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@Milo said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3537979#Comment_3537979
So basically, the nerf did what it was supposed to?

it sure did

in Medkit nerf was the final blow for survivor role Comment by camping_site September 13, 2023

@radiantHero23 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3539270#Comment_3539270
Again, gaslighting.
I have 3300h in dbd. It is true that I play around 70% - 30% killer - survivor.
Thank you for looking through my posts.
You can see there that while yes I defend camping, I see it as a necessary evil.
There are killers in this game that cant hold up with survivor efficiency.
For these killers, camping is, by far not always, a necessary step if they play to win.
I encourage you to be more open minded and dont just gaslight people into a narrative. I play a lot of killer and also a good amount of survivor. I understand when 3 gens pop and the wraith has one hook, that they can't play nice if they want to win. If you can't understand that, that's on you. But I will tell you that you will have way less fun in dbd if you only see the games balance from one viewpoint.

I think you need to look up what gaslighting means. But your POV is completely clear to me, I believe it to be ridiculous. And -yes- agree to disagree.

in Medkit nerf was the final blow for survivor role Comment by camping_site September 11, 2023

@radiantHero23 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3539143#Comment_3539143
My friend, you would do well to read what I write. Please stop gaslighting me.
I don't support any form of narrative. I support what I see in my games as survivor and killer. I support what I see in my friends games as survivors and killers. I support what stats say and what other players here on the forums say that also play both survivor and killer.
Just a little advice. You should maybe try to play killer as well. Playing one side too much makes one very subseptible to the popular "us vs them" - mentality. This is very unhealthy for a good discussion because it doesn't leave much room for good arguments.

Also just looked at other comments from you in discussions- you defend camping. It is quite clear how much if ever you have played survivor

in Medkit nerf was the final blow for survivor role Comment by camping_site September 11, 2023

@radiantHero23 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3539143#Comment_3539143
My friend, you would do well to read what I write. Please stop gaslighting me.
I don't support any form of narrative. I support what I see in my games as survivor and killer. I support what I see in my friends games as survivors and killers. I support what stats say and what other players here on the forums say that also play both survivor and killer.
Just a little advice. You should maybe try to play killer as well. Playing one side too much makes one very subseptible to the popular "us vs them" - mentality. This is very unhealthy for a good discussion because it doesn't leave much room for good arguments.

actually only one who is gaslighting is yourself- denying official data, trying to sell BNP nerfs as buffs and then some.

in Medkit nerf was the final blow for survivor role Comment by camping_site September 11, 2023

@radiantHero23 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3538962#Comment_3538962
Well. Then we can't assume anything. But what should we discuss then?
We dont know if Wesker is the most played killer because the players that say that they see him all the time could also be really unlucky.
We also don't know that killer is strong or weak at the moment, or that survivor is string or weak at the moment.
You see what I mean?
I take the most reliable source and due to nightlight collecting data on various aspects of the game, I find their information at least good enough for a discussion. Sure, they are not perfect. But they are the most reliable source out there.

I am sure killer mains would flip instantly if kill rates in official data would be 20%. This narrative you support is likely because outcomes strongly favour killers.

in Medkit nerf was the final blow for survivor role Comment by camping_site September 11, 2023

@CookieBaws said:
"Oh no, i can't instantly reset after a chase." OH NO.
Cry more.

Why you cry? It is just a game...

in Medkit nerf was the final blow for survivor role Comment by camping_site September 10, 2023

@radiantHero23 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3538114#Comment_3538114
Ok. Please take a look at knightlight on twitch when he plays with his team. They play in a 4man swf with only one perk per survivor.
Kill rates across all mmr don't mean much. They don't show how the survivor died or how the match went. A killer that has not played the whole match and memed but got all survivors in end game with a cheeky bloodwarden doesn't mean killer is too strong. Just that the survivors got fooled.
If the killer was very good and went for 8 hooks and still had a 4man out doesn't mean survivor is too strong but that the killer played less optimally.
I dislike the stats bhrv offers because they are very vague and arent a good base for a good discussion.
Toolboxes are still extremely oppressive. BNP is stronger in 3 Gen situation and as some players have found out, give only like 2 seconds less compared to before if paired with the best toolbox.
You disregarded all the strong perks I mentioned.
Sorry but again : survivor is in a good spot right now. Anything else is wishful thinking.

Haven't watched that particular streamer but I trully doubt he has escaped hundreds of times in a row since none of those I have seen could do it. I mean Ayrun, Sweht, Skermz, Mish etc.

BHVR stats don't represent real life but anectodatal cases from imagination do? A few memes can't impact stats of thousand of matches.

in Medkit nerf was the final blow for survivor role Comment by camping_site September 10, 2023

@GaunterODimmDBD said:
It's impressive how much I scratched my head on Solo Q it wasn't this bad Two years ago. The healing nerf and Dead hard mori really showed how much Survivor in general don't know ######### they're doing when they don't have the allowance to heal theirselves all the time and don't have the peace of mind to dead hard into a pallet if they got caught in a bad situation. Also the increase of unsafe pallets.
It's so blatant how much you can see Survivors throwing the match entirely when they do totems or heal instead of pumping generators at an important point in the match. GG

likely selling new killers makes the most profit for BHVR hence the catering of killer role. I would opt for season pass to meet devs financial needs against what is going on now- stronger killer is more money.

in Survivors are at an all time low Comment by camping_site September 10, 2023

@Ryuhi said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3538104#Comment_3538104
You must want people to slug more, because that defeats the point of any pressure having someone on a hook provides.
You could nearly do whole gens while 1 person gets chased before needing to even go for a save. Only works if chase times are abysmally short.

Or they could switch dead lock to some aura perk and play the actual game.

But slugging is not as effective as proxy camping because skill is needed for fast enough downs.

in Don't expect the upcoming anti-camping mechanic to actually do anything Comment by camping_site September 9, 2023

@radiantHero23 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3538001#Comment_3538001
Your really gonna keep this up yes?
Survivor got perks like Made for this, Adrenaline, sprint burst, lithe, windows of opportunity, resilience etc.
These are very strong perks.
Comp swf still dominate public matches and go for hundreds of wins in a row.
Toolboxes are still unchanged. Bnps are arguably even stronger. In some chases they ARE straight up stronger.
Vaulting speed was buffed and apparently too strong.
Survivors got hud Icons to better coordinate.
These are just some of the buffs.
Survivor in general is in a very good spot right now. Soloq isn't. That nothing new, has been awful for a long time.
So please don't make the situation sound worse than it is.

which team has done 100 wins in a row? You meant killer main streamers?

nothing you wrote implicates that survivor role is at good spot. Only stats in all mmr could show that. Other than that- wishful thinking.

Btw toolboxes were nerfed first a couple years ago. And yes BNP was nerfed.

in Medkit nerf was the final blow for survivor role Comment by camping_site September 9, 2023

@Ryuhi said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3538026#Comment_3538026
increase hook stages to 90 seconds and survivors will rightfully greed the hell out of gens and instead go for last second saves. All that would do is dissolve the pressure hooking a survivor creates. Youd be better suited having the timer freeze/slow if the killer is within a close proximity with no other survivors present.

That is the whole point. Proxy camping hook shouldn’t be meta.

in Don't expect the upcoming anti-camping mechanic to actually do anything Comment by camping_site September 9, 2023

@Crowman said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3537452#Comment_3537452
That's a perfectly valid way to play.

Increase hook stage to 90 sec and killers wouldn’t find this strat valid at all.

in Don't expect the upcoming anti-camping mechanic to actually do anything Comment by camping_site September 9, 2023

@radiantHero23 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3537988#Comment_3537988
According to nightlight, the kill rates are even worse now that healing was nerfed. You can say what you want but....
Survivor is strong right now.
Both roles can feel weak and strong. Depends on the players, the load out and the map.

survivors strong?! During last year survivors had major basekit nerfs. You are funny. But only official BHVR stats could shed some light on where the balance lies…

in Medkit nerf was the final blow for survivor role Comment by camping_site September 9, 2023

@mca240 said:
As a solo player: I do not think the nerf to medkits is the issue. Bad teammates is the problem. I make it out in 40% of my matches. That could be easily 60-70% but I get matched with people who…well…suck at the game. They might as well rebrand this name “Dead by Teammates”. If they want to improve the experience of this game, they should come up with actually SBBM. I would happily wait longer for matches.

Many inexperienced survivors won’t touch gen if injured. Instead they will waste time to find a healer so the outcome for that is in my post.

in Medkit nerf was the final blow for survivor role Comment by camping_site September 9, 2023

@radiantHero23 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3537984#Comment_3537984
That was the problematic part of med kits though. Fast self heals. You can still heal yourself with a med kit. Just not in a time that destroys any pressure the killer had.

I think there is a middle ground between 8 sec heal and 24 sec heal. Also, even before nerf kill rate was 60% and now they choose to not publish.

in Medkit nerf was the final blow for survivor role Comment by camping_site September 9, 2023

@Seraphor said:
I've been playing solo survivor just fine this whole time and didn't even realise I was playing a dead role.
Weird how the role incentive has been almost exclusively on Killer up until the release of Alien though.

I guess only BHVR official stats could help decide that. Unsurprisingly, they haven’t shared data.

in Medkit nerf was the final blow for survivor role Comment by camping_site September 9, 2023

@radiantHero23 said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/387893/medkit-nerf-was-the-final-blow-for-survivor-role
If you can't play without your 3 second global self heal in CoH I'm sorry but : no

Nowhere in my post I said survivors need 3 sec heals

in Medkit nerf was the final blow for survivor role Comment by camping_site September 9, 2023

@Zokenay said:
Ive been using Botany, Desperate and Self Care for when i want consistent reliable self healing, and it works just fine, even against Sloppy.
You could even add other perks to help boost its usage, like Empathy, Well Make it, or Bite the Bullet.
You can heal yourself reliably at a decent speed, and you become a healing machine for your team as well.
Yeah, you gotta dedicate the entire build to it, but good self healing should require that.

Unfortunately, developers have decided that as well.

in Medkit nerf was the final blow for survivor role Comment by camping_site September 9, 2023

@egg_ said:
Medkits are still the single strongest item in the game, not sure what you're on about. The ability to self heal in general is one of the strongest tools survivors have, regardless of what people say even about self care

My post was about healing nerf’s impact on survivor’s escape rate. And -yes medkits have some value but time it takes to heal makes camping/tunneling even stronger.

Self-care is as damaging to the team as No Mither.

in Medkit nerf was the final blow for survivor role Comment by camping_site September 9, 2023

@Xendritch said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3514652#Comment_3514652
Considering healing yourself fast is the strongest thing you can do to destroy killer pressure I think it's warranted.

it isn’t fast. And - no- it is bad idea. Some aura perk would be way better.

in Medkit nerf was the final blow for survivor role Comment by camping_site September 9, 2023

Well, he is not saying it is OP obviously. And it is not. Survs can’t use exhaustion perks with it which balance its power.

in Knightlight, one of the best DBD players in the world, says that MFT is op and needs a nerf Comment by camping_site August 19, 2023

Original colours are just too dark. PS without brightness adjustments on TV is unplayable.

in Filters and Equalizers are getting out of hand. Comment by camping_site August 19, 2023

1 escape out of 5-7 matches is my new normal. I noticed it got worse after medkit/boon nerf. It has huge time management impact, thus gens are not progressing, thus- 4k. Survs tried to compensate with gen perks/items, but got smcked with poop thyself and BNP nerf. Enjoy!

in Why do I die 9/10 times and still go up against really good killers? Comment by camping_site August 19, 2023

@Dream_Whisper said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3514510#Comment_3514510
Exactly. Bloodlust takes forever in chase, especially agaisnt a Survivor whom used MFT for extra distance and time wasting, while Survivor can simply stay injured or get injured pretty easily to give them Slight movement speed increase which becomes significant enough in the long run.
Also, keep in mind; Bloodlust doesn't last forever as the killer need to be in chase for more then 15 seconds, plus another 15-30 to rank up tiers. All of it can be reset or remove completely if the Killer used their power or successfully basic attack or leave chase by any means. Or by survivors actions when they stun them or force them to vault a window, especially strong ones like Haddonfield double windows loop.
So, yeah MFT is very strong passive meta perk that makes any survivors stronger in looping and distance and wasting so much of killer precious time in chase.

It is a kinda tough spot. However, that map is rather small, there are few pallets and most are semi safe/unsafe and no typical jungle gyms. More so- thinking that because of that killers don’t get value out of BL is funny.

in Please nerf Made For This, you have to have known this perk was not okay. Comment by camping_site August 19, 2023

@ThatRedPyramidThing said:
I see this being said by quite a good number of players. And I (as someone who has been playing for 6 years) want to dispel this falsehood being widely spread among the players.
Killer is not easier now than when I started.
Killers used to be able to face camp. Like actually face camp. Not what modern players call face camping today but actual true blue face camping in which the killer could stand in front of a hooked survivor and literally physically block players from unhooking. Because you could only unhook from directly in front of the hooked survivor. Unhooking from the side was a patch to combat face camping.
NOED used to have an aura, meaning you may not ever find it.
Killers could Mori after the first hook.
Borrowed Time wasn't base kit. Meaning Killers could down an unhooked survivor instantly unless the rescuer was running Borrowed Time. And Borrowed Time to was based on Terror Radius so killers like Freddy, Wraith, Pig, and Ghostface ignored Borrowed Time.
Pain Resonance worked everytime you hooked on a Scourge Hook not just the first time. It also revealed any survivors on the generator.
Ruin slowed down generator repairs.
Nerfed Ruin regressed faster.
Undying worked more than once.
Pop Goes to the Weasel did a flat 25% not a scaling percentage.
Eruption caused incapacitated.
Survivors now have the ability to spam endurance.
Survivors now have perks that speed up gens.
Survivors now have multiple perks to move faster.
Vaults are stronger than they've ever been.
Windows of Opportunity literally plays the game for you but pathing for you.
Killer is not easier now than ever. Killer is in one of the weakest it's been.
Survivors just don't try anymore. Just please watch your hud and see how little your team does. Watch how often there are no generator icons. Survivors only think killer is stronger because only strong killer players still play killer. Weaker and average killers quit the game or became survivor mains.
I'll will die on the hill that survivors lose because of their teammates way more than the killers skill.
I know I'm about to be bombarded with hate. But it's true. We all know it's true if you played killer back then you know it was easier then.

Should obviously tendentious trivia make community believe that kill rate going up has to do with something else other than killers are stronger thus easier?

in Do You Really Believe Killer is the Easiest It's Ever Been? Comment by camping_site August 19, 2023

M1 killers require good strategy and skill in the meantime don’t guarantee 4k. Consider it hard mode.

in How you can buff m1 killers without buffing m2 killers? Comment by camping_site August 19, 2023

@MikaelaWantsYourBoon said:
Devs are Blights mains?
Someone on management team loves Blight?
His costumes are selling crazy good , so he is moneymaker?
We all are wrong about him, he is weak killer?
Devs don't want to piss off Blight mains?
Nerfing Pig is more important then nerfing Blight?
Ok, that's all i can think. What you guys think? Why Blight is always ignored when it comes to nerf killers? It's fine to nerf killers like Billy, Freddy, Slinger even poor pet Demo. But why when it comes to nerf Blight, devs are afk'ing.

He is fine. Actually he is the last killer which is strong and obeys basic gameplay rules (ok, maybe wesker as well, but he has too much passive game slowdown value). Only problem is ridiculous wall hug and iri add ons.

in What is the reason to not nerf Blight? Comment by camping_site August 17, 2023

@BlueRose said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3514523#Comment_3514523
Calling BL handholding is a joke. BL1 is just there for map design since there are still maps where BL1 is needed mostly around main buildings with broken windows and lerys with all windows that can be chained together. As for BL2 and BL3 if a killer is depending on these to get downs most likely there going to lose anyway since we talking about 25 to 35 secs in a chase with one survivor while the other three can use all that time to work on gens. Personally, I want BL2 and 3 gone not bc it's handholding, no for the opposite. It keeps killers learning the most important lesson and that is when to know to drop chase and find someone else. BL2 and 3 are weight down on killers since 9 our 10s if you spend that much time in one single chase you going to lose. Yeah, you may get one kill but the other 3 survivors are going to finish gens and leave. So no BL is not handholding stop calling it that. It's there bc these devs make maps WAY too safe for survivors and need some mech to make sure the killer can deal with the broken loops and chain of loops that are in the game. I say one more time BL 2 and 3 isnt needed in dbd but BL1 is needed so I say get rid of tier 2 and 3.

Oh longer chases, it can easly be remedied with proxy camp and tunnel, dead lock, pain res, corrupt etc. Killers are constantly bloodlusting unsafe/semi safe pallets. I do actually play this game, so this ethical, fair killers fairytale is not working on me.

in Please nerf Made For This, you have to have known this perk was not okay. Comment by camping_site August 14, 2023

@Batusalen said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3514523#Comment_3514523
Oh yes, the hand holding Bloodlust! That thing that I mostly forgot it exist until I get it and that don't serve me any purpose even if I'm not playing a killer with strong chase or antiloop power (as if that was the case it would be more beneficial for me to just use my power than try to make something of it) because the survivor I'm chasing has WoO, is a good looper or both and has decided to take me to a tour around every single pallet on the map.
Not like all the not-hand holding and totally balanced perks that transform survivors in bulletproof Sonic the Hedgehogs that don't even need to learn where the pallets and windows spawn, or all those mechanics implemented in the game for reasons like survivors don't understanding why they are getting tunneled when other survivor just unhooked him 2 meters away from the killer.
No, no, NO! Those are totally fine, the real problem of the game is Bloodlust. BHVR should totally nerf Bloodlust, too OP and makes killer have an obvious and unfair advantage in chase!...
BTW, did you know that they implemented Bloodlust as a fix for survivors abusing infinite loops? Crazy, right? When have survivors abuse game mechanics and have an advantage in this game? BHVR is so killer sided, I tell you.

Well, this rant is difficult to follow. However, in your case it is better devs keep Mft as is because otherwise what else killers with no particular skill will blame for their undoing.

in Please nerf Made For This, you have to have known this perk was not okay. Comment by camping_site August 14, 2023

@WorthlessBeing said:
https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/discussion/comment/3514508#Comment_3514508
It's not funny, it's efficient. You get to do totems, potentially killing a NOED or DH before it gets to fly, it takes 8 seconds in a locker to get fully healed which is nothing, and you can get a total of 5 charges at best while training your map awareness about totem placement.

Finding and cleansing totems takes 14 sec+travel+ locker time. In total it can be up to a minute. Perks that eat up most valuable asset - time on a gen are silent killers.

This post wasn’t about survivors can’t self heal. But in current match dynamic the time ir requires does awful things to survivors.