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@SuzuKR said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3045827#Comment_3045827
They don't have to be a part of LGBT+ to be in a marginalized group. Crossdressers are also a marginalized group that should be accepted as normal in society.
And who said otherwise?
I'm just saying they are not part of LGBT+, which they are not if they are straight and cis.
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@Hilidaris said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3045807#Comment_3045807
The last paragraph sum it all honestly.
Why rejecting people from where they belong so they can fight under the same flag for a common cause
Because that's what being an ally is. It still doesn't make you part of a marginalized group.
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@Mooks said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3045805#Comment_3045805
and? where is the harm in that? You also have cisgender gay and transgender straight people in the same group here without any problems.
By that logic we can all be in the same groups? Can white people be included in groups for POC? Can able bodied people be included in groups for the disabled?
I'm sorry but groups exist for a reason and accepting people who don't belong to it defeats the purpose of them.
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@GoodBoyKaru said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3045357#Comment_3045357
I'd like to make an addendum to this comment if that's okay, to better clarify what I mean.
I don't think that people who cross-dress face zero retaliation, discrimination, prejudice, etc. I'm almost certain, in fact, that most people who cross-dress will receive hatred for whatever reason.
However, to me, the LGBT community (I do mean the entire acronym here, however I write LGBT and have done for years because it's quicker and easier and my brain moves faster than I can type so being able to write anything shorter is always welcome) revolves around gender identity and sexuality. Not gender expression, but gender identity. So if you cross-dress, you're expressing your gender in whatever way makes you feel most comfortable, and you most likely don't want to stop because it helps you feel like you. You technically could but it wouldn't feel authentic, like I technically could date a woman but it wouldn't feel authentic and I wouldn't be happy.
But I don't think gender expression alone makes it into the LGBT acronym. I'm almost certain they're allies, and their support is invaluable considering the climate we currently exist in, but they aren't within that community imho unless they're also gay, bi, lesbian, trans, pan, etc.
However this then all depends on how you define "queer". To some, cross-dressing is classed as queer whilst to others it isn't.
The comment wasn't made to minimise the struggles that people who cross-dress face, so please don't interpret it that way.
I hope this can help clear up my viewpoint and get my opinion across better - I'm always open to a discussion, so long as it is a discussion, but like I mentioned prior I guess it all comes down to how you define "queer" in the context of LGBTQ+.
There's a lot of overlap between drag, cross-dressing, and LGBT identities. They aren't however completely interlinked, and you can do drag/cross-dress without being part of the LGBT community.
Queer simply means not cisgender/straight.
Queer is a word that describes sexual and gender identities other than straight and cisgender.So a crossdresser who is straight and cis is not queer.
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@Mooks said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3045794#Comment_3045794
You are the only one making comparisons to trans here.
no one ever implied that it’s comparable at all and no one denied that discrimination against trans people is worse than against drag.
No, you people are the ones comparing drag queens and crossdressers, even when they are cisgender and straight, saying they belong in the same group as LGBT+ people.
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@OnryosTapeRentals said:
Cross-dressing and drag on their own are not inherently LGBTQ+.
Cross-dressing and drag are artforms that have strong LINKS with the queer community and our history, but engaging in them doesn't automatically make you LGBTQ+. There are lots of cishet people who enjoy things like cross-dressing and drag too.
The LGBTQ+ community is about sexuality and gender identities, not lifestyle choices IMO.
I'm really confused why this is even a debate tbh.
Finally someone ######### sane. Thanks.
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And with all this nonsense I'm out.
It's more important to silence a trans person to defend straight cisgender men who like wearing women's clothes.
And people wonder why these threads never go anywhere, always the same people defending the same nonsense because they want to be quirky while at the same time telling actual LGBT+ people they are wrong.
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@SuzuKR said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3045769#Comment_3045769
It's almost like the reason they don't do crossdress openly is because doing so can get them physically/verbally/emotionally abused. And that wearing clothes that they feel don't fit them can cause active distress? Clothes are a huge part of identity. Whether or not they are LGBT+ is irrelevant and besides the point. They are a discriminated minority that cannot help the fact they like the clothes they do.
Are goths LGBTQIA+ then? I mean they cant help liking goth clothes, and a lot of people discriminate against goths so. No logic
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@SpiritedSalsa said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3045777#Comment_3045777
Okay, thanks for explaining what you mean.
I don't have anything against crossdressers, what I have a problem with is straight cis people wanting to be part of a marginalized group just because they like to wear different clothes.
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@Hilidaris said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3045772#Comment_3045772
You're not a drag so how can you be so sure that it's as simple as just wanting to wear clothes that are from the other gender ?
But I am trans so I pretty much know what a drag queen is. It's not the same.
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@SpiritedSalsa said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3045758#Comment_3045758
Just out of curiosity, but how do you feel about gay, bi, pan, etc, crossdressers?
If they are gay/bi/pan/trans/etc they are LGBTQIA+. That's what makes them part of it, not crossdressing.
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@Hilidaris said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3045760#Comment_3045760
you're not the first one trying to knock some sense into him and you probably won't be the last, good luck with that
It's not sense when you are advocating for a straight cis guy to be part of LGBTQIA+ just because he prefers to wear thongs instead of boxers. It's pathetic.
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@Mooks said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3045745#Comment_3045745
No. Crossdressers can’t choose it like that. That’s what i have tried to tell you several times. They don’t choose to be like that. Why would anyone want to choose to like to wear clothing that would lead to actual discrimination against them? Why do they do often do it not in public?
it’s important for me because I don’t like discrimination like this. They are a marginalized group. They evidently even get discriminated by other marginalized groups.
why do you feel the need to exclude them when it’s clear this is about gender stereotypes, discrimination, people that can’t choose who they are etc?
Who is forcing these crossdressers to wear certain clothes?
You can choose to be a crossdresser, just wear clothes that are for your gender. It's literally not a brain thing.
That's like saying furries can't choose to be furries, they ARE forced to wear fursuits. Please, this is ridiculous.
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Well can't the same thing be applied to you tho? It's an online game, don't like the LGBT+ inclusion don't play it.
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@GoodBoyKaru said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3045344#Comment_3045344
Except, they're not. Allies are not part of the acronym (the A stands for Aromantic/Asexual). CisHet people can do drag, that's fine, and in doing so they have helped the LGBT+ community quite a bit, but they are not part of the community for they are not part of the acronym. They're allies, yes, but they are not discriminated upon because of their sexuality or gender identity.
Drag is optional. LGBT+ existence is not. And while I'm sure everyone appreciates their contribution, it's important to recognise that there is an overlap but they are not the same.
@GannTM said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3045748#Comment_3045748
Yeah because people ALWAYS take things out of context, so I don’t see the issue there.
I didnt take it out of context. A straight cisgender man who likes to wear woman's clothing isnt LGBTQIA+.
Quoted Karu since he explained it pretty well imo and I'm tired of explaining why straight cis people aren't LGBTQIA+ just because they decide to wear different clothes.
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@GannTM said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3045735#Comment_3045735
Tshirts and sweaters aren’t identified as a clothing for only one gender and not the other. Crossdressing only applies to trying on clothes that identity as opposite sex clothing.
And it’s not a choice whether you like certain clothing. That applies to anything. Did I choose to not find bananas tasty or something? I know food isn’t an LGBT+ thing and I’m not claiming that, it’s just an analogy.
You cant choose what clothes you like but you can choose which clothes you wear.
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@Mooks said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3045722#Comment_3045722
I never said „clothes have no gender“. And while the guy might be able to stop wearing those clothes, it doesn’t change the fact that he has a ‚desire‘ of sorts to wear those clothes and not his gender typical clothing. It’s not like some guy just doing it for fun once or for a costume party or whatever.
you really need to be more open-minded.
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3045731#Comment_3045731
No one said you are the same as a crossdresser.
an asexual person isn’t the same as a pansexual person who isn’t the same as a transsexual person. But all of these are part of the LGBTQ+ community. You are literally only ever talking about LGBT, but always disregarding the + (which isn’t just QIA2S btw, even for that acronym there is a +)
Crossdressers aren't LGBTQIA+. No one in LGBTQIA+ chooses to be who or what they are. Crossdressers CHOOSE to be crossdressers. Crossdressers can just go outside and wear their basic clothes and no one cares. I cant go outside and stop being trans/gay/bi/ace/whatever else.
If you aren't a crossdresser, idk why it is so important to prove to me, someone who is both bi and trans, that crossdressers need to be included in a marginalized group.
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@GannTM said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3045722#Comment_3045722
I don’t think you can just choose to like certain clothing. It’s not that simple. The clothing just naturally makes you feel comfortable, and cross dressers do get discriminated against. Trans definitely get more discriminated against and I won’t deny that, but I don’t think it’s fair to say cross dressers shouldn’t also get some kind of representation too.
I also think sweaters are more comfortable than tshirts, that doesnt make me a discriminated minority.
Furries also get discriminated against, that doesn't make them LGBT+.
You can choose your clothes and you can choose to be a crossdresser, you can't choose to be trans/gay/bi/lesbian/ace
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@Mooks said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3045718#Comment_3045718
Take your time and put in the + if you are talking about the community. But as far as I have seen you are not talking about the whole community.
Also, you have implied it already several times so I am gonna say it here now: I am NOT a crossdresser nor drag queen at all and I don’t need them to be part of the community to feel included. Don’t know why you have to imply that..
Yes I'm talking about the whole community.
LGBT+ people cant choose to not be LGBT+. Crossdressers can choose what clothes they put on. We aren't the same.
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@Mooks said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3045712#Comment_3045712
A straight cis man who likes to wear his wifes clothes is not a discriminated minority.
The same way a straight cis man who likes to dress as a woman for drag shows isn't a discriminated minority.
actually both are being discriminated against AND minorities.. though that’s not the definition that determines who is part of the LGBTQ+ community and who isn’t.
What does is sexuality and gender.
But you guys love to say "clothes have no gender" but then they suddenly do when it comes to crossdressers.
The guy wearing his wife's clothes can you know, just stop wearing them, I cant stop being trans. So no, people like that dont belong in the same group as people like me and other LGBT+ people who don't have a choice.
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@SuzuKR said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3045712#Comment_3045712
I’m just gonna make a correction here. Cross dressing isn’t a kink only. People can just like wearing other clothes. It is not inherently sexual. And people that cross dress absolutely face discrimination. Clothes being gendered in the first place is stupid anyways.
Even if it isnt a kink only, if you are straight and cis, crossdressing still doesn't make you part of LGBTQIA+
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@Mooks said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3045680#Comment_3045680
I never said that. I explicitly stated that crossdressers are not part of LGBT people but part of the LGBTQ+ (notice the +)-community. You just have tried to twist my words
and the website I linked isn’t created by me in any way.
when i say LGBT i mean LGBTQ+. Straight cisgender crossdressers are not part of LGBTQ+.
Want to be a crossdresser? Fine, but stop acting like you belong in a marginalized group. Want to feel included go to fetlife or something
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@GannTM said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3045700#Comment_3045700
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3045702#Comment_3045702
Well I guess that’s fair. Although idk if LGBT is just for sexualities. I may be wrong.
LGBT is for sexuality and gender minorities, it isnt a catch all for kinks and whatever else.
A straight cis man who likes to wear his wifes clothes is not a discriminated minority.
The same way a straight cis man who likes to dress as a woman for drag shows isn't a discriminated minority.
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@GannTM said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3045680#Comment_3045680
How aren’t cross-dressers LGBT?
how is a cisgender hetero man who likes to wear woman's clothes LGBT?
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@GannTM said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3045474#Comment_3045474
I’ve heard of the term before but I never knew who drag queens and kings really were. Reading that informed me more about it, so thanks for sharing. I’d say they’re definitely a valid part of LGBT+.
Please dont get informed from that link. That is the same person who says crossdressers are LGBT.
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@Brokenbones said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3045327#Comment_3045327
I don't get it, it's a hobby/lifestyle choice right?
I don't get why people are asking for that (drag) in the game, any idea?
I dont get it either, You can choose to go to a show and do drag but you cant choose to be lesbian, gay, trans, queer.
@Cryptikk said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3045327#Comment_3045327
maddy morphosis is crying right now, you guys
It's sad that this is the second time I have to have this kind of conversation. Just the other day on here was someone arguing how straight cis crossdressers are LGBT. I'm done LOL
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@Hilidaris said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3045315#Comment_3045315
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3045316#Comment_3045316
it's not because it don't fit the way you see the lgbt community that they don't belong in it, the way you discriminate them is clearly the same people discriminate lgbt people.
I'm sure being a straight cisgender man who dresses like a woman for a show and then goes home to his girlfriend is very discriminated against. Boo hoo
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@Hilidaris said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3045307#Comment_3045307
Then get to wikpedia to see how much they contributed for the lgbt community.
You mean gaybi/trans men doing drag? sure. straight cis people doing drag? no.
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@Hilidaris said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3045300#Comment_3045300
If you wish to be wrong it's your choice, not mine.
I'm not wrong, Cis straight people arent LGBT.
I'm tired of having people like you advocating for cis straight people and silencing actual LGBT+ people just because you want to be included so bad.
Trans people like myself, specially trans men have barely any representation in media and here you are trying to "educate" me on why a straight cis man who does drag for a show needs to be heard and included LOL no thanks
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@Hilidaris said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3045290#Comment_3045290
You just need to go to wikipedia to see why Drag queen are part of lgbt
A cis straight man isnt LGBT, idc if they do drag.
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So? Mind telling me what's included in that? Is a straight cis man doing drag LGBT+? No
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@Deme said:
please dont put politics in the game
How is being gay/lesbian/trans politics? Is being straight politics?
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@UnknownKiller said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3045259#Comment_3045259
Im not comparing it Im talking to add a drag queen character.Of course are different.
Yea but where is the D in LGBT for drag queens? being a drag queen doesnt make you LGBT.
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@UnknownKiller said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3045253#Comment_3045253
Thats a good idea maybe a Drag queen character?
No. Trans people arent drag queens. Dont compare it.
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I hope it's not more gays/lesbian, those are already over represented in media. I hope they add a trans character, but don't make that character just about that.
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I want someone to make an outfit for Jeff ffs
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I hope someday a male survivor gets to win the community cosmetic.....
That Yui one is ok, if there weren't other outfits already that look exactly like that (mostly nea's). Boring
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My survivor q times are instant during the day and at night and killer q times are slow during the day and instant at night.
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@StibbityStabbity said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3043545#Comment_3043545
So, if killers are performing below expectation against the entirety of survivors, and a portion of survivors are underperforming, which would you try and fix first? An underperforming portion of a population that is, overall, performing better than should be average, or an entire population that is performing beneath expectations?
Honest question.
You don't have to "fix" something first.
You can buff killers at the same rate you improve solo q.
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@dugman said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3043523#Comment_3043523
They actually did show the graph below of escape rates by party size a couple of years ago. Basically there's historically a net 10% survival rate difference between survivors in solo queue and ones in 4-person swfs.
Yea, a couple years ago, we're in 2022 with complete different perks + killers.
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Not difficult to go against but it makes my eyes water from how dark it is. I'm glad I barely go against it.
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@Tsulan said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3043489#Comment_3043489
And in the real world... or did you miss the part where the devs said, that kill rates are below expectations. Which would be 50%?
The devs said, and conveniently forgot to show graph stats for it? Kinda weird on how we always get graphs for every stats, we even had for most used perks, but we didnt get one showing that survivors had above 50% escape rate. Which I believe they do maybe, but die to solo q? No. Solo Q is already under 50%.
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@Tsulan said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3043365#Comment_3043365
How is solo queue unbearable, when solo survivors have a above 50% escape rate?!
Solo Q players have an above 50% escape rate in your head yes
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@Johnny_XMan said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3043422#Comment_3043422
Not if this means that for whatever reason they feel the need to buff killers when they don’t need to.
Because then you’ll end up with that kind of bad teammate and an overpowered killer that shouldn’t be.
They already buffed killers with nothing for solo q so I dont see what you mean?
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@Johnny_XMan said:
I said it before and I’ll say it again.
If buffing solo means guaranteeing me that I will be paired up with a competent player. Then sure let them buff. If it means that we will have built in kindred so I can watch their aura crouching around doing nothing, I don’t want it. Thanks
I'd rather have one of the two than nothing at all
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@Meadow said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3043411#Comment_3043411
We are getting legacy charms right?
No, we are getting a piss looking filter on the survivor/killer portraits
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It looks like piss
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It was never a good idea.
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@Tsulan said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/3043131#Comment_3043131
Didn't ignore it. But do you really think that there would still be a killer base left?
Let's crunch some numbers for the sake of the argument.
Kill rate is expected to be around 50%. Devs explaining that it's actually below expectations, means that it's probably somewhere around 40-45% (give or take a couple percent). So if SWF has a 15% higher escape rate and you want to bring solos to SWF levels. Then we'll end up with a kill rate around 25-30%.
Devs are cautious, when it's about interpreting data. So changes would take between 3 to 6 months before they go live.
Do you really think, killers would be motivated to stick around, if they get 1k for a prolonged period?
*disclaimer: the above numbers are a rough estimate and could actually be (much) lower or (slightly) higher. But have to be lower than 50%.
So why is it bad for killer players to wait for buffs because "no killers would be left" but it is totally fine to make solo q unbearable?
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Do whatever you want. You shouldnt be asking people on a forum what you should do in a video game.