NEW META is in place, not a single win as killer for 2 days

Honestly BHVR, thank you, you are so good at balancing this game.

All gens are done in around 5 minutes. 30 seconds chases are too long to keep up and well with MFT/Resilience, survivors can extend chases way past 1 minute.

It is unbearable, your game is a mess.

Comments

  • So…. improve your game? Are you ending every game with 0 kills? Obviously, this isn’t happening to everyone all the time so what specifically are you struggling with? Focus on that.

  • Dude, I’m sorry, but come on now. If you haven’t won a match in two days, are you playing one game a day? Cause the game is not that imbalanced. It is far from perfect, but this is clearly a skill issue, and I usually hate that term.

  • @DavidHypnos said:

    So…. improve your game? Are you ending every game with 0 kills? Obviously, this isn’t happening to everyone all the time so what specifically are you struggling with? Focus on that.

    It is not happening to players that tunnel, play without tunneling and you will loose 90% of your trials.

  • @Mockingjay_S451 said:

    Dude, I’m sorry, but come on now. If you haven’t won a match in two days, are you playing one game a day? Cause the game is not that imbalanced. It is far from perfect, but this is clearly a skill issue, and I usually hate that term.

    It is unabalanced, we clearly do not play at the same skill level if you think the game is ok... The game feels balanced only against average survivors, once you face good ones it is over you cannot win.

    And yes, during the evening i'm mostly matched against swfs, believe or not.

  • 30 seconds chase are indeed too long, unless you're chasing multiple survivors.

    Maybe you should play survivor for a change? You know, just to relax. You'll be surprised 😁

  • @UnavailableName said:

    Honestly BHVR, thank you, you are so good at balancing this game.

    All gens are done in around 5 minutes. 30 seconds chases are too long to keep up and well with MFT/Resilience, survivors can extend chases way past 1 minute.

    It is unbearable, your game is a mess.

    Neat. I 3k in almost all my games. Without hard tunneling at all.

  • someone else said it best. its defintely a you problem and not an us problem. i think you should evaluate your methods for trying to win

  • C’mon, man. I don’t think saying it’s a skill issue is them trying to be mean. On both the killer and survivor side I had to come to terms with what my biggest weaknesses were and work to improve them, to make certain to focus on my strengths as I did so, and to remember that losing/ending a trial with very little progress doesn’t mean the end of the world. I know killer can be harder in the beginning because they each have their own nuances and you have to learn the basics and their powers, but I honestly believe that once you’ve learned it that it’s the easier side to play (feel free to disagree, many people do!) That being said, I don’t think either side is so imbalanced that they’re unplayable. Both sides have strengths and weaknesses that can make or break a game, but if you are struggling this much I simply ask that you reflect on what you could be doing differently because the reasons you gave are able to be countered on your end. I also ask that you remember that not getting a 4k doesn’t mean you “lost.” When I play survivor I probably don’t escape 90% of the time, but I look at how many gens did we get done? Was I able to help my teammates progress? Did I do my best? The same with killer: I never look at how many kills did I get, but often how many hooks? Playing to win is good, you should always do your best or what makes the game fun for you, but playing thinking that you must always win will make anything unfun.

  • @UnavailableName said:

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3471740#Comment_3471740

    It is not happening to players that tunnel, play without tunneling and you will loose 90% of your trials.

    If you want to play without tunneling you really should be looking into running pain res+pop. As long as your chases are good you don't need to tunnel with that combo.

  • @Hawk81584 said:

    someone else said it best. its defintely a you problem and not an us problem. i think you should evaluate your methods for trying to win

    So you mean i'm so bad that i loose all my games in the lowest MMR possible ?

    As loosin means lower MMR, i should achieve a point where i win right ?

    @EvilSerje said:

    30 seconds chase are indeed too long, unless you're chasing multiple survivors.

    Maybe you should play survivor for a change? You know, just to relax. You'll be surprised 😁

    Yes of course you all down survivors in less than 30 seconds and you win all your games without camping/tunneling cause you are all so much better than anyone else.

    That is the only place on internet where players say the game is balanced and that killer is ok against good survivors 😂

    But that is me the problem...

    That is why this game will never improve, when i see the comments here and the comments on the next Sadako changes saying it is a buff, i can clearly see you know nothing about this game and you might be terrible players.

    If it was true, you would face 100% SWFs :) And you would not win anymore, so stop to lie mate

  • I have yet to lose as killer today. 🤷

  • @GentlemanFridge said:

    I have yet to lose as killer today. 🤷

    Without tunneling of course right ? So much ppl saying ######### here, record 10 games in a row as a killer (not nurse, not spirit, not blight) and show me your high skill :)

  • @UnavailableName said:

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3471740#Comment_3471740

    It is not happening to players that tunnel, play without tunneling and you will loose 90% of your trials.

    Patently not true. I run Ghostface with zero slowdown, no tunneling or camping, and win all of my games.

  • @UnavailableName said:

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3471808#Comment_3471808

    Without tunneling of course right ? So much ppl saying ######### here, record 10 games in a row as a killer (not nurse, not spirit, not blight) and show me your high skill :)

    I don't tunnel. Period. I sometimes even go so far to slug people I accidentally tunneled, to allow them to be picked back up.

    and I played GF, Nemesis, Pinhead (x2), Knight (x2) and Myers today.

    maybe if you upload footage we can give you tangible tips. the burden of proof kinda falls on you, since you're claiming killer is unwinnable.

  • @UnavailableName said:

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3471762#Comment_3471762

    It cannot be a skill issue as there is a MMR system... This community, toxic even on the forum.

    Look if you come here making a point like that with very few people feeling the same way you're not gonna get the response you want. I play Hillbilly without slowdown religiously and when I see those games that go by in 5 minutes I can still pull a 2k, sometimes even a 3k if survivors screw up at the last hurdle. And those 5 minute games are few and far between.

  • @Seraphor said:

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3471754#Comment_3471754

    Patently not true. I run Ghostface with zero slowdown, no tunneling or camping, and win all of my games.

    Then you're against trash survivors, period.

  • Uh you shouldn't meet those kind of players unless you win consistently I think, MMR is more or less working.

    Well it might not be true for some timezones but still.

  • @UnavailableName said:

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3471740#Comment_3471740

    It is not happening to players that tunnel, play without tunneling and you will loose 90% of your trials.

    I see tunnelling in my survivor games maybe 1 out of every 12 games. And I average about a 25% escape rate. So it seems plenty of killers do just fine without tunnelling.

  • @UnavailableName said:

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3471740#Comment_3471740

    It is not happening to players that tunnel, play without tunneling and you will loose 90% of your trials.

    This isnt true. I win games without tunneling. I also go against plenty of Killers who win without tunneling. So either they get the 10% they win in my games (which would be a huge coincidence) or playing Killer is not as bad as you claim it to be.

  • @DavidHypnos said:

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3471766#Comment_3471766

    C’mon, man. I don’t think saying it’s a skill issue is them trying to be mean. On both the killer and survivor side I had to come to terms with what my biggest weaknesses were and work to improve them, to make certain to focus on my strengths as I did so, and to remember that losing/ending a trial with very little progress doesn’t mean the end of the world. I know killer can be harder in the beginning because they each have their own nuances and you have to learn the basics and their powers, but I honestly believe that once you’ve learned it that it’s the easier side to play (feel free to disagree, many people do!) That being said, I don’t think either side is so imbalanced that they’re unplayable. Both sides have strengths and weaknesses that can make or break a game, but if you are struggling this much I simply ask that you reflect on what you could be doing differently because the reasons you gave are able to be countered on your end. I also ask that you remember that not getting a 4k doesn’t mean you “lost.” When I play survivor I probably don’t escape 90% of the time, but I look at how many gens did we get done? Was I able to help my teammates progress? Did I do my best? The same with killer: I never look at how many kills did I get, but often how many hooks? Playing to win is good, you should always do your best or what makes the game fun for you, but playing thinking that you must always win will make anything unfun.

    Stop this. You're talking too much sense.

  • That's not how MMR works. You don't play for 1000 hours and still go against newbie survivors every single game.

    Most killer mains are just babies. They can't function without their quadruple slowdown, tunnel and camp strategy, and when this trifecta of crutches fails, it's not their fault for playing poorly, it's the games fault, it's balance issues, it's map offerings. And when anyone tries to call them out "oH yOu MuSt Be AgAiNsT tRaSh SuRvIvOrS cOs I'm ToP mMr"

  • Analysis Of An "Impossible" Game - YouTube

    Just a video here, he did some mistakes but still, he plays Blight, one of the best player and he is not bad with it and yet he cannot win the game cause he lost 30 seconds overall with his mistakes.

    Now take an A tier killer or lower instead and add the MFT + resilience combo, there is no way you can win against this team.

    And guess what, when there is 100% bp bonus on the killer side, if you play killer you will be thrown in trials against those teams, over and over again cause the SBMM system will favor queue times over quality for the matchmaking.

    Also, a thread on reddit that is less biased than players here that either play low MMR or are just survivor mains saying they have no problem playing killer :

    Il est devenu impossible de s'amuser en tant que tueur et ce rôle est devenu une blague. : r/deadbydaylight (reddit.com)

    Winning as a tier-A or lower killer is possible only against average survivors. Against trioQ/SWFs, it is nearly impossible now, gens are flying way too fast.

  • @UnavailableName said:

    Analysis Of An "Impossible" Game - YouTube

    Just a video here, he did some mistakes but still, he plays Blight, one of the best player and he is not bad with it and yet he cannot win the game cause he lost 30 seconds overall with his mistakes.

    Now take an A tier killer or lower instead and add the MFT + resilience combo, there is no way you can win against this team.

    And guess what, when there is 100% bp bonus on the killer side, if you play killer you will be thrown in trials against those teams, over and over again cause the SBMM system will favor queue times over quality for the matchmaking.

    Also, a thread on reddit that is less biased than players here that either play low MMR or are just survivor mains saying they have no problem playing killer :

    Il est devenu impossible de s'amuser en tant que tueur et ce rôle est devenu une blague. : r/deadbydaylight (reddit.com)

    Winning as a tier-A or lower killer is possible only against average survivors. Against trioQ/SWFs, it is nearly impossible now, gens are flying way too fast.

    Its so ironic that you blame everything but yourself for your losses (here: Genspeeds, Survivor Perks) and then link a video of a player who analyzes their own mistakes.

  • @Aven_Fallen said:

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3472516#Comment_3472516

    Its so ironic that you blame everything but yourself for your losses (here: Genspeeds, Survivor Perks) and then link a video of a player who analyzes their own mistakes.

    Even by correcting its mistakes, he would have never been able to win the game. What is ironic is to have ppl here talking about how good they are and yet there is not a single video showing them winning against good survivors 😂

    Go ahead, record your games and show us. There is only on this forum where players claim to win 80% of their games as killers, everywhere else is "killer is impossible now".

    You might be part of the top 0,001% of the community.

  • @Aven_Fallen said:

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3472516#Comment_3472516

    Its so ironic that you blame everything but yourself for your losses (here: Genspeeds, Survivor Perks) and then link a video of a player who analyzes their own mistakes.

    Even by correcting its mistakes, he would have never been able to win the game. What is ironic is to have ppl here talking about how good they are and yet there is not a single video showing them winning against good survivors 

    😂

    Go ahead, record your games and show us. There is only on this forum where players claim to win 80% of their games as killers, everywhere else is "killer is impossible now".

    You might be part of the top 0,001% of the community.

  • @Aven_Fallen said:

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3472516#Comment_3472516

    Its so ironic that you blame everything but yourself for your losses (here: Genspeeds, Survivor Perks) and then link a video of a player who analyzes their own mistakes.

    Moreover how can you explain that yesterday i have lost or draw every matches withotu going down in MMR ? Are not all trials supposed to be balanced ? So why do i get survivors that completely destroy me ?

    Waiting for a smart answer cause your sarcasms are fun 10 seconds, but you still do not explain anything.

  • Do you have any gameplay that we can view?

    I find it difficult to believe that losing for 2 days straight isn't a skill issue of some sort, but again, I'd like to see some gameplay.

    Maybe we can help

  • @UnavailableName said:

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3472524#Comment_3472524

    Moreover how can you explain that yesterday i have lost or draw every matches withotu going down in MMR ? Are not all trials supposed to be balanced ? So why do i get survivors that completely destroy me ?

    Waiting for a smart answer cause your sarcasms are fun 10 seconds, but you still do not explain anything.

    Nope, not all Trials are supposed to be balanced. It is the overall statistics which count. If all Trials were balanced you would get 2K/2E as the most common result, which is not the case. Most Trials are either 4Ks or 4Es. But overall it should balance out.

    Also, I never claimed that I win 80% of my games. Just that I dont lose 90% because I am not tunneling. Furthermore, tunneling when the Killer actually needs it is nothing the majority complains about. People complain about tunneling at 5 Gens when the Killer is not really required to do it.

    And last but not least - I usually dont bother to explain things when people dont want solutions. You probably never had the thought "Hm... Maybe I did not play THAT well", but blamed other things because you lost. And it this point it would be a waste of time to "explain" stuff.

    From what I have seen, players who genuinely ask for help (both sides) get a lot of good feedback in this forum.

  • @[Deleted User] said:

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3471786#Comment_3471786

    Thats impressive, even killer streamers with thousands of hours in the game suggest that killers tunnel 1 survivor out of the game asap.

    While this is true, those Killer Streamers also have high Killrates. I remember some time ago (this was way before SBMM was a thing, but also when the game was harder for Killer) someone took their time to look at the games of Streamers to see how many Kills they get.

    I think it was tru3, OhTofu and Otz and all of them got at least 3 Kills on average. So it should not be ruled out that non-Streamers also get those numbers.

  • @Aven_Fallen said:

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3472532#Comment_3472532

    Nope, not all Trials are supposed to be balanced. It is the overall statistics which count. If all Trials were balanced you would get 2K/2E as the most common result, which is not the case. Most Trials are either 4Ks or 4Es. But overall it should balance out.

    Also, I never claimed that I win 80% of my games. Just that I dont lose 90% because I am not tunneling. Furthermore, tunneling when the Killer actually needs it is nothing the majority complains about. People complain about tunneling at 5 Gens when the Killer is not really required to do it.

    And last but not least - I usually dont bother to explain things when people dont want solutions. You probably never had the thought "Hm... Maybe I did not play THAT well", but blamed other things because you lost. And it this point it would be a waste of time to "explain" stuff.

    From what I have seen, players who genuinely ask for help (both sides) get a lot of good feedback in this forum.

    So for you a game where you destroy all survivors and then a game where you get completely destroyed is fair ?

    Where is the fun actually in stomping or being stomped ?

    Wow, more i come here m ore i'm amazed by the mindset of ppl i meet 😂

  • @Aven_Fallen said:

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3472545#Comment_3472545

    While this is true, those Killer Streamers also have high Killrates. I remember some time ago (this was way before SBMM was a thing, but also when the game was harder for Killer) someone took their time to look at the games of Streamers to see how many Kills they get.

    I think it was tru3, OhTofu and Otz and all of them got at least 3 Kills on average. So it should not be ruled out that non-Streamers also get those numbers.

    Those streamers have 10k hours as killers and they face the same survivors than someone having 2k hours.

    And still they struggle and have to try hard to win those trials.

    Well, i'm off, this forum is full of trolls.

  • @UnavailableName said:

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3472551#Comment_3472551

    So for you a game where you destroy all survivors and then a game where you get completely destroyed is fair ?

    Where is the fun actually in stomping or being stomped ?

    Wow, more i come here m ore i'm amazed by the mindset of ppl i meet 😂

    This has more to do with bad matchmaking (especially because you can have those games back to back) than anything else. It has nothing to do with Perks or Gen Speeds.

  • @UnavailableName said:

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3471762#Comment_3471762

    It cannot be a skill issue as there is a MMR system... This community, toxic even on the forum.

    People simply disagreeing with your opinion is not toxic. Got to admit i agree with the others, if you are consistently getting 0 kills then you need to change your playstyle. Mmr is wonky at best.

    Example if you refuse to tunnel, ever, then you are hamstringing yourself. There is no killer rulebook, tunneling, camping and slugging are all viable tactics. I don't make a habit of them myself but if gens are flying I'll fall back on that because it gets me easy hits, hooks and pressure.

    If gens are flying there are plenty of other tactics, run regression perks, herd the survivors into 3 genning themselves or pressure gens more effectively. There's no reason for you to commit to a chase that is going to last ages. Once I identify good chase runners in a team I'll slap them and let them run of injured to deal with them later and target the weaker links. Catch them later when they have less options or when they slip up.

    I play killer a lot and i do well in the majority of my games, can't say the recent perks and updates have changed that much.

  • Well, as I keep saying over and over, so many people on here complained about healing, so kits were homenogized and made boring. All that's left to do is get in a chase or stay glued to a gen.

    Now that for some reason they removed the BP bonus off PTS, you're really gonna get gen rushed now, dejavu will be the new go to perk, and then we'll really wait to see the complaints.

    Before we could search for totems, use CoH, heal ourselves and each other, people were afraid to do gens injured. Not anymore. Be careful what you wish for because this is the result.

    I'm going to start copy pasting this because it keeps getting asked on here over and over.

  • @Pulsar said:

    Do you have any gameplay that we can view?

    I find it difficult to believe that losing for 2 days straight isn't a skill issue of some sort, but again, I'd like to see some gameplay.

    Maybe we can help

    Played during 100% bp for killers, faced SWFs/TrioQ only, had some draws but did not have a single win.

    @[Deleted User] said:

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3471786#Comment_3471786

    Thats impressive, even killer streamers with thousands of hours in the game suggest that killers tunnel 1 survivor out of the game asap.

    Exactly but remember that ppl here have said :

    • old COH was fair
    • old DH was fair
    • old DS (you could use it twice) was fair
    • MFT is fair
    • MFT + resilience is ok

    It means a lot about those players.

  • @UnavailableName said:

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3472538#Comment_3472538

    Played during 100% bp for killers, faced SWFs/TrioQ only, had some draws but did not have a single win.

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3472545#Comment_3472545

    Exactly but remember that ppl here have said :

    • old COH was fair
    • old DH was fair
    • old DS (you could use it twice) was fair
    • MFT is fair
    • MFT + resilience is ok

    It means a lot about those players.

    You have some software to show you SWF's I presume?

  • Explain to us what is YOUR winning condition, then. Do you think you've lost because you didn't get any kills or downs? Or is it a loss if even one survivor escapes? Do you always aim for 4K?

  • Yes, now play as if 80% of the SWFs are not recognizable 😂

    All the time the same argument here, you guys should grow up, really.

    Pity Cruiser

    City Bruiser

    Cuty proser

    Duty Filler

    "they are not a SWF, you have no proof about it"

  • @UnavailableName said:

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3471740#Comment_3471740

    It is not happening to players that tunnel, play without tunneling and you will loose 90% of your trials.

    False. I do not tunnel and end the majority of my games with 3k or more. If you HAVE to tunnel to get kills, you're just not good enough.

    To OP, if you lose games for 2 days straight.... that's literally just a skill issue. Get better at the game

  • @UnavailableName said:

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3471740#Comment_3471740

    It is not happening to players that tunnel, play without tunneling and you will loose 90% of your trials.

    Horse Crap you don't need to tunnel or camp to win.

    With this post and your OP your not good at playing killer.

    Learn from your mistakes stop taking every match as you have to win and practice get better.

  • @UnavailableName said:

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3472656#Comment_3472656

    Yes, now play as if 80% of the SWFs are not recognizable 😂

    All the time the same argument here, you guys should grow up, really.

    Pity Cruiser

    City Bruiser

    Cuty proser

    Duty Filler

    "they are not a SWF, you have no proof about it"

    So you're admitting that you're just playing it off of feelings.

    You actually have zero clue.


    Anyways, I am once again asking for gameplay so that we can try to help out with tips.

  • @[Deleted User] said:

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3471786#Comment_3471786

    Thats impressive, even killer streamers with thousands of hours in the game suggest that killers tunnel 1 survivor out of the game asap.

    I think Im in a lower mmr then I should be, Its less that im good and more that the survivors I get matched with arent. and sometimes I need to tunnel as a clutch mechanic, im not 100% tunnel free lol.

  • Maybe reevaluate on your definition of winning in this game.

  • @[Deleted User] said:

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3471786#Comment_3471786

    Thats impressive, even killer streamers with thousands of hours in the game suggest that killers tunnel 1 survivor out of the game asap.

    Maybe hes "soft tunneling" and stops after the first 2 survivors are dead.🤣

  • @[Deleted User] said:

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3471786#Comment_3471786

    Thats impressive, even killer streamers with thousands of hours in the game suggest that killers tunnel 1 survivor out of the game asap.

    That's not impressive. Most people playing this game are not good at video games. This includes the content creators.

  • @Aven_Fallen said:

    https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3472516#Comment_3472516

    Its so ironic that you blame everything but yourself for your losses (here: Genspeeds, Survivor Perks) and then link a video of a player who analyzes their own mistakes.

    he even says "i'm just not that good at blight yet" in the opening 2 minutes like cmon people