for a queue.
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@Majora said:
I've been getting longg queue times and I never used to I always had instant q. I'm killer who used to get instant q but now even up to 15 minutes.
I get many new survivors can't play and occasional VPN sweat squads from asia I think this matchmaking is realllly bad.
It's working great so far for me!
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Exactly, play whatever you want.
Camp, tunnel, mori, slug, iri heads, whatever you want..
Why do you pay attention to what bullies cry about?
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@Canas said:
Remove Adrenaline from the game then we can talk about changing NOED.
True brother, true...
But what about DS/DH/SB/Self-Care/BT etc. etc.?
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I repeat, each team should have 1-2 bad players at least. This is the definition of balanced.
OP wants to team up with god survivors all the time and play easy games.
Good job BHVR, don't heed the entitled spoiled kids please.
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@Maperson said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1508506#Comment_1508506
I mean it can be scummy but
Tunneling- if I come to hook and you are the only survivor I can find what should I do? Let you go away?
Camping- you shouldn't face camp, that sucks, but sometimes it's smart to camp if survivors are rushing to the hook, I won't leave it if I see 2 of you coming for unhook.
Slug- Like I said against good survivors it necessary sometimes, it slows the game down if gens are flying.
They all are legit techniques and I do not know what's scummy about it.
Example: Survivors gen rush until last drop before unhooking survivor, you damn right I will camp him.
But yes, DS/BT in their current state are not anti tunnel/camp.
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@badaB00M3R said:
If you win you're bad. If you lose you're bad. I've been trolled for actually not 3rd hooking survivors. Yes, in a match where I completely dominated the map, I let people farm and was trolled for days over it.
My advice: Either you enjoy the game or you find something else to do. There are literally thousands of other options. Play how you want and ignore chat. Living your life to please others is futile.
Exactly this, this is the message I hope to deliver to killers.
Only way survivors are pleased is when you give them a free win, but even then you never know..
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More like they are in your team and you are whining about it.
Matchmaking is doing great, teams should be balanced. 1-2 good survivors, 1-2 potato. Since 2 kills is a win, right?
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@Maperson said:
Let's look it like this
DS- don't tunnel, I hook the survivor I start searching for other survivors, I find other and down the that survivor and hook him, I find other survivor across the map, down him and get him by DS, I was tunneling?
Unbreakable- don't slug (which is necessary against good survivors most of the time) get hit by DS or get up with soul guard
NOED- don't want to get hit by it? Don't do gens
Besides, why shouldn't killers camp/tunnel/slug anyways?
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So far I have good experience playing Survivor...
But killer, no effect except faster matchmaking
So for me, it's doing good. And besides, it's common sense to wait a bit before judging it.
I swear to ######### God this community is full of cry baby survivors ######### who are so entitled and ungrateful.
to add to that; It's is doing pretty good job if you get 1-2 bad survivors in your team. That's how it should work, balance teams out.
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@leatherfav88 said:
As a survivor main i think we need to stop shaming people on both sides for using things that might be considered "crutch" i hate that people will say that people who us noed or ds are bad at the game
Words of wisdom and truth.
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Hahahahha, funny chat.
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@Mandy said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1482645#Comment_1482645
Nothing to do with being survivor sided at all!
It's locked in because when you search for a match that's when the matchmaking happens, so if you queue with your strongest killer for example and then decide to change to another killer whilst in the lobby you are going to struggle...that would also be abused the other way around - you'd queue on your weaker killer and be matched with survivors of that skill level, then switch up to one of your stronger killers in the lobby.
The difference for survivors that there's no difference between characters in the same way there is for killers.
I just played the Hag.. I am pretty sure I haven't played her in like 6 months... Still matchmaked with great survivors that can be matched with my best killer.
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Good detailed post, thanks for this.
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@Eynox said:
Hmm, break dull totems instead of gen rushing?
Especially vs killers that often run NOED. Seems like a good counter.
Use the brain to identify which perks the killer is probably running. Decide if you should break totems before focusing gens.
-survivor main
I agree but regardless:
Bullying people online who play a video game is not okay at all. Calling them "toxic" for utilizing in-game strategies or "bad players" is the pure definition of griefing and, well, being toxic.
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@RNG_is_fun said:
Noed isn't even a good perk. You'll get a free down and everyone will leave. I would run it if it was better.
Super true but survivors are whiny cry babies and we all know it, and they go on to bully players online on how they should play a video game and that they are "toxic" (the irony) people.
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@LuffyBlack said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1504823#Comment_1504823
Toxic is a term used quite liberally, but that depends on your definition. I do not see tactics such as tunneling or camping as "toxic" especially not slugging. They're tactics people find disagreeable but it's not griefing. I really wish people wouldn't do this. Its on the onus of the killer whether or not they desire to follow these made up honor codes. Just because DS and BT could be used as counters doesn't mean that they're frowned upon or deemed illegal by the development team.
There seems to be a misunderstanding of DS and Noed as concepts, I could follow the honor codes((which I do unfortunately)) then still eat a DS. There's far too many variables in a match that the community does not account for when they ostracize the way killers play. DS could be used as an anti-tunnel perk but the developers, correct me if I am wrong here, did not state that that was its purpose and NOED isn't made to "get easy kills" it's purpose is for end game same as Remember Me. The end game is just as important as the early game, it isn't over because you completed all of the gens. It could easily be countered by eliminating totems or running reconnaissance perks or a simple map. While both perks could be unfun to play against and I wouldn't be against a rework, neither are inherently evil. They're both tools.
DBD is supposed to be a game of cat and mouse, you have to think ahead of your opponent even before you load up. There are tactics that are unfun, but that doesn't mean they are wrong. That's mostly subjective. We need to have a conversation about what we'd like to see from other players without shaming them because killers seem to bare 80% of the brunt of this from this community. They can't even run certain add ons without people giving them grief for it. I think that's the frustration the OP is having, though he's expressing it rather poorly...
What is this that I am reading...?
Something with an.... actual common sense?! And is logical!
No way!
Thank you for existing.
Edit: On expressing it poorly: Because I am convinced those survivor mains are just toxic griefers that are not even willing to listen, but they project their toxicity into Killers and they don't see that they are just some spoiled entitled e-bullies dictating how people can play a video game that they paid for, in their own leisure time.
But let me emphasize one last time: NO, using NOED/Mori/Iri Heads/Tunneling/Camping/Slugging is NOT toxic at all, and do not mean you are a bad (or good) killer again, or a toxic person. Because that's just stupid as they are just techniques and strategies that you can (and should) utilize.
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@Demogordon_Ramsay said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1502056#Comment_1502056
If you think "press E to win after making a mistake" is fine I dunno what to tell you.
Yep. Basically a third health state.
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@Aneurysm said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1506363#Comment_1506363
I mean I did ask about the stream, they weren't just randomly promoting it.
Why would you ask out of blue?
They did mention it.
I am done with this thread though, message me if you want something.
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@Aneurysm said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1506321#Comment_1506321
Running agitation today? You seem a bit hostile...
That's because him and his two friends that give him free advertisement keep annoying and harassing me, and insulting me in my topics lol.
They did the same for a guy who just posted a meme, that was a joke topic. This one ain't.
Edit: but I am done with these guys lol.
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@GoodBoyKaru said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1506321#Comment_1506321
So watch more VODs. I get crushed some games, some are close, and I crush others.
Me going against potatoes, I stream when I play. I don't play off stream at the moment. So that's exactly the types of a games I get and I can't edit out the bad ones. That's the joy of it being live.
I play when most SWFs are online. I play on PC. I play EU. These are often the sweatiest matches.
I'm sorry I can win with a single perk. That's still not what the thread is about though.
I have seen enough of crappy stream to know the kind of potatoes you go against, lol. 3-4 killer games.
This is what the whole topic is about, a bragging... I can make 10 screen shots of winning perkless addon-less as a Nurse too, proves absolutely nothing.
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@MusicNerd_TC said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1506321#Comment_1506321
What are you talking about? His streams are 3 hours long, and he plays on EU servers, which are known as sweatiest.
EU is by far not the sweatiest. I played US, Asia, and EU so I know what I am talking about. EU is stress relief compared to Asians.
3 hours and half of it is another game, for reference here (freddie game 01:48:30): https://www.twitch.tv/videos/696589070
Get an idea of the kind of potatoes he goes against, let him live stream more than 10 games at least.
I am not sure why I am giving him a free advertisement though.
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@MusicNerd_TC said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1506175#Comment_1506175
It's KareBoyKaru, his streams are amazing :), you'll see me and RespectfulNancyMain there a lot https://www.twitch.tv/kareboykaru
His stream is just 3-4 killer games going against potatoes mostly. Must be his region, platform or most likely the time he plays the game at.
3 minutes into the game and they do no generator in one game I saw..
In any case pretty boring stream in my personal opinion.
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@KakisKakis said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1505664#Comment_1505664
The stats they said were wrong?
These are the real stats:
https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/ZLT38NIERQN4/image.png
And im sure you're one of those that says "DonT USe KiLl RaTE StAtS" Yet you're using swf stats from 1/2 years ago, lol.
Anyone who plays DbD more than a week knows this chart is BS.
I mean if not, then let killers opt out? Not big of a deal, right? Right?
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@BaldursGate2 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1505633#Comment_1505633
50% of the playerbase plays SWF. It does not have to be a SWAT like, the comm bonus / information bonus you gain is just a huge advantage. And every players wants eZ mode. That's the reason, even 7k+ mmr dota 2 players or grandmaster overwatch players create smurfs to punish less experienced players.
This guy gets it.
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@JustNxck said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1505835#Comment_1505835
and which killer is gonna willingly opt in to make their life more miserable??
Basically making playing with friends impossible at mid to high ranks.
My point exactly. You guys really don't put much thought on to how your suggestions will affect the overall game all these bandaid suggestions will only hurt another part of the game.
So make killers' lives miserable for survivors to have fun? Aka the sole existence for DbD thus far, right? Why should I care as a killer again?
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@JustNxck said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1505809#Comment_1505809
so basically just make so dbd doesn't let you play with friends?
Just say that, cause killers will just always opt out... Killing matchmaking and further killing the game.
Killers can choose if they want or not want to play with SWF? It's simple as that.
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My opinion on SWF: Let killers opt out. Simple. Especially since crossplay is coming.
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@sulaiman said:
SWF doesnt have to be removed. It has to be seperated from solo queue, and both modes have to be balanced seperatly. If both are balanced, there is no need for killers to dodge swf, because the game would be balanced either way.
Exactly.
Or let killers simply opt out from SWF bullshit.
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@SpaceCoconut said:
If swf isn't common they can let killers opt out of playing against those teams and the population wont' be split lol
But... But... It will kill DbD!
But also: they are not common!
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Keys obviously.
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True and most killer players indeed play both sides.
I know of many survivors who never touch killer other than rituals though...
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@Nurgling7 said:
You know it's bad bait when the title and OP first statement hard contradict each other.
It's the two of the most common lines used by survivors... I wanted to show the irony and want a solution to SWF (and indicator, or a way to block them)...
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@DrDeepwound said:
Devs own stats showed SWF is 70% of all matches.
It's way more than that...
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@Crowman said:
At the risk of taking bait, I'm pretty confident that most games include some kind of swf group. I think pure 4 man solo games are far rarer than facing at least a duo.
No stats mean no care.
Literally survivors say those two lines very commonly, are they really that stupid that they make a bait topic?!
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@EmpireWinner said:
I believe the SWAT swf are the ones killers complain about and are what???
Present in 1 game out of 20??
Killers want ez mode
So now SWF are common, but "SWAT" SWF are not? And you give statistics out of playing survivor games I presume? Nice.
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So you tell me SWF is not common, but some people actually never solo queue? Hmm...!
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@clem1710 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1505598#Comment_1505598
Ok it's fine, it looks like you wanted to say "no pb, DS is fine because I won without perk against meta builds".
It's exactly this and a "humble brag". It's so obvious.
IT'S A JOKE!
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@GoodBoyKaru said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1505597#Comment_1505597
I've said that since the start every time I've used the word RELY on. If you don't RELY on it you're fine.
Please, sit down.
Dude, what you literally said was it's okay if Killer is end-game build only. You can backtrack it's okay you won't sound as dumb as when you do what you are doing right now.
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@GoodBoyKaru said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1505569#Comment_1505569
I'm saying it's okay for killers if they don't rely on it. I'm saying it's not okay for survivors if they do rely on it.
Learn to read.
You did not say that at all.
You said it's okay if he is end-game build, that is, using something like blood warden.
Learn to express your ideas better and to write.
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@Dr_doom_j2 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1502250#Comment_1502250
Curb your projection, I never said I needed or even used the perk. But I don't cry when people use tactics or perks in the game.
I don't tell survivors they're scrubs for using my DS + Unbreakable and I'm not moved by the new name "smoll pp" aka another tactic for shaming players for playing the game.
I don't cry if NoED exists or a killer has it and I've never shamed a killer for using it. If anything is "Smoll pp" again it is the idea that you, I or anyone else get to tell others the right way to play the game.
Also that point you're trying to make? Not a good point. People make it to rank 1 without any perks at all, so you're implication is that it's feasible to play the game at red ranks with no perks or add ons consistently, using wraith or PH (which I don't know WHO told you PH is a weak killer, but ok) I think pretty much everyone would disagree with you there.
Remember he is saying it's okay for survivors because they don't "rely" on said perks, but killer is bad for using NOED.
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@NekoGamerX said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1505475#Comment_1505475
so true people keep say there not many swf but they are are solo are i bet most are swf either 2man 3man.
Yep.
It's just another survivor nonsense that goes like this: "SWF is not common, but take out SWF and you kill the game!"
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Never seen him since.
Same for Nurse, and Spirits are rare too.
All good killers get nerfed to become "normalized" with other crap killers.
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@NekoGamerX said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1504837#Comment_1504837
DS and BT are abused together i down someone hook them chase someone else down them first one i hook follow me to hook does unhooking in my face with BT then they sure still have ds. what do i do?
Waaaay too often.
Not to mention End Game which is a different game altogether.
They are not anti camping/tunneling let's be clear, poor design and very abusive especially against SWF (which are 80%+ of what I go against, and 90%+ of at least duo/trio).
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@[Deleted User] said:
It's not so much that bad killers use NOED. It's that good killers realize NOED isn't a good perk. You don't see many good killers using NOED because it's a bad perk.
I agree totally. But still killers can use all perks, items, moris, camp, and tunnel if they want to. Survivors should not bully them.