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@jedimaster505 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4042053#Comment_4042053
lol I would never buy cheats that's lame. I just don't care to report them when they cheat against OP killers abusing the most low skill cheese tactics at their disposal.
Yes ghosface, which I have been playing all day, is defo an "OP killer" that derserves to get cheated on. You are so right /eyeroll… just leave the discussion mate, this sort of rhetoric is a stain on this community. If you keep this 'us vs them' thing going on my topic, I will block you.
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@jedimaster505 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4042047#Comment_4042047
that's what I meant but didn't feel like explaining it. killers are always complaining that there are way more survivors cheating. I don't see as many killer cheaters unless they're using wall hacks
This is not a side versus side thing. It is just a cheaters are rampant thing.
The fact is, at least in my experience, when a killer cheats, its blatantly obvious and in most cases just a bot (or a vpn abuser). The steam profile I was speaking about is actually just that, a killer bot that apparently is allowed to keep on botting by BHVR. I will however use that case as blatant evidence that cheaters aren't getting banned. Not even "quarterly in banwaves" as they like to claim.
When a survivor cheats, it is often a little bit harder to tell, so they gaslight the hell out of the killer. It is mentally exhausting. When I get a few sus matches in a row I often equip a build to track down cheaters, just for that purpose. Like a full aura build to see them speed up around corners, when they think I can't see them etc… Most ppl have no idea how rampant cheating is and obviously so much more on survivor side, cause there are 4x more ppl on that end.
Edit: Runningguy was ahead of me making that point. Its just statistically more probable to see a survivor cheating.
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@UnicornMedal said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4042023#Comment_4042023
I absolutely agree. My point is that there will be no resolution toward what we want, in my opinion.
Its a sunk cost fallacy for me I guess ;) I will keep hammering it until they do something, or until they ban me in an act of censorship. As a 2016 player I have an account worth so much cash, it rly saddens me to see DBD go to waste under these devs. I WANT the game to be better, it has so much potential, which makes it that much more frustrating to me.
PS: BUT I haven't spent a penny on DBD since the Chucky release. I was absolutely devastated after what they did to my lil guy :( He was the first one I truly grinded to P100… You never forget your first :(
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@UnicornMedal said:
We see BHVR struggle just to fix bugs. I don't think it's especially reasonable to expect them to also stay up to date with stonewalling hacks. Not saying that we shouldn't be in a position to expect that, it's that realistically they're in too deep to truly address it. All you can do is hope that EAC will catch everything, which years worth of experience show us that it won't.
If it were as simple as that, I wouldn't be complaing about it. I am actively monitoring a steam account that is still playing to this day, that I have reported multiple times since 300 days ago with blatant video evidence. Don't make up excuses for BHVR when they are obviously doing nothing to combat it, in any way. All my report would have taken is one mod to review that report and to ban that account. Sad fact is that it is more likely for me to get banned on this forum for calling out the problems.
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@jedimaster505 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4041971#Comment_4041971
Lol easy question. The stat tracker is broken because there's a bug that counts abandons as escapes meaning your stats are artificially inflated. Btw, cheating is related to balance, you can't separate the two.
As predicted, easy way out. Just assume everyone spams abandon every match lmao. "Nah way someone is better than me brah, just nah way!". The truth is even a 2016 veteran like me cant overperform on killer nearly as much as I do on survivor. The balance is pretty clear and it is no reason to start cheating. Not even if it were the other way around.
PS: The STEAM PROFILE I am tracking and have reported MULTIPLE times over the last year is STILL playing to this day. Gaining hours and achievements. This is not just a quarterly ban wave excuse, this dude that was reported with blatant video evidence is still playing and ruining matches. Steam profile alrdy has multiple bans on it, last one not even one year ago, how does BHVR want to explain that one? Are they just a customer like everyone else?
@BHVR if you are truly serious about cheaters, then message me privately so I can link you the necesary info, so we can get that steam profile banned. I have the video evidence saved on Youtube, I will never delete it as it is the only proof I have that BHVR does nothing against cheaters. I would actually appreciate some goodwill on that front…
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@jedimaster505 said:
This is what happens when one side is made so ridiculously OP. The losing side just says, "well, might as well cheat cause the devs won't give us a fair chance to win". In other words, the killer mains brought this upon themselves. All the survivors they tunnel out and abuse cheese tactics against…well now you end up in high MMR facing the best of the best and cheaters. This is called karma. And for the record, no I don't cheat, but if a Blight/Ghoul/<insert name of broken sweaty cheese tactic abusing killer here> gets cheated against I really do not care at this point and will not be reporting them since killer mains are already using political lobbying to skew the balance in their favor.
Dont litter my post with this nonsense. This post is about cheating, not balance.
But since you are so eager… If killer in general were OP at all, then why do I have 60+ escape rate as a solo… I wonder if I actually get many lobbies with cheaters in it to get to that stat… But I'm sure you'll just attempt to discredit by saying I spam abandon to get there.
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Today, I'm literally testing both cheaters and MMR at the same time on one of the lowest tier killers, Ghostface. I got a PWYF build that gets me to 130% speed. You would be surprised how many ppl go from subtle to blatant after they see me approach them THAT fast… their egos are so fragile, they rather risk the ban than just take a loss.
Many of them are even in a 4MAN SWF… like wth they even try to gaslight you "oh it was the expo boon" (shoutout to my last Russian 4man squad), while I'm not even pointing towards unbreakables specifically… They literally alrdy have their defense rdy in case of being called out. it's absolutely stupendous the rate of cheaters I get even on M1 ghostface.
@BHVR What are you doing… question mark? Edit: I so badly want to play this game at its max potential and even drop cash for it, but I just cant in this situation.
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@Dwight_Fairfield said:
Yeah I had one last night. A fellow team mate who trapped myself and another team mate inside lockers. The killer couldn't get us out. Then held us all hostage in end game. The killer couldn't even abandon. We had to close our games.
Only one? Lucky you… EU servers are a swamp right now. The only uplift is that I'm not getting any hostage situations (probably jinxed myself now).
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@Wezqu said:
Max is 20 meters nothing will help you getting longer throw. Still Rotten Fields is from the shack to the closest perimeter wall about 26 meters on the sides of the shack. So yes they should be able to get the throw about to the wall if throwing to the closer edge wall but the longer side is about 36 meters away so that side no they should not get it to the wall. Still as you say to the corners if its the corner that is closer to the center then yes but if its not then no.
So in short yes but also no depends where they were throwing and from where but as I stated the shack is about 20-26 meters from the perimeter walls in certain corner or edge so I would say they were not cheating as if they would be they would spam that alert more as at least older cheaters could spam it like all the time.
I actually checked the wiki for the distances, its more like 40 meters. Otherwise I would not have made a post about it. I'm pretty sure the perk was just equipped to mask that he was cheating. Entire match was sus as hell.
https://deadbydaylight.fandom.com/wiki/Rotten_Fields
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@FerrousFacade said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4040493#Comment_4040493
Lmao, as if you didn't think your final line wasn't some sort of hard hit. Good job ignoring everything else I said :)
The disease is that survivor isn't fun to play a lot of the time. I don't mind getting tunneled, I enjoy chase, but I don't want to be tunneled every match and I don't want every match to revolve around it. I don't DC in my matches but I can understand why someone might. Yes, those players should just stop playing but unless you start making the role fun, even when the survivors are losing, you will never get rid of the symptoms. The killer either gets the tunnel out early and wins the game on the spot or doesn't get it and most of the team just sits on gens.
Had either of PTBs gone live we would have seen adjustments, if for nothing else than to ensure the overall kill rates stays around the desired 60%. They weren't perfect but I am sick of the "we've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas" situation we are in. Killers claim the game is miserable for them as well, shouldn't we try something that could potentially alleviate issues on both sides? Despite people saying tunneling is required on killer x or y, anti-tunnel would have hurt the S-tier more than anyone else, these killers have a much easier time tunneling someone out. I have said it before and will again, if you get tunneled out by a trapper you have a skill issue, if a nurse or blight is having trouble getting a tunnel out, the killer has a skill issue. We would have seen gen times increased or some form of regression buff.
If you get tunneled "every match" that usually means you are a weak link and probably have much room to grow, therefor it isn't a killer problem. Not saying that to insult… but killers generally don't tunnel unless they see an easy opportunity or are low MMR not knowing any better.
But besides that I disagree, I love getting tunneled, it usually means the survivor team will win cause I am confident in holding a chase long enough for the exit gates to be opened ;). Why would you want to sit on a gen at any given time? its boring and uninteractive. The fact that there are ppl like me who can hold 5 gen chases is proof enough for me personally that DBD is fine and even survivor favored. Most ppl just don't like hearing this truth and will downvote instead of improving their plays/loops. It is what it is. -
@FerrousFacade said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4040484#Comment_4040484
Hens is a streamer first and a DBD player second, he has a financial incentive to do or say anything that he believes will get him more views. Claiming survivors have skill or mentality issues gets views so he does it. Why didn't he play killer in Korea? Because claiming killers have skill issues doesn't get views. Fifty matches is a tiny number of matches compared to the total number of matches played.
Your personal escape rate is meaningless, and if you abandoned any of those matches it inflates your personal escape rate. A survivor can simultaneously escape every match while the killer gets a 3k in every one. Meanwhile a killer that is maintaining a high kill rate cannot be losing the majority of their matches. Personal escape rates are a bad metric for measuring real match outcomes, but a high kill rate is indicative of a killer that is winning the majority of their matches.
My personal escape rate sits at 55% but I lost most of those matches. The survivor win rate (3+ out) was around 30%. Official stats released by BHVR say they don't include matches with DCs and those have escape rates across the board below 50%. If DCs inflate kill rates then the real kill rate including DCs is way higher than the official stats we sparingly get. I don't think those matches should be counted for balance but they are indicative of the real experience.
Start fixing the symptoms, then lets look at stats again. Shall we?
You don't treat symptoms, you treat the disease causing the symptoms.
Whoaw that last line rly hits hard… So you say non of these symptoms require treatment, its just "killer" that is the problem? Correct me if that is not what you meant. Cause I doubt that is what you meant. And if that IS what you meant, do you think punishing killers in the most egregious ways (like last 2 PTB's) will magically fix all the survivors behaviour? (as in DC's, AFK's and Match throwing)
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@cogsturning said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4040460#Comment_4040460
First off, if every match with a bot is a false match, everyone's KRs are false to some extent. I don't buy that, because a bot that I can't find and get rid of is a bigger threat than half this game's human players. They suck at chase but they're great at gens, unhooking, healing, and escaping. I'm also not using my stats to say I'm good (I'm not), I'm using them to show that I'm winning more than losing yet I don't have all these frustrated people DCing.
But I already said I rarely have anyone DCing so how am I manipulating? And even if that wasn't the case, manipulation implies intent. Survivor stats are far easier to manipulate than killer ones. If I were abandoning and getting a high ER for that, those would be false stats, but I don't abandon, so my surv stats are genuine. Nor do I often escape through hatch, so my MMR goes up and down appropriately.
I don't care what some streamer who represents almost no regular player did. I am actually playing this game in a normal, non-money-making way everyday and don't need them to tell me what to think. DCs are rare in my matches, and when they happen, it's almost never at the beginning. It's usually when the match is already 100% mine.
What do you mean, harder to manipulate killer stats? This screenshot is just from loggin in to get the bonechill event quests done, no tryhard, 3 hours timespan. To someone like you this means I'm a good player, right? Yet I know how these matches went and how ppl DC'd in them, Every… single… match.
Honestly I would love to hear theories as to why someone like me is getting so many DC's. Honest question, promiss. I would love to know the difference between you and I. I probably asked this before but I forgot, US or EU? I am EU (german server). My experience on EU servers is one out of 2 options:
- Super sweaty tryhard comp team or coordinated swf, match done in aprox 4 to 5 mins (usually lose for me)
- Someone DC early, most likely these are all solo Q (usually win for me)
There is no in between. Obviously all of my bonechill matches were of the 2nd kind. The default experience for me. Survivors can complain all they want, regardless of result I did not have fun either… Hence I don't play in a serious capacity anymore.
The problems arent the stats, which may be correct or incorrect due to many reasons. It is 100% survivors behaviour that affects match results.
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@FerrousFacade said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4040460#Comment_4040460
Hens "experiment" is proof of absolutely nothing (and did you watch the video? someone DCs in literally his second match). Its an incredibly small sample size and we don't know if these were played consecutively, or at different times, or on different days. A proper experiment would also release all footage, not the cherry picked portions he chose to show us.
Interesting that he chose to only play survivor where he doesn't actually get to see how the other survivors play much. Why not play killer where he can better gauge the skill level of every survivor in a match? Oh right, because he would stomp all over them and that wouldn't support the narrative he is clearly trying to push. It was just another video of a survivor going on long chases against opponents that they are better than and that don't drop chase, or put another way, he faced a bunch of unskilled killers.
People simultaneously claim that killers on the Asian servers tunnel less and that they tunnel more. No one has proof of anything, they just make claims with no evidence.
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4040473#Comment_4040473
Just because MMR treats it that way for survivors doesn't mean it makes sense. The vast majority of players consider a 0-1k as survivor win, 2k as a draw, and 3k+ an a killer win. The point is that a killer can get a 50% kill rate by getting as many 3 or 4k matches as they get 0 or 1k matches, 2k is not a common outcome in this game.
Ah yes… doesn't fit the narrative, so lets dismiss (one of) the most knowledgable member of the DBD community. Hens knows the game better than BHVR, so when he says balance is X and Y, I tend to believe X and Y. Not just because he says it, or I have over 5k hours myself, but because I thought about it rationally and logically as well in comparison to my own experience.
Here is my own experience as a 2016 player with a stupendous amount of hours:
Survivor: Escape rate on average, in solo Q, every 30d well over 50%.
Killer: High Kill rate… but … well over 50% of matches has someone DC early.
Conclusion: Kill rate inflated … Survival rate most likely more accurate.
Diagnosis: Stop DC'ing so the stats for both sides can become more accurate. Play the matches even if its Nurse/Blight.
Symptoms:
- People throw matches just to get their quests done.
- DC cause don't like killer
- DC cause went down first and fast due to mistake
- DC cause tunneled
- DC cause camped
Start fixing the symptoms, then lets look at stats again. Shall we?
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@I_CAME said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4040460#Comment_4040460
Just have 15k hours and be one of the best players in the world while also cherry picking which games to include in your stats. EZ git gud scrubs.
"Cherrypicking what to reply to and what to ignore, to feed the narrative… The Asian server experiment Hens did never happened!"
There was a blatantly obvious difference in their solo Q. It lead to much more enjoyable matches for everyone (lots of good plays), which indirectly lead to more escapes. All that just because ppl there played the game and had more of a team mentality, instead of "DC cause don't like killer" or "Dc cause went down to fast"…
On top of that analytic data, Killers also tunneled a lot more frequent on Asian server. Survivors still had more fun, better matches and more escapes… go figure. They must all have 15k hours, right? RIGHT?
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@cogsturning said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4040453#Comment_4040453
I've played plenty of soloq. I still do lots of duoing, so half my team is usually randoms. They don't DC that much. There are five people in a match. It might not be the killer's actions that make your teammates DC.
You don't care that much but you talk about DCs endlessly so you do care, or at least it's a talking point you enjoy using. When people DC in a match matters. If they're on death hook after being tunneled and they DC right when they're downed out of frustration, it doesn't really change the outcome, does it? But you can still use it as pure data to manipulate an argument.
My 30-day KR has been sitting at 70-85% for the last few months. If I'm winning most of my matches, often with 4 or 5 gens up, wouldn't those be logical matches to DC, if any? What are all these other killers doing that's causing this supposed epidemic that I don't see in either role?
Because you manipulate your stats to your argument just as much as you claim the other guy doing it. I'll use myself as example: I have 80% KR on my low tier killer main as well… doesn't mean I'm good at it, not even close. I know for a fact that my KR is inflated because the majority of matches someone DC in the first minute/first down, which then affects the match outcome cause bots are fast/easy to catch. But for some reason everyone including BHVR is looking at that stat as if it means something…
The fact that you don't have this happening could mean a multitude of things, which has alrdy been discussed in other topics. Why would runningguy or me be lying about this? What could possibly be the purpose? I literally don't even play the game right now due to that DC epidemic. It's not worth my time to Q up for.
The Asian server experiment Hens did recently is ultimate proof that solo Q survivor is fine in terms of balance. It is literally just a western mentality/entitlement issue that ruins the game for us. People just don't want to hear that hard truth and look at the evidence for themselfs.
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OP is a blatant troll (possibly even a bot?), using terms like "political agenda" on a game forum should be enough proof to that.
Either way, people like OP are why killer Q is instant these days. I guess all these killers left cause they are rly bored of the easy 4k matches they get! /s
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@[Deleted User] said:
The 4% is only on if there are 2 survivors left.
If there was no luck involved & more than 2 survivors they were cheating.
Upvote. I guess that answers it (2ppl were dead). It is so hard to keep up with all of these constant changes. I wish BHVR would just settle on something and stick with it. If BHVR still wonders why it can't retain new players, this is why. Even veterans like myself are confused and agitated at this point.
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@Wezqu said:
Maybe you should play some other game as you seem to be burnout of DBD.
You sound like one of those BHVR devs ;) "Maybe you should play civ!". Meanwhile completely ignoring the problem. People are here cause they see the potential and WANT to play DBD… but the devs keep going in directions that the players don't want. Maybe you should get on board with everyone else trying to improve the game. Just saying.
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@runningguy said:
ye its the decoys you want not regular ones. i found a snowpile, made snowman, abandoned the snowman to make a decoy then hit it with snowball. did it 3 times and it worked.
Yup thanks got it now.
But my point is how are ppl supposed to find out on their own? Guess I got unlucky not finding "decoys", cause some matches I literally made 10 circles around the map and snowballed every single one of them without progress. And there is also no visual difference between them, at least not that I could spot. BHVR laziness p me of so hard sometimes.
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Been saying this for years. Worst part is that a LOT of streamers are practically promoting it, and shamelessly at that. Many random content creators I watch have that little boxy packetloss icon alongside their lag icon. Now… I know for a fact that this comes from cheap/free vpn cause I have 'tested' this myself, just to see what its like from that end. They also act all stupid when you point it out… "Nah brah, just DBD server tings, git outa here brah!". Been playing since 2016 with thousands of hours, and I rarely if ever saw that icon for myself without abusing VPN.
Survivors do this too btw, but when they abuse connections its usually lagswitch instead, since that is more effective for their side.
Personally I just don't play against it. I'll go afk and make a cupa coffee. Cheaters can play against bots and Afk'ers. They obviously want an easy game after all. and BHVR doesnt care about it, so there is nothing else we can do.
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This is the result of BHVR balancing the game in such a way that only a handful of killers near the top can compete with the full broad spectrum the DBD community has to offer. People generally don't like losing because of things beyond their control. Therefor they choose to play something strong to begin with, so at least they are somewhat equipped to handle the next 'SWF team 6'.
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Personally I believe DS is a wasted perk slot. Cause if you are getting tunneled to the extent of needing DS, you should be focusing on trying to improve your looping, instead of asking on the forum why it isn't 'even more' powerful. I play exclusively solo and rarely if ever get tunneled. But then again, I also use that extra perk slot for a chase perk which makes me that much harder to catch, Just saying ;)
PS: Fun fact: DS is mostly used aggressively by swf, which is why its such a PITA and thus also why it can't be stronger.
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How much you wanna bet they still run genrush builds as a swf, to get 3-4man out under 4-5mins…
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I do say this with the outmost respect, but… You can't convince me BHVR is not trying to kill their own game at this point. The amount of fails and blatant disregards is absolutely astounding. At this point I think it would be in their own best interest to just admit they don't know how to deal with all of these things, instead of doing what they are doing now (faking doing something). The masses would appreciate honesty a lot more over blatant ignorance, I'm sure.
- A 2016 veteran
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@cogsturning said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4035984#Comment_4035984
I don't understand why I hear this so much. I can't speak about my survivor matches because I'm in parties, but my killer matches have almost no DCs (and I've been writing the details down.) Where are all these DCing people i never see?
If you're not playing anymore, are these your overall numbers?
Those were the last 30d stats I had saved, from September'ish this year.
I heard a streamer recently make the argument that its probably an MMR thing. As in higher MMR survivors are more likely to DC, cause they (as long time vets) can usually tell in the first minute how a match will go depending on a few factors. Since I have an embarassing amount of hours as a 2016 vet, I would like to believe I am in that category. But feel free to come up with other theories ;)
For me it will always be clear as day that killer stats are massively inflated due to all the gonexters. Hens Asian experiment kinda proves that. Since killers there tunnel a lot more (cause they know they have to), and yet survivors escape a lot more there. Asian Survivors play a lot better generally.
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@Pulsar said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4035995#Comment_4035995
Survivor is more difficult by design.
Maybe YOU have an easy time, but the broader picture suggests a very different story, even amongst good players.
I've spoken to many "good players" that have even higher survival rates than I do… Most survivors are at 40-45% cause they DC/gonext all the time, refusing to learn the loops. The fact that I cannot find a single match where not at least one survivor goes next is proof of that. The average survivor is bad cause they want to be bad. And secondly I cannot overperform on my killer stats, not anywhere near as much as I do in comparison to the average survivor stats.
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@Pulsar said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4035984#Comment_4035984
The important part of this is "since 2016"
We are not the average player.
The point you should take away from that comment is that I know the game inside out and as a 50/50 player I'm telling you survivor is the easy side. Unless you continuesly verse blights and nurses, which is rarely the case these days since everyone shifted towards ghoul.
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I think one of Hens' latest videos spells out the problem quiet well. He doesn't say it specifically out loud, but I think any intellectually honest person can take their conclusion from that vid. I'm talking about the vid of his Asian server experiment btw. To me that vid is just massive proof that western players (in this case survivors) are massively entitled. Instead of instantly going-next, play the game and notice how easy survivor has it. I personally quit playing for a multitude of reasons, but mostly because you literally cannot get a single match without at least one survivor going-next, and it has nothing to do with any specific playstyle from the killer.
… respectfully, just learn how to loop, so you don't get tunneled. Also, if you get tunneled that hard and frequently, maybe you should insert some chase and anti tunnel perks… just an idea. Sprint burst meta is meta for a reason, hint hint.
edit ps: 50/50 player since 2016 btw
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When it comes to devs the answer is 'non'. BHVR literally listens to nobody, even the ones with legit opinions and big viewer bases. Let the year 2025 be ultimate proof of that in a multitude of ways.
For players its probably Otz, probably by far too. cause he makes the most efforts towards tutorial like vids and perk/addon pages etc. As a 2016 veteran myself, I don't always agree with him, but I do always respect him. Unlike other big streamers wich shall not be named.
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@AcesSpeedo said:
well yes… when you eat every pallet as bubba instead of mind-gaming an unsafe pallet, youre likely gonna get ran for 5…
he also stupidly played m2 only bubba, if he used his m1 at a few points the chase would likely have ended a lot sooner.
Oh sweet summer child, hard to tell if you are being sarcastic, trolling or straight up honest here.
1st of all these are all uber safe pallets, you can't mindgame.
2nd he did try to mindgame one slightly less safe pallet… You can't mindgame these pallets against ppl who know how to run them.
3rd, pretty sure I don't see any opportunities for M1 anywhere, but its hard to tell due to sped up. Maybe shack… But an injured survivor would just play even more safe/boring. At least, that is exactly how I play against Bubba, as in force him to M1, then just pre drop everything.
Its like some ppl are playing a completely different game cause they are on a lower MMR. You casually saying this Bubba could have ended that chase faster when he obviously couldn't, practically calling him bad is insulting as hell. That person did not even go through half of the maps pallets and they had 3 gens done.
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@Leon_van_Straken said:
Do you guys remember when rage baiting wasn´t obvious?
Oh you mean the brand new account didn't give it away? :D
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In short: DBD doesn't respect your time.
Q 10mins as killer… Either you get an under 5mins genrush squad or you get ppl who instantly DC. DBD is simply not worth playing anymore.
So then you play some survivor instead, escape the majority of your matches until you hit that mark where you only see Blights and Ghouls. Game gets stale as hell.
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@Rokku_Rorru said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4027343#Comment_4027343
I don't think its complaining over nothing, there is a lot of crazy stuff in this game which wouldn't exist in any other Live Service multiplayer game that DBD enables. There is stuff on both sides that needs addressing, it just doesn't help when people ignore valid complaints with no logic or reason.
I think the game will continue to have players due to it being so unique, regardless of what happens, they'd have to literally make it unplayable for it to stop.The only reason DBD keeps a stream of new players is cause BHVR keeps ignoring all the issues and keep pumping out content, which looks interesting for ppl who are not in the know. The balance of this game is completely survivor sided, and more to come…
Its hilarious to me that suddenly EVERY SINGLE content creator goes public on their opinion, says out loud that its a survivor sided game :D lmao, youtube is flooded with these opinion vids now. Even Otz and hens are now heavily on that side.
But yeh, again, its new players that dont know all these issues that come in, play for a 100 hours and come to the same conclusion. Even I am passionate about dbd (read: addicted), unwilling to let go. At least in the sense that I am still on this forum trying to make the game better while I dont play.
I will especially not play now because of 2v8, but its funny at the same time that it lays bare all the issues that OP describes. All the good survivors stay in 1v4, making it blatantly obvious where the balance of the game lies. No matter how much ppl want it, you cant fix tunneling/slugging/camping without heavy repercussions on the other end. You literally cannot fix behaviour of players. You would need to massively motivate them to play in a different way.
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This is just a perfect showcase of how many casual survivors there are in this game, complaining over nothing, destroying the game in the process. Cause all those casuals now go to 2v8 to do their quests etc, and suddenly you are left with all the decent survivors in 1v4 (cause they know better). Go figure!
OPs description was alrdy the case for me for the last year, I quit playing survivor cause its boring/easy, and quit playing killer cause… do I even need to explain? Play ghoul, everbody DC's. Play trapper, get destroyed. imo DBD is at a pivotal point in its history. if BHVR doesn't correct course fast, I fear the worst.
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I asked myself the same question many times before. Either this forum is full of bots, or full of dot dot dots…. Im actually slightly more on downvotes right now, even tho literally everything I posted or commented was in an attempt to better the community. I'm a 2016 veteran, I'm passionate about the game, I want it to be fun again, simple as that.
This forum is just uber tribal and massively survivor sided. You could indeed tell them literal facts and make them go berserk on that downvote button. It's like they just want a peekaboo story out of this game, and escape at the end. Imagine any other game where the opponent is this much entitled, like "OMG you headshotted me, that is so unfair!!! stop playing efficiently!"
The difference I've noticed a lot is that killers just want a better, more balanced game, they never attack survivors, but the gameplay instead. Survivor players on the other end, are always attacking killers, wanting to punish them for their playstyle and behaviour. For some reason BHVR caters to the latter, resulting in the current situation/PTB. AFAIAC, this will kill the game slowly but surely. All we have to do is look at other games within the same genre that tried to do the same thing… just saying.
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@runningguy said:
funny thing is people are still DCing v ghoul lol. just had 2 matches in a row v ghoul and both matches every single survivor DC immediately. i wonder why….
This is what happens when BHVR handholds survivors as much as they do. "Oh I don't know how to play against this killer, I'll just Dc, no penalty anyway". Or one of the other million excuses they come up with. But mainly it's because BHVR has been catering towards that kind of behaviour.
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@oxygen said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4023231#Comment_4023231
The method you're likely talking about was fixed long ago. At least I assume it's the log file method, which stopped being feasible the moment BHVR encrypted the text file in question instead of letting people see killer cosmetic names as they loaded into the lobby.
Can people do it another way with more "hardcore" cheating methods today like actual cheat clients? Maybe, I don't know. But WAY less people will dare to do something that might actually get them banned than something that due to how it worked was unquestionably 100% consequence free.
They don't get banned tho , why do u think the game is swamped in cheaters these days. I'm monitoring a steam profile that keeps racking up hours in DBD (768h so far) and getting achievements. Even tho I send BHVR blatant video evidence of him speeding on killer, downing the whole lobby in 20secs. Reported em in May this year I believe. I keep that profile bookmarked to remind myself not to touch DBD anymore. I'm just here for the entertainment, and to see when BHVR puts on their big boy pants and actually makes the game better.
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@Atsuka_Anarchy said:
You think it's bad with survivors not liking their own lobbies, imagine being able to see who the killer is in lobbies. The lobbies would be deserted to dodge certain killers and the cosmetics worn.
Are people just not aware of this? MANY survivors do actually alrdy see who the killer is, and their build. That is why survivor lobby dodging is so prevelant. I don't remember how they do it, if it was a straight up cheat, trick or software. I didn't look more into it, cause I was so angry/disgusted by it. But this actually is a thing. I'm baffled that this is not more widely known at this point.
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@OmegaXII said:
I play in SEA region, and my ping is constantly around 100ms, but I'm very sure my ping can be 50-60ms, because it works in some matches.
DBD ways of managing servers are just bad that they'll send you to other servers for no reason. So before they fix it, abandon shouldn't be a thing.
I have no knowledge over other regions, was using my own, the EU as an example. EU server is swamped with these type of ppl, hence I'm here agitated replying to this post ;) Alrdy made my own posts about it in the past. BHVR will never react or do anything about it.
Just help your own mental health and quit the game too ;) That is the only way BHVR will change. When their bank account gets hit hard enough.
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Oh yeh absolutely, 800 ping is just blatant Asian VPN. Was just making my point that anything above 100 is alrdy highly sus in any case. You just know that player is not from your region (or manipulating it). Weird hits alrdy start happening at 80+, that is why you see so many killers deadcentered on 120 ping. It seems to be a sweet spot for ping manipulation (at least in DBD).
Edit: If the ping doesn't move up or down at all, or barely ever… it is usually a dead give away that the player is manipulating their ping with outside sources. Cheaters and VPN in DBD has sadly become mainstream these days.
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This is 'one of' the biggest reasons I quit. Majority of killers are on Asian VPN these days. Like if you are above 100 ping on the EU server, that is alrdy highly questionable. Cause in modern times latencies are never that high, not even on the cheapest connections. You will always have 20-80 ping within the EU. So either they are downloading something, or they are on VPN, there is no other reason for high latencies.
RUS/ME are a different story of course, cause they got no choice, but they will always be above the 80-100 mark sadly… They are sadly a big part of the DBD player population.
Also had South Africans unapologetically say "I just want to play DBD", so you can't even be mad at them, cause they too got no other choice. But the match is completely unplayable for everyone else… So what is the point of playing then? There is no way they don't notice that on their end.
I have been complaining many times over this alrdy in the past. BHVR don't care.
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@cogsturning said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4021036#Comment_4021036
That said, there are also plenty of sessions where I question reality. Lose one game, get a potato lobby and win hard > get another tryhard full meta lobby with 4x styptics and lose hard > … repeat. again for about 10 matches in a row.
This is how it often goes for me. I guess you could argue it's consistent in its inconsistency. That's not ideal though. I don't want 4k steamrolls at 5gens anymore than I wan't 0k beat downs. The goal should be somewhere in between those two, yet the 2ks and 3ks are my rarest matches.
My results have more to do with time of day and whether there's an event going on. Currently, if I hop on regular mode at 2pm, it'll likely be chill, but if I play Haunted at 4am it's a sweatfest regardless of the role I play. It's almost impossible for me to not get meta parties or sweaty killers during psycho hours.
See this is where the "time" argument falls apart for me. Cause I play consistently during the day. As in the time you say is "chill". And I get nothing but tryhard full meta styptic genrush squads. Not many pure solo lobbies. When I do, I will instantly notice, cause I will have exagerated my playstyle and 4 ppl will be on the ground somehow…
I remember my last lobby, when I quit, cause it is exactly that lobby that made me quit cause I see these types of lobbies all the time. It was a comp team I saw for the THIRD time that same day. All playing 100% efficient, obviously on discord, cause my stealth killer made them pre run before I got anywhere near (much fun). They don't even play by comp rules, even tho they claim to be "practicing". What is the point of these matches other than to just go afk in a corner, cause the outcome will be exactly the same. And no, its not about not wanting to lose, its about having the feeling that you have a chance, as in motivating me to play that match. I couldn't care less if my KR dropped to 40% or lower, I just want to have fun again.
The one thing we can agree upon is that we NEVER see a match in between. I would sign up for a permanent 2k right here and now if I could. Of course if that means im having fun… Obviously the MMR is so flawed that it is constantly trying to compensate a 3-4K with a 0-1k. just to keep the KR where it is supposed to be.
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Fun fact: There is no ME server. You connect to the EU server, to the detriment of the players of that region, cause y'all are lagging like crazy. So the problem is either with you, or your ISP..
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I completely agree with the intent of this post. But there is absolutely consitentcy. Wherever and however it is, there are evenings where I get 10 tryhard Blights/Nurses in a row. Full meta perks/addons and mori. So there must be something behind the curtains (code) that is consitent there. I just wish BHVR would show their code at this point, so we can see how it works.
Maybe it is just bad luck, but I am a 2016 veteran, I know the game inside out, so I always assume im towards the top percentage of players. (easy to dismiss I know)
That said, there are also plenty of sessions where I question reality. Lose one game, get a potato lobby and win hard > get another tryhard full meta lobby with 4x styptics and lose hard > … repeat. again for about 10 matches in a row.
For me its hard to judge the game and how it works. Ive been playing since beta and I still don't know. I think what we can say for sure is that it isnt making ppl 'want to play' the game.
So it is rly hard to tell how exactly the MMR affects us as players. Either way I quit the game, Im not having fun anymore, haven't for a loooooong time. and its not because I got bored of the game, cause Im still here on the forums browsing, checking the games updates and craving for more…
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All these 'killer gods' on the forum claiming easy wins, I wonder where they are when I play survivor ;) If you play anything below S/A Tier killer right now, it is an automatic free escape for me. Go figure. Anyone who can solve this mistery I will praise! I guess I must still be in low MMR as a 2016 player with over 5000 hours… hmm very strange.
Meanwhile when I play killer, I get exactly those types of survivors that I am myself (sweaty veterans who know the game inside out and abuse techs to create infinites). If I don't play something high tier, its an automatic loss. Not because of my lack of ability, but because survivors know how to waste time and finish gens in record times these days. 5 gens under 5 mins is not rare in my bracket (whatever it may be).
Check the stats on Nightlight. A big chunk of the killer roster is currently UNDER 50% kill rates. And I bet you the only reason the others are still above it is cause of the DC/Gonext pandemic.
But yeh, with all those facts… I guess you are all just waaaay above average killer gods ;D
Edit: In reality I bet most of you players just don't realize how sweaty it reaaaaally gets at the top.
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They are shorthanded probably. If I'm not mistaken they fired a bunch of ppl not to long ago… Its probably also the reason for all the other F'ups and fails in the last year.
I too am monitoring a Steam profile of a blatant hacker that just keeps racking up the hours and achievements, even tho I have reported the guy on a silver platter with blatant video evidence more than once. I just stopped playing DBD in any serious capacity, only logging in once in a while these days. Devs seem to have completely lost their way, its not worth my mental health.
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@cogsturning said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4019470#Comment_4019470
Top 1% hahaha omg never. I'm so outrageously average it's ridiculous. This is my monthly, it's where I'm currently at, but my overall is 65% cause I sucked for awhile. I've also given a lot of mercy and hatches, and am pretty memey and easy to tame. But I've lost some of my chill recently. Hopefully I'll regain it soon.
I've never really played as either of those two. These are my flavors of the month:
https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/35IIWLQXYCYZ/screenshot-20251025-105528.jpg
Funny enough, Dracula is probably the highest regarded yet he's my lower number. I don't really agree with these arbitrary tier lists, many of which come from streamers' opinons, but I don't think most people consider Dredge A-tier.
I'm not doing anything to affect my MMR intentionally. I have no reason to. I don't stream. The stats are for me and to occasionally make a point because it's kinda required. The MMR is garbage though. I get a ridiculously varied group of opponents. One match it's the psycho sweat team, the next it's a 200 hourer running straight into a dead zone without ever looking behind them.
I don't give this game a ton of money, so licensed killers that people complain about, like Pig, I don't even have unlocked. So I can't comment on them accept playing against them. But these so-called weak killers 4k against me all the time so it's pretty infuriating to hear them described as such all the time.
Do streamers have weight? Yes, very unfortunately so. They sadly have most of the weight, and most of the popular streamers lean killer. The selling point of this game is killer. This is what's affecting everything. And I don't think that's fixable. The balance of this game comes down to money.
It's been noticed that the stats for survivor count abandons as non-deaths, so personal survivor stats are kinda worthless if you use that feature. And most seem to. So I sadly can't trust anyone's survivor stats anymore. BHVR is giving us vanity stats.
Thanks for admitting in your own comment that those killers are at low MMR ;)
Just think rationally for one moment, Don't you think for yourself that you are an outlier right now when all major streamers with thousands of hours on one specific killer rly struggle right now, especially low tier killers. No bells ringing for you? no? :) If you really are that good, you are a top 1% player and just don't realize it… You are waaaaaay above the average. Even the top Nightlight killer stat is aprox 60%, just the same as BHVRs 'average' top killer stat is near 60%.
So again, I would like to believe im the rational analyst here ;) with thousands of hours in 50/50 play. When I get 66% escape rate, without much effort… but lower Kill rate on any killer below the top 10… (There are 40+ killers at this point)… don't u see the game is thus massively shifted in the survivors favor? Even as a solo player I see a majority of top 10 killers in my matches, and I still escape about half of those…
Anyways I don't know why I keep doing this to myself, going into this useless arguments. People will never analyze the situation rationally here.
I probably should'nt even mention the fact about the rampant cheaters right now which makes it nearly impossible to get that high in kill rate, at least not at top MMR by normal play :D But I'll make it a footnote anyway. Every 5 matches you get all gens popping in the first minute, obviously cheats of course. So personally, I am convinced your Dredge stat is massively manipulated one way or another, probably by lowering MMR hard. I did this MMR test myself not to long ago, so I know its possible to achieve such a Killrate by abnormal play. I also went on an abnormally long 4k streak, in a 30 day period, on a low tier killer after lowering MMR.
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@cogsturning said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/4017470#Comment_4017470
I'm only half serious about that. After the recent post asking if abandons count as deaths (and it appears they don’t) was ignored, I don't really trust survivor stats anymore.
But I think it's the whole thing. This person says they don't play much surv but calls it easy. "I quit" posts also aren't helpful, and what does not playing how you want even mean? What can't you do that you could before?
But hey, I can also drop this and say "KiLlEr iS eAsY mOdE"
https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/D6Y0B2I955AQ/screenshot-20251022-122709.jpg
Might want to add which killer that is, if you want some credibility to that screenshot ;) Anyone can do that on Nurse or Blight, you know… And if that percentage is from anything below what is considered A tier killer right now, you are a top 1% killer, beyond reasonable doubt. That or your MMR is bottomed, either by merrit or on purpose.
Anyway, How about Im a 2016 player with thousands upon thousands of hours… does that have any weight? I play 50/50 and When I say survivor is easy mode, does that not have any weight at all? Am I just some outlier to you or I don't fit your narrative? How about all those big name streamers that say the same thing? Do they have any weight in this convo?
The streamer I was watching nearly religiously stopped playing DBD completely recently. "It's just not worth the misery". I agree. Lately he only played to just antagonize killers, TBAG the hell out of them at every corner, just because he can (and hes frustrated by how much of a sweatfest killerside is). Half of the time the killer just DC"d, the other half he just escaped with a furious killer in chat. So hes sort of rebelling against BHVR's balance team, not to be mean, but to make a point.
PS EDIT: Person above me has even more escape rate… If I were playing in a SWF, I would probably get that high too. Survivor IS easy mode right now.
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LoL OP being downvoted for probably that one sentence, which i whole heartedly agree with. "Survivor feels like easy mode". Sorry dude this is a survivor sided forum.
@cogsturning said:
Show me your 80%+ ER as easy mode survivor.
It might not be 80% ER like you asked, but neither does the average killer get anywhere near that KR. Anyway, I think I am not the only one that can link a screenshot with such ridiculous survivor stats right now... The game in the current chapter is extremely surivor sided, unless you go up against S/A Tier killers. Literally every big streamer is saying that exact same thing… but y'all be contrary ;)