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It’s a very reasonable tier list.
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When I look at someone else’s tier list, I don’t try to match it exactly to mine. Instead, I look to see if each position of the killers is reasonable in my view. Honestly I think this is very reasonable. I do think you’re underrating the Hag a bit, but it’s a nice tier list overall.
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@Apple2o said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1005409#Comment_1005409
The only thing that "exposes" me when I play hag is multiple people running object of obsession, which screws over many killers as well as hag. I play hag at rank 1 all the time, and have posted screenshots on this forum already to prove it.
She is one of the most braindead and overpowered killers in the game in my opinion. No other killer can I be chain slugging across the entire map with. She also has a wealth of super overpowered add-ons to use.
Anyone can post screenshots man. They mean absolutely nothing.
I honestly don’t care how you play Hag. I mean at the end of the day, we both agree she’s top tier.
I definitely don’t think you understand her well, but I can’t really continue a conversation when it isn’t progressing anywhere.
Congratz though on doing well with that play style. Whether those survivors were good or not.
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@Snow_Lep said:
Fine
https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/760/3BHD4RNCVRTV.png
Let's end the fighting. No difference between B and C as there was only a little to begin with.
Updated list lol
You don’t need to update your list man. You’re entitled to your opinion. Unless you actually feel different about your opinions, don’t let other dictate them. It’s mostly just a conversation.
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@Apple2o said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1005370#Comment_1005370
And where do you think those "webs and chains" should exist? Near the objectives? Or out in the middle of nowhere? Quit making it sound more fancy than it is.
I’m sorry to say, but it seems like you don’t know much about Hag. Good teams will expose the way you play Hag. No question.
Webs and chains is how you snowball as Hag, which leads to multiple downs and hooks which = pressure.
Spamming traps at gens and hooks will never allow you to master Hag. That’s like rank 7 stuff quite frankly.
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@Snow_Lep said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1005303#Comment_1005303
Read my newest addition. And yes Huntress, Spirit, and Nurse are 4.4 as well, but spirit and nurse can both close distance in mere seconds, and huntress is addmittedly pretty well off without addons, the issue is in hitting hatchets. Many players can't and especially not newer ones. The most useful thing huntress has for closing loops is the hitboxes working in her favor at 90% of them. Nurse can ignore loops, and Spirit can just mindgame the living daylights out of them.
For Clown, it very well might be a visual bug on my end, but even in watching survivor gameplay it is still more distorted than prior, and while playing Clown, it does have more effectivity than before if you make sure the bottles intoxicate and blur the vision.
Run a No Perk, No Addon hag and watch how well it works. Many players suffer as the dificulty in closing loops with such is increased by 100%.
To end loops with a no addon Hag is going to be about triple the difficulty of ending them with a no addon Clown.
I understand your defense, but this is also opinion as stated. They could both be S tier to one player, and both be F's to another.
Hag literally does the same thing. If the trap placement is right, she closes distance in mere seconds. Same if blinks and phasing is done correctly.
And yeah if you’re good with your hatches, you’re good with Huntress. That’s a given. I agree with Nurse and Spirit.
What does running no perks have to do with anything? This has nothing to do with the conversation. To make it fair, you’d have to do that with Clown as well (as well with the rest of the killers). I GUARANTEE Hag would do better without Perks and add ons over Clown. And funny enough, I’ve ran perkless and add on less with ALL of the killers. Hag was one of the strongest, which shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone realistically.
A no add on Hag against a no add on clown is 100% better in loops and in general. It’s up to you to make a mistake as Hag on loops. It’s up to the survivor to make a mistake against a Clown.
I know this is your opinion. I stated already known that. This is just all debate and sharing my opinion. I’m not trying to make you change your mind. I’m trying to give you an understanding of where I’m coming from.
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@Apple2o said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1005309#Comment_1005309
Camping is literally her power. Either you are camping gens, or you are camping hooks. There is no other way to use it effectively. If you are a chasing hag that is pretty bad and you will only down poor survivors.
Hag sets up a minefield, and waits for people to come into it. If you leave that minefield, you wasted all the time setting it up. It is the same with trapper, but hag is the trapper on steroids.
She is so effective at camping because while patrolling a hook, if you hit someone, they cannot bum rush with BT because they will hit a trap and go down as well, feeding you even more pressure. Most killers you can blindly rush a hook with BT and be fine, but not with a prepared hag.
Who said anything about chasing? As Hag you create chains and webs with your traps. You don’t just camp hooks and gens.
I’ve made posts about Hag and have a lot of hours and knowledge about her. The way you explain playing her sounds a lot worse than she is. Even if we agree she’s a top tier killer.
Smart teams don’t sandbag hooks immediately anyways. Especially if they know it’s a hag, so I don’t understand this point.
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@Apple2o said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1005271#Comment_1005271
I would put hag as one of the best killers in the game, even against SWFs using flashlights. They can only disarm your traps if they know where they are, and you should really not be following someone around spamming traps at loops anyways.
Once you get your first hook with her, you can either camp ridiculously hard; laying 10 traps around the hook. Or you can use MYC and basically force people to set off the traps or they will get 1 shot as you return to the hook from 32m.
Most SWF are going to be using the meta builds, and not urban evasion.
I agree Hag is one of the best, but not from all of you’re reasoning. Especially the camping part. If you’re camping as Hag you’re either not good, or for some reason you’re pissed off, which is dumb to do anyhow.
Flashlights I agree with, along with more points to it.
I agree with the UE.
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@Snow_Lep said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1005263#Comment_1005263
Addon reliance vs skill.
Hag can have her power essentially removed by flashlights and urban evasion. Clown is only B due to the broken visual while intoxicated. Other than that he would be a C tier as he is addon reliant as well. The Huntress fits the same boat, would be a C if not for hitboxes working in favor of the hatchet over the survivor. She is addon reliant as well with many using exhaustion hatchets or iri head with infantry belt
The Hag also moves at 4.4 compared to Clown's 4.6. Combine that with the power to close loops, you have to slow down much more to place a trap at a loop as the Hag over just quick throwing a bottle as the Clown.
As I said, Clown truly only gets B due to annoyance level.
Well you don’t understand the power of Hag then. Because UE (a perk people rarely use mind you) doesn’t break her power. Not even close. Neither does flashlights. Hags speed doesn’t hurt her at all. You’re talking about her 4.4 speed, but what about Huntress, Nurse and Spirit? All lower speeds that have GODLIKE potential. Hag is included in the conversation. Plus again, Hag isn’t add on reliant.
And just because clown can get a bottle down quickly, doesn’t mean he’s complete anti loop. Survivors can waste time by doing correct distances on loops, putting pallets early and moving to another loop that’s close by.
Huntress is one of the least add on reliant killers in the game. You can dominate without add ons.
Clown at a B just because you find him annoying shouldn’t be included in a tier list. He has no pressure at all. A lot loops counter his power entirely (which is what his power is about. If you aren’t getting survivors down at quick consistent rate all game, you’re going to lose since 3 survivors can just pressure gens while you’re in a chase.) , if the survivor is a good looper which I believe is what we should measure upon.
I play a lot of survivor. Clowns bottle don’t do anything visually. You can see through them easily.
@Snow_Lep said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1005266#Comment_1005266
That as well. Part of conisideration for placement was how effective against a swf group they are. With S tier being "it doesn't matter" and F being "well this match is over from the start".
With this, you think Clown is a B TIER against a SWF? He’s probably the worst against a SWF.
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@Apple2o said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/1005231#Comment_1005231
How is legion in F tier? You are basically the same as plague, only needing a single M1 hit to get a down. You can slap spirit fury or bamboozle on him/her and shut down any loops if you can't mindgame or don't want to deal with god windows.
Plague is insane against SWF since you can camp with impunity if people don't cleanse, for the same reasons as legion. You can't save against a camp if you are injured.
Clown is also beastly if built correctly and using some good add-ons. It is almost impossible to do anything except feed pallets to a bleach clown who can land his bottles. I would not take him against a SWF, but against solo Q he is more than sufficient.
All killers are more than sufficient against solos.
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Hag at C Tier is a travesty. Especially when you place Clown at B tier and say “if played right..” on Oni and Legion. If played right, Hag is no doubt a top 5 killer. She honestly doesn’t really need Add ons.
Just noticed Freddy too as C tier. Why he if below Clown of all killers? What is your obsession with Clown? He’s a terrible killer.
I understand this is your opinion, but your reasoning confuses me.
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I especially agree with rule number 5.
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I really like this design!!!
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What’s your GT? Just curious. You don’t need to answer if you’re not comfortable doing do.
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@NEVELEVEN11 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/998852#Comment_998852
You want to play?
Sure, we can play some time. My GT is “Morrigan Wicked”.
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@gantes said:
Hag DOES NOT CARE ABOUT BIG MAPS
How are you guys playing her seriously? Are you just wandering around the map playing like a normal M1 killer?
So glad some people know (:
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@NEVELEVEN11 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/998883#Comment_998883
Whats moris?
Maybe 3 hours a day, 5 to 6 days a week since last june.
Im definitely not a low rank.
So a no on Mori.
By that estimate, thats about 480 hours. I find it hard to believe you never lose with that amount of hours. Even if I do love Hag.
So you are Red ranks right?
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@NEVELEVEN11 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/998852#Comment_998852
Because im not at home to see it. Im at work. I dont really careif you know it. I cant say because i wont be home for another 3 hours.
So I guess you are lowered rank and use moris? Or you didn’t answer that for some reason.
I mean it’s not hard to give an estimate. I can tell you off the bat that I have more than a thousand plus hours without even looking.
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@NEVELEVEN11 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/998816#Comment_998816
Well im obviously notcounting games when i was a beginner player. My first game as killer all 4 survived. Obviously im referring to play as a veteran.
I’ve been playing since the game released. There are times where 3-4 survivors escape. It has happened. Unless maybe you play lower ranked games? Or always use Moris? You won’t even mention your play time.
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My opinion with flashlights against Hag:
One or two aren’t going to hurt her.
More than 2 can hurt her, but definitely won’t kill her.
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@NEVELEVEN11 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/998797#Comment_998797
Nope. Hes obviously not the best player.
Not saying that at all. I’m hypothetically speaking.
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@NEVELEVEN11 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/998507#Comment_998507
Nope. Not you or any team you get together could keep me below 3 sacrificed.
The best player in all of DBD has had a game where they’ve gotten no kills. You’re basically just lying to yourself.
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I love this. I got way more backlash for saying this a while ago.
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@TheRockstarKnight said:
Huntress.
Huntress has just two iffy add-ons; Pungent Phial and Amanita Toxin. Amanita Toxin just sucks, but Pungent Phial can still be a bit useful if you're on a map with bad locker spawns (The Game, Yamaoka Maps, Blackwater Swamp) and have down time to reload.
She also has a TON of good add-ons. Iridescent Head, Infantry Belt, Flower Babushka, Yew Seed Concoction, Venomous Concoction, Deerskin Gloves, Manna Grass Braid, Oak Haft, Shiny Pin, Bandaged Haft, and Berus Toxin.
And the rest of her add-ons are decent; not super strong, but still useful.
Myers is a close second. However, Lock of Hair is more of a hindrance than a help, and the entire Stalking movement speed set (Tacky Earrings, Jewellry, Jewellry Box) is all pretty bad. He makes up for this with the Tombstones, the Mirrors, and the Shard set all being so interesting design-wise, even if Vanity Mirror, Judith's Tombstone, and the Shard set can be a bit iffy.
Damn I forgot about Huntress. Most of her add ons I can work with.
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Almost came unglued when I saw the title lol you got me.
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@snowflake102 said:
Also will you post it here or on youtube?
YT.
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I used it quite a bit, but not all the time.
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I don’t anymore. I’ve resorted to kindred over bond. I feel like running both would be a bit overkill.
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Can’t remember the last time I’ve used SC.
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@Deadeye said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/986570#Comment_986570
I know. Doing statistics is never easy for one single person. A statistically meaningful result would be around 1000 or higher. The higher it is, the less chances to have a result set of samples that are far left or far right of the gauss bell. That's why I said others should join, just to get a better idea of the deviation.
Anyone is welcome to for sure! The more the merrier! :D
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@Deadeye said:
20 games might be way too less for a test. Would be better if more people join that and add their 20 games result, addin to the data "ranks played as and against". For better data everyone participating should be the same rank color as killer I guess.
I wish I could do more, but 20 games PER killer is quite a bit. That’s 360 games. And I am keeping track of rank.
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@snowflake102 said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/986206#Comment_986206
Yes I want to see it:)
Would you like to see uncut footage? Or edits in between games, like lobbies?
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@ASpazNamedSteve said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/986301#Comment_986301
Corrupt is still 'no ruin' lol.
If you wanted to go full-on, you'd do x games with only 1 perk - Ruin - and x games with no perks.
Eh... I’ll remove it as a condition. But not sure if I’ll use it. Like I said I have all my perks tracked, so you’ll know if I ran it at all. Thank you for the feedback.
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@ASpazNamedSteve said:
How does using Corrupt Intervention defeat the purpose if the experiment is about Ruin?
How will your data mean anything if you have no Ruin games to compare it to?
Corrupt is similar to Ruin as in early game pressure. Don’t feel like it’s right for this experiment.
Weck already made that point. I’ll probably cut down the “without Ruin” games to 10 and do the same with “with Ruin.
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@Blueberry said:
Really hard to test right now with how messed up the survivor pipping and matchmaking is. Puts lots of people in red rank games that shouldn't be. Kinda ruins the validity.
I’ll try to calculate those who I don’t think are up to par. I do feel that gens will fly regardless in a lot of games.
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Oh right! Are you saying you’re going to be the part who does the games WITH Ruin? If so, I’d greatly appreciate it.
EDIT: Nope. After re reading it, that’s not what you were saying lol. It’s for the best though for me to just do it on my own anyways for the best results.
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Also, should I record these games?
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@Speshul_Kitten said:
Please make it more skill-based it’s not fun playing with potatoes on your team.
I know it’s because the ranks don’t reset as far back as they used to, but we don’t need flooded skill lacking survivors in Red ranks causing even longer queue times.
Anyone else experiencing this? Besides the broken matchmaking.
Not with rank 2s. Ranks 3 and 4 have been hit or miss.
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@humanbeing1704 said:
https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/134/9V99MGK6IHLL.jpeg
haha xbox is the last to get them
So glad I play Xbox :D
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This is a great point.
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@SunderMun said:
It's been 3 patches I think. He got the photography one while Jane got an artist one as part of the same collection. I do want more, though.
He got his last cosmetic on May 29th. Soonest he can get one now is in late March (when the next chapter is approximately going to release. early-mid ).
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@Iceman said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/975875#Comment_975875
That’s no reason to not create cosmetics for a character. Adam cost the same as just as the other characters. And players have spent their money on him.
It would be nice if he could start receiving more attention like the other characters.
Pretty much this here. I play Adam quite a bit and it’s disappointing he hasn’t gotten a cosmetic in almost a year.
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I rarely use it. I especially never rely on it. I prefer PGTW on most killers.
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3 seconds...
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Can you explain why you think Clown is better than Plague, Wraith, Trapper and Pig? Because I personally don’t see it.
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You be careful too. You might get some sweaty red ranks.
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Perk 2 sounds interesting.
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Acesthetiic = Aesthetic. Credit to my sister!
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@ProfessorDunwich said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/958793#Comment_958793
You mistook my perspective as not having read your post. Seemed to really set you off. Put "personally" in italics. Who does that? Screams of someone who often starts sentences with "Well actually..."
Well actually.. (jk)
It seemed like you were trying to dismiss what I had to say, as all you commented on was the norm of solo survivor being mostly frustrating. I put “personal” in italics to express that this isn’t a post about solo survivor in general.
I had no intention of being an ass or anything like that, so I apologize if I offended you.
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@ProfessorDunwich said:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/958677#Comment_958677
Yep, and I was relaying my personal experience(s) and the general consensus of solo survivor with a small dose of sarcasm. You are way to set off by this. I'm sure you are a blast to hang out with.
I’m set off? How do you get that? Lol. You’re the one giving me a snarky reply, “good for you”. Thought I’d give one right back buddy (: