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I actually thought a gun would be a cool survivor tool/weapon.Master said:@XxAtomicAlfiexX said:
mike needs a nerf, i think his movement speed should decrease the higher tier he is not the opposite way around, when he leaves tier 3 he should go back to tier 1 and when he goes up a tier his terror radius should increase. this would make it so survivors have a chance against mike. i'm aware that survivors have an upper hand against killers but mike is plain stupid to play against.Yeah every killer should be at the power level of freddy.
Maybe hand out some guns too, the devs are from canada after all....
I often can get so close to a survivor that I can hit them with my knife/axe/blade or spiked club that it would be nice if they could keep me back.
It could work like a flashlight...only a gun. Maybe every 2 or 3 hits would stun me or knock me back (like in the movies!)similar to what a pallet does to me...only it could be done anywhere.....at any time!
That way, I wouldn't have the chance to hit the survivors with my weapon and they would have a fair chance.
I think guns would balance out how OP Myers is. And lore....Loomis shot him in that really old movie my grandparents talk about.... -
Let's discuss racism, social injustice and its deep seated causes...
On a dead by daylight forum!
Any takers? (I know at least one....And Might....it's not you!)
Can we talk Black Panther and the Marvel universe for a minute? A black human torch is "ok" but would a white Black Panther be ok too? If Marvel wanted to promote a black character....There are myriad of awesome black characters we wouldn't have to white/backwash for "diversity"...
Blade (awesome)
Storm (awesome...but ok Fox owns it)
War Machine (an even MORE badass iron man!....aka: even more awesome than iron man!)
Why can't we keep awesome heroes awesome and leave their skin colors out of it!?
Oh...you want an lgbtq character!?...
Well...
Ok.
Marvel failed a little there.....Northstar?? Maybe???
The point is..well....wait....
When we start talking about race and fictional characters....especially those designed as a product of a certain era....(cough captain America cough)...we have to remember what that era was like and deemed as acceptable. Maybe it's not now, but it exists and we should learn from it.
Maybe future Leatherface films need him to wear more black people faces. And maybe future superheroes need to be more diverse....but why try to rewrite history? Let's focus on the future instead.
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This person just clearly has a chip on his/her shoulder and is (for some reason ) choosing this forum to fight for social injustice. No amount of logic or reason can help him/her.ChesterTheMolester said:
You still haven't proven that Claudette face is the same as Blackface.Ayeknill_lava said:@Attackfrog said:
I have had many discussions in real life with educated people about these very ideas. In fact, in some ways, I used to think like you. But Then I started learning and reading....from real educators. I actually began to seek more knowledge, unlike you....who claim to know everything. How does the saying go...
"Trust those that seek the truth and be wary of those that claim to have it"
Telling me to get my teeth ripped out and insulting me tells me exactly how much growing up you have to do yet. I encourage you to do just that, and if you are so passionate, take just one sociology class when you're old enough to go to college.
In the mean time, good luck.
You can say all you want. Who are you? no one knows. for all I know you're bathing in your own feces when you can say you're bathing in rose water. Unlike you you choose to be small minded and narrow minded defending black face is wrong and disgusting. You're just quoting some googled quote acting like you know everything when you're definitely a troll. No one cares how you portrait yourself because in reality people do resort to violence and when they have had enough they will act and I am grown unlike you where you think everyone shits flowers and tosses bouquets at each other in Bleach world. I have taken sociology and other classes before. You are just small minded take a seat and drink bleach cause you are what you eat.
And let me doubt real hard that you have taken sociology classes, or you'd know by personally attacking him and associate him with his arguments as a person you are a taking the shortest path possible when it comes to not actually convincing people and just make a trench war worse.
I figured I would try...because why not....but clearly it's no use. I get that people have political differences and beliefs...but this getting beyond silly, right?
Still a fun read for anyone just joining in! -
LolAyeknill_lava said:!@Attackfrog said:
I have had many discussions in real life with educated people about these very ideas. In fact, in some ways, I used to think like you. But Then I started learning and reading....from real educators. I actually began to seek more knowledge, unlike you....who claim to know everything. How does the saying go...
"Trust those that seek the truth and be wary of those that claim to have it"
Telling me to get my teeth ripped out and insulting me tells me exactly how much growing up you have to do yet. I encourage you to do just that, and if you are so passionate, take just one sociology class when you're old enough to go to college.
In the mean time, good luck.
You can say all you want. Who are you? no one knows. for all I know you're bathing in your own feces when you can say you're bathing in rose water. Unlike you you choose to be small minded and narrow minded defending black face is wrong and disgusting. You're just quoting some googled quote acting like you know everything when you're definitely a troll. No one cares how you portrait yourself because in reality people do resort to violence and when they have had enough they will act and I am grown unlike you where you think everyone shits flowers and tosses bouquets at each other in a imaginary world or a "privileged" one like yours. if you are what you say you are then you are not educated and far off rude insulting my opinion and others saying that ours is not validated when we did have the "privilege" to have our colleges paid or worry about our family affairs rather than continue it. Do not degrade people due to their education or status in the world because that is down right rude. Not everyone has the same opportunities as others and as a "educated" person you so claim to be. Read your words wisely before entering what you type.
Right. Well,you sound like you have it all figured out. I am sure you would say those things to my face if I was standing in front of you too; you have made assumptions about me regardless of not "knowing anything about me" .
It's sad, I deal with people like you every day...And quite frankly, people like you are the ones that create the problems.
It's not your fault though; you just don't know any better. I hope some day you do. -
By your logic:BanAnnazX said:
You are literally saying that it’s okay that people use it with ill intentions. It doesn’t matter.... black face/whiteface/ yellowface.... they are all racially insensitive. In old Asian tv shows they used whiteface.... and that might not be an issue to you since you are a majority... but racism is racism. It doesn’t matter what race they or you are. It’s inappropriate. It should be removed.Attackfrog said:
Somehow insulting people who have a different opinion than you is ok though? Again, the racial double standard.BanAnnazX said:
As an Asian myself, we do have issues with yellow face being used in media. That’s why I’m encouraging to remove all masks. I’m tired of reading racist comment after a match. To sit here and say it’s not a real issue because it’s a game is ignorant. It’s an issue that’s many of us acknowledge and I’m sorry you few people commenting don’t have the brain capacity to understand that this shouldn’t even be included in the game.Tydie said:@Avariku said:
if claudettes face gets removed as a cosmetic option, I think it's only fair to remove all of them...
whites and asians aren't the only ones who deserve to have their faces cut off.Yes, they should. I don't recall leatherface ever wearing a black persons face in the movies. Also, asian people don't have a history with people mocking them by pretending to be their race by wearing a mask..
Let me ask you this, which nobody has answered yet:
Would it be ok if Leatherface was black instead of white?
We should ban cars too. People use th is a with ill intentions.
And kitchen kmives. Sometimes people use those to stab people.
And airplanes. We all know well the damage those can do. -
NOED is an important part of an end game build. I use it on doc all the ttime. I take time to hook plenty and burn through their lives, but when exit gates kick on, I rely on NOED to get those final hooks.
Doc relies on stretching the game out, building madness and NOED is a solid part of my build with him. It doesn't just reward bad killers, it rewards solid play for end game builds. -
It just happens so often in his movies....I think of it less like teleporting (like nurse) and more like....idk...reappearing lol?Visionmaker said:No more teleporting please. That's literally his dumbest, most unbelievable power.
Maybe he has to lose LoS first, so it's more like his movies.
Aside from that..I am not really sure what his powers would be. -
I have had many discussions in real life with educated people about these very ideas. In fact, in some ways, I used to think like you. But Then I started learning and reading....from real educators. I actually began to seek more knowledge, unlike you....who claim to know everything. How does the saying go...Ayeknill_lava said:@Attackfrog said:
I have said it before: it is not black face I am defending. You, like most professional victims, are choosing which part of my posts to read/digest.
Nowadays, when a movie or play requires a black character, they cast a black actor. Belittling someone for their skin color or appearance still happens, but it doesn't just happen to black folks. The purpose of Claudette s face in this game has literally nothing to do with blackface, aside from some racist folks trying to use it as such.
There is a double standard when it comes to media and race and what is considered racist and the causes are rooted far deeper than what you think you know (based on your posts, I am assuming very little), and I suggest, if you are as passionate about this subject as you are trying to portray, you do some reading from educated sociologists (some of which are also black, if you can even believe that!) and stop getting your information from what you see on Good Morning America.
You have missed the main points of all my posts and likely will never accept reason. Right now, you are actually doing your cause more harm than good and I am convinced that you could find something "racist" in just about everything.
Again you are defending it when you are saying you are not, it is blackface you're simply stating your opnion which is offensive because you are justifying black face. I hope nothing happens to you when you discuss it in real life because they'd line your teeth on the sidewalk curve and step on it. We are victims of course because blackface is a offensive mask worn over time to mock people of color. You come off as a person who knows all but yet you know so little because you are pretending like you know everything when you are not. and you still are not educating yourself which will get your teeth ripped out of your skull if you talked like that around people. take a seat racist.
"Trust those that seek the truth and be wary of those that claim to have it"
Telling me to get my teeth ripped out and insulting me tells me exactly how much growing up you have to do yet. I encourage you to do just that, and if you are so passionate, take just one sociology class when you're old enough to go to college.
In the mean time, good luck. -
I suggested in another thread that he has a charge meter like.Myers where he stalks for a certain amount of time, and once the meter fills, you teleport right in front of your victim.Dreamnomad said:I honestly don't care if they ever add Jason or not. It seems like the design space for his character is pretty crowded already. What would his power even be?
He does this in the movies frequently. Players would know when he is charging his meter because he would either be moving very slowly or just standing.
I think it might require some tech because what if the survivor was running face first into a wall? Would be push the survivor back or just teleport behind the survivor....anyway, kinks to work out.I
Haven't given thought to perks of add-ons but I am sure the developers could think of something.
Just one idea. I know people compare him to trapper a lot but I see him playing very differently. -
I have said it before: it is not black face I am defending. You, like most professional victims, are choosing which part of my posts to read/digest.Ayeknill_lava said:@Attackfrog said:
Nobody is validating blackface. Blackface itself is old. Nowadays, a fictional character should be able to wear a mask of any color without drawing attention to blackface. The motives for black face and a killer wearing a different mask are polar opposites. We need to let those old racist trends die And not be afraid to move on.
And again, there has to be a line. If we removed every tool for racism, we would not exist, because we have to remove our very brains and means to communicate. There has to be some level of reason.
You are validating it by merely defending it, It is old but it is offensive still to this day. especially these past two years where there is more racism than ever before. Those old ways will never die because that is part of history and you are saying let history die out. People still use it as a degrading manner and as a racist joke. You however find it suitable for people to still do it and encourage it... I'm not sure where you came from but educate yourself about it and why people are offended by it. I encourage you to do that before further commenting. because you are just trying to justify racism. I hope no one ever catches you defending black face in public because it would not end up nicely as this forum.. you're whole stance is racist.
Nowadays, when a movie or play requires a black character, they cast a black actor. Belittling someone for their skin color or appearance still happens, but it doesn't just happen to black folks. The purpose of Claudette s face in this game has literally nothing to do with blackface, aside from some racist folks trying to use it as such.
There is a double standard when it comes to media and race and what is considered racist and the causes are rooted far deeper than what you think you know (based on your posts, I am assuming very little), and I suggest, if you are as passionate about this subject as you are trying to portray, you do some reading from educated sociologists (some of which are also black, if you can even believe that!) and stop getting your information from what you see on Good Morning America.
You have missed the main points of all my posts and likely will never accept reason. Right now, you are actually doing your cause more harm than good and I am convinced that you could find something "racist" in just about everything. -
Nobody is validating blackface. Blackface itself is old. Nowadays, a fictional character should be able to wear a mask of any color without drawing attention to blackface. The motives for black face and a killer wearing a different mask are polar opposites. We need to let those old racist trends die And not be afraid to move on.Ayeknill_lava said:@Attackfrog said:
Yes, but there has to be a line. This is still a horror game with brutal acts of violence. Just because a few people can.misuse one of the props to harass a few people is not a reason to remove something from the game.
If we only allowed white masks or only allowed a black character to wear black masks then we are not creating equality. We are actually destroying it.
You can't control someone else's racist actions or motives, but you can still enjoy the gruesome aspect of someone wearing Claudette s face. We need to be the bigger people and look beyond the color of the skin, whether it's in the killer or his mask....And isn't seeing beyond skin color the ultimate goal?
How can you look beyond skin color when you are treated differently because of it? How can you look beyond it if we are different pigments. It can be set in your mind but not others. Unfortunately a MAJORITY of people use it as a troll prop and use it for offensive purposes. The developers gave a troll piece to people who are small minded to use it in a degrading manner. You can't control people and their intentions however you can take away the tools they use to do that. there is a reason why in the movies he wasn't shown wearing a black persons face because it roots down to a offensive action that was called blackface. You are validating something racist which is offensive toward people of color.
And again, there has to be a line. If we removed every tool for racism, we would not exist, because we have to remove our very brains and means to communicate. There has to be some level of reason. -
Now this is making more sense to me. This argument is actually nothing to do with race and more toward lore and I can definitely see that side of it. Getting rid of masks across the board (not just the black or white ones) makes sense.Tydie said:@Attackfrog said:
Yes, but there has to be a line. This is still a horror game with brutal acts of violence. Just because a few people can.misuse one of the props to harass a few people is not a reason to remove something from the game.If we only allowed white masks or only allowed a black character to wear black masks then we are not creating equality. We are actually destroying it.
You can't control someone else's racist actions or motives, but you can still enjoy the gruesome aspect of someone wearing Claudette s face. We need to be the bigger people and look beyond the color of the skin, whether it's in the killer or his mask....And isn't seeing beyond skin color the ultimate goal?
I'm saying just remove the whole damn mask selection. Leatherface always had a Caucasian mask so why go off the lore.. I don't even get it how did they get the license for that. What if michael myers had a blue mask.. it's out of character.
In fact, including non-lore cosmetic items is offensive to fans of the franchise, regardless of skin color! -
See my post above.Ayeknill_lava said:@Attackfrog said:
It's only racist if he ONLY wears black faces.I get that you might think that, but he wears it. I'm angry because he the Caucasian leather face wears it and that the community abuses this cosmetic feature. I know that developers did not intend to make this offensive but "unfortunately" in your case and the developers it is.
The chat feature is far more offensive, though not intended. Cars kill millions every year, though not intended.
You can't let a small minority who abuse a feature ruin those features for you (or others who don't see a black person's face, but only see a victim's face), especially when that specific feature, if color roles were reversed, would not be racist. -
Yes, but there has to be a line. This is still a horror game with brutal acts of violence. Just because a few people can.misuse one of the props to harass a few people is not a reason to remove something from the game.Tydie said:@Attackfrog said:
But would you still feel offended at a black man wearing a black face?
Just saying I never saw it in the movies and im sure theres a good reason.. im not sure why the devs overlooked this. They should know how toxic some people on the internet are especially when their game doesnt have filters and you are able to use slurs in chat.
If we only allowed white masks or only allowed a black character to wear black masks then we are not creating equality. We are actually destroying it.
You can't control someone else's racist actions or motives, but you can still enjoy the gruesome aspect of someone wearing Claudette s face. We need to be the bigger people and look beyond the color of the skin, whether it's in the killer or his mask....And isn't seeing beyond skin color the ultimate goal? -
It's only racist if he ONLY wears black faces.
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But would you still feel offended at a black man wearing a black face?Ayeknill_lava said:@Attackfrog said:
Would it be ok if Leatherface was black instead of white?He isn't so there is no what if.
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Somehow insulting people who have a different opinion than you is ok though? Again, the racial double standard.BanAnnazX said:
As an Asian myself, we do have issues with yellow face being used in media. That’s why I’m encouraging to remove all masks. I’m tired of reading racist comment after a match. To sit here and say it’s not a real issue because it’s a game is ignorant. It’s an issue that’s many of us acknowledge and I’m sorry you few people commenting don’t have the brain capacity to understand that this shouldn’t even be included in the game.Tydie said:@Avariku said:
if claudettes face gets removed as a cosmetic option, I think it's only fair to remove all of them...
whites and asians aren't the only ones who deserve to have their faces cut off.Yes, they should. I don't recall leatherface ever wearing a black persons face in the movies. Also, asian people don't have a history with people mocking them by pretending to be their race by wearing a mask..
Let me ask you this, which nobody has answered yet:
Would it be ok if Leatherface was black instead of white? -
This isn't blackface. Comparing it to blackface completely diminished what blackface was and the real social injustices that occur to this day.Ayeknill_lava said:@Attackfrog said:
Ayeknill_lava said:@Attackfrog said:
I also think you have to look at intent. Claudette mask wasnt put into this game to be racist. Neither was teabagging (the crouch feature).
I don't really believe this mask is any sort of reference to blackface. Some people might be able to take it there, but only if you let them.
Tbagging is only harassment if i take it to mean just that. Calling someone a name (ANY name) only holds meaning if the recipient is affected by it.
There are very real social issues that exist whether I, you, or anyone take offense to them or not. I believe that if you are going to get upset over a racial issue, let it be one that holds very real consequences for the victims. What are the consequences of Claudettes mask in this game?
Saying that This isn't a REAL social issue.. It's a online game, there is social interaction in the game. You just got contradicted yourself it does have a effect on people because Look at this discussion, people who got effected and your merely shrugging it off. I'm not sure who you are and where you come from where you think it is okay to do blackface but it effects people you see me and other people on this thread being effected by it and telling us that this isn't a issue when we are clearly being effected by it and probably thousands of others who don't have a voice in the community. sit down cause you are not typing on a imaginary computer are you? it is real. WAKE UP. The consequences of Claudette mask in the game is having people mock us and using it as some troll piece and calling us the N word which tends to end up in the game. Take a look into our prespective rather than yours because I can't see how you are justifying it. Maybe it wasn't their intent to be racist in the game when they put it in, but it is and it does offend people. To a majority of people it looks like blackface. I get that t-bagging can be annoying but we are discussing about the blackface at the moment.
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I also think you have to look at intent. Claudette mask wasnt put into this game to be malicious. Neither was teabagging (the crouch feature).Ayeknill_lava said:@Attackfrog said:
Ayeknill_lava said:@Attackfrog said:
Tydie said:
@Ayeknill_lava said: I'm glad this discussion is finally happening. There isn't a day that goes by where I look at my skin color and think of myself as someone who gets treated less than most people. Because this is the reality I live in day by day basis I'm used to it which is pretty said to say. I don't think it's asking too much to understand our side. Where in the past people have mocked our skin color for being too dark and advertising bleaching cream to make our complexion lighter. In the past Caucasian people were used blackface as entertainment, over doing their lips with lipstick and covering the whole face in black to mock and make us look silly. Black face was used to make a mockery of African Americans. So when i see a Caucasian putting a black mask on. Look at it in my perspective or at least try to. I get that some of you might say.. well he does white faces too.. well in the past Caucasian people didn't make fun of your whole race using some mask did they? No they didn't. Exactly, I think people forget our history or they just refuse to step into our shoes. The ignorance needs to stop. Words like that perpetuate the "us vs them"mentality. There is no such thing as "separate but equal" but phrases like the one you just used perpetuate that very separatism. There is usually a double standard when things like this are called out (which you just highlighted), which is probably why there are so many "lol"s being thrown out in this thread.
There are very real race issues out there but the issue in this thread is definitely not one of them and focusing on this is a slap in the face to people who experience racism every day.
Real issues... There is tons out there, it is VERY separatism because We are SEPERATED. I'm holding myself back because I'm very sensitive to this subject. But this is an issue we can change if we brought this up to the devs. I'm a gamer and you are too. So understand our side. Clearly you did not do your history or failed at it because there is a double standard when you are a lighter pigment vs a darker pigment in day to day life. You get treated as a second class citizen if you are a darker tone than WHITE. You get hate speeches thrown at you or you get assaulted for just existing. I don't get why theres tons of "lols" maybe because people like you have never experienced being in our shoes. In peoples shoes who don't get represented that well in social media. The only slap in the face from your comment is the entire thing. So take a seat because you do not understand our struggle your merely talking out of your behind without any experience in our history.
And there is the proof. I am afraid as long as you continue with you "us vs them" attitude, you will never be happy. It is actually YOU who is saying we are different and I can't understand because of the pigment of MY skin....which you assume is white.
I am afraid you are actually the one being racist in our discussion.
Well I am because you are defending blackface because there is YOU VS THEM if black people are being mocked your laying down and letting them trample you and your ancestors because there is being blackface being thrown at your face constantly and people using it as a troll cosmetic. You can be afraid all you want however I am strong and I stand for things that are offensive. However calling me racist a person who is defending one of the most offensive things in the world... I wish you peace and love because you need it.
I don't really believe this mask is any sort of reference to blackface. Some people might be able to take it there, but only if you let them.
Tbagging is only harassment if i take it to mean just that. Calling someone a name (ANY name) only holds meaning if the recipient is affected by it.
There are very real social issues that exist whether I, you, or anyone take offense to them or not. I believe that if you are going to get upset over a racial issue, let it be one that holds very real consequences for the victims. What are the consequences of Claudettes mask in this game? -
Racists will find a way to be racist no matter what you do. We can fight back by not allowing certain words or actions to phase us and stand up for equal opportunities.Tydie said:And there is the proof. I am afraid as long as you continue with you "us vs them" attitude, you will never be happy. It is actually YOU who is saying we are different and I can't understand because of the pigment of MY skin....which you assume is white.
I am afraid you are actually the one being racist in our discussion.
Us vs Them? We just want this so stop. I just don't want these racists to have an outlet on a game I love. Just the other day when I was streaming someone stream sniped me and came into my stream and said "GET RKT N****" after killing me. The guy/girl happened to be playing leatherface with that same stupid Claudette cosmetic. Is this a coincidence? I don't know but it seems to happen a lot.
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If LF was black, would it be ok then? Or could he only wear black faces?
By choosing which color skin is ok to wear, we are being racist by definition.
Some day, we will live in a world where a homicidal maniac can wear the skin of people off any color, regardless of gender or race. -
You are putting events in this game on the same level as the salary gap and socio-economic differences, and racial profiling??Tydie said:@Attackfrog said:
Tydie said:@Ayeknill_lava said:
I'm glad this discussion is finally happening. There isn't a day that goes by where I look at my skin color and think of myself as someone who gets treated less than most people. Because this is the reality I live in day by day basis I'm used to it which is pretty said to say. I don't think it's asking too much to understand our side. Where in the past people have mocked our skin color for being too dark and advertising bleaching cream to make our complexion lighter. In the past Caucasian people were used blackface as entertainment, over doing their lips with lipstick and covering the whole face in black to mock and make us look silly. Black face was used to make a mockery of African Americans. So when i see a Caucasian putting a black mask on. Look at it in my perspective or at least try to. I get that some of you might say.. well he does white faces too.. well in the past Caucasian people didn't make fun of your whole race using some mask did they? No they didn't.
Exactly, I think people forget our history or they just refuse to step into our shoes. The ignorance needs to stop.
Words like that perpetuate the "us vs them"mentality. There is no such thing as "separate but equal" but phrases like the one you just used perpetuate that very separatism.
There is usually a double standard when things like this are called out (which you just highlighted), which is probably why there are so many "lol"s being thrown out in this thread.
There are very real race issues out there but the issue in this thread is definitely not one of them and focusing on this is a slap in the face to people who experience racism every day.
Did you really just trivialize this situation? " There are very real race issues out there" How can you even say that? You talk like someone who doesn't know anything about being a minority. You can't just deem this case of racism less racist than the next because what does that even entail? racism is racism.
This HAS to be A troll post, right? If not...
A very small world you live in. I envy your blissful ignorance. It's ok, other folks will fight the real battles for you. -
Ayeknill_lava said:
@Attackfrog said:
Tydie said:@Ayeknill_lava said:
I'm glad this discussion is finally happening. There isn't a day that goes by where I look at my skin color and think of myself as someone who gets treated less than most people. Because this is the reality I live in day by day basis I'm used to it which is pretty said to say. I don't think it's asking too much to understand our side. Where in the past people have mocked our skin color for being too dark and advertising bleaching cream to make our complexion lighter. In the past Caucasian people were used blackface as entertainment, over doing their lips with lipstick and covering the whole face in black to mock and make us look silly. Black face was used to make a mockery of African Americans. So when i see a Caucasian putting a black mask on. Look at it in my perspective or at least try to. I get that some of you might say.. well he does white faces too.. well in the past Caucasian people didn't make fun of your whole race using some mask did they? No they didn't.
Exactly, I think people forget our history or they just refuse to step into our shoes. The ignorance needs to stop.
Words like that perpetuate the "us vs them"mentality. There is no such thing as "separate but equal" but phrases like the one you just used perpetuate that very separatism.
There is usually a double standard when things like this are called out (which you just highlighted), which is probably why there are so many "lol"s being thrown out in this thread.
There are very real race issues out there but the issue in this thread is definitely not one of them and focusing on this is a slap in the face to people who experience racism every day.
Real issues... There is tons out there, it is VERY separatism because We are SEPERATED. I'm holding myself back because I'm very sensitive to this subject. But this is an issue we can change if we brought this up to the devs. I'm a gamer and you are too. So understand our side. Clearly you did not do your history or failed at it because there is a double standard when you are a lighter pigment vs a darker pigment in day to day life. You get treated as a second class citizen if you are a darker tone than WHITE. You get hate speeches thrown at you or you get assaulted for just existing. I don't get why theres tons of "lols" maybe because people like you have never experienced being in our shoes. In peoples shoes who don't get represented that well in social media. The only slap in the face from your comment is the entire thing. So take a seat because you do not understand our struggle your merely talking out of your behind without any experience in our history.
And there is the proof. I am afraid as long as you continue with you "us vs them" attitude, you will never be happy. It is actually YOU who is saying we are different and I can't understand because of the pigment of MY skin....which you assume is white.
I am afraid you are actually the one being racist in our discussion.
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Words like that perpetuate the "us vs them"mentality. There is no such thing as "separate but equal" but phrases like the one you just used perpetuate that very separatism.Tydie said:@Ayeknill_lava said:
I'm glad this discussion is finally happening. There isn't a day that goes by where I look at my skin color and think of myself as someone who gets treated less than most people. Because this is the reality I live in day by day basis I'm used to it which is pretty said to say. I don't think it's asking too much to understand our side. Where in the past people have mocked our skin color for being too dark and advertising bleaching cream to make our complexion lighter. In the past Caucasian people were used blackface as entertainment, over doing their lips with lipstick and covering the whole face in black to mock and make us look silly. Black face was used to make a mockery of African Americans. So when i see a Caucasian putting a black mask on. Look at it in my perspective or at least try to. I get that some of you might say.. well he does white faces too.. well in the past Caucasian people didn't make fun of your whole race using some mask did they? No they didn't.Exactly, I think people forget our history or they just refuse to step into our shoes. The ignorance needs to stop.
There is usually a double standard when things like this are called out (which you just highlighted), which is probably why there are so many "lol"s being thrown out in this thread.
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I am never for racism in any form, but at what point are we just bullying the racists?
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It's hit or miss for me.
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For the "wake up in the middle of the night with a headache" comment:
take 800mg ibuprofen (NOT aspirin or acetaminophen "tylenol"..It needs to be ibuprofen.) and down AT LEAST 12 oz of water with it. Yes, at once. Chug it. 800s are only available via Rx in the US, but 4x200mg works as well. Do this before you go to bed.
You'll be good til morning...no headache, probably sleep through the night...assuming we are talking about drinking lol. You'll wake up to pee but have no headache.
Next day hangover is on you, sorry....no cure for that, but at least you won't have a splitting headache or be ridiculously dehydrated.
Trust me. I don't just play a doctor....I am one (IRL). If you have any adverse reactions to medications or water, this advice is void and I can't be held responsible. This is just a simple fix when you drink too much.
Oh...And it doesn't work if you're puking....don't waste the ibuprofen or water lol. If you are puking you should seek immediate medical assistance. Also, if you do it every day you will surely have some GI system failure and stomach ulcers. Don't ######### with ibuprofen!!!!!
But if you had just a few too many, good solid fix.
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The ONLY rule that matters:
DON'T BREAK ToS.
Everything else....camping, tunneling,looping, ds, NOED, .....It's all fair game.
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This is why I wish there was an AI mode.
And why I prefer playing killer.
Just too many A-holes out there. At least as killer i sometimes get the satisfaction of hooking them and then watching their friends rage -quit whilst I camp the hook. -
I actually have quite a bit of fun with Freddy but he is very challenging to play. I actually do way worse with trapper but Freddy (and trapper) are definitely not as strong as Doc or Nurse (when I am really paying attention).
It would be nice to get the weaker heroes up to par with even more mid tier killers. Freddy is definitely on the lower end (even though I have 4k'd with him in the past). -
I f the survivors were communicating with each other, I would imagine they would easily wreck a peerless killer...0-1k If he was able to camp well.
If they were 4 solos and generally well played, I would imagine anywhere from 0-2k depending on killer.
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And yes to naked perky characters.Rebel_Raven said:Yes to perkless games.
Yes to naked characters.
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My very first comment on this thread was a tongue in cheek comment based on the "us vs them" (survivor "mains" vs killer "mains" ....which is ridiculous in itself) mentality so often used in this forum....pretty much a troll post. You bit, so I rolled with it.powerbats said:@Attackfrog said:
Your facts don't add up since quite a few of those opposed are killer mains so you might want to get your facts straight. It won't happen due to optimization issues on console and even then the connection would destroy console users. But yes go ahead and keep showing your bias against actual logic and facts I'm sure it'll get you far. 😜 **Typical survivor main spewing typical survivor rhetoric and oppressing the real killer mains once again! Us true killer mains know exactly how we feel!
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Ah yes the typical Ad Hominem thrown in and as usual completely and utterly wrong. Killer main currently atm so yet again your argument falls flat on it's face. You just can't admit the idea isn't sound for a myriad of reasons so you resort to the classical and failed survivor main insult.
It will never happen because it isn't feasible from any standpoint no matter how you try and argue with insults, facts will always shoot you down in FLAMES But keep up with the insults as i said I'm sure eventually you'll learn to accept those don't work here.
You are using the word "insults" wrong. Perhaps take your own advice instead of "flaming" my posts and speak more directly to the topic.
Seems pretty clear you were trying to insult me with that bolded comment of yours above.
The idea is actually quite sound. The amount of people playing at one time in the OP is probably not realistic but 2 killers at one time would make for some great gameplay.
2 killers would make it more interesting but as stated repeatedly in ym post and others countless times it won't work due to all the reasons listed in this thread and the rest.
Just because they don't have the backend work to make it happen doesn't mean people don't want it or that the idea is bad.
The idea is bad because of all the factors that'd make it bad, those have been discussed ad nauseum, you just don't like the reasons.
If you can't see that there ARE people who want a KWF scenario, then you may need your eyes checked. I had a thread on it not too long ago (same old arguments against it) but there was genuine interest. There have also been other folks who have posted interest in this type of gameplay in other threads.
**I can see there's people that want this it still doesn't mean it's a good idea and as I said KYF is already in the game options. There's people that want to have killers go 200% movement speed, while some want survivors to be able to attack the killer.
Both of those are bad ideas and yet there's lots of people that want them, or similar crazy ideas. If we use your logic it should happen because people want them.**
I do notice a theme in your posts though: when a few individuals disagree with you, you tend take on the role of the "voice of the forums" and present a very elitist attitude in the words you chose, attacking the poster rather than the idea. Even when you make a credible argument, you discredit yourself by attacking the poster.
I've attacked the arguments plenty and you had no argument, you went straight to insults so I attacked your credibility. You didn't like it and resorted to more of the same along with deflections.
You may forget, but the forums make up a VERY small and specific minority of players (for any game). Sometimes a majority belief in a forum is a minority of the players...or more importantly, potential customers.
You claim to notice a theme in my posts yet ignore where I've stated many a time the forums are a minority of the playerbase and that many people probably aren't even aware they exist. For someone so versed in my posting you seem to conveniently ignore a lot that doesn't fit your narrative.
Tl;dr: There are definitely people who want to KWF. Just because it may not be technically feasible at the moment doesn't negate the genuine interest in this type of gameplay. Having two communicable killers is something I think many SWF mains are fearful of because it would be a serious obstacle for them.
Again KYF or kill your friends is already a game mode and has been for quite some time. Also having 2 communicable killers would be fine in theory against a full 8 man swf. But against say 8 solo players it'd be a massacre.
You're also forgetting that this would require dedicated servers and because of this people would need to be close to a server. Then you have the issue of killers would be heavily favored coding wise on whether a hit took place or not similar to say Overwatch or CS.
If you think huntress hitboxes are bad they'd be nothing compared to how that'd work and the survivors would be at a heavy disadvantage latency and packet wise. If you'd go read all the other threads where this idea has been debunked countless times before by people with far more network and coding experience than me you'd understand.
Second post was the same only escalated for more division between the "factions". I wondered how seriously were we going to take this same argument.
Third (lengthy one) was all true. And you are still arguing with yourself and repeating the exact same arguments (tech, servers, stability...blah blah blah). You focus solely on comments that "support" your side and again, ignore anything said that might make a KYF feasible if given appropriate tech support (IE: the notion of different leagues for grouped matches)
Maybe you should go re read the other threads about this topic instead of beating a dead horse and you might be able to tease out some of those great ideas. -
You are using the word "insults" wrong. Perhaps take your own advice instead of "flaming" my posts and speak more directly to the topic.powerbats said:@Attackfrog said:
powerbats said:@Attackfrog said:
Survivors are opposed because adding a second killer is the only thing that can effectively combat the swf scenarios we see now.
So it will never happen.
Your facts don't add up since quite a few of those opposed are killer mains so you might want to get your facts straight.
It won't happen due to optimization issues on console and even then the connection would destroy console users. But yes go ahead and keep showing your bias against actual logic and facts I'm sure it'll get you far. 😜
Typical survivor main spewing typical survivor rhetoric and oppressing the real killer mains once again!
Us true killer mains know exactly how we feel!
Ah yes the typical Ad Hominem thrown in and as usual completely and utterly wrong. Killer main currently atm so yet again your argument falls flat on it's face. You just can't admit the idea isn't sound for a myriad of reasons so you resort to the classical and failed survivor main insult.
It will never happen because it isn't feasible from any standpoint no matter how you try and argue with insults, facts will always shoot you down in FLAMES But keep up with the insults as i said I'm sure eventually you'll learn to accept those don't work here.
The idea is actually quite sound. The amount of people playing at one time in the OP is probably not realistic but 2 killers at one time would make for some great gameplay.
Just because they don't have the backend work to make it happen doesn't mean people don't want it or that the idea is bad.
If you can't see that there ARE people who want a KWF scenario, then you may need your eyes checked. I had a thread on it not too long ago (same old arguments against it) but there was genuine interest. There have also been other folks who have posted interest in this type of gameplay in other threads.
I do notice a theme in your posts though: when a few individuals disagree with you, you tend take on the role of the "voice of the forums" and present a very elitist attitude in the words you chose, attacking the poster rather than the idea. Even when you make a credible argument, you discredit yourself by attacking the poster.
You may forget, but the forums make up a VERY small and specific minority of players (for any game). Sometimes a majority belief in a forum is a minority of the players...or more importantly, potential customers.
Tl;dr: There are definitely people who want to KWF. Just because it may not be technically feasible at the moment doesn't negate the genuine interest in this type of gameplay. Having two communicable killers is something I think many SWF mains are fearful of because it would be a serious obstacle for them.
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Typical survivor main spewing typical survivor rhetoric and oppressing the real killer mains once again!powerbats said:@Attackfrog said:
Survivors are opposed because adding a second killer is the only thing that can effectively combat the swf scenarios we see now.So it will never happen.
Your facts don't add up since quite a few of those opposed are killer mains so you might want to get your facts straight.
It won't happen due to optimization issues on console and even then the connection would destroy console users. But yes go ahead and keep showing your bias against actual logic and facts I'm sure it'll get you far. 😜
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Finally someone who actually knows history!!!Giche said:@Attackfrog said:
Oh that's what happened! That makes sense. And now they eat ostriches to celebrate.
Now, I do believe they will eat kangaroos for Easter (since kangaroos are simply Australian rabbits, no?).
Correct me if I am wrong, but I do know science and history quite good.
And English, cleerly.
World's History is really amazing, the same thing hapened in Japan, a long time ago :
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Even with Game Genie that water dam level was terrible!powerbats said:@Attackfrog said:
Divinitye9 said:
powerbats said:TMNT and Contra nuff said, now those were tough.
I raise you batletoads. To me, it was one of the hardest games Nintendo ever placed.
This game ALWAYS resulted in a fight with me and my brother. To the point where I remember my mom telling from the kitchen "YOU BETTER NOT BE PLAYING THAT GODDAMN BATTLETOADS AGAIN!!!"
I think that game was invented to invoke sibling fights.
Well TMNT the mission at the dam where you swim underwater through the super narrow area and the final boss on Contra which was god mode basically. The Contra fight was long considered unbeatable and if you did you had to have cheated lol.
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Oh that's what happened! That makes sense. And now they eat ostriches to celebrate.Tsulan said:
Australians lost a war to big ugly birds.Attackfrog said:
The Australians are the worst. If I am correct, I do believe they eat ostriches for their thanksgiving. The ostrich is both the national bird AND the national food of Australia.Tsulan said:
But germans don't celebrate Thanksgiving.powerbats said:@Arsoul said:
But only the USA go it on your date, your cutting off these countries for your own date. If an OCT celebration was to happen, what was wrong with Canada's in early Oct?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ThanksgivingObserved by Countries
Canada
Grenada
Liberia
Saint Lucia
United StatesGermany & Japan have SIMILARLY named holidays....So...Not thankgiving in that sense.
Norfolk island is an Australian territory, not a country so you cant play that one sorryNitpicking won't get you anywhere, those countries are commonly accepted as having a holiday around Thanksgiving.
Just because you don't want an event around Thanksgiving becue Americans and other countries do in fact celebrate it. You can argue semantics all you want but you got answers that you didn't like even if only part of that list is accurate.
No slaughter of big ugly birds.
And you can trust me, because this is the internet.
Now, I do believe they will eat kangaroos for Easter (since kangaroos are simply Australian rabbits, no?).
Correct me if I am wrong, but I do know science and history quite good.
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Is any killer strong in Haddonfield?
For example, Doc is strong in Lerys or meat plant, but LF sucks there.
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This game ALWAYS resulted in a fight with me and my brother. To the point where I remember my mom telling from the kitchen "YOU BETTER NOT BE PLAYING THAT GODDAMN BATTLETOADS AGAIN!!!"Divinitye9 said:
I raise you batletoads. To me, it was one of the hardest games Nintendo ever placed.powerbats said:TMNT and Contra nuff said, now those were tough.
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The Australians are the worst. If I am correct, I do believe they eat ostriches for their thanksgiving. The ostrich is both the national bird AND the national food of Australia.Tsulan said:
But germans don't celebrate Thanksgiving.powerbats said:@Arsoul said:
But only the USA go it on your date, your cutting off these countries for your own date. If an OCT celebration was to happen, what was wrong with Canada's in early Oct?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ThanksgivingObserved by Countries
Canada
Grenada
Liberia
Saint Lucia
United StatesGermany & Japan have SIMILARLY named holidays....So...Not thankgiving in that sense.
Norfolk island is an Australian territory, not a country so you cant play that one sorryNitpicking won't get you anywhere, those countries are commonly accepted as having a holiday around Thanksgiving.
Just because you don't want an event around Thanksgiving becue Americans and other countries do in fact celebrate it. You can argue semantics all you want but you got answers that you didn't like even if only part of that list is accurate.
No slaughter of big ugly birds.
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They should! Isn't thanksgiving the day America saved them from the vampire, hitler?Master said:@powerbats said:
@Arsoul said:
Name themCanada
China
Germany
Grenada
Japan
Norfolk Island
South Korea
Liberia
VietnamGermany doesnt celebrate thanksgiving, cant talk about others
Or was that Cinco De Mayo? ...no, that was the day America saved Mexico from the Spaniards....
I get all the holidays mixed up....I think thanksgiving was the day the pilgrims finally fought off the evil native Americans from trying to steal our land from us?
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Lol "grow up"...sounds like you need to take a step back and realize what makes the world go round.Arsoul said:@Attackfrog said:
Arsoul said:@Attackfrog said:
The whole world should celebrate American Thanksgiving.
It was the dawn of civilization. But most importantly....it began the road to hot dogs and fortune cookies.
You're welcome, world.
Typical Americans, think they invented EVERYTHING and only their holidays etc matter. Its rather pathetic actually
Well, we did invent KFC and McDonalds....so once again, you're welcome.
Also, America wasn't even invented when "original sin" took place, creating all the bad in the world....so we pretty much aren't to blame for that.
So eat some turkey (or KFC...or taco bell...or a hot pocket) for me and give thanks that America probably invented your favorite food.
Really, fast food joints is your big invention for the world!
Grow up
Not only did we invent fast food, we invented obesity and most of the diseases that go with it (these are multi-billion dollar markets). Do you have any idea how many jobs we created that contribute to and work to combat the negative effects of obesity? Without fast food, cheetos, cigarette s and other life threatening consumables....do you have any idea how many people would be out of work?
And if American companies didn't exploit cheaper labor forces in other countries, do you have any idea how many MORE folks would be out of work? No, you probably don't because you were fed the facts that your elementary school teacher gave you. It's ok, you just didn't know any better.
Next time you want to BLAME America for the world's problems, try to "grow up" and realize that is it precisely BECAUSE of those problems that your parents probably have a job and can afford to have you live in their basement.
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Well, we did invent KFC and McDonalds....so once again, you're welcome.Arsoul said:@Attackfrog said:
The whole world should celebrate American Thanksgiving.It was the dawn of civilization. But most importantly....it began the road to hot dogs and fortune cookies.
You're welcome, world.
Typical Americans, think they invented EVERYTHING and only their holidays etc matter. Its rather pathetic actually
Also, America wasn't even invented when "original sin" took place, creating all the bad in the world....so we pretty much aren't to blame for that.
So eat some turkey (or KFC...or taco bell...or a hot pocket) for me and give thanks that America probably invented your favorite food. -
And if they conga-lined you, the killers could double-hit each survivors, basically instadowning them, assuming they could communicate too.
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I don't think you would need 8 survivors. 5-6 would work assuming they were communicating.
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I have tunneled as Michael before. Even beyond reason with other survivors much easier to hit....it just seemed like a fun, Michael thing to do at the time (I got a 1k).
And it was totally worth it.
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I dare to correct you!Master said:@branchini1979 said:
I read about hatch camping wars and I am not bothered by it. Let me explain and just my own personal opinion. Have had a few killers now camp the hatch and one game, I was last survivor with 3 gens. Early on I knew what they were doing so I just went ahead and did gens. After each gen checked on killer. Not budging. Managed to do all gens Open both gates and do all totems because killer obsessed with hatch. Got myself lots of BP. I will always choose to do gens and other objectives and if they do bother to finally move, there hatch camping has given away location of hatch. Long message I know but all I am saying is, the killers can have the hatch, I'll do objectives, escape through gate and go on to next gameCamping is never a good strategy. It only is so effective because survivors play as if they have no brain.
Good job for using your brain btw
(the killer was just afk on hatch probably because he couldnt find you within reasonable time, after a few minutes searchign I dont bother either)
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I have had many games go from almost a 0k to a 4k because survivors rush my hook when I am clearly downing them with 1 shot (NOED lol).
When I camp against good survivors, I get SCHMEKT! Forces me to have to go out after them. (It just occurred to me....maybe I need to get better at camping! "Adapt"...as they say!)I
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I always forget about spirit because I don't play her very often but you are right! She looks amazing and as if she were ripped from a Japanese horror genre film! Whoever designed her nailed it.se05239 said:Aesthetically, I think Spirit is the most well-made killer.
Mechanically, probably Nurse.