to all people saying "nurse basekit is fine"
"nurse isnt OP, just her addons are and need a rework" -> well, youre all wrong :)
nurse is even OP af without any addons
mah boi zubat will show you easily <3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCsmXON53BIanother day another nurse thread ^-^ i wish you all a happy weekend
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What does that have to do with my point? My point was any good player can make ANY KILLER look god like. Most survivors just are too lazy and don't wanna take the time to learn how to counter nurse, they expect to be able to loop her, because that's their only strategy against killers, and when they can't, they scream for a nerf and complain that she's too OP. Omega blink nurse is OP. Base kit nurse is not, however. Sorry dude.
How about red rank, level 1, which is much harder....
Red rank, level 1. Much harder also...
Are you seriously that dense to not see a difference between Leatherface and Nurse
Wait, are people still saying they can counter the Nurse in chases WITHOUT posting videos of that working against a Nurse player of, let's say, Zubat's level?
Jfc sometimes staying away from these forums is the ultimate form of self-care
The discussion is about god Nurses, not your average killer that couldn't get into red ranks, picked up the Nurse and climbed to rank 1 because you can do that while being mediocre with her
accurate meme from post rework legion
Yes 4Head People are still like "JuSt UsE yOuR bRaIn tO CoUnTeR nUrSE LOL"
That's the huge risk of using that perk. That's not the nurse's fault but the survivors risk for "announcing position come get me". That's actually a beautiful dynamic, you bring that perk to nullify Ghostface's power or does the Nurse use it to her advantage? Survivor has to decide that at the campfire and not scream for nerfs when they use a perk that is especially strong against a particular killer. Good survivors still have the option to hide with OoO when they know the nurse is coming.
Also, nerfing Nurse's addons will handicap her even further with dealing with SWF genrush teams. I suppose we will see who the devs cater to.....SWF or killers? I think we know the answer already.
I think your claim is false but lets assume for a minute that god survivors can beat a god nurse 'easily' as you want them to be able to do. Which killer stands up to give those god survivors a challenge? Nobody, no killer. What's the point in them playing survivor? Answer: To Bully, that's their enjoyment and that's why this thread exists.
I'm so glad you have a forums account just for this ######### lol
I kinda love that "argument". Somebody tries to reason how and why -> Doesn't work on good nurse players. -> End of discussion.
Thing is: even a good nurse players have limits with their blinks. And once wrote a longer post trying to explain, what I meant. It's just hard to say. And It's not just about judging the blink distance. It's about judging, where she lands with her first blink e.g. and how to move to position yourself good against the second blink. It's really hard to say how and why, because it's more a game feel thing. I tried to go into detail in past discussions. I really don't want to repeat myself, all the time and already tried to explain it. (https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/comment/561406#Comment_561406)
You can explain what you think will work all you want but I want to see you prove it. Its not hard. It would take 5 minutes tops.
Did you even read anything I wrote? Because I explained it quite clearly.
Face camping to body block a hook made unhooking IMPOSSIBLE.
Permanent sabo made hooking IMPOSSIBLE.
If you think one is okay, you must think the other is okay too or else you are a hyprocite.
Fact is, neither are okay because it's broken when a player can make an action impossible for their opponent. It doesn't matter if said action is the right tactical decision or not. The problem is that the option doesn't even exist.
Also you throw out the term "gish gallop" but I don't think you understand what it means, just like you don't understand what cognitive dissonance means either. You are just using buzzwords to avoid being seen as a hypocrite.
Are you that dense and can't see that I just proved someone can be just as deadly with a crappy killer?
Drop a nuclear bomb on an island with one person living on it. Result: 1 person dies.
Shoot a guy in the head. Result: 1 person dies.
GuNs ArE aS StRonG as NuClEar BomBs
That's probably the worst example I've ever seen.
That's exactly the level of "proof" we have that Nurse is counterable.
Spoiler: it makes their point look even weaker.
I mean, if we got to the level of comparing Nurse to BUBBA I think there's nothing of value to be gained in this discussion.
Some mod close this thread please.
Go get a whamburger and some French cries then. You don't want a solution, you don't wanna learn how to counter play, you just want nerfs.... Go play fortnite then dude.... I'm out. This forum is all hate towards nurse, and when someone shows you her counter play, you still deny it. When someone trys explaining it, you throw your fingers in your ears and scream NERF! NERF! NERF! Later dudes.... This is nothing but bait and I fell for it...
So kinda like when we point out that nurse isn’t OP and others put their fingers in their earshot and shout “THE SURVIVORS PLAYED POORLY”?
You provided an example of a bad nurse getting smacked.
*is OP
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Don't pander to the legion mains to try and prove a point. She will by no means be a legion case, you're going to extremes. But she needs to be tuned down like it or not.
Why, you all thought your echo chamber of shouting how Nurse isn't OP was gonna stop sound reason of why in fact she is? And now since valid points have been made and alot of the defenders claims have been addressed and debunked you want to forfeit by asking "mods close the thread"?
No keep this open, because we need to talk about this mess.
That was actually a good example of a smart survivor exploiting the nurse's weakness. Most survivors, probably like yourself, would have continued running in the wide open field.
Exactly, only reason she wasn't touched yet was due to seniority in game.
There has been valid points on both sides, and you saying that their has been only valid points on one side already says a lot about you, Im only saying that someone needs to close this thread because the points have already been made, nurse addons are the only things need changing, and the only reason why this is all a "mess" is because everyone is making it A mess by keeping this thread up
"Why, you all thought your echo chamber of shouting how Nurse isn't OP was gonna stop sound reason of why in fact she is?" Unnecessary rudeness and
"No keep this open, because we need to talk about this mess." its only gonna make it messier, so what do you want?
This is absolutely, 100% false. Most people are terrible at this game, especially against nurse.
And a god Nurse wouldn't have cared about that.
I stand by my point. Find a video of a top level Nurse getting consistently countered. I know of Zubat, but if you know someone of a similar level, by all means, bring footage of that person being countered. Until then, I only see mediocre Nurses getting clapped by good survivors, which isn't a good gauge of how strong she is.
Who am I kidding, you won't find footage of that. Because it doesn't happen.
The "valid" points made on the other side have more or less been debunked. Stealth is borderline useless against her, her counterplay is negligible, and regardless even you've become skilled with her at base, that doesn't negate that she's OP. And she needs to be balanced around that.
It is literally impossible for a good Nurse to lose with Omegablink. Double standard my ass. The only possible explanation is the Nurse was terrible.
Oh and also we say the nurse was terrible if she lost, because you all say how she's the power role and sets things in motion, how she's completely reliant on the players skill, so with that same coin if you lose as nurse essentially you're terrible with her.
Going by that logic.
I think Zubat would lose if he played vs. four Zubats. I honestly believe that. Good luck finding such a match.
If there are four survivors playing optimally and using the best toolboxes, the Nurse should be allowed to use Omegablink.
And then win because nothing beats Omegablink unless the Nurse player themselves.
Nurse only needs an addon rework and a bug fix for a bug thats been around for too long. The bug that allows nurse to swing before her model becomes visible again after blinking. Nurse used to have a little delay before she could swing after a blink that allowed for more dodging, but after the vertical blinking buff she got, something broke and allowed her to come out of a blink swinging immediately giving survivors no time to react. The only other change I think would be nice is if stunning her with a pallet was the only thing that could put her blink on cooldown for like 3-5 secs making pallets actually useful against her.
If I'm a hypocrite show me a good Nurse losing with Omegablink.
Are you seriously claiming a random Nurse from a cherry picked survivor sided video is your baseline for a good Nurse?
Zubat is not a random Nurse.
I dont even think her base power should be nerfed. Its a necessary evil until the time efficiency issue is fixed. Her addons are getting worked on soon though.
Maybe we will find a cloning machine at area 51.
I dont think they should nerf anything about nurse (except addon) until after they fix her blink bug (which would be a nerf itself) since if we're lucky it might be the only nerf she needs
im basically doppelganger of you, but im korean
listen i totally agree with this and good to see someone here know about dbd character balance design's limitation well
well..i have same total playtime with you, same thinking direction and situation
main nurse/spirit after wm1s because we just can't take new ds with wm1
but remind whatever you say this is not forum for only good players know something
lots of people rusing their opinion but we don't have to or doesn't have right to change players shouting noobish individual ideas
Here's your favorite YouTuber showing you that Nurse isn't easy to play, this proves that Nurse isn't an easy pick up killer!
https://youtu.be/GVFM1u7GZCg@NMCKE she requires muscle memory. Once you get the basic grasps of blinks her power is broken. It isn't like wraith where you either cloak/uncloak or spirit phase/not phase. She has several different distances for blinks. Do you cancel a blink and shoot it to the ground. etc. However, once that is learned which is not hard. It is like riding a bike just takes a bit of practice. The killer at the core is broken.
@xXNurseXx did you post this just for the drama because it worked.
Nurse is only OP in the way she doesn't behave like most killers. She is fun to play against in my opinion unless she is one of those GOOD nurses that just get down after down.
@Jdsgames
However, this person had prestige III Nurse skin, and was rank 2. According to what you're saying, this person should clearly be dominating since they have the practice to do so. Therefore, I'm saying Nurse is hard to learn, and difficult to master.
Something is telling me that Nurse is based on your skill, and your quick decision making. Sure, there will be games where you're spot on, but that shouldn't be a baseline to how every game will be - Humans are know for their errors.
Also, this is from @Sluzzy which can also be the reason why this player is struggling: Counterplay
You're ignoring the fact that Zubat in the video faked his movements, used LOS breakers, used DH a few times, and juked the nurse in the corn. She's P3, it wasn't her first rodeo.
You're ignoring the fact that Zubat in the video faked his movements, used LOS breakers, used DH a few times, and juked the nurse in the corn. She's P3, it wasn't her first rodeo.
If it involves playing against you, then it would take longer than 5 minutes to setup KYF lobby between the two of us considering the time zones differences. And I've never played against somebody from the US, I think in DbD. No clue how playable the ping would be. I'm from Germany.
But I will try to record stuff, if I get matched against a top tier nurse player without addons. Maybe I will be matched with Gammalunatic, if I'm lucky.