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Not particularly.
I think Wesker is one of the best designed killers in the game, my most played killer behind Nurse was Myers, though I rarely ever play killer now.
I actually despise more of the non licenced killers like Knight, Twins and Trickster.
Edit to add a positive contrast: I think the design team do an AMAZING job even if I personally hate the killer. Knight looks incredible and his theme music is just great… I just loathe versing the killer. Killers like Artist and Dark Lord look fantastic and have great music and overall design, even if I don't enjoy versing them personally.
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@JawsIsTheNextKiller said:
Unfortunately popular streamers love gun and dash killers and I think that is the cause of the current lack of variety.
I'd love them to rework Freddy and give him a modern take on his v1 version. It was unique and fit his character carefully.
Revert Skull merchant to v2.0. Survivors are going to DC no matter what you do with Skull Merchant so mayas well give her fans the character they enjoy.
Springtrap I was hoping for a jumpscare killer like the soon to be gone Scratched Mirror Myers set in an indoor map.
OG Freddy was really unique in retrospect, I would prefer a variation on that over the modern one, that is for sure
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In part, simply because they are out of ideas as in many ways they have already done everything good. So to keep selling new DLC they have to come up with variations on what has already been done but the trouble is in reality they often end up very unfun to play against.
Pretty much every killer I loathe versing is from the last couple of years.
I miss the early days of mostly M1 killers, I really hate killers like Knight or Twins etc that all but eliminate the fun part for most of us long term players - looping
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@Calebs_tobacco said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3933109#Comment_3933109
I encountered these lag spikes just over the past day, something I’ve noticed when checking task manager whilst in a match is that the cpu is hitting 100% use, this isn’t normal for me & has only started after these lag spikes appeared in my game
I don't have that problem with CPU usage but I do have a pretty high end PC (7800X3D, 4090 etc). My issues are very obviously server sided lag issues and desync where my character is not where the server thinks my character is.
This is being compounded by unethical killers abusing ping and playing on our servers with 300ms or more ping, making for very unfun combination of server and player latency problems.
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I will say it again:
DELETE LEGION completely and NERF ONI if they insist on keeping him in 2v8.
Oni completely ruins this iteration, as does Legion and it isn't even them combined it is just self evident by the fact Oni is in power almost the entire match - clearly this is not right at all.
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Two games in a row… Killer with nearly 300ms ping!!!
How is this even allowed?
Trying to outplay a killer with 300 ping is extremely difficult and getting hit 5 feet around a corner and from behind a killer is super frustrating and just plain unfair.
I get that some people are not near a server but to have 300ms ping, you have to be playing from almost the other side of the planet.
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I very much doubt people are going to give up their Dead Hard or some other meta part of their build for a luck or unhooking perk, as these are usually used with a specific purpose/agenda in match.
Look, I think they had to do something about going next but the reality is if someone wants out of a match they will do other more subtle things to get out of a match. Playing intentionally poorly etc
We will see how it works out but I think ultimately it just delays a doomed match but wont make people actively want to participate fully in a match they desperately want out of.
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Yeah I have extreme lag spikes and teleport every so often while the server catches up with my actual position on the map. My ping is often significantly higher than normal on 2v8 too.
I think the servers cant really handle 2v8 and it causes a lot of problems.
I can imaging it's going to be rough if FNAF brings in as many people as we suspect it will do
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I really hope not, I hope they limit any voicelines to the lobby for your character only. They are just annoying in game as they are only very limited so the same ones are repeated, which gets annoying real fast.
They don't need them and I sure don't want them.
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Repeating myself but Legion and Oni man… completely ruin 2v8 for me. Legion needs to go and Oni needs to be nerfed if they continue to use him.
I do appreciate not having full slowdown builds in 2v8 and I would love to see a move away from 4 slowdown builds to something more base game. Getting the same gen hit with Pain Res and Surge along with having to wait around for DMS and Grim is a tedious experience it is refreshing not to have in 2v8
But yeah, Legion almost every match is just too much for me
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@Akumakaji I do think that if all survivors have abandoned, the killer should not have to run around picking up bots and should be able to surrender for sure. That is the one change I would make.
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Abandon was one of the best things they ever added
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RNG.
RNG goes both ways but as killer sometimes you load in and map RNG is just not on your side. It is probably the best it has been as some of the tile spawns in the old days were just plain nasty.
But losing against people who are clearly not on the same skill level, simply because the gods of RNG dealt you a bad hand, is something I could never really get past and its one of the many reasons I rarely play killer now.
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@Gh0st2317 said:
What if BHVR can add penalties to players having 200+ ping? It gets annoying when you're against a killer who has 200+ ping, and they still land hits although they shouldn't have been registered. Just gives an unfair advantage tbh as Killers are mainly the hosts...
Killers aren't hosts, they used to be in the early days as DBD was P2P and that was painful, as if the killer had terrible internet the entire lobby suffered and there was also a lot of lag switching to gain advantage.
The problem with going into matches as killer on dedicated servers is (unless I am very much mistaken) killer hits take priority, so if the server registers a killer hitting you, then you go down. Doesn't matter if on your screen they are 20 feet away from you or you're around a corner etc
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@Reinami said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3931244#Comment_3931244
See my above post.
I have coming up to 7k hours in this game, I don't need to be told how to verse Legion. Completely missing the point
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@Rokku_Rorru said:
Yeah I'd like to just see the red ping indicator like it shows for survivors in lobby, it's only fair.
Yeah I am sick of going into a match and the killer is playing from literally the other side of the world from where I am and they have up to 300ms ping.
It is actually incredibly unfair and should not be allowed in the first place, but at least allow us to avoid this pointless experience
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I very much do not enjoy versing the Ghoul either, just not fun
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@SoGo said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3931009#Comment_3931009
I think a similar kind of lighting as in these could work, if it was made a smidge darker (bit after the sunset so you can't see it anymore, but it's still not pitch-black, like Dead Dawg), and fog was added in, (since TCM has no fog anywhere) it could look good.
I want a return to night time either way, don't know why they decided the middle of the day with brilliant sunshine is ideal for a horror game.
Again, no hate on the artists as that is one thing DBD really does excel at
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@Reinami said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/445821/mending-mending-mending
It takes longer to apply mending then it does to get rid of it.
What lol?!
It is a literal zero skill single hit that takes a less than a second and worse still, the second you have mended they can be back on you to force you to do it again. It is beyond tedious and as General said, Legion in 2v8 was a mistake, a BIG mistake
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@Reinami said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3930807#Comment_3930807
If its only affecting the really good nemesis players, they are also only going against really good survivor players.
Ultimately though, do you balance the game around what the better players are capable of doing? Or the average skill players?
You absolutely balance around the average skill level rather than the top 1%, not a fun reality if you are in the top percent of players but I understand that if you balance for the tiny minority, the game dies very quickly
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@Langweilig said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3931009#Comment_3931009
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3931012#Comment_3931012
Maps having a horror vibe again would be awesome. Behavior needs to make an update for dedicated to athmosphere.
How do you feel about the desert realm? I‘m fine with it, but I wished you couldn‘t look as far.
You know, I dislike Eryie and while I think the graphic design team yet again did an amazing job, I dislike the Forsaken Boneyard realm in general for the exact reason you mention.
I want to play a horror game, this map does not have a horror feel at all to me and the view distance is one big factor.
I mostly only play survivor these days too and while these maps may be favourable to me, again I appreciate ambience over a map being specifically survivor sided
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@GeneralV said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3931016#Comment_3931016
Indeed, my dear friend, I feel like the aesthetic and horror vibe was really hurt by the map reworks, Coldwind is the one that suffered most but it isn't the only one either.
The game would benefit from actually making an effort to be scary, as it used to.
100% agree. I was absolutely terrified when I first started DBD lol
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This has been asked for since SWF became a thing and they have not done it. I would not hold your breath, they clearly have no intention of doing this.
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@GeneralV said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3931009#Comment_3931009
Honestly, same, my friend. And I would like to have the Fog back, actual Fog from the early days.
Agree, so much of the dark and gloomy horror vibe has been lost and while the updated graphics did get really dark at ultra settings, with the default gamma being a lot higher I think they could afford to bring back some of the night time ambience. Ya know, like a horror game lol
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@SoGo said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3930875#Comment_3930875
Sure thing!
https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/VCY04TQ0GYD2/img-20250522-172501.jpg
https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/9JBD6RBLCD2Q/img-20250522-172423.jpg
Add in a bit more fog, and you are set.
I really think this would look great.
I want it to be set at night again, not in the day with brilliant sunlight. Daylight kills the horror vibe imo
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I want 2v8 to end simply because of Legion and Oni.
Otherwise I would be more than fine with it staying for 2 weeks but Legion and Oni completely ruin this iteration and I cant even play normal games as the queues are so scuffed because of 2v8 where I am
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I sorely miss old Coldwind, I don't know why they made this realm in the middle of the bright sunlight so it feels like mid summer.
Coldwind was my favourite realm on either side, just because of the vibe.
I have such fond memories of early DBD, SWFing with friends until dawn in the overwhelming humidity of summer, while the dark golden skies of Coldwind set the mood. Then as dawn came I would head to bed and watch No0b3, Monto or Puppers etc to send me off to sleep.
They ruined Coldwind, it broke my heart
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@Nazzzak said:
Gotta agree. I don't think one has ever kept me from being hit or losing the killer
They have worked many times for me, drop it and just calmly walk around a corner before running and it works really well… most times.
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@Memesis said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3930823#Comment_3930823
Killer queues are easily 10 minutes and up US west, evening time when I'm able to play.
Yeah regular queues are messed up here in OCE and it is the same handful of sweatlords playing killer in regular mode, so it is super unfun other than you will find matches as survivor. Forget trying to play killer though, unless you like 10 minute queues and try 20 - 40 minutes if you want to play killer in 2v8.
A massive problem is LEGION AND ONI.
Legion should never be in 2v8 at all and needs to be removed completely in future versions. Oni would be tolerable with significant nerfs but as it is, Oni is almost always in power the entire time which is just utterly ridiculous and should never have gone live in the first place.
I feel like less people want to play survivor because of LEGION AND ONI and puts more people in the killer queue.
I hope to God BHVR hears this loud and clear, though I am pretty black pilled on that, as they brought Legion back and added Oni in his current state in the first place.
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I gather you have not been playing this game for that long, as the game has never been more killer sided than ever before.
Maps have been nerfed (made significantly smaller), gen repair times nerfed (increased) loops have been nerfed and second chance perks are very situational and have all been nerfed (as they should have been btw). You would have really hated pre-2020 DBD if you think killers have it rough now.
There are also random nerfs to survivor that I rarely see spoken about; they added a lot of weird ass loops that are incredibly awkward to navigate and ultimately very unsafe (think Nostromo/Toba), they removed a vast number of loops off maps and replaced connecting tiles with incredibly unsafe pallets that literally come down to a 50/50 mind game.
They also placed a lot of random junk to get stuck on in loops and I cant count the number of times recently where I get stuck on literally nothing, just something makes my movement almost stop for no apparent reason.
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Removing Legion and nerfing Oni would at least help.
Nobody wants to play against Legion back to back, it is just irritating beyond belief and ruins 2v8 completely. I just want it over at this point so we can go back to normal queues.
I would be happy to play survivor only too, just Legion man, ruins it completely
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Legion needs to be removed completely from 2v8, there is no place for them in this mode and they will always be a problem due to their inherent design. The same way Twins and SM will always be unfun because their design inevitably creates unfun game play.
Oni needs major nerfs, I can tolerate Oni in 2v8 but not as he is. In the current state of 2v8, he is in power almost the entire match if the killers have half a brain. This creates an absolutely absurd situation that should never occur - Oni is far too strong in power to be constantly in that power
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It's kind of hard to believe this was ever a thing in this game eh?
Man it felt so bad when that happened as killer, was fun times for survivor though but woefully unfair
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I am not a huge fan, I think the buffs to his tentacle made it ridiculously strong but ONLY if the player is good with the killer and knows the extreme limits of what the tentacle can do. In those cases, the range feels a bit too long.
That being said, I would take Nemi over Knight, Trickster or Twins on any day of the week
EDIT: I also have to add, did they give him a really massive hinder effect in 2v8 that I am sure isn't present in the normal mode? I absolutely LOATHE hinder as a status but I swear this is not part of normal Nemi game play, right?
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Okay I get your point regarding generators but that is just bad luck really.
They work really well otherwise
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Legion needs to be REMOVED completely from this mode, some killers are just not suited to 2v8 and Legion is one. Not just adjusted for next time, completely REMOVED.
It's so infuriating, I just had a match where I got hit 7 times before I just could not do it anymore and I admit I just took the DC penalty. Not advocating this but I am really struggling to keep playing with Legion in this mode.
It does not matter how much better you are at the game compared to the Legion player, you are almost always going to get hit so there is little point even running and wasting pallets is just stupid against frenzy. I am at the point I don't even bother moving and just accept that I will be mending again… and again… and again.
Nothing feels worse than your skill being meaningless, Legion takes ZERO skill to get frenzy hits
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@MechWarrior3 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3930230#Comment_3930230
Protip, if you hop in a locker, he has to cancel his power to get you.
Bruh
@Falcao said:
I asked about it in the previous 2 vs 8. I was immediately attacked with insults by the Legion players. Capcom gave a lot of money so that Legion in the Hank skin would be in the mode. It remains to add Plague so that there are no survs left in this mode.
I am really surprised they brought Legion back again tbh, especially when they also added Oni to the mode. It really leaves me shaking my head in disbelief that they did this and I really wonder how much they play tested this?
Even just on the face of it, Legion and Oni together is obviously a really bad idea
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@ToadMagic said:
Protip, if you drop a pallet on his head it cancels his power.
Bruh…
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If it gives you an advantage in game that is not available to others and was not an intended feature implemented by the developers - yes it is cheating.
There is no debate here.
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@JawsIsTheNextKiller said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3930131#Comment_3930131
In a 1vs 1 you might be right. But telling one person what to do in 1 vs 8 when the other 7 are all mending is surely missing the point.
Exactly, you get it.
Now in a normal 1v4 with Legion, they get the free injures as usual but they still have to win mind games and outplay to get the down. Mending is tedious of course but balanced out by the fact the Legion has nothing after that free tag.
When a second killer is in play… the entire dynamic changes.
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@Ragna_Rock said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3930130#Comment_3930130
Pre run? Force Pallet stun? Body block? 99 the mend? Like there is plenty you can do against him.
Tell me you don't understand the problem without telling me you don't understand the problem. I will ignore future replies as I should not have to explain the same thing over and over.
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@drag27 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3930117#Comment_3930117
Legion doesnt take the highest skill to use his power even in 2v8 but it takes more than "zero skill" that is the real objective fact.
Legion in 2v8 actually turns it into a 1v8 since all the legion is doing is doing frenzy on everyone and not getting downs. But even if he does focus getting downs it should give survivors downtime to mend and heal unless nerf'd healing in 2v8. Doesnt matter if you find mending back to back infuriating, you are facing the legion, you have to mend. Shouldnt be that difficult to get 2 or more other survivors to heal you unless all of you survivors in 2v8 dont think about healing teammates.
Actually it does, you make a bad play you suffer for it. You see people getting deep wound you run to the other side of the map, even tho Legion's frenzy duration has been increased, the maps are bigger than the 1v4 versions. Again takes more than zero skill. You say you dont care about the other killers, we'll see if they do remove legion from 2v8 (hopefully they dont, maybe some light nerfs next time), and hopefully you wont make the same posts about Oni/Slinger/Blight
I really don't think you understand the macro, so I wont bother replying further as you clearly don't understand.
Legion takes ZERO SKILL to get injures, that is just a fact. Doesn't matter if the Legion has 10 hours on DBD and you have 10,000 - they get the free hit because your skill doesn't matter. You're just resorting to strawman arguments regarding other killers, as I never made any such statement so you can argue that one out with yourself.
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@drag27 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3929981#Comment_3929981
just remember if you dont have killers, you dont got a match and gens fly pretty quick in this mode with no type of gen stall save for kicking. So whether survivors despise it or not, some killers like legion are design the way they are in 2v8 and are needed not that legion is needed in every match.
the funny thing is: is that survivors will call anything the killer does that inconveniences them "broken". As for the "zero skill" statement, unless you just have to push 1 button and do nothing to injure them, its just childish to say legion takes no skill.
So let me ask you this: If they do remove legion from this mode are you going to be quiet about removing any other killers, are you going to try and adapt anytime killers give you problems, are you going to take accountability for your bad plays or just learn to take the L and realize its not the end of the world if you lost?
Legion takes zero skill to get injures for free in frenzy, that is an objective fact. As survivor, you just get hit and it doesn't matter that I am nearing 7k hours in DBD… I just get 'outplayed' with zero skill involved from the killer.
Now in a normal match, Legion gets free injures but they still have to chase you down. Not so in 2v8, they instead turn the other killer into an insta-down killer. Huntress has perma Iri Head and so on. Not only that but mending simulator is unbelievably tedious and facing it back to back is infuriating. I should not even have to point out the problem with zero skill free injures when Oni is also involved.
It has nothing to do with my "bad plays" - there is no outplaying frenzy, it takes zero skill. I guarantee I am better than 99% of players out there just from pure experience. I don't care about other killers, LEGION ruins 2v8 as I already made very clear.
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I have noticed with this mode that sometimes I get thrown into servers randomly where I have 180ms ping, when my usual ping is at worst 15ms and as low as 8ms as I must live right by the server in my area.
I don't mind survivors using a VPN as in my experience this makes it harder for the survivor, as you get hit through windows and pallets and cant greed any loops. But high ping killers seem to have a very clear and obvious advantage and there are a lot of unethical players who intentionally exploit this by playing way outside their region.
I will sound biased here… but I think killers should have ping limits of 100ms and survivors a far looser limit (180ms)
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Yeah I am okay with this at the end game in this mode, there is nothing left to play for as far as the killers are concerned. So they want to keep someone for a mori. I am fine with killers getting bit of end game boost as chances are if it matter so them, they probably desperately need it
Sucks to be the one who gets caught but you can always abandon if you're last
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@GeneralV said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3929696#Comment_3929696
To be fair, I can confidently say I was very happy with DBD before July of 2019, back then I really had no complaints about it.
But back to the topic at hand, I think the complaints here are justified. Especially regarding Legion, this killer just kills the fun in 2v8.
2019 DBD was the GOAT for me, it was kinda broken and janky but that jank also gave it soul and it was so much fun.
I think they improved a lot, at the expense of a lot of that soul (I still miss the old Coldwind maps) but I do think some things would not work now in modern DBD… a long list I am sure many could add to.
I think 2v8 can be immense fun… but Legion man, just ruins it completely.
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@drag27 said:
Sorry but just because you or a few others dont find him fun to go against in this mode, doesnt mean he needs to be removed
I think you will find the vast majority of the player base, survivors, despise having Legion in this mode.
The only reason killers like it is because he is completely broken in 2v8 and is an 'easy mode' killer that takes zero skill to get survivors injured.
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I guess it would make sense end game and I am totally fine with that but I am not sure why they removed it altogether.
It can and in my experience most definitely has made tunnelling off hook (cage) a lot more accessible to killers who resort to that.
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@Royval said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3929627#Comment_3929627
I don’t think Oni takes skill at all in 2v8 honestly
In 2v8 most of his work is done for him, especially combined with Legion as he has an endless supply of blood so he can pretty much remain in power then entire match.
Oni in normal matches isn't quite as easy as he looks but in 2v8 I feel he is completely broken as he currently is.
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@HeroLives said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3929635#Comment_3929635
me playing oni for the first time yesterday and missing all my hits but one after reading this.
Its okay, I am a bad Oni player too lol.
I did his achievements and never really touched him again but I also am someone who absolutely refuses to use extreme DPI settings etc just for flicks.