How about those who are complaining finally start using anti-totem perks?
That's what they're there for
First Genregress, than camping, than tunneling, now Totems. What's next? DS DH Windows combos are boring and if time is such a big problem for you, why do you play at all?
IT IS WHAT IT IS..... change my mind
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pre dropping won't save u
legion, plague, wraith, skull merchant, ghost face, pig, sadako, and any strong anti loop killer can get hit quickly. Even through stealth or other means.
Reject totem perks and just pre running the killer to oblivion. Stay safe out there. The worst Thrill games I have are the ones where Face the Darkness never come online that's my advice.
"Just wait it out"
"Just let go of the gen"
"Just run light-born"
What do you mean by dirty method? HexPerks have to be strong, otherwise it's not worth the effort.
Hex perks are meant to be high risk-high reward perks, while only ~10% of them are strong, while Thrill buff is a terrible bandaid to the bigger problem which are hex spawns.
Even if you completely remove Thrill from the game, most survivors will complain because they don't like clearing totems. They want to do gens in peace and that will never change.
Of course, other factors also play a role. For example, being prevented from clearing, having a bad start and much more but, even if this is a terrible argument, a large proportion of survivors simply don't want to make totems and are too lazy.
The first couple minutes of a match quite literally determine the outcome. If survs take that long to remove the hexes killer already wins…
As evidenced by what?
Ah, I would be my slots are taken up by anti tunnel and anti slug perks cause yano, i was told "if you dont like the killer slugging or tunneling bring the perks" 🤷🏼♀️
Well thanks to the buff of hex builds I have experimented with them and was looking forward to using them more in the future as it delayed the match long enough to spread hooks. But clearly it's going to be nerfed due to sheer number number of complaints so when it does it looks like it's back to tunnelling at 5gens, camping and slugging as hex builds will be useless yet again.
Survivors claim to hate these tactics but yet they fight to get anything that helps steer a killer away from them nerfed.
I don't think I've seen a hexs are to strong nerf them in a long while till Thrill got mega buffed sneakily with 0 testing before hand.
Or y'know, the killer has a brain cell and injures one player without a medkit with a Haemorrhage add-on, leaves them and hunts everyone else for free.
If that survivor doesn't have (or even if they do have totem perks), hey presto, you've got Pig levels of slowdown, on a much more lethal killer.
the shack will give you about 30 seconds, and if your allies have counterpower then you need to hold out for only 17 seconds in the chase without taking damage, shift w+1 palette will already give you 20 safe seconds, try at least a little looping and you can easily beat this time
Thrill of the Hunt probably is overtuned right now, I agree on that, but what I miss a bit about this whole conversation is, how all the complaints about how useless hex builds were in the past would just be deflected by one of the boldest and long-lived lies in DBD history: "its balanced, hexes are high risk, high reward. Just git gud".
Hex perks have for the most part always been "Hight risk, low or meh rewards", you either went 100% Hex totems with layered defense, or you shouldn't even bother. I vividly remember the discussions back in the day when Mikael dropped, and killers were complaining about how snuffed boons should stay destroyed, and how unbelievable many survivor mains claimed that they wouldn't consider boon perks at all, if they could be snuffed and they could end up with a dead perk. I learned back then that the concept of "high risk, high reward" was only applicable if it was imposed on the killer population, but the other was around wouldn't fly.
Circling back to the current discussion: now that hexes are highly viable, suddenly everyone is complaining about it and wants to remind everyone, that hexes shouldn't be this safe, but have a risk involved :D Pure comedy.
But alas, I think that Thrill makes hex builds, especially Devour builds, way too save and there should be other ways to buff hexes. For one, Thrill should have never lost its noise notification when a survivor touched a totem. This was so much more interactive and allowed so many better plays then staying on a totem for 45s.
Second: I still vie for my ultimate Hex rework
Pretty much true, if hex builds didnt work then I would tunnel and slug but that requires time to determine if the hex builds are effective in that match or not. I have been running hex builds with some success so I haven't been tunneling at 5 gens and slugging. When they haven't been effective the damage was already done so even tunneling and slugging wasn't that effective by that point. You say play scummy but like always any other effective method to take on swf gets nerfed due to survivor complaints. If survivors don't like the scummy ways killers play then maybe don't complain about literally everything because all that's left will be "scummy" plays.
I would like to add that I never used to tunnel or slug, I started doing that when gens started popping too fast. Sometimes on certain maps 1 is done before I even see a survivor lol. Survivors even complained about regress perks so they got nerfed 🤷♂️ it is what is but complaining about too many things means they shoot themselves in the foot
That's not at all what was being said.
The remark about 'high risk, high reward' got trotted out to explain why it's broken to have Devour Hope or Ruin be uncleansable. Then the risk is axed entirely, the reward has to go too. The risk is part of the reason why some hex perks have inordinately high value.
You can argue about the execution of this, and a lot of survivor players will also agree that hexes are currently not powerful enough, that's absolutely fair, but that doesn't mean Thrill of the Hunt is okay. I personally lost it when I saw that Ruin got the wrong half of its 6.1 slaughter-nerf reverted. It takes effort to get it as wrong as BHVR does, since that decision wasn't just wrong, it was wrong-er. It was the wrong-er-est decision.
Except Boons weren't really leaning on 'high risk', but on 'high investment'. Spending 14 seconds on a totem and then getting an okay boon effect that then gets perma-snuffed in 2 seconds by the killer would make the perks completely unusable.
And if you wanted to add in high risk on top of that, you get a different issue, which is one that Invocations now also face: If you make these perks this high investment and this high risk, the counterbalancing reward that has to be put on the opposite end of that has to be absolutely nuts. As in, bigger than release CoH. As in, Exponential might need to be global range. As in, Dark Theory might need to go over the value that MFT used to have.
And considering how much killers absolutely loathed playing against CoH, it's safe to say, they wouldn't like that.
If Boons were permasnuffed, the entire class of perks would be irrevocably in the trash because they're either 'balanced and awful to play against', or 'worthless but at least not a problem'. And we know which of those two options the killer vote would go out to. (And rightfully so, don't get me wrong)
See, this we can definitely agree on. I think the post got eaten since I think it was on the Chucky PTB, but I once outlined how the re-igniting effect from Two Can Play could be used to give other hexes considerably higher sustainability without breaking them. I also think it's a good idea if some hex perks simply get weakened by being broken, rather than being completely removed. I think one thing I suggested, for example, is that Huntress' Lullaby simply loses the ability to gain stacks when it's destroyed, but the present stacks stay active.
I saw tru3 call you a low level player for your take In another thread (which I disagree with). You should watch his video its hilarious but not shocking how wrong his take is on the thrill meta
i saw that too🤣🤣🤣it on his second last stream.
right at the start of that stream he open up the forums and proceeded to cook edgarpoop for being "disingenuous".
yep basically showing that he puts down players that he disagrees with
And they still need nerfs now, except Adrenaline. They may have reduced map size and tile chaining, except Suffocation Pit, Azarov's Resting Place, Crotus Prenn. Apparently in those places it's fine to put jungle gyms right next to a TL or even shack. But pallet have not become weaker, I'm sorry. The filler pallets are every bit as strong as they used to be, if not more (because the devs like to add more to them from time to time), except for the Coldwind filler pallets. Whatever the devs have said and done, the game hasn't been made easier for killer. I've never had to play this hard just to get draws with killer. This is not unique to me, because it's echoed among the other multi-thousand hour players.
Maybe it's the MMR finally working, that's giving legitimate same-level opponents as ourselves, that's revealing the massive imbalance of the game? I tell you, it will make kill rate drop by at least several percent, if not push away killers. I already started my break, because I tried for 2-3 days to get a fair match, and didn't find 1. All the survivors actually knowing what they're doing makes it a sweat fest no matter what. Before, I'd gotten many 4ks (and many losses) with Demogorgon, Nemesis, Wesker, Knight, Skull Merchant, Alien, Unknown. Couldn't get a single 4k with them in this new MMR. It's not as if I'm playing worse, or am in massive need of learning. It's just that the game is not balanced for killer when you go against survivors of your own skill level. You winning is based upon them making mistakes over and over. Or, thinking about this way, making 2-3 reads back to back at tiles.