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  • Well, the whole terming thing wasn’t really well defined.

    for example: I think GhostFace was called a chapter but Ash and every standalone before was a paragraph? Not 100% sure though.

    but I didn’t hear anything about them being done with stand-alone chars.

  • Are you sure? Quick googling it revealed the DLC for Nintendo on their official site

  • He doesn’t have an advantage against switch players though. It would just be one possible killer more you could face.

    but hopefully, they will have negotiations done for the NoES license and Freddy and Quentin will be on Switch once Crossplay will be on. Plus that Quentin face rework.

  • Just quit if you feel this way.

    if you can’t appreciate what they are doing then don’t give them your time or money and move on.

    i hope everyone that complained beforehand they will not touch Billy’s nerf at all can now see how blind they actually were though.

  • It actually is a valid question. I mean all the other killers at least have a head

  • @isilmerel said:

    But how would you flash blind a headless horseman? 😆

    I mean.. Demogorgon technically doesn’t have eyes as well but you still have to aim at the area where they should be..

  • I would love to see the head cosmetics they would come up with :)

  • But why not the headless horseman as a killer?

  • Tbh it’s not even that easy to see blood puddles and (depending on the environment/map) the scratch marks when you are not color blind. At least for me, could be because of other seeing defects though.

    and yeah I am still for a color blind mode even though I think others could abuse it. If it’s way to easy, those new colors should be dimmed down accordingly or something.. I think the mobile version has some kind of colorblind mode?

  • @Snowbawlzzz said:

    Devs do it for guaranteed attention

    Just as this thread was made for guaranteed replies

    Okay.

    so? It’s not even only guaranteed positive attention as this thread has shown. And they certainly could have made other things to gain attention but in the end they decided to include LGBT+ after revising their previous statement.

  • @NekoGamerX said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1442328#Comment_1442328

    let him be gay to you i mean characters shouldn't be label i know in lore they are but in life things happen people change they sexual preference all the time nothing set in stone,

    i like David and Nea too but they sexual preference or gender don't matter to me they who i want them to be.

    Then let the devs label other chars as well and not only as straight. they can’t revise it and stopping now is just a form of exclusion. It will not interfere with any head canons since those are just that..

  • @Khar said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1442202#Comment_1442202

    So, they got called out and then the tweet happened. Makes me think my guess wasn't so off target.

    You may interpret it this way, but you have no prove that it really was taken as a „call out“

    i see it this way: the devs/Cote/BHVR thought about these raised questions and revised their previous statement since they did contradict themselves with the mentioned relationships in the lore.


    in the end, they will now treat LGBT+ the same way as they already treated non-LGBT themes before so does it really matter that much?

  • @NekoGamerX said:

    i'm bi i say let the characters be who you want them to be imo

    But what if I wanted David to be gay? :(

  • BT and We Will Make It.

    maybe also consider Kindred if you play solo Q, it helps your time when you are hooked to coordinate but it also helps you knowing what’s going on while someone is hooked and how you can make good use of either BT or WWMI

  • @MongolPSR said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1442151#Comment_1442151

    no I didnt edit it, notice though Orions post was edited by a forum mod after the toxic dude got deleted off the board.

    Then I would assume your post was deleted in the same attempt but accidentally fully..? I’ve read it and can’t remember anything that would indicate it would be deleted

  • @MongolPSR said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1441999#Comment_1441999

    Why did your post get to stay but mine got deleted? We both said the same thing?

    Have you tried editing it? I saw another post vanish because of that earlier today..

  • There are other people in the community than the vocal killer mains on this forum (and other social media). They probably get feedback from other sides as well, also they will look into statistics and will see how Billy performs during the PTB compared to before. I am not saying I think the rework was necessary or justified btw. Just taking a reasonable point of view.

    they may even adjust him for the live version, or did they confirm he will be left as is?

  • Thankfully. Otherwise I heard some would call it pandering..

    (sorry just a little teasing, not meant super seriously)

  • @BigBrainMegMain said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1441233#Comment_1441233

    Operator 60 is lesbian and she asks 2B for dating advice.

    A lot of the Operators are into women.

    There are side-quests that have you get Plug In Chips for some of the Resistance Androids but the Android and Plug In chips belong to the YoRHa Company and you're asked either to destroy the chips and the android or turn them in to the quest giver.

    When you turn them in to the Quest Giver, he wants to re-active a male android and start a family with him.

    They are both male.

    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Dragon Age 3, Cassandra is a badass, she's also lesbian but she only mentions it about once.

    Dorian is gay, his story is great, his father tried to change him for Forbidden Blood Magic and he ran away.

    Well hopefully those games were not released during pride month or their stories were not written during that time!

    ;-)

  • Wow. I was gone for a short while and this thread got into another mess because of one ignorant individual. That kind of ignorance can be very dangerous.. good thing there are at least rational being here

  • @A_Skinny_Legend said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/171788/hide-behind-a-gen-to-counter-bbq

    When I play as the killer and people do that I can still see their red silhouette.

    This. It is pretty unreliable and if the killer expects it they can just adjust the angle and see part of your aura.

    chances are - if it „works“ , the killer actually just saw another aura quicker and decided to go for that surv.


    it may work if you are hiding in the right angel and adjust accordingly to killer-kindred can help here. But lockers are the most reliable counter.

  • @terumisan said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1441300#Comment_1441300

    If you want to be honest the L in LGBT shouldn't exist because lesbians also refer to themselves as gay bisexual people ultimately choose a side at the end of the day it's just that they are unsure and trans is a can of worms that I won't bother explaining

    Also marriage wasn't apart of the government but apart of the church which was a blatant overreach and violation in America between the separation between church and state then after gay marriage was announced gay couples went after Christian bakers for not serving them

    Politicians won't pander to gay people because they are only 5% of the population they wouldn't gain much by pandering after gay marriage was approved

    Bisexuals are just unsure and choose a side at the end?

    and marriage was not only a church thing since a long time, see taxes (at least in some European countries)

    and saying there is no discrimination going on in western countries is just blatantly wrong and concerningly ignorant.

  • @terumisan said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1441242#Comment_1441242

    I mean straight people in media exists because biology propels humanity forward

    And for your second point gay people aren't second class citizens at least in western countries and there is no real visual indicator to tell a person is gay or not it's 100% on that person to tell people because there isn't a way to really know

    thats really not true, there is still discrimination going on and straight relationships are not only shown because of reproduction, as far as we know, Frank and Julie didn’t want children and Nurse and her husband didn’t have children as well. This argument could work for Oni, but then no one said otherwise.

    there is no harm in including LGBT themes in the lore of this game. It is not needed, but there will be no damage done. Just let it be.

  • @BigBrainMegMain said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1441175#Comment_1441175

    The reason why you got backlash and it doesn't feel genuine is because it was announced.

    It should have just been done naturally. I dislike June because usually companies turn all their attention to the LGBT community in hopes for some $$$. Clothing companies do it, accessory companies do it, gaming companies do it, and it just doesn't feel from the heart.

    You allowed people to express their feelings, you allowed them to expect and brace for the worse by announcing it.

    As a member from the LGBT community, saying it was genuine doesn't change anything. What was done is done.

    That is only a very minor part of all the backlash though. As Peanits said himself, they had to moderate and block people because of hateful comments etc.

    and only because you are LGBT and don’t find it genuine doesn’t mean everyone thinks that way either. There are LGBT and straight people that didn’t have a problem with that small tweet (that was even smaller than most normal tweet tbh). Also the questions were raised in this month and they gave a statement and answer. Should they have waited for a month just so you may find it genuine? There would be a ton of backlash because they didn’t answer at all for the time.

    for BHVR, they didn’t sell LGBT accessory’s, DLC or anything, so your argument doesn’t work here either

  • @bm33 said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1440796#Comment_1440796

    Dwight thinks he's going to escape when opening exit gate but Nurse is waiting on other side.

    This is now a thread about how Dwights will die in the tv series.

    First Dwight death is him being grabbed out of a locker which Huntress only wanted to get hatchets from.

  • Another one Dwight escapes, but a killer has sneaked and waited at the campfire

  • @bm33 said:

    Think TV series would be good. Could be like horror version of Sliders. Going from one entity dimension to another, sometimes character runs into themselves. 😂

    The running gag will be that every episode one Dwight will die.

  • If you are facing the Xenomorph in a trial there are 4 flamethrowers scattered around. It’s the only thing that can stop the Alien. Pallets won’t stun, flashlights don’t blind, vaults are nothing that will slow the Alien in any way. DS will instantly kill you because of the acid blood, btw.

    only acceptable flamethrower concept for DbD.

  • @Boss said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1440689#Comment_1440689

    Generators would probably be the biggest obstacle a series would face.

    It shouldn’t always be gens, but always different tasks/obstacles. Possibly dependent on the map they are, they have to figure out what to do or just traverse it while avoiding the killer.

  • i would like an original tv series about DbD and each license may get one or two episodes that feature their characters.

    its all about a group of survivors in the fog, maneuvering around trying to find an exit, sometimes need to get tasks done to get forward(gens. But also different tasks), sometimes they lose a mate, sometimes they stumble over new ones. Sometimes there are antimates, they get splittend etc. Every episode features one or two killers and you can see partly their perspective partly survivor perspective. With flashbacks about previous lives before the fog. Original killers/characters may come back in different episodes but licensed ones are only in specific episodes.

  • @DrVonKrumm said:

    Oh that's strange, I tried to edit a grammatical error in my post and now its gone?

    At least it was quoted and not vanished completely 😅

  • Didn’t they extend their timing? So it’s one week PTB and then additionally 2 weeks until release.

  • I wanna see perks for Lisa (Hag) as a survivor, since she was associated with voodoo before her whole incident with the cannibals and her demise..

    but that’s a pretty iffy topic, you can’t just do it with some chars but not all.. I guess adding relatives of the known chars could be a good compromise. Add Lisa’s sister, that searched for her after her disappearance or something and you pretty much get a new char with characteristics of existing ones

  • @Aven_Fallen said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1440448#Comment_1440448

    There is a Leak about an Oni-Skin which will be Legendary. And well, this Skin also seems to cost 1485 Auric Cells. But psst, I only tell you, nobody else will know. And it can also not be true at all, since there is no official announcement.

    And well, I think 5 Euros extra for a Skin where only the Lobby Animation is different is too much. Another Voice Actor and a change of the name in the Lobby would have been good.

    So yeah, I guess 15 Euros is the price for Legendary Skins even in the future.

    Yeah, but pricing should really not be the topic here, it was discussed already elsewhere and OP wanted to start another discussion.


    also the devs said they actually would like to make different voice acting for legendary skins and would add it as soon as they are able to! They didn’t state what was restricting them though.. I guess technical reasons?

  • I could see something like a build up of his power similar to Myers, every time he tiers up, the iconic „cat cat cat meow meow meow“. Tiering up should just be triggered differently, not through stalking (or maybe it should?) and the effect and number of Tiers should be different as well..

  • since legendary skins weren’t a thing when the ST chapter released, they probably need to make new negotiations about other characters. But it may very well be easier with ST than eg for NoES or Leatherface because they probably thought and talked about future cosmetic content when talking about the actual chapter.

    for the first licenses, cosmetics and the ingame shop weren’t a thing, so negotiations had to be done completely new I assume.

  • @SaltedSnow said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1440405#Comment_1440405

    And for the umpteenth time, my opinion is they shouldn't have done that in the first place, so I don't want them to continue. It's literally that simple. It's not about treating everyone the same. It's not about not representing anyone, it's just about my opinion that they shouldn't have done it in the first place and shouldn't continue.

    Hell focusing on xxx survivor doing some human thing to show how human they are is mediocre lore considering this is a game with magical killers and Eldrich gods. Cut down the lore and focus on those aspects.

    That may be a valid and understandable opinion, but with the archives being a thing, we have to take it as it is. And in this scenario, there is nothing wrong with adding LGBT topics to existing chars, because they do add other stuff as well. They won’t stop with the archives now and they want to go deeper into lore and expand the backgrounds of their chars.

  • @anarchy753 said:

    I'm gay and I firmly don't believe that sexual orientation should be focused on in a game like this. It is scarecely relevant, and I had a whole lot more respect for their previous decision that orientation wouldn't be addressed for the vast majority of characters so it's up to the player to decide and who to relate to. You're running around hacking people apart and hanging them on meathooks, who they want to sleep with isn't relevant.

    Personally, I find it hard to be optomistic about them discussing sexuality in character lore for a number of reasons.

    Firstly, they lack subtlety in a lot of cases. The biggest example for me is Zarina. In creating a "race-positive" character, they created a character whose entire personality and backstory is just her race. Race is important but like anything else, completely dominating a character's entire personality with one detail is shallow and to a degree, insulting to people who care about that detail in themselves.

    Secondly, the current events surrounding the LGBT community and "gender identity" have left a lot of the community split, flinging insults, and creating toxic, destructive movements across many forms of social media. This is not the time to hedge your bets on an LGBT character. One wrong word and the company can very quickly get labelled as "phobic," exploitative of the movement etc.

    Lastly, we so often get represented by a barrage of stereotypes in media. For what is meant to be a time where we're most accepted and 'normal,' we're constantly dragged back to these parodies of the feminine guy who likes make up or drag, and clubbing. It doesn't represent a huge amount of us, and for many these sorts of representations aren't any better than putting in racial stereotypes and saying "you should just be glad to be represented at all." As I've said above, they don't have a great track record of subtlety, and I'm skeptical that they can create characters that are LGBT without it being their personality.

    No one said it will be a heavy focus and we do not know how the devs will handle the LGBT themes. Maybe it will just be like the mentioning of David’s ex and nothing more. And we probably won’t get confirmation for every single char. They will just not restrict themselves anymore with the exclusion of these themes, that is all we know at this point.

    we do know that at least one char in the roster is LGBT and looking at it, as no one can really confidently guess who it is, they handeled that at least very well.

  • @SaltedSnow said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1440129#Comment_1440129

    Changing in this case means not being ambiguous anymore. As I said, I'd prefer their personalities to remain as blank as possible in order to allow the people playing themselves to project themselves on them.

    So you have a problem with David’s archive story as well? Or with every archive story, since they all add new lore to the chars. Or is it just a problem if it’s explicitly LGBT themes added?

  • @SaltedSnow said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1437840#Comment_1437840

    I ain't the same dude, but IMO I don't want the characters already released to be changed, I'd prefer them all to remain rather ambiguous in regards to their personality itself so that any personality we've projected onto them feels good.

    If they add a new dude and make them gay/bi/whatever that's fine, but leave the older characters as they are.

    Since they haven’t been confirmed straight, no changing would be happening whatsoever.

    even Nurse could be bisexual as far as we know.

  • Yeah, most probable is GF. Challenges will be only requiring using his perks (available in shrine) and those will probably not be required to complete the tome (is that the correct English term?)

    If they add cosmetics, they need approval but maybe they still have cosmetic options for GF they didn’t reveal as of now..

  • @Bovinity said:

    And the game after that one:

    https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/T9GZ2IZFRASE/image.png

    4-man SWF. Actually not as blatant, but the 2 is clearly out of my range and I'm only getting them because they're grouped with the 8. (Was 12 at game start)

    I didn’t say it wouldn’t happen though. But is it just me or is the red rank color off?

    also I guess I just have to take your word on them being SWF? Like I am so often accused of playing SWF even though I am solo queueing.

    it also may happen often in this direction because there are just more survivors in higher ranks and not enough killers, plus maybe in your region the new MMR might have been enabled, they said they are testing it in some regions sporadically and looking at those points, the matches weren’t terrible for you and even though it were high rank SWF they didn’t Overperform at all.

  • I guess it will remain optional as it is right now. Crossplay is enabled for Steam and Windows Store for quite a while and you can turn in off in the options

  • @Bovinity said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1438655#Comment_1438655

    SWF definitely can influence it with their ranks. Bring 3 red ranks and a rank 16 and you'll get a lot of rank ~16 killers.

    For whatever reason, it just doesn't work the way they say it's intended to work. Fairly easy to test this if you felt like it, too.

    its not really reliable to do this though. You could also see the reverse scenario with SWF all in brown ranks going against higher ranked killers.

    With current matchmaking you can probably achieve this with a 4 Man SWF all in red ranks and they still get a fair amount of brown rank killers.

  • Tbh this pic doesn’t suggest such a bad game. And we don’t know if they were really that toxic or even SWF (why would someone bring empathy?). Not saying you are lying but it’s only one pic from one match. And matchmaking is known to be broken, SWF can’t really control that with their ranks either, still just random.

    you got a fair amount of points and didn’t resort to tunneling or camping as it seems, if they were harassing you in endgame I hope you reported them for this.

  • they stated that if they do an archive/rift about a licensed character, there wouldn’t be a challenge where you have to play as that char because every challenge has to be able to be completed by everyone without spending additional money. I think even for challenges with original chars only obtainable with shards/DLC, those challenges are not needed to get the rift completed.

    i guess GF, specifically Danny Johnson, could very well be in a rift with additional lore, it was just not his time yet.

  • @pizzamess said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1436979#Comment_1436979

    Also clown and legion are in a good place tf?? Is this because that balance dude said clown was underrated and his "true potential" was just hiding from everybody? And legion is easily considered one of the worse killers in the game for a reason idc if he farms green ranks.

    Yeah see. Why do you value the devs opinion on them being happy with Billy but disregard their statements about killers considered weak?

    also, again, I didnt say anyone asked for a billy nerf. I just said that people expected addon reworks for both Chainsaw brothers at the same time. And the power rework is just something that was always coming with the addon rework, but admittedly that’s just me using common sense.

  • @pizzamess said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1436926#Comment_1436926

    Just because something is good does not mean it is broken or unbalanced most of the killers have glaring weaknesses that need at least some help and there are a few killers that are overtuned billy was not one of them and no ones been complaining about him so to the sure it wasnt out of thin air they have and discuss things internally but to the player base this was completely out of left field and all we have to go off of is what they've said which contradicts their actions, they themselves said that they were happy with where he is and that the most skilled player usually came out on top with him. They have so many other killers that need treatment more then him one way or the other, the only thing anybody ever complained about were 2 addon combinations, crack billy and insta saw, and if they just nerfed his addons everyone would've been fine, other then the confusion some would have over how useless some are but whatever most of the chain addons were useless anyways, but then they said "let's double dip" and "tweak" his base power that no one was complaining about because it was already one of, if not, the most balanced base power in the game and spend all this dev time and money on again something no one wanted then or wants now.

    I don’t know where all that „billy was most balanced“ and „there are other killers needing a rework more“ is coming from?

    going by the statements of the devs, Legion and Clown are both fine and in a good place and don’t need reworking. You are mixing community opinions with devs statements. They said they were mostly happy with Billy’s state, that doesn’t equal to „he was the most balanced and should not be reworked at all“.


    also, again, many people expected a billy rework alongside Bubba, maybe not a rework like we have gotten but it was kind of expected together for a while.

  • @pizzamess said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1436836#Comment_1436836

    I mean they didnt change his addons then go woop guess we need to change his power too they changed the power first then changed the addons or they made the decision at the same time plus bubba and billy dont share any of the same addons anymore so they didnt have to change billy at all and all they would've had to do was not change the addons effects but change the name and boom jam they saved themselves a lot of work.

    Yeah they probably planned it before and didn’t start with the addons. First doing the power and then the addons is the way to go obviously. They didn’t have to change billy but they still decided to for reasons we don’t know.

    we know though that they were changing Leatherface and there was demand for changing both addon sets of the chainsaw boys. They were also saying they were mostly happy with billy. We also know that billy was always considered high tier by the community and there were times where he and nurse were the only ones you would see on red ranks for a reason. That was not the most balanced killer.

    i am not even saying the rework/nerf he got was justified (I really didn’t see it and am not interested as of now) BUT the fact they reworked him didn’t come out of thin air and was actually expected together with Bubba change..

  • @Squirrel_Thicc said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1435342#Comment_1435342

    Yeah people are going to complain because everyone is different. If the dev's do anything there will always be people complaining and there will always be people happy with it. Not everybody's the same. The argument of "someone always complains" is pretty dumb imo. Sorry if that sounded mean.

    Didn’t sound mean. But your argument of „most of not all players have a problem with it“ was way more dumb. It’s the forums and the vocal social networks community part that have a problem with it. You don’t really see the feedback by casuals. But even here you can see some people happy with it.


    @pizzamess said:

    https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1435342#Comment_1435342

    How was hillbilly easily alongside bubba in any way other then thematic they recieved very different changes and probably actually put more effort into billy then bubba, the addons I can understand since they shared a lot of addons but power wise they went in completely different directions for their changes.

    Well, the Addon changes required a power change, if they changed Hillbilly’s addons with the old power unchanged they would have to redo the addons against when his power is looked at, so why not do it together? Also, and that’s just me assuming, while the powers are different I can imagine that the coding behind the chainsaws is still somewhat similar, kinda like Myers and GF (leaks said that GFs power was based on Myers before he was officially revealed iirc)

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