The Trend I See with Killer Mains
Why is it with each update is there a new thing to complain about? Originally it was vaulting, that got nerfed into the ground. Then it was Exhaustion perks that got nerfed. Then it was DS that got nerfed after a while. Then it was Borrowed Time, that perk has been through the wringer. Throughout all that time only a few people has once complained about Generator time, then now it's all the rage. Why does it seem like every time survivors has to adapt a new playstyle just to be able to survive this happens?
Even they complain about SWF but nobody really wants to play with a group of people who just UE their way around the map or get down after 10 seconds of a chase, or farm their own teammate because they want to get their alturism points. Hence why people get a group together, it's inevitable. Killers aren't to suppose to always get 4ks and survivors aren't suppose to always survive. For some reason that pisses off a lot of players but that's how the game is suppose to be.
I'm not talking about all Killers of course but quite a few.
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You can get your hooks that's fine but what's not fine is two survivors hooked right next to each other to be easily camped that's the issue I have with it.
Did you just say borrowed time got nerfed into the ground? What drugs are you on and where can I get some of them?
(No longer a single use perk and you can mend YOURSELF now unlike with the endurance effect where you either self cared or you got someone else to heal you)
You can make quite some discoveries when all Survivors suddenly use the same tactics.
Adrenaline used to be pretty rare from my perspective.
And now it's not that uncommon to see 4 of them pop back to healthy.
Not saying that's OP, I'm saying that something gets nerfed, so they'll find something else, abuse the ######### out of it and it'll hardly go by unnoticed.
@StupidButTru said:
Even they complain about SWF but nobody really wants to play with a group of people who just UE their way around the map or get down after 10 seconds of a chase, or farm their own teammate because they want to get their alturism points. Hence why people get a group together, it's inevitable. Killers aren't to suppose to always get 4ks and survivors aren't suppose to always survive. For some reason that pisses off a lot of players but that's how the game is suppose to be.I agree - it's frustrating when there's a lack of coordination and teammates are not doing objectives. However, what makes this game special is that lack of communication and coordination; survivors trapped in a strange new world and haphazardly trying to get out. I feel that voice comms spoils that atmosphere. It's not meant to be a FPS game like COD or Fortnite. However, I feel that killers are balanced somewhere between solo and SWF. Hence the sense of needing to team up with competant players - I play SWF myself sometimes.
Give this man a cookie! After reading all this thread, I have to say that this guy knows.
I've been playing since Bubba's release and I have to say that this game has changed for the best. I love this version of the game, without cookie mold metas (like if you don't run certain perks you lose!!)
As a killer main myself, now I love playing survivor because I have OPTIONS. I can go super altruistic or gen jokey. And as killer, I used to feel forced to play using the meta: "Ruin" and "BBQ" (that's why I understand "Decisive Strike's widows"). But now we have "corrupt intervention" and "Pop goes the weasel" and many more to come, so we have more options and we can break the mold of the old meta.
I use to think that running away from the killer was easy, but surprise!! It's hard!! When I play killer I see survivors running me more than a minute. That survivor has practiced a lot to play like that and I respect that (except when they BM but that's a totally different topic). If you feel the game is unbalanced, it's because you need to play both sides. Playing one side or the other feels like two totally different games.
Meh... Most nerfs were justified and I don’t see them changing the gen time. I don’t believe they should anyways.
*shows 4 images of the exact same totem*
Yeah ok
It is the exact same totem because the 4 spawns you screenshottes only appear once per match.
If you had Spawn 1 f.e then spawn 4 wouldn't show up, I've played this game since winter Solstice 2017 (just before the SAW chapter was released) and I've played my fair share of infinite ward.
The hollowed blight event was a mess due to the fact so many ppl just wanted to farm instead of actually play. How do you think your game is going to go when one of your teammates just farmed flowers when the match started, then found the killer to suicide on hook and start another game? The year of the Pig event was abit better with giving a secondary objective, due to it hashing out points that required you to actually play the match. Survivors had to look for something OTHER than gens, which used up time. On the other hand, killers were incentivized to leave hooks due to them having to hunt down lanterns while the survivor was on the hook.
I belive Killers speed is the reasson why we are arguing here. Make more objectives - Makes game more tedious, make new actions for survivors, wont do much either ...
I belive from my opinion. Two things needs to be done. I feel like Survivors are extremely fast at looping, even faster then a killer. Game needs to be more focused on mindgames, add beds, closets etc. so survivors have more hiding spots. Nerf scratches, because they support chases. Make killers considerably faster. From my point of view, This game became action packed game instead of horror one, and Survivors have really much easier game then killers. Unless Nurse or the spirit is picked.
Also Hex Totems should be better hidden and dont light like lighthouses, my opinion overall.
Time for a history lesson.
The reason survivors were dying during the Hallowed Blight event was not because of the secondary objective, but simply because they chose to. The devs made the event too grinding, and survivors quickly discovered that it was easier to just max out the vials, suicide/get killed, and move on to another trial. This led to a spike in deaths even among those who didn't do that (because they were outnumbered by the ones who did).
Well where else can they put them? I don't want totems to be ridiculously hard to find as it'll become a chore and killers will get guaranteed kills (buffing totem spots buffs several hex perks including NOED)
Some totems are hard to find anyway
As for totems. Nerf the hex perks, and get rid of totems. Or leave the totems as an optional bloodpoints objective. Either way, as they are now, they are almost useless perks to run as many times before you can even scput your first generator ypur hex is gone. But if the totems are hid too well then everyone complains. Get rid of them and just lower the power level of the perks themselves.
Content creators are not to be trusted when talking about balance especially since many of them have certain demographics killer main/survivor main so they will most likely talk about the side that most of their demographic plays and how it needs buffs. Calling them data isn't correct. It's very anecdotal. I could list real data from the devs to argue the game is balanced but people will scream fake...
As for the actual thread killers do need some buffs still the game is still unbalanced a fair bit. It's way better nowadays but we have a few killers that need slight buffs ect. And if we're buffing solo play up to SWF we need to buff killers as well. A lot of the unbalanced talk is very exaggerated though.
Since this thread involves a lot of youtuber discussion. We can all agree Otzdarva is the best DBD youtuber, yes?
Someone posted something with gen speed math, i dont remember where though.
The gist of it was that even with just 3 people doing gens, assuming the killer is always chasing someone, it takes something like 3-4 mins to complete all gens and escape.
The only reason a game should last longer than 5 mins is if the killer is a good nurse, or if the survivors play badly.
The flow is 100% set by survivors, the killer has very little power to do anything to change it, especially is survivors are good and are in discord.
Can we stop riding True like he's a God or something? There are other Killer mains HybridPanda, Monto, etc and again they are just people who play the game like everyone. Everybody has a complain about the game, some are valid others are horsecrap. But we can all agree SWF communications give advantage over Killers and it will always cause complains. I guess devs will keep nerfing and buffing perks until it can balance that in some way.
-Watches from a far away place-
Gen Times are fine..
If they could add Custom settings to KYF that would be great. So we could test things out like this.
Would a 2 minute timer work? Would it combat SWF or would it hurt Solo players?
So you have to think of things that could make longer gen times miserable.
Cause most players don't get all 5 gens done, sometimes they only get one done. (In the Gen Times Current State)
So why haven't the Dev's added Gen time? Because guess what... if you like it or not.. It is currently balanced.
If you don't want gens done so early PATROL faster. Chase is going on for too long? Break off and go to generators to halt its progress.
These are my thoughts on "Can gen time increase"
The other Nerfs like D.S. I guess.. was needed (Even though as a Myers I was fine with it..)
Borrowed Time..? No nerf needed. It's called Don't Tunnel then you can avoid it. (It doesn't even last long) 🤣😂
MoM Nerf..? Eh it was needed. (But could've been done differently)
But that's just my opinion.
No one you mentioned is a killer main. At least true and monto aren't. They play both roles.
maths: gens can be done in 5 min.
math too: you can get 4k in less than 3 min.
Both sides like to find something to complain about, it isn’t just one side.
I see this kinda argument pop up a lot and I just have to say, it isn’t true. Whenever we say gens times are fine we look at how the weakest killer in the game on the worst killer map can still keep a 2k average, which is a balanced game. When we said nurse was op we based it on her 76% kill rate at R1, we follow the stats and make out decisions.
Tru3talent is a killer main, don't know what you're on about. Sure he plays both sides equally but it's obvious he caters to killer side and prefers killer
If you play both roles you aren't something something main. You understand the game better.
I play both roles but I’m not a 50/50 player, I main survivor because I play survivor more although I plan on playing killer more once I get my ps + back.
Tbh as long as I'm not punished for excessive lobby dodging I'm fine with the game. Why? Because my only problems are keys and 2+ toolboxes. They can easily fix keys, and I might post my idea for a rework for keys some time.
I don't whine about everything they do. They nerfed Legion, didn't utter a word, they nerfed Pig's endgame, didn't say anything because I still worked through both of those things. They nerfed plague's vomit holding speed to 110%, didn't say a thing because I still do good with her.
However, when they do stuff like buff perks that are on the edge of being broken it becomes a problem.
Competitive games make people very competitive. With new perks, new metas, new issues, new killers the game starts to evolve. This creates issues on both sides of the board. The game was pretty balanced and is to a extent now, but the game will eventually tip to either being killer sided or survivor sided again. (My votes killer sided)
Killers want the 4k and Survivors want to escape. The Devs have stated the ideal model would be 2 escape and 2 sacrificed. This is happening in some games at lower ranks, but realistically one side is usually stomped harder then the other. This happens for many reason the biggest being Skill levels.
Such issues include toxic behavior, infinite loops, tunneling, camping, mori cancelling (seriously who thought this was a good idea?), bullying from both sides, waiting for hatch to spawn since it no longer needs gens done (stupid imho), bullying new players by either deranking or playing smurf accounts, misplaced terms i.e gen rushing/camping/tunneling, etc. All of these go in circles.
People dont seem to realize that on the other side of the screen is another person so whenever something bad happens they either take it out on them or take it out on the next person (who's innocent and about to repeat said circle).
Like any competitive game Meta's change and as a result the outcry for what needs to be fixed is changed. DS for an example needed to be changed it was clearly broken it made killers lose any momentum in the game. People will say I'm wrong, but the fact is even now a single DS can cause a killer to lose this momentum. Well killer shouldn't tunnel? I have personally as a Survivor been hit and DS after another survivor has been hooked and done this to a killer.
TLDR:
Metas change for everything as a result new outcry for nerfs will happen.
Survivors had nothing to do with Pig's nerf it was EGC that did that, Plauge can still vomit excessively so that was fair unless you want her to be able to spew her vomit endlessly. Legion why does everybody seem to forget about Moonwalking Legion. Survivors rarely gets any buffs.
The question is whats wrong with keys?
In that case I'm not a survivor main I'm a 50/50 player even though I play survivor more by several hours.
Monto consistently plays killers, True consistently plays killer, Hybrid consistently plays killer, you can switch sides momentarily but if you were to ask those guys which they'd perfer playing they might say killer.
Do?.... . Do you know that the data is botched to the point of no repair?
It's not that exaggerated..survivors say bbq us overpowered so I agree with you that kind of ranting is idiotic however there has been testing done that shows factually survivors with dedicated good teams are borderline invincible in the games current state
No..or youd look at the clips of gens flying in less than five minutes and realize the stats are bs, devs even admit they're not accurate
Not 100% accurate, they never said all of the stats are bs and Peanits corrected the “bs” ones.
These "vaulting" issues are really latency and hitbox issues. Should resolve with Dedicated Servers. Also, killers have reach. They aren't T-rexs (?).
And they consistently play survivor but you obviously don't watch them to see that. True plays 50/50 on his streams. Monto plays both sides also.
Except that's not taking into account survivors who work two people to a generator, which is less efficient, or the time taken to traverse the map looking for generators to do, or the time survivors spend hiding instead of doing gens because the killer is nearby, or survivors who stop doing generators to go and save their teammates, or the generator regression if the killer breaks a gen while that survivor is hiding or unhooking, etcetera etcetera. The only reason a game should last less than 5 minutes is if all four survivors play perfectly, or if the killer is playing badly.