Spirit is the only killer that managed to damage and probably destroy a community from within.
There's my take on the Spirit Situation. Her lack of counterplay, her addons, whatever...
Make whatever you want of it.
She was a mistake, so BHVR has to live with it.
This is in regards to the.... 100+ discussions about Spirit in the last 2-3 months.
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She's such a Queen.
Spirit, old Freddy, twins
Bhvr has made several mistakes in the past.
Spirit has to be the only killer that stirred so much controversy, so much hate, so many heated arguments, amongst other things.
Never seen it before.
Actually... There Is this character, Brigitte, in Overwatch...
People hated Brigitte so much they harassed the VA pretty sure
Spirit is honestly fine.
That's people just being A-holes.
Never heard of this, quite surprised.
Said no one ever.
If anything could be accused of destroying, or otherwise creating a rift, within the community, it's the original version of Decisive Strike.
I don't think there ever existed anything more unbalanced in this game, aside from infinite loops in the days of yore.
I still remember joining a killer strike group on steam Lol good times
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But yeah, spirit is pretty ridiculous and needs to be looked at.
Old Freddy was genuinely loved by many people tho, including the ones who mained him. All he needed were QoL changes and buffs.
Im still glad they removed spirit collision old prayer beads and gave her a vault animation
Said a person who is a crap survivor but has won matches against Spirit. She has a low skill floor for good returns but honestly if you're a crap killer you're going to have some really bad matches against survivors regardless.
People are acting like she's an instant 4k every time before a single gen is complete when the spirit is brand new and it's a swf death squad.
She isn't.
Besides her low skill floor makes it accessible for new killers, and with survivor queues the way they are its a good thing to have a killer people are willing to play.
But survivors don't care about that. They aren't thinking about how unhealthy it is to get their win 100% of the time while being able to tea bag the exit gate with their team.
Let's be honest though. Overwatch is not a good comparison as blizzards balance team let that broken ######### run for months and even a year with stuff like GOATS and triple tank, triple healer, triple dps, all till they said f it and locked in the 2-2-2 meta. Now overwatch 2 is going to lock 1 tank, 2 healers and 2dps. Changing it to a 5v5
For as much complaints Spirit gets she's practically universally adored compared to the true Kings and Queens of near-universal hatred: Release Legion.
Actually you know what Nevermind, that's a pretty decent comparison since bhvr let's stuff run for years without fixing it also
Old Freddy was, and still is, loved by many people, especially those who mained him, myself included. Several threads here are proof of that.
Nerfing him 1 week after his release was a mistake. Reworking him was an even bigger mistake.
This.
mmm yes i once beat a nurse so nurse is now a weak killer
If you think a character in the game is the problem for people insulting and hating each other you are very naive.
Same as swf is not the reason things like these happen.
It will always happen because humans are the problem. They can't respect someone having their own opinion or when devs don't do exactly like they want. I don't agree with a lot of things but still don't go to the lenghts others do to hurt someone they disagree with.
There's a tons of things that causes huge uproars in the community. Moris, Instant Heals, Old DS, MoM, etc. Spirit isn't unique to this and even if she gets nerfed, the next thing will be selected and complained about. Spirit even had a small duration where people weren't complaining about her after her prayer bead and collision nerf.
Spirit certainly needs changes, but a lot of people keep using hyperboles that I don't feel really help their case. Complaints are usually "she requires not skill, just a headset" or "she has no counterplay" both of which are wrong.
Sound tracking is a skill whether or not people think it is and it's certainly something you have to learn from experience. It doesn't take that long to get a feel for it and she's certainly not a hard killer to play once you get familiar with her.
As for counterplay, Spirit can't phase through walls. Vaults and Pallets can be very effective at keeping distancing from a phasing spirit. However, it is a bit problematic that duration and speed addons exist allowing tiles that would otherwise be effective at keeping distance from a phasing spirit to be only minor inconveniences. It also doesn't help that a spirit phasing in short bursts suffers very little downtime on her power. If she misses out of phase, she only has to deal with the short missed attack cooldown which can make her feel very oppressive. I think toning down her addons and making it so she's a bit more punished for poor phases would go a long way to making spirit feel better to play against.
They already have a passive phase mechanic that should continue when she’s phasing, but in reverse. Would make her so much more enjoyable, and a very simple solution.
I honestly dig your idea. Starts from the most basics of things, and doesn't come with things like "hear her footsteps or whatever". Starting with a longer cooldown for failed phases is a great start, for now.
Tbh I wanted a Wraith approach to her, the closer she gets you, the more her model is visible, up to a point where she looks like a ghost & is transparent, which would make sense.
Her model being visible only when she gets close to you, so you could see her and actually have some time to react
Nothing was destroyed
With what i can tell everytime the dev nerf a killer they kill the killer. So if the nerf spirit they will kill her and if shes not viable against swf or shes not fun to play anymore they are going to lose a lot of player i think. They really need to be carefull with how they handle her
No she didn’t. It’s the community’s fault for not coming together and having empathy for both sides. This isn’t a Spirit problem at all.
And just like Spirit, Brigitte is HAWT
She has the same problems like pre nerfed rework freddy has and even more on top of that.
-Low skill floor and S Tier power
-Insanely busted addons
Her current state is NOT ok.She has WAY to much going for her without giving survivor any decent counterplay.
The majority of the survivor players don't want a killer that is super easy to loop and win against.They want a killer that is fun and fair to go against.That's it.
She has counter play get used to it.
Counterplay or not, every interaction against Spirit sucks and feels like a coin toss, except it's a weighted coin.
I wanna feel like I'm getting outplayed! Not screwed over.
Exactly, it’s a 60/40 “mind game” every time.
It’s very frustrating to not have any sort of visual feedback
Yeah its totally a character that's destroying this community. if I had to pick something in-game that's destroying this community its either bugs or amping/tunneling arguments.
That's an overstatement.
There are those of us who like facing her, and think she could be tweaked a little.
Exactly. Spirit was not a mistake and deserves a spot in DBD. I honestly have no idea where this “Spirit is ruining the community” mentality came from when it’s the community’s fault for all the us vs them BS.
It's not the Spirit, it could of been anything.
This is just two egos colliding.
No, it really is just the Spirit...