Why are people so upset about the Billy changes?
So quite a few people are upset about this and i'm actually wondering why?
In the first part of the video the bar was a quarter filled and he sprinted for 8 seconds and it only ended about halfway which means to get it completly full you would have to sprint for 24ish seconds. How often does that happen?
Second part the meter was halfway and it took 6 seconds to overheat. Which means it takes 12 seconds in total. Even when doing the mindgame at a loop if you rev for 12 seconds you're not doing a good job at it.
The only thing I see affecting this is Billy's who keep the chainsaw revved in front of a hooked survivor.
Not to mention that in return for this we get new addons to play with.
We all knew Billy was going to get changed. You all should be ecstatic it's as minimal as this. We can't know for sure untill the ptb ofcourse. But so far it really doesn't seem like a big deal at all.
Hell the only thing I'm worried about is that Billy seems to scream now when he goes for a sprint and i have a feeling that might be a map wide scream like Oni's.
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I'm not a Billy main, but does this curving at loops really need 12+ seconds of reving?
YES
so bubba (who is one of the weakest killer) need a buff not billy (one of fun to play and against killer) need a nerf
You do realize they were testing him w purple add-on right? 😂
I dont think the changes are that bad but id rather the devs fix the chain of issues instead of nerfing one of the few viable killers.
Nurse bugs
MM
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So how the heck would you buff bubba to billy's level.
So, I gotta honest q for survivors. Would you be ok if they put a cool down on your vaults? Like after 3 vaults, you have to wait 10-15 secs to be able to vault again? Or what about on running? You can only run for so long before running out of stamina, and go into a cool down? Would all of you be ok with that? Or would you be pissed like a lot of killers are right now?? Honestly?
This a common view problem, tell me what does a buff to trapper, clown, plague, doctor and freddy matter to me when I play nurse? You know killers are not like survivors, they are not just skins but actually play diffrent.
Nurse has been bugged for months since those slight adjustments, maps were shrunk by 1% right? I doubt that they even fixed the infinite on the oni mapm, maps like ormond are still a joke for every good survivor as you can connect tile after tile after tile. Hilariously easy to run no skill required whatsoever be it ressource management etc.. you go ahead and show me a single change to survivors that added "skilled" play to it.
I can't hit ######### w Billy on ps4. I think he sucks, but thats my opinion. Plenty would disagree. He's just not my cup of tea, just like nurse. I prefer oni anyway..
Realistic? You ever used a chainsaw? I can cut for hours and my ######### never overheats.. His overheats in 10 Secs.. Cmon maaaan
I literally run everywhere, and almost nonstop, as a survivor. So I'd be okay with a stamina bar because, damn it, some of the buttons on my controller need a break.
But its also not the same because the Chainsaw looks like it cools down pretty quickly when you aren't revving it.
Yeah that is also something very funny, guess nobody on the dev ever used a chainsaw in their life.
Please don't start arguing realism. Its a bad stance to take. It will only weaken any good points you actually have.
No, I made a concrete point about a stupid feature that makes zero sense any way you put it... Having the saw run out of gas and needing to refuel(like clown maybe) would've been better and more realistic...
From the video it takes around 7 seconds to overheat. WITH ADDONS. And in reality you will not start a curve attempt with 0% overheat + you will not curve down a survivor 1st try. But with this change you have to be at 0% overheat when you attempt a curve + need addons + need to hit it first try everytime. Does it not sound ridiculous?
Okay can we remove his chainsaw sprint too then? I don't think you can run faster by using a chainsaw.
In the video the bar is already halfway full when it starts. You might have missed that
Also even strong addons usually ad only a couple of seconds so even if it's with addons it won't make that huge of a change.
Sounds a lot less rediculous if you have twice the time you originally thought right?
What's your point exactly though?
I was warning you about not arguing for realism because it is an argument that you will not win. No matter how hard you try. It will just dilute, and weaken, the actual good arguments you make against the changes.
I don't care about the changes either way, and if you want to argue for realism then go ahead. But just know that people who are for the changes will tear that argument apart instantly.
The person I replied to said that they feel like killers are punching bags and the devs protect survivors. Tell me why the devs would buff and rework poorly performing killers if they only care about survivor fun?
The way some people talk it’s like the devs come together to find creative new ways to spit on killer players and personally hate them. It’s delusional. Every new update brings long-needed killer buffs in some form or another. But boo hoo, you play a killer who can literally teleport through walls so window reworks don’t help you. That must be such a burden to bear. They didn’t fix every single problem with the game all at once so they hate me!!!
You guys are so damn whiny and entitled I’m surprised the devs still bother to listen to anyone in the community at all.
I can rev my chainsaw,take off in a sprint, and chase you for a quarter mile no problem. What's sad is LF can't do the same... And he doesn't run, he WALKS until he uses the saw. Have you ever used a chainsaw in real life?? And I'm nowhere near the size of Billy...
Yes and i elobareted on that for you so you understand that when you main a certain killer it does rarely matter whether they buff other killers because you do not play them as much if at all. Because killers are not skins like survivors.
So yeah for lots of players who did like to play nurse it can still feel the exact same way because they do not have the decency to fix the bugs they introduced while talking some crap about treating it with the utmost respect. Yet when a bug appears that does nearly the same for survivors it gets fixed asap. Like the movement speed bug on one of her addons, oh survivors are not able to use a perk against a certain killer well better drop everything we need to fix it asap. Meanwhile you sit there for months to hear about a bug fix that disables your power by random or that just splits it in half. Wanna get into how sounds have been broken? MM has been broken? Nah better spend the ressources on not needed fun cooldowns to look at like overheat.
Also you know what? I prefered old freddy, was he frustrating to play? Yes but at least it was not the same snoozefest it is nowadays when you play or play against freddy as he was all about mindgames in the transition from awake to sleep. Now every freddy plays the exact same way with the exact same perks with little to no mindgames at all in the entire game.
To think that it is whiny and entitled to want the devs to fix stuff they broke just so you can enjoy the game you really have an issue. Also the killer can only teleport through walls if the game doesnt decide no more blinks for you in this game. But hey it sure is really ######### fun to run around slower as any survivor with no power at all on the map, better not say anything how much that sucks because that is very entitled and whiny.
Well, to be honest, i've never seen anyone be happy about a nerf to the killer they play.
My argument is that they added a nerf to Billy that isn't physically possible just to accommodate butt hurt survivors. Go buy a chainsaw, run it full throttle, and tell me how long it takes to overheat. What's next? Trappers traps rust shut and can't open? Michael's blade breaks and he can't stab until he finds a new knife? Freddy gets stuck in his own snares?? I mean, cmon... This is the most laziest, half-assed nerf I've ever seen.
Did you miss the part of my comment where I said that they are planning universal buffs which will help all killers? Did EGC have no effect on some killers? Did insta heal nerfs and toolbox nerfs only help some killers? Can only some killers use buffed perks? No.
Your rant about bugs has nothing to do with the original topic which was that the devs hate killers and love survivors. I also don’t think it’s entitled to want bug fixes but I do consider this quite whiny and self-centered: “tell me what does a buff to trapper, clown, plague, doctor and freddy matter to me when I play nurse?”
Not everything is about you. The devs don’t exist to focus on what YOU think is important. Their focus SHOULD BE (and is) the game as a whole. That means trying to help as many players as they can with the resources they have.
Or people like me who thought Billy was already perfectly balanced. The only changes he needed were addon updates. Keeping him in line with the current addon ratio. And a small nerf to his chainsaw hitbox. His base kit was perfect as it was.
Yeah good luck falling into your chainsaw after a while. He also doesn't walk, he's at supernatural speed, the survivors are running. Anyways the argument is pointless, billy is FINALLY after 4 years getting his comeuppance and I can't be more happy. Goodbye curvebillys
Addonless billy was the perfectly balanced killer. Good survivors dont get chainsawed, they can loop him optimally since he doesnt have antiloop. It was a fundamental 1vs1 and the only viable killer who wouldnt use snares, shocks, blink, range etc to get their hits. Hence why he was fun and fair to play against, while still able to punish good survivors enough to make him viable.
His addons were overtuned and needed nerfs. And these weren't detailed in the post, which makes me believe they worked hard on the wrong aspects.
Said nobody.
Well if all you do is sit around playing video games all the time, yeah, then that might happen. But I have a very physical job, and I grew up cutting down huge trees and processing them all the way down to fire wood. Holding a chainsaw is like holding a bat to me. But then again, I've done it most my life, so...
Imagine being this condescending over cutting wood, something that literally everybody could do that's not physically impaired lol. Again your point is moot, CUrvebilly is finally dead, I never understood all this worship in the first place. Reminds me of ppl applauding rivenmains in league while never being able to pull of what they can do anyways.
Let me also clear something up that your confused on: suprise, surprise, I don't even play as Billy. I think he sucks to be honest, and I never hit #########. I'm always Freddy, GF, ONI, Michael, or DOC. And you really made me laugh saying anyone could do a loggers job.. Ha. I bet you couldn't even figure out how to start my saw...
many many way.
bubba's M2 are easier to aimed than billy's m2
so maybe just
short the charge time
hold M2 no longer to make you move slower
let him has his MAX speed right after he use his m2.
can really help him
make him more deadly when he close to you.
buff this kind of thing can really help him and make him different to billy.
this is what we want to see not put a charger on a already fun to play and play against killer.
this would do nothing.
Bubba would still being nobody want to play
It would only cause the killer we can see in high level match -1.
all your suggestions are bad, literally. even if he hit his max speed right after m2 he'd still just be an easier to use billy since billy does that too rofl.
Sure, loggers are known for their technical forté. Studying at MIT is practically a pre-requisite. Are you trying to be funny or sth?
Billy doesn't suck, he just doesn't belong in this game the way he is right now. This is a party game, we don't need a killer that enables ppl to 4k 99% of their games just because they put their life and soul in it.
Actually, a good survivor will 360 him because he's slower when he holds his M2.
Hillbilly is not overpowered, there are tons of maps who has way many obstacles to his chainsaw to get stuck. And it's pretty easy to place your camera looking behind you so you know when he's going to hold his M2 so you can dodge in time.
About the fact that you're going to be screwed... well, it's an horror game, it's game design that the killer catches you if the gens are not being completed. It's not game design being able to loop a killer for 5 gens, and before you say mindgame, that is indeed a strategy but it's like a chess game with the survivor as a first player, if they doesn't make mistakes (like an experienced survivor won't) then you can mindgame all you want that you're not going to catch him.
Wait really? I don't know about that but I get what your saying
Do you ever play bubba and billy before?
give bubba some buff to his m2 can really help him a lot.
And what's your goal to the killer?
nerf billy would only cause billy down to bubba's level which mean most of people don't play them.
It does not help anything to Killer's diversity.
I think the thing is that billy is such a personal kilelr to the community sinc ehe was one of the original killers and people at times are scared of change particularly something that has been around for quite a while like Billy