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don’t you pay attention to the threads/ dev announcements?
Bubba and Hillbilly will get reworks for their powers and addons.
also server sided hit detection will be tested in the PTB
no map reworks were mentioned and I guess they won’t do those now with the big graphic update coming this year.
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@Speshul_Kitten said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1414499#Comment_1414499
If you want to see how clean it actually looks in motion, here’s the video.
https://twitter.com/The_Farmer_John/status/1279570034738769925/video/1
It actually looks good so I’m not sure what the excuse is again.
didnt look at it but I guess the rest of the outfit would be a problem? They probably can’t make the head a separate normal piece of cosmetic but have the rest required to only be compatible with one specific head if it’s not part of the outfit.
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Clipping and creativity. Clipping probably while in motion not while looking at it standing still. Doesn’t that outfit also have a hoodie?
also that’s not a legendary cosmetic but a cosmetic set.
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@coppersly said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1402608#Comment_1402608
It's certainly more valid if you're highly skilled (which these killers I'm getting obviously aren't...)
Yes don't get caught would be nice. But eventually most of us get caught at some point. I just dislike that they choose to camp and tunnel after the first time.
There is a difference between more valid and only value though.. and the loudest complaints are kinda coming from not so skilled killers who are also saying survs shouldn’t complain about anything (not saying there are no valid complaints of course)
to get on topic: tunneling and camping is actually the most ez way to play, you either get survs trying to help and pretty much throwing themselves at you or they genrush which means everybody has a boring match and probably depips. There should be more incentive to go for other survs after hooking one
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„Don’t get caught“ would be the common answer here I guess...
sorry to hear that, but apparently your opinion about this game is only valid if you are high skilled. Or a killer.
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Didn’t they give out every code exclusive skin to everyone some time ago, including that golden Feng Outfit? I guess that mask was also part of it.
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It would get pretty boring and stale without any perks. They would at least have to rework survivors so they have individual traits, but then you will only see a few survs with the more competitive traits..
also with these lag hits and hit boxes you can’t really say this game should be about perfect timing etc. This game is way more casual than this, and the main problem is people are way too much on the competitive side and wanting to make the other side feel miserable..
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Sure, ‚serious‘ question where is answer is easy to conclude yourself and was stated in multiple threads that complained about this already..
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@Mozzie said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1391572#Comment_1391572
I really want to just let this go but you keep putting words into my mouth. I've never said I don't' want to see LGBT in videogames. So you keep arming your arguments around ######### that isn't being said. What I DID say is that in this game it's not needed and by doing so is merely pandering. I also don't want to see an over-representation of a small group of individuals who have a very large mouth in everything pop culture. And I have google'd the statistics, again...you are only concerning yourself with western countries.
Clearly you are simply going to live within this bubble with no common ground to be had to best of luck to you.
I didn’t start the statistics thing, that was never a good argument for or against inclusion. And of course western countries have more reliable statistics for this, but even here you can see big differences..
Including some LGBT chars is not overrepresentation, or would adding 2 or more red haired chars be overrepresentation as well? Actually a good reason to add LGBT chars is individuality of those chars and their backgrounds and not have every char just be the most average human being possible.
Also it is ‚needed‘ in this game because the lore is something that the devs clearly want to put more focus on, basing this on the fact that background stories are getting longer and more detailed and also looking at the tomes. It is just natural that going on with this, they will mention (romantic) relationships and they already have, why should they limit themselves here to only heterosexual relationships?
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@HarleyQuinn said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1400539#Comment_1400539
He found out a while ago though & asked them to make the character look like him. Regardless, I know there’s licensing issues. I was just curious if there was any progress or not with it. But yeah, I’m glad they’re going for the real looks too. Steve looks real legit.
Yeah I know.
and as long as there is no information at all about Quentins reworn itt means they can’t talk about it because they are still negotiating about it. At least that’s what I hope..
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@Valor188917 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1400524#Comment_1400524
The fact that the game is still survivor sided after a ######### ton of nerfs is VERY telling, survivorloops got nerfed and made unsafe? Survivors just resort to the press W to win tactic now against m1 killers.
its definitely not survivor sided when you look on the casual side, you can’t just nerf survivors to the ground because high skilled players are OP.
there certainly is a need for more balancing works, but on both sides. Seeing that both sides actually get nerfed and buffed just shows that the devs care more about balance than people give them credit for.
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@Buttercake said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1400539#Comment_1400539
I don't like old man Ash. I wish they had the Ash from the original movie. But thats neither here nor there.
I guess they used the current appearance of the actor then? Plus he did voice acting for this game. Idk, I am not familiar with that license at all
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@Buttercake said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1400518#Comment_1400518
But. I can see similarities enough to know it is them. I didn't know they didn't pay the actors. That sucks.
They are specially designed to look like the chars but not the actors. I think in Lauries case she is based on the Laurie from the Halloween comics.
the actor of Quentin didn’t even know the char was in this game.
at least now they are going for the ‚real‘ looks (Stranger Things, Ash vs Evil dead)
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So what exactly would be needed to call something an event?
the offering was not on purpose bugged, and they are working on a fix and even prolonged the event because of it.
then you have your crowns, which gives every character something (except for licensed ones) so if you only play one and don’t care for others you might get something worthwhile out of the event for that char.
also there are some cosmetics as daily login bonus.
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No, you can’t just tell what got (rightfully) nerfed on the survivor side! That could let some people see that the devs are not totally survivor sided.. plz delete this thread.
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@Buttercake said:
They reworked Bill. I don't see why they can't rework Quentin. The actor gave permission. Doesn't the actor own his own appearance? Why do they need to get anyone else's approval?
The character Quentin Smith belongs to the owner of the NoES franchise, and the appearance as of now is not even based on the actor at all.
same way with Laurie and Tapp, this way it is easier because they only have to get the rights to use the character and only have to pay the license holder and not the actor/don’t even have to ask the actor.
i think they changed this approach with the Stranger Things chapter.
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@EpicBigBrain said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1397054#Comment_1397054
I would happily take springtrap over pinhead, jeepers creepers and candyman
I don’t know any of those except Jeepers, and we all know this one is out of question.
springtrap is just not that iconic and definitely not as highly demanded as those I mentioned by the whole community. Somehow springtrap is so high demanded that I might have to actually look up what it is 😅
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More killers at once are not really likely. Survivors are „only“ skins and they needed to make more perks.
Designing a killer with a new power and all the interactions and interferences with Perks is way more work compared to survivors. But they could of course make multiple chapters based on Stephen Kings works.
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I honestly haven’t seen Springtrap mentioned that often but somehow he/she/it comes up now in multiple threads...
i guess the devs have seen the demands
the killers that do actually „always come back“ are Jason, Chucky, Pinhead, and to lesser degree Jeepers Creepers and Candyman..
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@Mikeasaurus said:
Nurse's and 4 Escape hatch. Both will never happen for me. Nurse because I am god awful, and dedicated servers just break grabs for me. The hatch because even when we have a chance, at least 1 person just runs out the exit gate.
You just need to find a group that is willing to do the 4 man escape with you, I got it with some survs I met in matches without using any voice comms.
(well I didn’t get it then because it was bugged but we did it 2 times nonetheless. Got it later due to a bug where 3 escaped through hatch and I was killed...)
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I hate that Huntress achievement where you have to down survivors while hitting from a huge distance. Playing with controller on pc this will be the reason why I won’t get all achievements unlocked (well this and both Nurse achievements)
every other achievement I got or will probably get without major problems; don’t really have a favorite though
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Adept achievements are harder for killers because of changed emblem system and they can’t adapt the achievements accordingly; it was never designed this way to be harder compared to survivors and frankly in an asymmetrical game, you shouldn’t expext the exact same treatment...
just looking at the crowns, it seems like you wanted to see how killers have it harder while they have it much much easier.. maybe try to not see everything in a „us vs them“ mentality. Many people do play both sides or at least can see both sides Perks and problems..
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Don’t expect or hope to see Jeepers Creepers. Ever.
I hope to see an Alien chapter, but I don’t see it coming just as a random chapter. Maybe next anniversary though!
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Yeah, had the same happen with 2 killers, devs have acknowledged the bug and are investigating
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@Zeon_99 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1394373#Comment_1394373
This game isnt dying anytime soon. This game was supposed to "die" multiple times by now.
Yeah. I know it’s not dying. That was a joke based on a thread made a short while ago where OP was seriously saying game will be dead in December.
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Well, game will be dead by December and there won’t be any players left..
but queue times are more dependent on enough players in your area/on your server, and while matchmaking doesn’t really work, there is still an algorithm that tries to find a fair match (but fails in the end), also relevant is the amount of players per role.
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Wait, what’s the point? You are a killer complaining about survivors complaining while both sides complain nonstop about everything?
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I have every survivor, and I am missing only Oni and Deathslinger. I will get them once I have enough Iridescent Shards.
I only got Clown and Plague during this event with my iri shards to get their crowns, didn’t play them or PH yet.. they are somewhat hard to control with a controller...
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I noticed some games with no obsession and therefore no DS (guess what? Yeah directly tunneling from hook was in every of those matches) but I honestly didn’t think about PH..
if it is the sole reason, the usage will come back to normal. There are not that many PH players and if it is a match against him, it’s rare that tormented comes into effect...
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@Mozzie said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1388400#Comment_1388400
You're going with your feelings about the statistics. If you have evidence to the contrary please provide it. It''s natural for USA to have one of the highest % because we have the most individual freedoms across all countries. There isn't a single study (that I'm aware of) that does a global look across all countries, however you can parse the data from each individual country. I don't really want to argue with you. I'm just saying you don't need to have gay characters in every videogame, movie, tv show etc. It's getting ridiculous. If you disagree then we'll be butting heads endlessly. All I can say is I'm familiar with these developers more than most and if they can't implement a single patch without major issues nobody should be confident in their abilities to take on social dialogue.
just google statistics for Europe. There are 6 % in Europe, while there are differences in the individual countries, with the highest being Germany with 7 %.
but this doesn’t matter, the point is there is no reason to exclude LGBT from Videogames. It shouldn’t hurt or affect you that chars are LGBT, it isn’t shoved down any throats if there is just a mention of it in the lore in DbD. There are of course other games where the inclusion might be wrongly executed, but this is solely about DbD and you don’t know how they will handle it. I am not asking for it, never have, but I think it’s not the false thing to do.
also the chars don’t really represent the world population at all, the Entity cherry picks and is looking for people with strong emotions, will to live, hope, having gone through struggle and coming out of it bigger. I would argue there are many LGBT+ people that would fit this.
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Ok. But no one forces you to like it or buy it.
sorry to say this, but all the skins are here to make money. Even the game itself was kind of created to get money. Those legendary skins are totally optional and while you might not like them or find them overpriced, there are still people out there that are happy they can play as Lisa Garland. They might even like her default not mixable look. Plus there are also licensing issues.
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They could also bring in some Legendary Skins with it, so it is a good possibility to bring content without having to add a complete new surv.
it would be the first time they add content from a license where they already had something included, so predictions and speculations would become even wilder and more interesting, so I hope they will do!
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Ok.
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@EverflowingRiver said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1389481#Comment_1389481
You clearly have not read any of my prior posts in the subject. I clearly state my issue is then tweeting about it, which is seen by many as pandering.
And how about just adding in the lore instead of tweeting. You said it's an apology but there was nothing to apologize for. It sounds like you wanted an apology for them not filling some quota that parts of society think should be filled. It seems obvious that the tweet, during pride month mind you, is an effort to pander to the gay community.
It was an apology because they said they wouldn’t include any sexual orientations but they did mention several hetero relationships. It’s really not hard to understand.
and I can assure you if they just added any LGBT+ line in a backstory, there would have been an outrage from people because BHVR stated before they wouldn’t mention this. They had to make a statement to revise their stance. And they could have made this in the anniversary stream or made a Q&A or an „around the campfire“-stream with this topic. But they only made one small insignificant tweet. That’s not pandering, that was the minimum they could have done.
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lol
“when I see someone near hook I will not chase them but facecamp“
but why? You see them so chase them?
but as far as I can tell from your description, matchmaking is at least working in your case, so be happy to not get matched against more experienced survivors.
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@supersonic853 said:
Its like everyones running iron will rn so everyone. In all seriousness ace doesnt sound that loud to me. Then you have bill lol.
I thought the bug only affected survs in dying state?
also I can track injured Aces pretty good, but yeah Bill and Laurie def „win“ this.
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I mean if anyone is sounding like they are feeling oppressed it’s those against inclusion of LGBT+ in the game. Like, why do you feel attacked by it at all, it really should not affect you. and then those people say LGBT community victimizes itself. Ironic.
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@timbologna said:
I feel like people often forget being heterosexual isn't a form of "sexuality" it's nature...being normal. Saying you're oppressed by viewing normal relationships between male and female just doesn't make sense.
That is hopefully just a poor choice of words.
homo-/bisexuality is also naturally and normal.
and no one said they feel oppressed.
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@ALostPuppy said:
I'm not a fan of developers and writers changing anything about a character for the sake of appeasing a group of individuals, and not for any other reason. Or better yet, in this case, introducing something completely irrelevant to the character for the same reason. If BHVR want to make a brand new character that is LGBT I'm all for it, but don't change the stuff that's already there just for that reason because it doesn't need to be changed.
It wouldn’t change anything though. Just add something to the backstory, which they do with the tomes, no one had a problem with that though.
i agree they shouldn’t add it to characters where it does not fit, huntress for example isn’t a great fit for the introduction of her sexuality or relationships.
but what if they want to write a backstory bit about Adam where a relationship is relevant? They wouldn’t change him if they mention a girlfriend or a boyfriend. But I guess there are other threads for this topic.
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Actually I really hope they will add new items for survivors. They mentioned they kind of see the items as the equivalent of the killers power when asked for individual survivor traits.
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I still think they will add Candyman..
if not I hope for either a pyromaniac killer or someone that utilizes insects or spiders in some way.
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@anarchy753 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1388490#Comment_1388490
Yeah because a company that feels the need to announce that they are actively making characters LGBT for PR will definitely not be heavy handed with it.
They just made a small tweet, nothing extraordinary.
they had to revise their old statement, and they probably got many questions/feedback. It’s a good thing they gave an answer and they certainly did not exaggerate as many people do now.
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@anarchy753 said:
I'm gay and I agree that sexuality doesn't belong in a game about murdering people like this.
NONE of the original survivors has lore that talks about them being in a straight relationship, just like none have and lore about being in a gay one. The fact that a survivor will be released with lore saying "BY THE WAY THEY'RE GAY!!!" and most likely their entire back story will be 'supported gay rights,' 'bullied for being gay' and other gay stereotypes sucks.
The entire point of LGBT rights is to be treated as normal, and the fact that people demand characters' sexuality has to be dragged out front and center, and often made characters' entire personality, is completely detrimental to that goal.
Even worse is we're probably going to get the same ludicrous stereotype of a femboy that most media portrays which does not represent many of us, and only further serves to alienate us from others.
uhm. Nurse, David, Legion and also Ace kind of.
edit: you make heavy assumptions about how BHVR will include LGBT+. For all we know they will handle it just like they handled those mentioned hetero relationships/references.
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@profrog said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1388455#Comment_1388455
You don't want gay characters in the game?
Yeah that one screams „I am not homophobe as long as all and everything gay stays away from me“
no one forced him/her to like LGBT+. There is no harm in adding it to the lore. No one should feel attacked by the inclusion in a game.
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@EverflowingRiver said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1388437#Comment_1388437
That's my point, it shouldn't be a big deal but they tweeted about it like they cured cancer.
But they really did not do that. They made a small insignificant tweet stating they won’t exclude LGBT+ anymore despite their previous statement and gave their reasoning.
they did not say anything about it in their anniversary stream or Q&As, not in their other stream, all during pride month.
i can just imagine the meltdown of people „not against gays“ if they just added some tiny lore bit because BHVR stated they wouldn’t include any sexuality after all.
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We cannot conclude her sexuality from anything we currently know yet. So no. Kidnapping the girls is kind of her maternal instinct..
if anything I would assume she is asexual, but we can’t say for certain and in case of huntress I think it wouldn’t make sense to include it in her backstory because that would be kind of retconning the existing lore: she lives alone in the Forest and kills everything and everyone but young girls. No point in adding sexuality/relations in this backstory.
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I saw this too and thought it was bugged.. but yeah, event points make much more sense 👍
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@Mozzie said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1387577#Comment_1387577
Non-exclusion means inclusion, which means representation. Please don't play word games, that isn't going to work. LGBT population is small. It's very small. 3.5 to 4% is the highest and mostly seen only in western countries. When you consider world wide that number drops to 1-2%. Saying if you're not okay with it you can stop playing is the same argument as "it's my country and if you don't like it get out". Not going to win too many arguments with that one. There is absolutely no need to bring sexuality into a game that has nothing to do with the topic. If the developers want to to touch on social commentary or politics they should tread lightly. People will take your advice on their own accord, revenue in the game will drop and that will unequivocally affect everyone here. People are getting tired of this backdoor social justice non-sense. We don't need DBD turning into Last of Us part 2.
It’s certainly higher than 3.5 percent though. That was this study for the USA and only reflects those that openly admit to being LGBT. But please show me the source of 1-2 percent worldwide (honestly interested because that sounds very incredible). BTW its higher in western countries because there are countries that literally kill people for being LGBT+. Or other punishments. And regardless of the number, saying a minority should not be represented in a Videogame just doesn’t make sense.
And I am not playing word games, I am just saying what the tweet was saying, they said they did unintentionally include hetero relations and will now not restrict themselves anymore from excluding LGBT+. They never said they do it just for representation. But it really doesn’t matter in the end. BHVR said they want to include/represent/not-exclude LGBT+. It’s not about bringing in sexuality, that is not new in DbD (Legion, Nurse, David, Ace).
and saying „don’t play if you don’t like it“ is totally valid. This is a free market and it’s about a video game. If you don’t like it, you really don’t have to play. Actually saying „we don’t want any LGBT+ chars in this game“ is way more comparable to „its my country if you don’t like it get out“.
you really don’t know how they will implement LGBT+ representation, you kind of assume just because they will include it they will manage it wrong. But for all we know, they will just mention some relationships or other lore bits in backstory and tome and thats it. You don’t have to let it affect you. There will not be enough people so full of hate that this will have an effect on revenue of the game.
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@Kabu said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1387745#Comment_1387745
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1387729#Comment_1387729
Slowing the game down does very little when it comes to actually fulfilling the killer's objective which is.... To kill the survivors. Otherwise they are just m1 killers. Even Trapper and Wraith have more going for them despite also being m1 killers.
It seems that hardly anybody actually plays as Legion which should say a lot. Which brings up another question. How do they know Legion is fine if the sample size is so small?But, if they think Legion is fine then what can we do?
To me, they seem to be in a very bad place. There have been a few members of the forum who said they enjoy Legion but the feeling I get is they are the vocal minority. Maybe, I just need to accept that I don't like Legion and just ignore them. That'd be a shame though.
i get matched regularly against Legion though, doesn’t seem that rare to me.. maybe thats a regional/time thing?
we are really not in a place to say the statistics are not enough or they are, we kinda have to trust the devs here..
they can’t really reveal statistics because even then, people will twist it in ways to show their opinion was right all along.
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Oh „of the west“ meant only USA. Gotcha. Surveys in Europe show slightly higher numbers. (And there are of course always those that lie to themselves and others but thats a different topic).
so, those 3.5 percent should not ask for a character they can relate to in a videogame? Because they are a minority?