woundcowboy

The devs would rather add half-baked ideas than actually address core issues. Obviously getting camped and tunneled isn’t fun, but killers have to do it if they want to win. The whole memey 12 hook thing is only doable if the survivors are inept. The game needs to be redesigned.

in why are all these new systems so bad? Comment by woundcowboy January 7, 2024

@Devil_hit11 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3622171#Comment_3622171
In my opinion, current deathslinger is a terrible killer for all reasons you listed. What you described in your paragraph is precisely my thoughts on dbd on the global problem with most killers at high-level.
those two problems can summarized in two categories
1) Comeback factor/Chase efficacy: Survivor Gen pressure.
2) Pre-running
I do not want elaborate much more then what you talk about but the speed that survivor do generator at when killer is successful at the chase is oppressive at high-level for killer. It is like you barely notice any game-delay as killer despite all your chases ending as quickly as they could have. there is just simply no game-delay in killer base-kit and being forced to use game-delay perks, most of which are weaker is stifling killer perk variety and creativity. The other problem as you talk about is pre-running where your chases are not long but strength of pre-shift w away from generators before the chase means that your chases are in fact long because it took too long to get into the chase. If the entire is yoyoing generators effectively, there is no good chases that is time efficient for the killer to take. As you describe, you lose passively for survivors existing. Deathslinger being 4.4 makes him very vulnerable to such a strategy. I agree with your opinion that these two aspects for high-level killer are not fun.
knowing what the problem is half the challenge but coming up with a good solution is more difficult.

The solution is to remove clutter and broken tiles. Deathslinger is also one of many examples of a botched killer change. All of the weaknesses we talked about existed back when DS could insta scope and had a small terror radius. He was never a great killer. The nerfs made it even harder for DS to engage in a meaningful chase since he can’t sneak up anymore and the increased aiming time puts control of the chase in the survivors’ hands. He is a perfect example of the game being balanced around bad survivor play.

in Does anyone else feel that survivors objective speed is simply broken? Comment by woundcowboy January 6, 2024

@Devil_hit11 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3620045#Comment_3620045
they do. momo's blight streak that is 1500 wins is living proof that a mediocre player will get stomped 10/10 times by experienced player. The result is 100% win-rate.
He has that streak because most pubs are bad players. The fact is, experienced players shouldn’t have to put up with awful high level gameplay because people refuse to learn. Like if you are that lazy, go play a mobile game.
you have to change wording from most pub to all pub are bad players because every single pub lost. Explain what is "awful high level play" for experienced players.

Playing any killer except blight/nurse against competent survivors is hell and not fun. I’ll use one of my mains, deathslinger as an example.

The match loads in and, depending on spawns, I’m probably losing a gen slightly before or after my first down. That alone can hurt my chances if it was part of a 3 gen (which encourages boring killer gameplay) and puts pressure on killer within the first two minutes. Then, when I’m approaching a gen/survivors, they can use DS’s terror radius to pre run and completely deny any chance of a shot. If it’s an indoor map or a map with high walls or clutter (most maps btw) then I’m lucky to have the opportunity to make 5-6 shots in a match.

This illustrates the problem with most killers. It’s not like the survivors dodged shots or juked the killer: they straight up denied any chance of skill expression just by existing. High level killers have almost no agency and depend on survivors playing poorly.

in Does anyone else feel that survivors objective speed is simply broken? Comment by woundcowboy January 5, 2024

@Ayodam said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3621632#Comment_3621632
You don’t need a lot to make the comparison—just one. I can think of four off the top of my head.

TCM’s balance is significantly better than DBD, even with the P2W victim that was released. It’s probably skewed towards victim at the absolute highest level of play, but if you know what you are doing you can dominate. DBD is balanced to allow lousy players to beat good players.

in Does anyone else feel that survivors objective speed is simply broken? Comment by woundcowboy January 5, 2024

@Ayodam said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3620993#Comment_3620993
And of those three which is asymmetrical? Like DBD.

Frankly, there aren’t enough asym games to compare. The same principles apply regardless if a game is asym or not. Things that affect high level play don’t matter that much for low levels, since most players lack basic game knowledge.

Decisive strike is a perfect example: it doesn’t matter how long the stun is because the average person isn’t good enough to really exploit it and run the killer. The same goes for killer: the average killer lost games even with the strong gen regression durimg 6.1. because they lack macro and tile knowledge of the game. Balancing for a casual base doesn’t solve problems for most people, and only makes high level play miserable.

in Does anyone else feel that survivors objective speed is simply broken? Comment by woundcowboy January 5, 2024

@Reinami said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3621031#Comment_3621031
So its ok for these survivors to basically completely win every single game "because its rare"?

Yup that’s exactly what they’re saying. These same people then turn around and say that SWF is fine because good players are rare. The survivor bias in this community is undeniable.

in Nurse will never be balanced with her base-kit Comment by woundcowboy January 4, 2024

Nurse is fine. The root of the issue is that survivors here won’t be happy until they can dictate pallet mindgames against every killer.

in Nurse will never be balanced with her base-kit Comment by woundcowboy January 3, 2024

@Ayodam said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3620619#Comment_3620619
Like Death Garden? 💅🏾

Like Overwatch, Mortal Kombat, or Street Fighter. You know, games that are far more successful than DBD.

in Does anyone else feel that survivors objective speed is simply broken? Comment by woundcowboy January 3, 2024

@C3Tooth said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3620619#Comment_3620619
Well. The last time I know about top players that you desperately to balance around have over 1500 win rate on Blight.
If they can balance to make that Blight to have 60% kill rate instead of 100%…

He has that streak because most pubs are bad players. The fact is, experienced players shouldn’t have to put up with awful high level gameplay because people refuse to learn. Like if you are that lazy, go play a mobile game.

in Does anyone else feel that survivors objective speed is simply broken? Comment by woundcowboy January 3, 2024

@Ayodam said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3620045#Comment_3620045
Not really. There isn’t a single game where the best players outnumber casuals. And it will never be true.

And yet, most games balance around top end players. It’s mostly this delusional community that says otherwise.

in Does anyone else feel that survivors objective speed is simply broken? Comment by woundcowboy January 3, 2024

@Ayodam said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3619693#Comment_3619693
It’s more accurate than balancing around the uppercrest of MMR. Most players are your grandmother, not Otzdarva.

And that’s an issue with the playerbase, not game balance. A mediocre player should get stomped by an experienced player 10/10 times.

in Does anyone else feel that survivors objective speed is simply broken? Comment by woundcowboy January 1, 2024

@cburton311 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3615084#Comment_3615084
It's true the top 3% of survivors don't play that way, but you'll notice I never claimed that they did.

I’m not interested in how joeblow who plays once a week plays the game. If we aren’t assuming high level play, then this is a pointless conversation. My grandma could 4k with Trapper at low ranks. It doesn’t show an accurate picture of balance.

in Does anyone else feel that survivors objective speed is simply broken? Comment by woundcowboy January 1, 2024

@bobateo said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3616626#Comment_3616626
Agreed. I felt like, in the AMA, teamwork and overall team-skill got conflated. I can't blame the 100 soloq player that was in my lobby with a higher skilled Killer for 'bad teamwork' because they didn't rush into take aggro for the surv on their 2nd hook. They probably don't know any better.
I feel equally bad when I'm in a team that exceeds my skill and I'm the weak link. I typically can't chases beyond 30-45-ish seconds and for the life of me, I cannot figure out how to deal with Blight in chase. I feel bad at the end of the match knowing full well that I'm probably the reason we lost. It's not from lack of trying or not trying to support my team, there are areas of the game I'm not proficient enough in to match the rest.

It’s a team based game. Shouldn’t you all lose if the team fails?

in has BHVR just completely given up on solo queue? The last AMA made it sound like they have... Comment by woundcowboy December 31, 2023

@Pulsar said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3616022#Comment_3616022
If a Survivor is consistently looping you "endlessly" that is entirely on you.
Also, blatant whataboutism.

It really isn’t. It doesn’t take a genius to waste time at a strong loop since most killers effectively have no counterplay. Even if you drop that chase and surprise hit another survivor, they’ll use the speed boost to get to another strong loop and start it all over again. Killers don’t have enough agency in a match. It comes down to survivors making mistakes and RNG.

in Want a Live Example of Why People Are Burnt Out of DBD? Comment by woundcowboy December 24, 2023

@Pulsar said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3615307#Comment_3615307
No, it's because he genuinely sucks to play against. He has zero skill expression as Survivor.
He's got old Legion issues

Skill expression as survivor comes down to 90% map/tile knowledge 10% mindgames.

in Trickster is too overbuffed Comment by woundcowboy December 24, 2023

@Pulsar said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3614642#Comment_3614642
That was my answer.
No, it should not be possible unless they are playing an extremely powerful character. Eventually, you should get beaten or draw.

In other games, the best players consistently win. If a character wins a tournament, it doesn’t mean that character needs a nerf. The cream will always rise to the top. This community’s problem is that there too many people who expect to win against those who are better than them.

in Killer winstreaks Comment by woundcowboy December 23, 2023

@Rovend said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3614073#Comment_3614073
I didnt know the devs reverted the 90sec gens...
Or the reduced survivor speed on-hit...
Or the 2 stack STBFL basekit...
Or the nerfs to DH, DS, IW and Spine Chill...
Even if the Op Eruption was nerfed, 6.1.0 is still one of the most killer sided patch in dbd history

The gen speed made no difference, and neither did the wipe/speed boost nerf. In the vast majority of situations, the survivor will still make it to safety.

in BHVR sucks all the fun out of the killers with their reworks Comment by woundcowboy December 22, 2023

@cburton311 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3612536#Comment_3612536
Except we have data that shows that this statement isn't true. In the most oppressive gen slow down meta ever, killers tunneled even more.
The root problem is that both sides have slowly optimized their play styles to achieve the goal as efficiently as possible. No matter how fast the generators progress, tunneling 1 person out is THE most effective way for a killer to secure a victory. As long as that remains true killers will continue to do it and they should, unapologetically. It is not up to the killers to play fair. It is required by BHVR to ensure that the game is fun when killers play efficiently. Tunnelling, camping, and slugging must be made less fun while still giving killers tools to enjoy and succeed in the match.
The same goes for survivors, working on generators is the way they achieve "victory". So gradually, the player base has learned to strip away all the inefficiencies. Survivors split up more often. A Side note, it's hilarious, they nerfed prove thyself. This perk actually encouraged survivors to behave less efficiently which actually helped killers. Now it's actually obvious that it's terrible so survivors just split up.
If looping a killer well was possible for the vast majority and lead to more survivor escapes, more survivors would participate in that activity. Since it doesn't lead to escapes very often for most people, they do it less and less. The more oppressive killers get in chase, the more stealth and gen efficiency will be the only strategies employed by the opponents they face.

Not sure what game you’re playing but steath is irrelevant. Good survivors are aggressive and will try to get you to chase in very unfavorable areas for killer. If there are too many spawns like that on the map, the game is over before it begins.

in Does anyone else feel that survivors objective speed is simply broken? Comment by woundcowboy December 22, 2023

@DMB said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3613465#Comment_3613465
How so ? when it is the core of my entire point,did you read what i posted ?
I don't care about it being double standard to some degree,my is how survivors will complain and complain, even make threats until Bhvr finally changes something that gives any killer value
Yes Eruption was strong ?understandable but all was needed for it to be toned down instead of completely reworked.The perk does nothing now?

Yup eruption is now an awful perk, as are the other perks that were buffed in 6.1. Survivors like to point at that patch as proof the devs aren’t survivor-sided, but conveniently ignore that all of those buffs were taken back. We were left with a 2% kick speed increase.

in BHVR sucks all the fun out of the killers with their reworks Comment by woundcowboy December 21, 2023

@Firellius said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3613196#Comment_3613196
I don't care how bad you think survivors are, you are not bringing a 1600+ win streak if the game was 'massively survivor sided'. Logically, if the game actually WAS massively survivor sided, that win streak would've been clipped much, MUCH earlier.
It also goes without saying that the people achieving these streaks are the top 1% of the playerbase.
But that would mean they're also getting pitted against the top 1% of the playerbase, so why aren't their streaks breaking?

That’s not how the MMR works. The bar for being at high MMR is low. The top percent of players are playing with people far below that.

in Killer winstreaks Comment by woundcowboy December 20, 2023

@xEa said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3613196#Comment_3613196
Acording to your argument, good surivors beat good killers. Are you trying to say that in hundreds/thousend games, they never came across good survivors? That is extremly unlikely, especially when you believe people here claiming that every second game is against an unbeatable force.

The chances of coming across 4 good survivors outside of SWF is rare (although it happens.)Individual survivors die no matter how good they are if their teammates aren’t carrying their weight. Even then, if the killer happens to start chasing the one good survivor first, that can cost the killer the entire game. Lastly, yes, there is a solid chance you can go a play session without seeing competent survivors because, again, most people are bad at the game.

in Killer winstreaks Comment by woundcowboy December 19, 2023

@xEa said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3613188#Comment_3613188
Aha. So killer players are more skilled, gotcha.
https://us.v-cdn.net/6030815/uploads/AC9JMGW2C6B6/giphy.gif

Nope, most killers are also bad. The reason kill rates are near 60 is that when a bad killer faces bad survivors, the killer usually wins. When a good killer goes against good survivors, the game is massively survivor sided. It also goes without saying that the people achieving these streaks are the top 1% of the playerbase.

in Killer winstreaks Comment by woundcowboy December 19, 2023

These streaks only prove that most survivors are bad at the game.

in Killer winstreaks Comment by woundcowboy December 19, 2023

@pale_hispanic said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3612553#Comment_3612553
It wasn’t for legion. Went from being unbearable to a decent mid-tier killer.

Try playing Legion against a rush group and let me know how that goes. Smart survivors sprint in the opposite direction when they get a hit and essentially deny half of their power.

in BHVR sucks all the fun out of the killers with their reworks Comment by woundcowboy December 19, 2023

@Pulsar said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3613121#Comment_3613121
That one wasn't even on my teammates.
His perks afforded him so much extra time that it didn't matter that, for once, I did WELL in a chase.

I meant to refer to your other post. Either way, the killer should be more powerful in chase than an individual survivor: it’s 4v1. Skill expression barely matters in this game and really never has.

in Want a Live Example of Why People Are Burnt Out of DBD? Comment by woundcowboy December 19, 2023

@Pulsar said:
https://youtu.be/7b1PYeeAGUc
Give it up for number eight in a row. You'll never guess what happened after I got unhooked!
I'm done dude. I'm not even pissed off anymore. I'm just ######### done. Even though I ran this Chucky for two gens, his perks bail him out and I still get tunneled out, humped then mori'd.
My actions affect nothing. Any skill I showed amounts to nothing and only serves to make me feel worse. My teammates weren't even bad this time, Corrupt PR PGTW and Deadlock just absolutely destroyed any progress they could've made

It’s a team game. If your teammates don’t pull their weight, you will lose. There is no solution because you can’t fix dumb teammates.

in Want a Live Example of Why People Are Burnt Out of DBD? Comment by woundcowboy December 19, 2023

@BooperDooper said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3612553#Comment_3612553
I mean basekit bt was absolutely a necessity, I look back at old clips and it's insane a killer could come to a hook and slap the hooked person instantly down. Gives that person 0 opportunity to make a play to survive

It really wasn’t. I’ve been playing since 2018 and using a perk slot for it was a fair trade off.

in BHVR sucks all the fun out of the killers with their reworks Comment by woundcowboy December 19, 2023

“Rework” is code for major nerfs. Best case scenario is they make a .02 % change to power/addons. Meanwhile survivors are given basekit BT and will be given protection against 3 genning. Does anyone see a double standard?

in BHVR sucks all the fun out of the killers with their reworks Comment by woundcowboy December 19, 2023

@MikaelaWantsYourBoon said:
Killers wanted this meta. They wanted every side objective survivors have to be nerfed: CoH, medkits, chase perks etc.
Now survivors have no reason to leave gens.

You can make the same argument against survivors. Tunneling is worse than ever because gen regression was nerfed into oblivion.

in Does anyone else feel that survivors objective speed is simply broken? Comment by woundcowboy December 19, 2023

It doesn’t get any better. Leave while you still can xD

in This game is insanely boring Comment by woundcowboy December 17, 2023

@radiantHero23 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3609445#Comment_3609445
They do care though.

They don’t show it. If they did, they would give real information.

in I won't blame Otzdarva if he leaves Dead by Daylight and as Fog Whisperer Comment by woundcowboy December 15, 2023

@BlackRabies said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3609424#Comment_3609424
He has a vid up. Very simply BHVR seems to have no ambitions or passion for this game anymore.
AMA any game play Qs are the pitiful "on our radar" "no plans" blah, blah, blah super vague answers. Any Qs about skins or monetization had better thought out answers from them.
These AMA are doing far more harm for BHVR with their community than it helping them.

They do them to make it look like they care.

in I won't blame Otzdarva if he leaves Dead by Daylight and as Fog Whisperer Comment by woundcowboy December 15, 2023

This all stems from the fact that they refuse to address core gameplay problems. Their priority is spam releasing new characters and cosmetics.

in Feeling a Lack of Innovation Comment by woundcowboy December 15, 2023

@Coffeecrashing said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3608512#Comment_3608512
If BHVR is planning on giving Twins a better option than slugging, they could just tell us. They wouldn't have to go into detail of what the change would be, but they could at least give us the peace of mind that they want to actually give Twins a better option than slugging.

Well they think that the base game with the numerous broken tiles and impossibly large maps is balanced, so I’m not hopeful.

in From the AMA, seems the Killer experience is irrelevent Comment by woundcowboy December 14, 2023

@Mandy said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3608443#Comment_3608443
thank you for understanding what we mean, this is it exactly!

There’s 0 chance that the Twins will be strong after the rework.

in From the AMA, seems the Killer experience is irrelevent Comment by woundcowboy December 13, 2023

@JPLongstreet said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3608455#Comment_3608455
The reasons they've given over the years for no comms is the availability of them outside of the game, and language barriers around the world.
Imo they simply do not want the moderation nightmare it would be to police it.

That’s a cop out. I’ll keep using TCM as a reference. They have 40 people working on the game and manage just fine. BHVR is a much larger studio. There is no excuse.