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@Brokenbones said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2662981#Comment_2662981
What's your point? People from all walks of life can be bad people or involved in bad/unethical practices
The fact that he, much like Yun-Jin, is bit more morally gray of a survivor makes them far more interesting than the likes of some of the others.
Yeah but Mexican characters especially in American media are often portrayed as bad people.
as i said i haven’t actually read it
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@Brokenbones said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2662974#Comment_2662974
What's wrong with Jonah's backstory?
Him being the first male Latin American/mexican(?) survivor that is also involved in war crimes somehow..
actually I haven’t read it yet but only heard of it.
I think it’s not the worst thing they could have done but it’s still a little bit concerning..
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@bleep275 said:
I always assumed trickster was on the lgbteam. Nea too.
Trickster is just a KPop star and looks the way. But for neither is sexual orientation, gender or anything confirmed at all.
@MrCalac123 said:
Here's how to PROPERLY add LGBT to DBD
There was a man named John Smithers, he worked an office Job on Ohio to pay off his student loans and he lives with his husband.
There. THAT is how you represent someone LGBT, as a normal person.
BHVR gets support from consultants to avoid using bad stereotypes unintentionally. And looking at how some of the lore was written (eg Legion tome or now Jonah’s backstory) maybe them getting support on that front may not be too bad..
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For me personally yeah. But DbD is also the only game I really put in that much time..
the devs have also mentioned that additional prestige rewards might come in the future..
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@ThanosPAWG said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2661450#Comment_2661450
A long time ago way before I installed the game I heard about how in a dev stream one of them said that one of the five is LGBT+. Honestly if I had to guess my money's on Nea.
I heard that as well but never found the original source for that statement..
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I was confused in a recent match were a teammate brought Guardian, when inward affected by it I saw the new icon but in the end screen (and also in my characters perks selection) it got the old Steve icon.
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Tried to make a concept of a killer with fire (in this case fire breathing but could obviously work with a flamethrower as well): Firebreather (click to get to the thread)
turned out to be similar to Plague (which I think isn’t directly a bad thing)
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Baby birb
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@Seiji212 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2660939#Comment_2660939
Last point before I’m truly done- what keeps DbD on top besides no true competitors and their many licenses? Don’t worry I’ll wait…
let one, just ONE contender arise, which it absolutely will before long, and let that contender start accruing licenses of their own- well that will become a problem.
you ppl tunnel focus on the now to the point you don’t see the future. I do. And I bet the devs do as well. That’s my whole point.
when these contenders arise the new players will become less of a priority and the faithful players will finally get the attention they both deserve and have paid money for. DbD won’t go down without a fight.
I’m done for real with my commentary, you birds can cluck amongst yourselves if you want I’ll step back in within 18 months once I’m proven correct.
I wish I had such an optimistic take on the future of DbD and the whole asymmetric horror game genre…
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Yeah. No. Mori Spamming was the worst form of BMing in this game and I am glad it’s gone. Killers have enough ways to BM still in game.
they do need to address flashlights of course but I don’t see how that is relevant. Mori Spamming was bad, even though there may have been funny encounters or clips from streamers it should not be glorified.
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Bubba wearing Claudette’s face is definitely not racist.
Bubba having darker skin under the mask is blackface. Even if it’s just unintentionally because of textures. This one is the least that should be changed. Doesn’t make the character bubba racist of course.
Players using Smart Face to harass and grief certain players (eg only black characters or directly streamers that are people of color) is a big problem. Of course it would be nice to say keep Smart Face and just ban those idiots, but sadly that’s not possible in all cases.
just removing Smart Face is wrong, can be viewed as a racist act on its own and is not the solution. Especially when the other survivor masks are kept (among them Jake who is Korean which could also be argued as ‚yellowface‘)
So best solution I have seen: change all 4 survivor masks to cosmetics that resemble the survivors more (eg using cloth or items like glasses from them). Maybe even add more original survivor masks/cosmetic pieces?
Problem: Negotiations with license holder need to be made before the devs can take any action. Not_queen has confirmed they are reaching out to them though and that they do see the problem with blackface.
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@Seiji212 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2660939#Comment_2660939
And none of those have even come close to replicating DbD’s niche genre. Unlike VHS. Am I speaking Ancient Greek here? Is vhs better? God no. Is it closer to DbD than any other? Yes. Yes it is.
that’s the whole point.
I don’t see VHS being that close to DbD tbh. Just the very fact that the teens have to kill the monster makes it such a different experience. HSH: Survive was as far as I know closer even though you could kill the Killer you also had the escape stuff etc. Even gens, items. The same for Hide or Die and Last Year. I don’t see those attempts further away from DbD than VHS.
the only difference is that VHS is in its hype phase (as those were too at some point).
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it would be great if there was competition but there is none yet.
VHS won’t be the game that kills DbD. It may not fail like all the other attempts, undo think they have some stuff going for them. But it won’t replace DbD at all.
And the focus of the Ash vs Evil Dead game is also not where DbD is..
would be cool to see DbD step up their game and focus more on game Balance and health, maybe new/expanded mechanics etc though
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Oh yeah. Gonna join before it goes down like the other threads.
i guess further down the line there will be more LGBTQ+ characters but for their first they will try to avoid any bad stereotypes, and making the first one a Killer, the ‚evil‘ role, might be a bit controversial considering how gay people used to be portrayed in movies..
so I am assuming a gay or lesbian survivor that is overall ‚normal‘ but has a loved one from the same gender be mentioned in their backstory. And they need consultants for that…
on the bodytypes I agree, had high hopes after Jeff and Jane but then they started to focus on young attractive fit (mostly female) survivors. At least they have diversity in ethnicities and nationalities I guess!
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@Mandy said:
I just want to confirm a few things here to clarify the situation a bit.
The game will be free for 1 week only on Epic Games Store, those who get the game within that time will keep it.
The game is not going to go free to play on Epic indefinitely - it's just that week.
@not_Queef was completely correct.
can you share which version it will be (which DLCs are included)?
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There is some killer specific mechanics/add ons that can also block the gates (but nothing other than Bloodwarden works for Bubba)
Freddy: has an addon that blocks the gate for sleeping survivors for a short time
Twins: When Victor is latched on a surv the gate is blocked for them, I think even a few seconds after victor got removed
Pinhead: If you are chained the gates are blocked, but immediately free when chains are removed
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only killer challenge I haven’t tried yet. I guess I am waiting for the inevitable Trickster daily. Two birds one stone..
i don’t like to play Trickster at all since I am on controller, and Main Event especially is something I never really use… now getting two downs with it or whatever is required… am not motivated at all. I guess it’s very much possible to get though and there have been worse challenges..(kill all 4 survs in basement was… something.. for example)
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Hi there and welcome!
i wouldn’t mind it, but I guess this is something where it actually makes sense to also think about the other side, so a mercy kill/hook if the killer didn’t get any survs and all 4 are at the exit gate.
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Well… I guess I should say goodbye to my lost Cheryl Ugly Sweater 😢
(still hope that customer service contacts me and just say they restored it…)
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I guess they might get merged though? Since I saw at least 3 times exactly the same topic and not everything is deleted
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It’s not launching but it’s a closed beta.. I don’t think it’s related really..
hasn’t there been bloodhunts around the time before or has it always been sales for Black Friday week?
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There are some but I don’t know if you can find lobby’s in the games at all?
Friday the 13th, I think it’s full of cheaters
Home Sweet Home: Survive, actually no clue if it’s still there
VHS, I think the closed beta starts tomorrow, you may still be able to get invited if you register on their website? (They are sending out further invites in waves)
No clue if ‚Hide or Die‘ or Resident Evil: Resistance are still a thing?
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It was one of the Samination scenes that felt like it could just be me 😅
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„Do dodo Doo - Working on gens - Do dodo do - Not paying attention“
*Myers Tier up music plays*
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@stvnhthr said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2656564#Comment_2656564
He messaged me to let me know he was going to get me back for something I posted. Then I would play a match and the killer would ignore everything in the game but me, tunnel me, hook me and then facecamp me. No matter how long I waited between matches he would always be the killer and do the same thing. I was able to track his IPN from the game and found he was a Behaviour employee.
And you got proof for that, right? Screenshots or something, the message?
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even if you did nothing on your pc there is many more elements involved than your PC and BHVR.
Your internet provider may have been the cause for example. Some automatic updates on your hardware, windows etc.
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@GeneralV said:
I have something you might like:
Power: Dream Demon
Pull survivors into the Dream World
-Survivors who are awake do not see The Nightmare.
-Once targeted by The Nightmare’s power, survivors enter the Dream Transition for 7 seconds.
-The Nightmare’s Movement Speed Penalty for putting a survivor into the Dream Transition lasts for 1 second.
-During the Dream Transition Survivors can see The Nightmare intermittently and they suffer from the Incapacitated status effect.
-When the Dream Transition Lapse, the Survivor is pulled into the Dream World.
Once in the Dream World:
-Survivor’s auras are revealed to The Nightmare when they are outside of his terror radius.
-Survivors suffer an action speed penalty of 40%.
-To exit the Dream World, Survivors can find non-sleeping Survivors to perform a wake up action.
-Failed Skill Checks can also wake up.
-Hooked Survivors wake up.
Special Ability: Dream Projection
-Teleport to a Generator in view. Releasing the button early will cancel the action.
-Survivors cannot interact with the targeted Generator.
“You have nothing to worry about. This won’t hurt one… little… bit.” -Freddy Krueger
Just posted something similar kn the other thread.
i would personally leave survivors falling asleep after some time in and also let alarm clocks stay. Failed skillchecks from selfhealing i would remove as a possibility to wake up.
Good to see you are open to QoL changes/additions to old Freddy!
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I think best would be a mixture of old, current and completely new features for Freddy. Old Freddy was too weak and current one lacks creativity and a dream world you want to escape from.
for one, Freddy should be invisible for survs and be able to pull survs into his dream world. No interaction with awake survs. but also add in survivors falling asleep after some time. Survs being directly pulled into the dream world by Freddy should suffer some kind of status effect so they can’t carelessly finish what they were doing.
Keep in the alarm clocks as a way to always be able to escape the dream. Selfcare skillchecks shouldn’t be able to wake you but other awake Survs and failed skillchecks when getting healed by other survs.
Teleports to gens are viable and should probably stay for map pressure. I also thought about maybe being (instead) able to teleport to sleeping survs. But just being able to teleport to a gen nearby would probably be enough.
If possible with buttons available etc, keep in puddles/pallets. But I don’t think they are necessary for Freddy.
Another gimmick that would make sense with Freddy only attacking survs in Dreamworld could be that his arm elongates during a lunge visually. That way you counter the often complained about lunge of Freddy which just seems longer because of smaller model/weapon and you add something from the movies (at least I think I remember his arms elongating in one scene?)
from this on balance with time of cooldowns and other number changes etc (pulling survs into the dream world, survs falling asleep, gen teleports).
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@Marigoria said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2655847#Comment_2655847
Most people on here are referring to other people "my black friend" "black people I know", "black content creators".
Who cares? You have been provided with names/tags of several people of color against current Smart Face Bubba cosmetic. Why do those friends and content creators not count?
also many people here have not stated their own skin color or if they are speaking for someone else at all.
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@Marigoria said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2655843#Comment_2655843
Again, which test? I literally know how the person who said "dozens and dozens" of people looks like.
And? That’s one person that was referring to other people.
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@Marigoria said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2655835#Comment_2655835
I didn't assume their skin color, I know the people talking instead of them are white though.
oh lol. Okay. And that’s why I said you gotta pass the Marigoria test to call yourself black.
Edit: GBK has provided several people with links. Maybe stop ignoring those people? Also for most of the forum users, you really don’t know the skin colors.
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@Marigoria said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2655819#Comment_2655819
I didn't start with the "dozens and dozens", I literally quoted someone who said that.
Yeah. But you started the assumption about the skin color of those people being white even though they actually were referred to PoC by the person you quoted.
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@Marigoria said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2655813#Comment_2655813
I'm not really into assuming people's race, since in all honestly it shouldn't matter. I'm not really into identity politics and diving people by their skin color.
Sorry, but you started it, talking about the dozens and dozens (you assume) white to talk against it etc.
if you want to refrain from that comment that’s very much fine by me.
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@Marigoria said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2655803#Comment_2655803
Yes, 1 person isnt "dozens and dozens". Mathematics.
then don’t ignore the fact that others exist as well maybe? Also I am pretty sure for the most people you are referring to you don’t even know if they are white or not but you are assuming.
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@GoodBoyKaru said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2655764#Comment_2655764
Tani? We're ignoring MiladyConfetti and Karen then?
Also if you look at the clip it was uploaded long after the tweets on Bubba 😶😶
Well. I guess it’s time you give Tani the new information about her: she is white and not black.
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@fogdonkey said:
So are you saying me that a not well known streamer (only 1k followers) is getting constantly purposefully targeted by Bubbas wearing the Claudette cosmetic? Kind of hard to believe (send me links to streams where it happened, I didn't see links on this thread, but didn't check all the pages). Sounds more like an attempt to get visibility (based on the length of this thread it was successful). The first video that I saw on the streamer's profile was flashlight clicking at Bubba... No wonder if you get face camped after your annoying clicking.
It wasn’t only about that one streamer though. ‚SistasOfTheFog‘ for example is a community of black women (and I think including others like non-binary people) that have expressed their feelings and experiences about it as well. I am personally not watching streams much at all so I haven’t directly witnessed harassments like that. But that doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.
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@Bennett_They1Them said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/296122/dlc-tomorrow-thursday-next-week-ween
I think they said the 30th.
It’s not officially being mentioned. The trailer said ‚November‘ though and should refer to live release and not PTB. Also it’s usually 3 weeks after PTB release if no major problems get in the way, which would also point to 30th
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None since they are too expensive to me and all the Chars that have a legendary available I like already the base character.
I would have made an exception for Barb, Robin or Hopper for Stranger Things as well as Carlos for Leon (RE). Depending on quality of the skins of course. Also maybe for Tapp, if he ever should get one and doesn’t get normal cosmetics that I like.
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That’s a reason why the initial penalty is so short (only 5 minutes). thank the people that abused disconnecting for the penalties to exist at all.
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@Marigoria said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2655597#Comment_2655597
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2655598#Comment_2655598
There is no context to "remove or change it". It's a direct statement which portrays exactly what the person who posted the tweet wants.
Yeah exactly. That person asked for it. No one in this thread actually made arguments for it though. She has made several other points as well that were very much relevant and valuable though.
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@Marigoria said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2655592#Comment_2655592
Oh so when GBK posts it it is within context, but me reposting it is out of context? How is "it should be removed or changed" out of context? It's a pretty forward statement.
GBK has posted several tweets from her though and has explained it further in his comments. You are taking one singled out tweet and focus on one word while also ignoring the alternative she is directly giving in that same tweet.
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@Marigoria said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2655553#Comment_2655553
https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/R10GF0XCV04A/screenshot-20211123-104901-com-twitter-android.jpg
Literally in one of the tweets they posted it says it should be removed/changed, so yes, they want it removed.
Out of context, no one directly involved in the discussion and they want it removed OR CHANGED. Pretty sure GBK has also stated he has talked with her more about it and he has provided more context.
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@AkiTheKitten said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2655550#Comment_2655550
They literally implied that they wanna remove it countless times tho?
And I am black, and the mask itself is not offensive in any way
And you are the voice of all black people? And the opinion of the streamer that GoodBoyKaru mentioned is of less value than yours because…?
and can you please point out a comment that asked for removal of Smart face without touching the other skins?
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@AkiTheKitten said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2655514#Comment_2655514
Yes ❤. You don't speak for black people, you aren't the emperor of black people. It's more racist to remove it
No one asked for straight out removal. And GoodBoyKarus has shown you several people of color that have directly stated how it is offensive for them.
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@El_Gingero said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2655499#Comment_2655499
It’s a face. You’re making it about race by calling it a “black face.” Bubba wears people’s skin on his face. He does this regardless of ethnicity. To exclude black people would be incredibly racist. To include them is not racist at all. Bubba wears your face. If your face is black, it’s still just a face. It’s not special. It’s not exempt. He will cut it off and wear it all the same, regardless of what you choose to call it.
You are still talking about the face mask and not the darkened skin beneath or how people use it to harass others?
i am with you on the mask itself, that one makes sense. But the skin beneath needs to be adjusted. And further adjustments to all 4 to make them more distinct to each other and to make them actually resemble the 4 original survs instead of just their skin color would just be better in general and would help against the usage in harassment
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@Olokun said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2655458#Comment_2655458
I juste sais in 80's WE were able to joke on everything more than now , now everyone take everything as an offend . The World is less free ATM than it was before, respect included
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That’s.. only including very specific people into the ‚WE‘
many people were not free back then and had to hide themselves, let themselves get discriminated or joked about just because they were different.
just because you can’t harass people that are different as easily doesn’t make you less free now.
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@El_Gingero said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2655454#Comment_2655454
It is your definition. In reality it is just a face. You make it a “black face.” Are you trying to imply that BHVR are secretly racist and are trying to hide “black face” in their game to subtly offend minorities? If no, then it is just a face.
it is blackface. Intentionally or not. And no, I actually think they have done in unintentionally and they were just making the face masks without blackface in mind. See the video GoodBoyKaru has posted on the last page I think. They have addressed it. They are human and make mistakes. Doesn’t mean they can’t correct those.
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@Olokun said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2655403#Comment_2655403
here we go , self victim begin i was born in 80's so i can talk of this .
Can you form an actual sentence please? I really don’t know what you are trying to say here.
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@El_Gingero said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/2655398#Comment_2655398
That’s your definition. To everyone else it’s just a cosmetic of a character’s face, like all the other ones, because that’s literally all it is. You’re making it into something racist which could be construed as racism in of itself.
See how that works? What do we do about the minorities being offended by you being offended?
Now, obviously I’m not saying you’re being explicitly racist, but singling out minorities and treating them like children, or implying they can’t handle adult themes, or gaslighting them into thinking everyone is racist, can definitely be perceived as racism, and that’s what this is all about when it comes down to it. Perceptions. Perspectives. How do we weight them all? We can’t. You just can’t please everyone.
The fact of the matter is, removing or changing the cosmetic to appease such a small group of people in such a niche situation, is going to negatively impact far more people in the process.
And I do see many people asking for it to be removed whenever this topic is brought up, but asking for it to be changed to “be less offensive” is pretty much the same thing at the end of the day.
What else are we going to change to be less offensive? We should remove camping because a racist person could camp someone. Same for tunnelling. But what about hooking in general? We can’t have racists hooking people. Especially minorities. That would be offensive. Same for slugging. As for chasing, well that’s some pretty dodgy territory, having a known murderer chasing around minorities? Beyond the pale. At this stage we may as well delete the whole game, but then we’d be deleting Claudette, which could be racist too.
In a bit of a pickle here.
That’s not ‚my definition‘
Bubbas face underneath the mask is not the same color as it is for the other cosmetics. That is literal blackface.
Are you actually trying to argue that white people with dark/black painted faces is not racist, considering the history of blackface and the mocking of people of color in general (not only ‚blackface‘ but also ‚yellowface‘).
and I am against a singled out removal as well. I have said that several times in this thread now. Change all 4 of the survivor masks to be less offensive and more in line with Bubbas actual character (wearing clothes and such from his victims).
this would also result in these cosmetics having more value overall. Let’s be honest, no one ever would see a difference between original head cosmetic and athlete/leader face since there isn’t much difference…
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@Olokun said:
when i see threads like this , 80's miss me i think we should be able to joke of everything .
When I see posts like this I think people are forgetting how discrimination was and still is a big problem.
Blackface is not just a joke. Inform yourself before making such a statement.
