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@KateMain86 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3431142#Comment_3431142
Inclusion and representation is fine, but celebration of things like gender identity and sexuality seems out of place in a video game. When you go beyond diverse characters and start including the banner of real world movements then people will feel like activism is happening in their games like @Brandon48 mentioned. I understand you feel differently on this, that the cause is more important and deserves to be treated differently, but I don't think video games are the place for it. The communities that great video games build around them is worth celebrating, and that includes everyone.
but celebration of things like gender identity and sexuality seems out of place in a video game.
maybe for you but not for BHVR and not for me. You could always give your feedback and stop supporting BHVR if you are against it btw.
also i wouldn’t even call it celebration really, heterosexuality has been prominent in gaming from the very beginning way more.
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@KateMain86 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3430868#Comment_3430868
I was thinking of Overwatch when I mentioned the country and holiday flags. They do their own in game themed holiday events such as Winter Wonderland for Christmas. They even have in game voice lines for some characters that say "Merry Christmas." Junkrat comes to mind as one of them. I've played that game since it launched and never heard of anyone complaining about these things in the game. I can understand things like this being represented in games because they easily appeal to a lot of people and are a lot less personal and private to an individual than their sexuality. In fact they aren't even on the same spectrum.
As far as your last statement, I was referring to the idea of having a banner representing it which you don't see in media for everything outside of the lgbt spectrum. This is what I think @Brandon48 was referring to when he mentioned it and I agreed. Its one thing to be inclusive and another to give special treatment in the name of inclusivity. It seems counterproductive to the idea of inclusivity when a community based on gender identity and sexuality is set apart and celebrated in unique ways.
So it’s just a matter of how many people support it? Or how many people are openly complaining against it?
(also DbD does have Christmas themed stuff so it’s not that big of a deal anyway)
inclusion, representation, and even celebration are important for the LGBTQ+ community because of the harassment and exclusion they suffer from and have suffered for ages. This never happened for heterosexual people and let’s not pretend that heterosexuality hasn’t been celebrated or treated in unique ways in media since forever. The difference is that LGBTQ+ representation doesn’t directly exclude heterosexuality at all, so please don’t start to victimize here.
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@HugTechLover said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3430902#Comment_3430902
What “anti LGBT” laws in the US are you referring to? Lol
Lol? Are you for real?
i am not that much into any details at all, but are you seriously denying that there are laws against LGBTQ+ currently debated in the USA (drag ban, public bathroom usage for trans people, something about education where anything LGBTQ+ is forbidden while heterosexuality gets a pass, and so on)
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@Brandon48 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3430868#Comment_3430868
The LGB(etc) IS political and controversial, just because you might identify yourself as part of the group (or support it from the side) doesn’t make it any more acceptable than adding countries or religion if that’s the professional standard chosen for DBD.
It IS absolutely activism, whether that’s your personal reason for supporting the group/individuals or not.
If someone wanted to broadcast their heterosexuality in DBD how would they go about that. I could be wrong but as far as I’m aware, no definitive sexuality has been assigned to any other charm or character (other than David) and surprise surprise, it was due to sexual activism.
Just want to quickly note for the record because I understand this is a sensitive topic for some, I’m usually indifferent about all the LGB(etc) stuff and keep out of it, me bringing this up is purely regarding Behaviour and their controversial decisions to bring sexual activism into DBD. If they choose to include things like this, it’s natural that conversations regarding it is bound to happen.
the existence of LGBTQ+ people is absolutely not political at all. No matter how you wanna twist it.
@Brandon48 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3430933#Comment_3430933
Ironic that I would be labelled as someone projecting my ‘feels’ into the game considering what we’re talking about. Do you really think a High Priestess from BC times would be rocking an activist flag from 2023? It doesn’t make sense and therefore - un-immersive. It takes away the huge amount of work that’s been put into making her feel like she’s from another timeline. Horror is my priority.
So it is okay that said priestess has Christmas themed charms or a Gnome Chompski charm or a video tape and so on? You draw the line at these flags?
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@Brandon48 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3430859#Comment_3430859
That’s very nice of you but my argument is that sexual activism flags are un-immersive for many reasons in dbd. I know a lot of people mean good but I believe there are more consequences to these decisions than what’s been discussed.
Also isn’t Behaviour a Canadian company? Hasn’t same sex marriage been legal these for ages now? So where’s the unequal rights?
Charms are very small and are placed in a way were they don’t really break immersion that much. There is also plenty of other charms and even skins/cosmetics that might be considered ‚un-immersive‘ by others. I don’t mean to tell you to feel different about these flags - but maybe look at it from another pov and see how this isn’t an argument against them.
as to unequal rights - DbD isn’t only played in Canada and equal rights do not start or end with just marriage. Just look at whatever is happening currently in the USA in terms of anti-LGBT laws…
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@Ayodam said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3430697#Comment_3430697
Isn’t that only because she has a lullaby (she shouldn’t)?
Yes that’s exactly why, and plenty of people fail to realize it and use this as an excuse to complain about an accessibility feature.
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@Ayodam said:
Killer mains dislike Garden of Joy and Gideon way more.
To be fair, all three of these are heavily survivor sided and could use some rebalancing.
for Borgo, the colors def need to be toned down. I don’t get why map reworks took out the colored hues and then this gets introduced?
also, for accessibility scratch mark- and aura colors should probably be adjustable anyway which would already make this map a little bit more bearable.
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@[Deleted User] said:
What do the colors represent?
@i_dont_care223 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3430546#Comment_3430546
This flag is specifically for Gay Men
Usually each color does stand for something specific though in this case it ‚just‘ originates from blue being stereotypically associated with men though it was changed/expanded to include a wider spectrum of hues to not support stereotypes or two genders I guess?
source with plenty of flags and direct color meanings for some (not sure how accurate this is, just Google result):
https://queerintheworld.com/different-lgbtq-flags-and-meaning/
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@KateMain86 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3430678#Comment_3430678
Who knows why. I don't understand it myself. I understand the idea of charms and nameplates centered around things like countries, holidays and things within the game that many games have done but a charm based on something that is so personal to an individual is something I'll never understand why people feel the need or want to do.
Country flags may very well lead to political topics and controversies (see Russia or China and Taiwan) and holidays are often tied to religious beliefs which are chosen and therefor very much very personal for some.
how can you understand including these but somehow sexuality/sexual identity (which isn’t sexual activism) isn’t understandable?
also, heterosexuality as well as cis gender identity doesn’t seem like something people think about as personal when you look at any kind and form of media?
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@tippy2k2 said:
As a character, I would love The Creeper to join DBD
But as has been stated in this thread, the creator/director guy is kind of...disgusting and so there'd be no chance for it to happen.
Which is a shame cause I think The Creeper is an interesting character that you could do a lot with but I 100% understand and am fine with BHVRs reasoning for why it won't happen.
This.
though iirc that thing has sold the rights and wouldn’t directly profit from it anymore? (Wasn’t there even talk about some remake movies or something?)
also, BHVR have changed their mind on previously stated ‚never‘-s multiple times now, so can’t be sure about this one either..
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@SixShotOcelot said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3430666#Comment_3430666
Is this confirmed or speculation?
If it's confirmed, could you please provide the source?
It was not officially confirmed this way!
though it is a very likely to be true guess 😉 sources that would proof this would fall under leaked stuff and is not allowed on these forums and anyway not official sources..
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@Mandy said:
Countdown starts at 1pm, with the broadcast starting at 1.30...but I advise being there by 1pm cos theres good stuffs within the countdown period.
Actually that sounds pretty good!
i remember that there were announcements before were only the countdown started at the announced time? That was kinda frustrating.
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@Mandy said:
Charms are not available yet...these are going to be implemented during the Anniversary and Pride Celebrations
Might be time to get a search bar for stuff like this 😇 (and not only by name but also categories/common features?)
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© 2015-2023 and BEHAVIOUR, DEAD BY DAYLIGHT and other related trademarks and logos belong to Behaviour Interactive Inc. All rights reserved
Sorry not speaking French myself, but maybe you will get an answer here
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Yes I think it should hide your aura anyway (even though the perks description seems to indicate it only works when the killer is attempting to read your aura, i think that is just a little bit weirdly described)
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@That_One_Friend said:
There's new pride charms besides the 2 flags we have and the parrot? Where can I find the codes?
They will most likely get revealed during pride month?
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I am completely against adding real world celebrities like that.
just add the actual characters with the actors likeness as before.
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@Brandon48 said:
Genuine question. Why do you feel the need to broadcast your sexuality to everyone and anyone in a video game? Especially considering I’m sure lots of kids play this game as well.
Uhm. We are talking about a game specifically not meant for kids?
also, just the existence of sexuality / sexual identity is in no way harmful for kids anyway. We are not talking about explicit sexual content here at all.
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@sasnayahdrezka said:
what shadow drop? stuff got leaked by mistake
Shadow drop of anniversary stream announcement, just one/two days before the stream actually happening.
usually company’s announce stuff like way ahead to hype stuff up and so the community including content creators can prepare etc
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Taking a wild guess, but probably because of leakers which are harming BHVR by revealing stuff already?
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Apparently they already have more to come:
https://twitter.com/deadbydaylight/status/1659229855190319105?s=46&t=JgBYqyq8ZKZO5Kp0mOVlLw -
Contact support, provide evidence that your Steam is actually connected (eg if possible a clip of you showing Steam is online and then starting DbD with this error message):
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Might just be a bug that plenty of people are not affected by bc they already had the achievement unlocked
report here:
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Unfortunately this popup only applies to your character, and not your teammates.
well let’s hope it’s in preparation for this!
which would later on result in perk changes that are significantly making others dodge lobby (eg No Mither, Technician)
@ReverseVelocity said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3430092#Comment_3430092
Weird, I'm pretty sure we're both on PC too.
Also that username bestie c'mon
Yes that username. Lol
(if you know you know)
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@Nazzzak said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3429661#Comment_3429661
They changed their mind?
Well let’s hope they didn’t and it’s actually some character from an actual horror movie/medium that is portrayed by Nicolas Cage.
no shade or anything but just adding random famous person is just something they shouldn’t do. Separate the art from the artist - if they later turn out to be some kind of horrible person (which I don’t imply for this specific person but who knows) then there will be some trouble.
also the argument of ‚now that they added this they might as well add that‚ actually makes sense and can be applied to whatever. And it would not be because of Trickster or Skull Merchant (which are both originally created horror characters just like Trapper or Dwight) - but because an actual real person being added that doesn’t originate from something horror.
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@UnluckyDucky said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3429492#Comment_3429492
youre too kind, but i think i got my work cut out for me, some of the people are REALLY creative with their skin designs! i still love that david nutcracker skin--i could never have thought of that! im excited to see what comes out, maybe someone will make an even better jeff skin! do they ever let the community vote?
No, they don’t let the community vote, as some concepts they can not or don’t want to implement (eg the Claudette skin that won few years ago even got changed to fit the character better)
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I think it’s more likely that this is going to be a survivor only content update, so not a full chapter.
so yeah, hopefully it will be the character from the movie!
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@Smoe said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3429756#Comment_3429756
I think you assume too much at this point, let's wait with judging it until more info is given.
Have you seen the teaser?
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@Smoe said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3429661#Comment_3429661
I'd agree with your sentiment if it was just Nicolas Cage himself being the character.
However this is most likely gonna be no different from Ash, basically It's just gonna be a character with the likeness of Nic Cage, to which i think is fine.
I would be fine with that but I think that’s not the case at all.
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@Reinami said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3429662#Comment_3429662
Who said he's going to be a survivor?
Ugh don’t give me hope for him just being an NPC for the archives or something. Hopefully they will stay true to their statement in this regard and don’t add random famous person as a survivor.
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@TheReaperOfSouls said:
For myself - while I applaud the intention to get some mainstream eyeballs and I love Nicholas Cage - I’d prefer to see him portray an NPC and for them to use him as a vehicle to tidy up their messy lore. He could be great doing all the archive narrations going forward and becoming a figurehead for the game in marketing material, but I can’t say I’m especially excited for hooking him personally!
I would be more okay with that for sure - at least I could just ignore that aspect completely.
@BlackRabies said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3429661#Comment_3429661
think that rule only applies to killers. Having killers based on real people and/or events will likely cause huge problems for BHVR legally and morally stain them in a really bad way. Survivors based on real people though is a different matter, I haven't heard anything and it would be more acceptable than killers based off real people.
They definitely stated it applies to survivors as well - hopefully there will be some clarification
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@Phasmamain said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3429669#Comment_3429669
They also said no clowns or killers who spoke on previous streams. Suppose they went back on it I guess?
Oh well. Yeah. There was that as well.
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@OrangeBear said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3429661#Comment_3429661
when did they say that?
i know blizzard adopted the policy but i don't remember it happening with dbd
Multiple times, mostly in relation to killers as to not glorify those - even something like Jack the Ripper. But I also remember statements from BHVR in regards to requests for famous people as survivors.
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Please tell me it’s a joke?
whatever happened to ‚no real people‘?
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Sadly, reporting is already way too tedious and i fear moderation on this wouldn’t work fine at all (also might be easy to create fake voice overs?)
though, if they add VC I think it should be completely optional and not used for balance decisions, so am not entirely against the idea like this
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hey, please don’t underestimate yourself like that, your art is great and definitely not a reason for you not to win!!
though BHVR stated the contest submissions don’t need to be artistic masterpieces and encourage everyone to participate, you don’t have to worry about that either way ☺️
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I immediately thought about he Little Nightmares logo
Though yeah it probably just means ‚keep an eye out‘
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@Chordyceps said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3429130#Comment_3429130
Ok, I think i figured it out, and hopefully you can see why I was a little confused.
Back in 2019, the DBD discord hosted a community even for coming up with a killer/survivor for DBD. Thing is, I think this was back before the server was officially partnered with BHVR or something.
So it was a contest hosted by the official (or maybe not official yet at that point) DBD discord, but not by DBD itself. Which explains why I cannot find any evidence of it at all on DBD's social media. I messaged a crew member about it that I had messaged back when it was happening and I can show pictures of the winners if they're able to track down the old winner.
So I wasn't entirely correct, but it wasn't a fever dream either.
Just to be clear, I didn’t want to attack you or say you made it up - i figured it was something like that
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IMO, no, her manifesting/demanifesting is fast enough.
though I would decrease the lullaby radius
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@Chordyceps said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3429108#Comment_3429108
I know a fan made chapter has never been put into DBD, but I swear I have distinct memories of participating in a killer creation competition. It was back in 2017/2018, my first year of college, I submitted a killer called The Bound to it. For the life of me I can't find anything talking about it online, but I remember winners being announced. The winner was a killer that could place talismans around the map and affect survivor movement.
Sounds like a fever dream?
lol, no but maybe there was something going on that wasn’t official? Like, the contest obviously wasn’t supposed to be something that would find it’s way into the actual game?
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@Chordyceps said:
Ooh the cosmetic contest's back? Looks like it's once again that time of year where I hope I magically develop drawing abilities despite having not drawn anything all year.
And also the time of year I get sad they didn't bring back the fanmade chapter contest 😞
didn’t bring back the fanmade chapter contest
that.. hasn’t been a thing ever though has it?
i mean.. I asked for this in a Q&A and the answer was that they aren’t gonna make this..
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@Marc_go_solo said:
I'm gonna make a wild(ish) guess and say it will happen next week. I would have thought they would advertise their livestream a few days in advance. We'll see tomorrow, or maybe it won't be held until Wednesday, but I'm thinking they'd need a build-up of sorts.
I can't remember what it was like last year though.
They would need to make some kind of announcement at least a week prior to the stream surely…? Like.. it’s their big live stream, anniversary, etc, they wouldn’t just drop it like that?
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Well, they announced the community cosmetic contest which should indicate that the anniversary stream is soon(tm)? (Though not sure in which temporal relation those were the years before)
otherwise I also do hope they address previous promises and announcements that have not seen the light of day yet (Twins rework, advanced graphic settings ingame as Antialiasing setting was directly confirmed by a dev, console optimization, Nintendo Switch cross progression, etc) - just need updates on all of these and why they take so long.
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Elodie and Plague were the other ones I think
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@09SHARKBOSS said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3413090#Comment_3413090
not pennywise we already have the clown
I really thought this community would be past these kind of comparisons. 💀
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We already have the ability to see in-game who is on a gen and how long etc.
just a counter in endgame tally screen would only promote toxicity, and in many cases completely unwarranted as it would just be out of context. People might not do gens when they are focused by the killer, prioritize unhooking/healing or even destroying hex totems (eg Pentimento) to indirectly boost repair speeds.
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@MiniPisa said:
Is it confirmed we can share our designs and they still be eligable for winning? I've just submitted mine
can you confirm this?
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@MiniPisa said:
Is it confirmed we can share our designs and they still be eligable for winning? I've just submitted mine
I am pretty sure yeah. As long as you are still able to proof that you were the artist yourself (eg with WIP etc)
though maybe/hopefully a mod can confirm this..
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@Nirgendwohin said:
can the players vote on this?
Nope, BHVR decides so that only designs win that they are actually able to implement.
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@a105 said:
basically i went and searched a locker and got saved like how it was back in the days before it was patched. was on dead dog and it was the locker closest to the door
But when you searched the locker, was the survivor in the process of exiting/entering it or were they hiding without exit/enter action?
if the surv quick exited the locker right before you clicked search then it would count as a grab and then a flashlight save is possible iirc