The Trend I See with Killer Mains
Why is it with each update is there a new thing to complain about? Originally it was vaulting, that got nerfed into the ground. Then it was Exhaustion perks that got nerfed. Then it was DS that got nerfed after a while. Then it was Borrowed Time, that perk has been through the wringer. Throughout all that time only a few people has once complained about Generator time, then now it's all the rage. Why does it seem like every time survivors has to adapt a new playstyle just to be able to survive this happens?
Even they complain about SWF but nobody really wants to play with a group of people who just UE their way around the map or get down after 10 seconds of a chase, or farm their own teammate because they want to get their alturism points. Hence why people get a group together, it's inevitable. Killers aren't to suppose to always get 4ks and survivors aren't suppose to always survive. For some reason that pisses off a lot of players but that's how the game is suppose to be.
I'm not talking about all Killers of course but quite a few.
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XDDD at least we go off data not anecdotal nonsense
Can't tell but I hope this is sarcasm. Never been gen rushed if not
Its not... this is what you see when someone only plays one side..
Actually they say they only dont do it because they dont think itll fix the issue believe it or not
What data do you have can you provide them to me then since you know so much.
If the devs are pressured enough they'll cave in and apply the demand eventually they've done it before.
Go look up tru3etalent, the dbd casefile series from bricky , watch any streamer with tons of in game experiance..its universal..I've played every killer but clown and bubba extensively, I've played a good deal of survivor as well..I've seen just about all I can see here...I've seen it in the past versions of dbd and I've seen it in the time I've been here..just look around you dude
Do... do you know what data means? If that's not anecdotal evidence, I don't know what is.
As for the OP, it's not an overstatement to say that killers are constantly complaining about survivors being too OP, but it very much goes both ways. Why do you think Nurse and Billy are allegedly getting nerfed? It's certainly not because the killers complained...
Which is not to say that none of the complaints are justified, that's a whole different discussion, but I don't think it's fair to make out like killer mains are the only ones doing it.
I'm very aware..I just know the numbers..seen the times recorded, have experimented with many different things....data means I know the facts...far from anecdotal my friend..anything else ?
DS was a carbon copy of Friday the 13th game feature it was a one time use and you had to be the obession for it to work especially if you weren't obession you needed to reach 30% wiggle bar, even then Killers would juggle survivors to counter DS. Vaulting didn't need to be nerfed so bad that the killer can still hit you despite being on the other side already. BT was created as a anti camping perk, if you weren't in the area of the hook BT didn't work you could sit there and camp but you got punished for camping.
I do watch streamers on both sides usually I see killers whine saying they can't get their 4k, and I see survivors getting brutally murdered by the killer unless they ran with a squad. TrueTalent =Killer Main Bricky= Killer Main Those guys are trying to speak for a group they rarely ever play so how does that correlate with survivors?
My point is if you're trying to prove that you have the numbers, you should support your argument with numbers rather than using your own or others' personal experience as you did, which is the definition of anecdotal evidence. I wouldn't even have pointed it out if you hadn't been so scathing of "anecdotal nonsense" in your earlier comment.
Is there ever going to be an "argument" on these forums where people don't speak about killer mains and bring up Tru3? He isn't the only killer main and he doesn't speak for the "killer main" community. His word isn't gospel.
I made sure to say only a select few not all Killer mains.
I'm not speaking on all Killer mains just a small group of them.
...true is an exact 50/50 player.....shows you know very little of him
Hm..I only mentioned it because he said nobody talked of gen speeds till recently which is simply not true..anything else?
You clearly watch True religiously, but the man has more killer videos than survivor,.
Did you ever watch his streams? He plays 50/50 switching between killer and survivor every game.
Because they tend to be the better games..but he plays rotation every day minus ptb launches for obvious reasons..its the streams you need to see to get the full picture
No, I've made my point, and I'm not interested in derailing this thread any further. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that "anything else" was simply a polite invitation to continue the discussion, even though I suspect that's not the case.
this guy literally just tries to tell people they're wrong and need to watch streamers to see proof as if we ourselves don't play the ######### game.
Nah mate streamers are the only people worth listening to, for they are the mighty wolves and we are mere sheep. Also they know everything because they have the devs on speed dial.
I'm sorry I didn't know my place, I will go online now and allow the killer to kill me. Forgive me for my tresgression.
I am not worthy of wielding such power. You'll have to ask forgiveness from a streamer.
Its maybe because the game was completely survivor favorered at the beginning of the game. Now its in a pretty balanced state, but there are still a few problems with it like repedetively survivor gameplay and some maps. You can't just say "fixing actual game problems" is just "nerfing survivors due to whining killer mains". Thats just a lie. Remember various Nurse nerfs. Remember (me) Freddy nerfs. Remember Legion destruction.
Yea it still sucks that 1 bad chase can ruin the game, or get maps like Haddon field and Auto haven. This game isn't to skill based ether tbf. You will (not often) lose to people with less skill than you. And it sucks sometimes, Understand why so many killers get annoyed about that
Nurse didn't recieve a huge nerf, and she's still considered top tier (Omega Nurse Oops), Freddy didn't even get nerfed all they did was flip his ability that made him see survivors outside his terror radius rather than inside which gave him natural bbq and chili. Then of course are we gonna ignore Moonwalking Legion? Are we really doing this?
Okay I understand that but nerfing survivors some more and giving them more M1 or LB isn't the solution, adding a secondary objective isn't the way to go either remember the last even with the flowers? Survivors got murdered.
You can pretty much.
Not every killer exploits, but still... even with that truth in mind, every Legion got punished.
No matter how his playstyle was.
Imagine for a secound, survivors would be treated on the same way and get a rework with a penaltie after every action of them...
This forum would be full of complaining threads and I mean really full... Page 1 of the general forums would be nothing more like "why did you do this to us?" threads.
You guys can be lucky, because bhvr was in the past forgiving towards survivors. I would have been not. A exploiter is a exploiter. No matter if they are a killer, or a survivor and they all would be deserve to be perma banned.
Yea, Idk what the solution is but I hope the devs can find one
Looping is a legit method too but Killer wants loops to get cut off easily so they can end chases easily and what happened it got done but somehow looping exist, which shows survivors just simply adapt. Vaulting did get nerfed ----> https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/66546/fast-vault-nerf
Thats why BT was the way it was, if you wanted to camp you got punished for it but Killers hated the perk because they couldn't just sit there and get another kill easily, well now they can.
Also hooks got buffed there's a hook at every corner and right next to each other.
What exploit is there now?
It got nerfed, because it got too strong in combination with DH, DS and Adrenaline. Imagine that exact four perks still being meta lmao.
People still use it now. Despite those perks being nerfed. Ever wonder why?
Oh boi
Nurse received various HUGE nerfs in the past (less ports, less porting speed, less charging time). More nerfs incoming.
Freddy got straightout nerfed with time to put a survivor to sleep.
Moonwalk legion is an exploit, so report it.
What is wrong with complaining about unbalanced game mechanics? Obviously the devs considered the old vaulting, the old exhaustion mechanic etc. unbalanced too, otherwise these would not have been nerfed.
And Borrowed Time did not get nerfed, it's currently the strongest it has ever been.
Also, survivors are able to do their objective too fast. Killers ARE at a disadvantage, that's not an empty complaint.
Not everybody who is asking for a fair game and killer buffs/survivor nerfs is a killer main.
Shortly after I have left the game because of the Legion patch, I have read about 2 survivor perk exploits. Those guys got not banned, far as I have read it and to my time as I had play the game, existed also survivor exploits (like loop exploits as example on specific maps and specific loop spots on it).
Would there be a equal treatment for everyone, everyone would have been banned who exploits, but in fact the only big ban wave I have heard of had hit the exploiting Legion's and the rest of the Legion's that have not exploit have got that freaking Legion patch thrown for their feet (guess as thanks from bhvr because we have all the time fair play? That was not necessary bhvr, but I guess you guys know that by now).
But don't get me wrong.
I don't write this lines to do here a survivor vs. killer thing. I just write it, so that some survivors maybe can see now, how many luck they had in the past and there is absolut no reason for some arguments.
Looping isn't an exploit
Why it got nerfed? Because this combo is incredibly strong.
Why people still use it? Because this combo is STILL incredibly strong. Obviously. xD
Looping isn't an exploit. You are right... If we talk about the normal looping, we all know from the game. Not if we talk about specific looping spots on specific maps that are be considered as being bugged, far as I have read it and a few times see it in the game.
*Looks at Hook buffs, Hag buffs, Trapper buffs, Wraith buffs, Noed buffs, Ruin buffs, Pallet nerfs, Loop nerfs, faster hook time, improved lunge speed, pick up animation buff, spirit buff, reduced killer footstep, totem placement buffs* Ok.
That is a list of urgently needed adjustments and nothing that brings killers on an even level with survivors. That you even mention Trapper, Wraith, totem spots as if they were in a good spot now feels unreal.
And whether the changes to NOED are a buff or a nerf is debatable.
P3 Myers btw.... but okay I know nothing about both roles despite me getting a nice hefty 4k tonight against R1 survivors running BT, SB, BL, DS, UB, Toolboxes and keys. Sure I know nothing about playing killer. Once this dedicated servers roll out to Consoles and I see the same issue then what you're telling me about latency is bs.
There are no infinite loops especially now, that video you linked me is from 3 years ago. I haven't even said anything about killers except that they whine about survivors and how they play the game. I haven't said anything about their perks or powers, which killers does do quite frequently.
Camping has increased since BT got nerfed which is saying something. Maybe because I know how to play survivor it helps me play as Killer so I understand how to counter them easily and play them at their own game. I'm not just pulling hankerchiefs out my ass here.
You chose one map. Out of many. Okay good example. Send me one of Yamaoka estate, Meat Plant, Backwater Swamp, O'Lery's, Puragation, Mother's Dwellings, etc.
Now hooks are literally at every corner and sits right next to each other, If I can play patty cake with the survivor on the hook next to me that screams something. Also there are gens that sit right next to each other which gives the killer easy access to camp, plus there's hooks right next to gens.
The irony is palpable.
Yeah, killer mains complain about a lot, but survivor mains do too.
Hell, the second Nurse nerfs were announced to be in the works it was instantly "SPIRIT OP," as soon as she gets a change it'll be onto the next on until all we have are Trappers with no traps.
Read that Offering closely.. (SLIGHTLY) which doesn't make a difference.
I check through the forums, I see more killers complaining about the survivors and gens, than I see survivors whining. Maybe through messages they might but primarily in the forums its mostly killers.